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Estate Auction in Greenville OH 4/29 Six Pack 4 Speed Bird - VIN is RM23V0A166165

Started by 1970Moparmann, April 26, 2023, 11:31:29 AM

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held1823

VIN is RM23V0A166165

Located an hour from me

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Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

held1823

Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

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Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

WINGIN IT

Wow! My dream Superbird. Blue/white, 440+6 console 4spd. Ck out leaded nose. Will make a great resto project for someone. Hope it goes to a good home.

A383Wing

Quote from: WINGIN IT on April 26, 2023, 03:21:19 PMWow! My dream Superbird. Blue/white, 440+6 console 4spd. Ck out leaded nose. Will make a great resto project for someone. Hope it goes to a good home.

I must be looking at a different car....I don't see a console

WINGIN IT

Quote from: A383Wing on April 26, 2023, 04:53:13 PM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on April 26, 2023, 03:21:19 PMWow! My dream Superbird. Blue/white, 440+6 console 4spd. Ck out leaded nose. Will make a great resto project for someone. Hope it goes to a good home.

I must be looking at a different car....I don't see a console

It's on the fender tag . ;)

Impkidd

Would be interesting for someone going to post a video clip of the car and auction bidding taking place... Like to have had one of my car at auction.

Birdflu

So...what are you guys thinking???  Hammers for $125-$150K??? Seems like a lot, but with restored V-code Bird's selling north of $250?? Not saying I'd pay it, but what is the consensus in the room?  :scratchchin:

held1823

The original poster should edit the subject line to insert the VIN to help with future searching

I headed over to see the car today. Lots of interest in the room but almost certainly more dreamers than money men while I was there. The car has good bones. Great color combo with the ideal engine, transmission, and buckets. I'd get it running, clean it up, and drive it like it is. Let whoever buys it from my estate later on worry about restoring it.

The selling location and lack of promotion will cost the estate an easy 20k. I predict a sell in the mid 130's, whereas it would bring 150k at a more suitable sale. I only hope that it goes to an enthusiast and not a flipper.

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Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

held1823

Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

held1823

Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

held1823

Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

held1823

Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

1970Moparmann

VIN is added.  Car is a lot more crusty than what the original pictures show.
My name is Mike and I'm a Moparholic!

WINGIN IT

Well keep us posted on the hammer price!  Goes off today correct?
I agree with other's assessment's and price range ~$130K - but who knows, prices have been crazy lately.

hemi-hampton


1970Moparmann

My name is Mike and I'm a Moparholic!


Birdflu

Wow! Great for the estate. She was rougher underneath than I would have expected as well. Thanks for posting the pics Ernie!

wish4hemi

This car seemed to have a number of oddities given the low mileage. Well done for the seller and, regardless of condition or comments, they ain't making Six Barrel Superbirds anymore.
The engine pad was a strange one with an FT413 stamping instead of the expected F440. It was also missing the HP designation. However, the VIN on near the oil pan did match the VIN of the car?
The transmission was numbers matching with a proper 3027 date code.
No VIN found on the core support (maybe it was there and difficult to find). There was a matching VIN on the trunk rail.
One fender seemed to be a '70 Coronet fender while the other was an original Superbird piece.
The intake manifold provided was aluminum rather than cast iron.
I don't believe the carbs were original.
I think the jacks were to be included, although I didn't see them to confirm correctness.
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WINGIN IT

Wow, a lot more than I expected, especially not being one of the major auction houses. Crazy times! Best of luck to new owner! Maybe we'll get to see resto progress here ;)

Redbird

What a great car as originally equipped.

I think the winner of the auction was whoever came in at 2nd place with their bid. Unbelievable amount of work needed there. I can't read the rail engine serial # on the pictures, so I don't understand if it is #s matching. From the pad on the top it seems to me to be a 413?

