What is Missing From this Daytona?

[Annie]

Just looking through Fall 2006 Hotrod Archive Series. Something is missing. Do you know what it is?

[Brock Samson]

the emblem in the back?.

[nascarxx29]

The emblem is there bad picture angle.What we seem to see obviously missing is the hood pin cables.None what so ever can be seen .The hood pin bezel there and hood pin but no cables of any type.That are secured to the hood pin bezel are there

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

just got that mag as well as this months hemming muscle, there isa sweet black r/t stripe delete 69 in it -MATT

[tan top]

What we seem to see obviously missing is the hood pin cables.None what so ever can be seen .The hood pin bezel there and hood pin but no cables of any type.That are secured to the hood pin bezel are there

                   good spot    i never noticed    that      been studding the pictures for 10  minutes  

[Shakey]

I'm sure the cotter pin will suffice.   

[Aero426]

That old photo looks like it's the same photo shoot as the one in Auto Driver, or Auto Topics, just shot from the other side.  I recognize the white stripe down the road.  Anyone have a copy of that to post?

[69_500]

Over the years I've noticed a few Daytona's that were without the cables. Then again you also see those who attach their cables to the wrong spots too.

[Charger_Fan]

It's missing ME behind the wheel.

[nascarxx29]

Is this that autodriver magazine your refering to Doug

[hemigeno]

Doug,  What a memory!   

Gotta be the same car - the license plate number is the same, and it has the G31 Passenger's Rear View Mirror (not a real common option).  Can't see the picture well enough to know about the hood pin cables, but it is definitely the same car.

Thanks for digging up and posting that cover, Dave...

[nascarxx29]

Thank Hemi Geno Its in my magazine collection.Another oddity I have this road test 1969 magazine with a new 69 daytona in it has a lime green duster on the cover pictured below .Shows a underhood shot of engine compartment with the latchtray shown in same picture. I recall it shows the daytona with a 22 inch radiiator

[tan top]

yeah i remember that article  on that daytona with the 22" radiator , it was F5 i think with a white stripe .  different looking brake booster also , if i remember correctly

[nascarxx29]

 I think you right Tan Top.I like to study these archive underhood pictures.You see some odditys.I got another retro magazine picture of underhood 6 pack charger.And another magazine challenger underhood showing odd tag and writings on booster

[nascarxx29]

Found the bendix booster decal saying bendix on it behind the master cylinder.Not to be confused with the found alum tag on the mounting bolt or cap hold down. And dates in writings on this e body something you dont see on a regular basis.Battery is written on .And the metal bracket on valve cover near batt cable? brake booster remarks 11-5-69

[tan top]

thats definitely  unusual  & date being hand written on the  booster  . yeah i agree (nascarxx29)  intresting stuff looking at old original road test pictures / press release pitcures ,  who knows what Chrysler  got up to  , there has been a few oddities like that , one that springs to mine  is  the first built  hemi cuda convertable  auto , built with out  the separate trans cooler .   going back to the 22" radiator daytona ,  i wonder if it still exists ,  vin # ? , it might of even been converted to 26 " sometime after it was sold 

[nascarxx29]

Good ? I rememeber the other cars in the background had La Hambra dodge license plate frames on them.Where that car is today who knows,I got cars mag green daytona with power windows in a road test .Not sure whos car they used for that shoot

[hemigeno]

I recall it shows the daytona with a 22 inch radiiator

Just had this conversation with Danny (69500) last night.  I wasn't sure if there was actually any Daytonas built with the 22" rad, but apparently there was at least one.  All of the cars I have in my database with fender tag info have 26" on the tag, but I only have less than a hundred tags so far.

I dug around and found some paperwork related to this subject, which stated that it was "recommended" that the A32 (4.10 Dana) or A36 (3.55 8-3/4") axle packages be added for automatic cars.  Based on other research we've done on this site, selection of either of those axle packages on 440 cars with an automatic trans (also if a 4-speed trans was spec'd) would have mandated the use of a 26" radiator.  I have seen nothing that required the installation of the Maximum Cooling or Medium Cooling packages on the Daytonas, even though the earliest paperwork I have identified the cooling system as one of the two major concerns they had when developing the car's design.

The likelihood is, then, that a non-axle package 440/727 car would have been built at Hamtramck with a 22" radiator core support.  There might be more than just one of them around, as the axle package was only "recommended".  Superbirds, on the other hand, were required to have a 3.55 or numerically higher gearing and as such would have had the 26" radiator.

If the owner of that F5 car changed the core support out to a 26" assuming it was not correct, it would be a shame.  That would be a unique car, even if you'd run the risk of overheating at every stoplight...   

[hemi68charger]

I recall it shows the daytona with a 22 inch radiiator

Just had this conversation with Danny (69500) last night.  I wasn't sure if there was actually any Daytonas built with the 22" rad, but apparently there was at least one.  All of the cars I have in my database with fender tag info have 26" on the tag, but I only have less than a hundred tags so far.