Mopar John

There are a lot of questions about the engine for sure!
The first would be why is it all apart?
I also thought that it was possibly a 413 because of the numbers on the pad.
But it looks like a 2536430 casting which is a 440 block.
A 413 block would have a 2205697 or 2468030 casting number.
It also looks like a 08 . 15 . 69 casting date that makes sense.
So I think that maybe this engine had gone through some machine shop
and they stamped some information on there relative to a rebuild?
The pad also shows a 11 10 assembly date so that lines up with the build date.
Hopefully the buyer will get some information from the family!
MJ

Aero426

Anyone catch the obit that the car owner, his wife and son all passed from covid complications over a two week stretch?  Wow. 

WINGIN IT

Quote from: Aero426 on May 03, 2023, 12:05:32 AMAnyone catch the obit that the car owner, his wife and son all passed from covid complications over a two week stretch?  Wow. 

Just found out about that- so sad.
At least the surviving family members benefited from the auction. Obviously not going to bring their beloved family members back, but can at least provide some financial support.

Redbird

I'm not all that knowledgeable regarding Chrysler industrial engines. Though I do have a 1972 model year brochure, 9-71 date. If F would be for 1970 like on Superbirds, correspondingly would H be for 1972?

Anyway some attached pictures of the 1972 brochure. Somebody like 440source would probably be a good source for decoding the block on this car.IMG_0432a.jpg

Redbird


metallicareload99

Quote from: wish4hemi on April 29, 2023, 04:41:14 PMThis car seemed to have a number of oddities given the low mileage. Well done for the seller and, regardless of condition or comments, they ain't making Six Barrel Superbirds anymore.
The engine pad was a strange one with an FT413 stamping instead of the expected F440. It was also missing the HP designation. However, the VIN on near the oil pan did match the VIN of the car?
The transmission was numbers matching with a proper 3027 date code.
No VIN found on the core support (maybe it was there and difficult to find). There was a matching VIN on the trunk rail.
One fender seemed to be a '70 Coronet fender while the other was an original Superbird piece.
The intake manifold provided was aluminum rather than cast iron.
I don't believe the carbs were original.
I think the jacks were to be included, although I didn't see them to confirm correctness.
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Factory six pack pistons were cast aluminum? And did they have "eyebrows" like that? Those look like forged TRW's/SpeedPro L2355F :shruggy: I like the valve covers
1968, When Dinosaurs Ruled The Earth

pettybird

Lots of Superbirds came without core support stamps.  Neither of mine have one, and one is original paint while I personally sandblasted the original paint off of the other.  My cars are mid November builds so it's not an early/late thing. 

426HemiChick

Hi Folks,          17 July 2023

Looks like a major project. Hope the buyer has the $$$, time and expertise to get it looking like it did when new.

The comment about the rust in another post is easy to explain: OHIO. Lived there too many years, saw cars virtually disappear in three or less (too rotted to repair); the Chevy Vega was a prime example.

Best of luck to the buyer; hope you surprise everyone with a top notch restoration.

Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Veteran - US Navy  Ex-Smoker (05 Mar 69) 55 years, heading for 100, 45 to go. Still lots to learn, lots to make up for. Weren't no angel. Fugitive from Southlake TX's Kangaroo Court

cudavic

What ceases to amaze me is the herd mentality of people bidding at some of these auctions.
I myself cannot believe that this partially disassembled and very rough car made it to $203K.
While just yesterday the following car https://www.hemmings.com/auction/1970-plymouth-superbird-albuquerque-nm-605138 stalled out at $173K at the end of the auction.
The reserve was set at $264K and as of this morning the ask price has been lowered to $225K with a current offer standing at $195K. They are basically the same cars with the exception of a pretty much fully restored counsel car vs. an unrestored disassembled non-counsel car.  :shruggy:
I believe the collector car market is overdue for a correction, however this IMO simply makes no sense that this car sold for $203K while the one I just posted RM23V0A167948 is currently sits at $195K not even four months later.
I can only sum it up as in person auction hype surrounding the Greenville, Ohio event.

WINGIN IT

Don't disagree with you Vic. Get lots of big egos in one place, and things tend to get heated.
That NM one was nice, was following as well. Certainly not a concourse resto, but I think it's priced pretty high for what it is. But what do I know, prices are all over the place, and the only results the public gets to see are those sold at auction, unfortunately.