I dug around and found some paperwork related to this subject, which stated that it was "recommended" that the A32 (4.10 Dana) or A36 (3.55 8-3/4") axle packages be added for automatic cars.  Based on other research we've done on this site, selection of either of those axle packages on 440 cars with an automatic trans (also if a 4-speed trans was spec'd) would have mandated the use of a 26" radiator.  I have seen nothing that required the installation of the Maximum Cooling or Medium Cooling packages on the Daytonas, even though the earliest paperwork I have identified the cooling system as one of the two major concerns they had when developing the car's design.

The likelihood is, then, that a non-axle package 440/727 car would have been built at Hamtramck with a 22" radiator core support.  There might be more than just one of them around, as the axle package was only "recommended".  Superbirds, on the other hand, were required to have a 3.55 or numerically higher gearing and as such would have had the 26" radiator.

If the owner of that F5 car changed the core support out to a 26" assuming it was not correct, it would be a shame.  That would be a unique car, even if you'd run the risk of overheating at every stoplight...   

Very interesting read.... I would have assumed that all Daytonas would have required a 26" for cooling purposes.......... That's cool to know 22's are a possibility...

Troy

[nascarxx29]

Its one of this chryslers things I guess .like we assume the Jan 70 motor trend car Dan Gurney sitting on a superbird wing.Turns out he was cut and pasted from this daytona

[69_500]

I'd love to find out how many of the 500's actually had 22" radiators in them. So far I've only run accross a few.

[tan top]

Good ? I rememeber the other cars in the background had La Hambra dodge license plate frames on them.Where that car is today who knows,I got cars mag green daytona with power windows in a road test .Not sure whos car they used for that shoot

 
                          just a thought , isn't there a list of dealers that  daytona's were shipped to ?  i wonder if it shows  that dodge dealer ,
                      unusual  that  the 22" radiator  daytona & the playboy daytona  was originally missing the fender scoops  are both the same color

[nascarxx29]

Yes there is a list of daytona shipments.Which contains job number vin number dealer name and dealer number and location.but dealers traded cars with other dealers in some cases

[69_500]

Quite a few of them traded cars here in Indiana that I'm aware of anyways.

[PocketThunder]

I'd love to find out how many of the 500's actually had 22" radiators in them. So far I've only run accross a few.

put me down for one 

[tan top]

Yes there is a list of daytona shipments.Which contains job number vin number dealer name and dealer number and location.but dealers traded cars with other dealers in some cases

                  yeah  i guess that  , & i have read about a a few that traded dealer to dealer  ,  its never that easy   is it          still could be worth a look 

[hemigeno]

Yes there is a list of daytona shipments.Which contains job number vin number dealer name and dealer number and location.but dealers traded cars with other dealers in some cases

                  yeah  i guess that  , & i have read about a a few that traded dealer to dealer  ,  its never be that easy   is it          still could be worth a look 

Here is a cut-and-paste from my shipping list spreadsheet for all the Daytonas shipped to dealerships beginning with "L".  No La Hambra as you can see...

XX29   L   9B   386553   W   L & B Dodge   Robesonia   PA
XX29   L   9B   402960   W   Lafayette Dodge   Lafayette   IN
XX29   L   9B   400609   W   Lake Avenue Dodge   Syracuse   NY
XX29   L   9B   356516   W   Lake Avenue Dodge   Syracuse   NY
XX29   L   9B   414657   W   Lakehead Motors   Port Arthur   Ont.
XX29   L   9B   402973   W   Las Vegas Dodge   Las Vegas   NV
XX29   L   9B   405188   W   Lathans Dodge   Watertown   NY
XX29   L   9B   405180   W   Laurel Dodge   Laurel   MD
XX29   L   9B   355137   W   Lawrence Motor    Richmond   VA
XX29   L   9B   414664   W   Lawson Oates   Vancouver   B.C.
XX29   L   9B   400572   W   Lefevere Motor Company   Brookings   SD
XX29   L   9B   379739   W   Lehigh Valley Dodge   Allentown   PA
XX29   L   9B   379740   W   Lehigh Valley Dodge   Allentown   PA
XX29   L   9B   400582   W   Lehigh Valley Dodge   Allentown   PA
XX29   L   9B   400583   W   Lenox Dodge   Atlanta   GA
XX29   L   9B   355110   W   Lenox Dodge   Atlanta   GA
XX29   L   9B   417455   W   Lenox Dodge   Atlanta   GA
XX29   L   9B   434780   W   Lenox Dodge   Atlanta   GA
XX29   L   9B   402975   W   Lewiston Dodge   Lewiston   ID
XX29   L   9B   398855   W   Liberty Motors   Birmingham   AL
XX29   J   9B   400608   H   Lloyd Bridges Dodge   Walled Lake   MI
XX29   L   9B   355123   W   Loll's Auto & Imports   Wahpeton   ND
XX29   L   9B   379746   W   Louis Brock Dodge   E. St. Louis   IL
XX29   L   9B   355124   W   Louis Brock Dodge   E. St. Louis   IL
XX29   L   9B   414645   W   Lucerne Auto   Candiac   Que.

[nascarxx29]

.The  22 inch radiator in a new daytona as seen in road test magazine

[hemigeno]

The  22 inch radiator in a new daytona as seen in road test magazine

With 3.23 gears, that might explain why they got 11.3mpg - including their dragstrip testing sessions!   

Wonder if Chrysler knew they were going to do a mileage test and gave them a (comparatively) gas-miser car to play with...

[tan top]

even with the list  --  could not be that easy  could it,   another thought , the auto magazines that done these tests , might of had a copy of the vins on the cars they were testing for insurance purposes ,   yeah ( hemigeno )  would not  be surprised  if that is why Chrysler let them use  the  tamest   440 packaged daytona they had  ,  i would of done the same if i was Chrysler , because its the last thing i would of wanted , claiming the new slippery shape will give better fuel as wall as performance ,   had they given  the road test magazine  a 440 or hemi  with  a super track pack  , the milage would of been   single digit .

[69_500]

Anyone else notice that they list a 440-6 as an engine option? Its in the text under the engine photo.

[tan top]

Anyone else notice that they list a 440-6 as an engine option? Its in the text under the engine photo.

               yeah   i saw that  ,  may be Chrysler  was  making  the six pack a dealer installed option , as there has been one documented .   i think - just hypothetically,  as i don't have the last  build   date of daytona to hand , not being factory installed may be all the daytonas were assembled before  the announcement of the 440 six pack  and the  A12 cars.  the  early customers ordering a daytona didn't know it was available ,   like i say guys  just a thought
                                          that road test of the 22" radiator daytona was in a December 69 magazine  , bit late  may be it was  a 440 six pack for the 70 daytona it had been built .  did'nt, the documented ( i think it is 3 ) 70 charger r/t's with  a option of a daytona  package just the  ( wing & nose)  have six packs .     

[FastbackJon]

Here is a cut-and-paste from my shipping list spreadsheet for all the Daytonas shipped to dealerships beginning with "L".  No La Hambra as you can see...

XX29   L   9B   386553   W   L & B Dodge   Robesonia   PA
XX29   L   9B   402960   W   Lafayette Dodge   Lafayette   IN
XX29   L   9B   400609   W   Lake Avenue Dodge   Syracuse   NY
XX29   L   9B   356516   W   Lake Avenue Dodge   Syracuse   NY
XX29   L   9B   414657   W   Lakehead Motors   Port Arthur   Ont.
XX29   L   9B   402973   W   Las Vegas Dodge   Las Vegas   NV
XX29   L   9B   405188   W   Lathans Dodge   Watertown   NY
XX29   L   9B   405180   W   Laurel Dodge   Laurel   MD
XX29   L   9B   355137   W   Lawrence Motor    Richmond   VA
XX29   L   9B   414664   W   Lawson Oates   Vancouver   B.C.
XX29   L   9B   400572   W   Lefevere Motor Company   Brookings   SD
XX29   L   9B   379739   W   Lehigh Valley Dodge   Allentown   PA
XX29   L   9B   379740   W   Lehigh Valley Dodge   Allentown   PA
XX29   L   9B   400582   W   Lehigh Valley Dodge   Allentown   PA
XX29   L   9B   400583   W   Lenox Dodge   Atlanta   GA
XX29   L   9B   355110   W   Lenox Dodge   Atlanta   GA
XX29   L   9B   417455   W   Lenox Dodge   Atlanta   GA
XX29   L   9B   434780   W   Lenox Dodge   Atlanta   GA
XX29   L   9B   402975   W   Lewiston Dodge   Lewiston   ID
XX29   L   9B   398855   W   Liberty Motors   Birmingham   AL
XX29   J   9B   400608   H   Lloyd Bridges Dodge   Walled Lake   MI
XX29   L   9B   355123   W   Loll's Auto & Imports   Wahpeton   ND
XX29   L   9B   379746   W   Louis Brock Dodge   E. St. Louis   IL
XX29   L   9B   355124   W   Louis Brock Dodge   E. St. Louis   IL
XX29   L   9B   414645   W   Lucerne Auto   Candiac   Que.

My dad said he was looking at and even started up a nearly brand new '69 Daytona in the Dodge showroom in Spokane. Would have been around 1970. He said the car came up from Lewiston because it didn't sell there. Unfortunatly he didn't buy it... I'm wondering if anyone has any more info on this car? I think he said it was Tor-Red with a tan interior.

[69_500]

Red with a tan interior? Would have been a nice looking car in my opinion.

I don't recall too many Daytona's with the T3 interior, it would definately stand out.

[nascarxx29]

Thats a rare combo  red and tan interior.I seen carl swansons car gold with green interior

[69_500]

Gold with green interior? I know of a 500 that is Yellow with a green interior, as well as a Silver car with Blue interior. both odd combo's if you ask me.

Back to the tan interior car. Would be a great looking ride.

[nascarxx29]

That was one of the odd combinations in a daytona .Ive seen gold car green interior