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Author Topic: Restoration of my B5 Blue 4Spd Charger 500... a long saga begins...  (Read 44754 times)
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« Reply #1020 on: October 22, 2009, 08:39:10 AM »

LOOKING GREAT BUDDY. kEEP THEM PICTURES COMING.  cheers

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« Reply #1021 on: October 22, 2009, 09:35:40 AM »

looking good  coolgleamA  keep the pictures coming , love looking at stuff  like this  2thumbs
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« Reply #1022 on: October 22, 2009, 12:15:26 PM »

Looks good  2thumbs
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« Reply #1023 on: October 22, 2009, 07:45:39 PM »

Keep it up Allen. She's looking real good coming along nicely.  2thumbs  Glad to hear things are going better. Get her put together I'm ready for a ride.  boogie
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« Reply #1024 on: October 22, 2009, 08:44:07 PM »

Sorry to hear about your wheelhouse woes.
I see time has done nothing to improve the quality of the Goodmark product.
Several years ago, I faced a similar circumstance. I restored a friend's 1970 Roadrunner convertible. There were hardtop wheelhouses on the market, but none for convertibles. So I modified a pair of hardtop parts for the 'vert. Not too bad. The quarters fit the contours of the wheelhouse perfectly. I was satisfied.

Two years later, I bought quarters and wheelhouses for my Charger.Thus began the exercise into frustration and futility!
The wheelhouse had a flange at the top, with a fairly accurate locating hole for reference. OK.
After I installed the left wheelhouse, I found that it was 1/2-1 inch wider at the rocker panel than stock. In fact, the quarter panel at the rocker seam actually projected out and away from the rocker flange. I was forced to "pie-cut" the wheelhouse to pull it in. Then, after all that....the contour of the wheelhouse opening wouldn't fit the wheel opening on the quarter panel! The factory chrome trim fit the wheel opening perfectly, so obviously the problem was with the wheelhouse.
Many hours of labour, cutting, bending, welding...and I made it fit.
Not long afterwards, I read a similar story in a Mopar magazine.
Even now, years later, I'm still torqued about it. So much so, I may cut those quarters off just to remove those wheelhouses, and replace them with a better set!
I'd hoped for your sake that issues in build quality with those wheelhouses would be resolved by now.
Obviously, they're not.

i've ran into that same problem many many times.
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« Reply #1025 on: October 22, 2009, 08:55:17 PM »

Besides magnumchargers story, The website 69hemi.com also shows the difficulty of the mopar repro sheetmetal.  It is very frustrating when my buddy buys his cheap chevy parts and they fit like a glove whereas our expensive mopar "authentic" stuff requires 30 hrs of body shop modifications to make them fit! Like magnum I thought that these oversights were ironed out by now, obviously not!

Thanks for the tip about the outer wheel house problem documented on 69Hemi.Com... it the exact same #$%@#! crap!  It is starting to look like the currently available outer wheel housings are all from the same tooling, and probably based on Coronet parts which are apparently different.

I am going to find out the truth about these "authentic reproductions"... this isn't close to being over!

Pictures below are from http://www.69hemi.com (in the "sheetmetal" section):

Allen







Yes, that article is all true, but it seems like they dont even fit the Coronets to good either. If you look in the Sherman Catalog you'll see they use the same part # on those wheel wells for all B-Body's, A one size fits all Garbage. LEON.
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« Reply #1026 on: October 22, 2009, 10:36:52 PM »

Long thread, just read it now. I dont usually look in the Aero Section. Good luck on your Progress 2thumbs  LEON.
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« Reply #1027 on: October 23, 2009, 06:07:46 AM »

LOOKING GREAT BUDDY. kEEP THEM PICTURES COMING.  cheers

Cody

looking good  coolgleamA  keep the pictures coming , love looking at stuff  like this  2thumbs

Looks good  2thumbs

Thanks guys... glad to have y'all following the thread!

Allen
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« Reply #1028 on: October 23, 2009, 06:15:18 AM »

i've ran into that same problem many many times.

Yes, that article is all true, but it seems like they dont even fit the Coronets to good either. If you look in the Sherman Catalog you'll see they use the same part # on those wheel wells for all B-Body's, A one size fits all Garbage. LEON.

I will NEVER buy anything from Goodmark or the other bottom-feeder vendors again...   flame  flame  flame

It is great to finally have excellent quality repro parts from vendors like B/E&A, AMD, & CBD...  cheers  cheers  cheers
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« Reply #1029 on: October 23, 2009, 06:19:12 AM »

Keep it up Allen. She's looking real good coming along nicely.  2thumbs  Glad to hear things are going better. Get her put together I'm ready for a ride.  boogie

Thanks Dave... Since you recently re-qualified at Geno's Hemi 4 Speed Clinic, you can drive Blue Thunder!    drive  icon_smile_big
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« Reply #1030 on: October 23, 2009, 06:27:41 AM »

Long thread, just read it now. I dont usually look in the Aero Section. Good luck on your Progress 2thumbs  LEON.

Welcome to the thread Leon!  cheers

From the time stamps of your postings, that's about two hours of your life you'll never get back... sorry for the length...  Tongue

Check back in a few days, your input on my pre-paint inventories/checklist would be appreciated!

Allen
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« Reply #1031 on: October 23, 2009, 08:28:06 PM »

Hi Allen,
Glad to here things have turned around for you. Your car is looking great and you've made a lot of progress, I'm looking forward to more pictures. Also thanks for posting the link to the group buy on the recall wheels. I'll be ordering a set for my Road Runner.
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« Reply #1032 on: October 25, 2009, 08:54:50 AM »

Hi Allen,
Glad to here things have turned around for you. Your car is looking great and you've made a lot of progress, I'm looking forward to more pictures. Also thanks for posting the link to the group buy on the recall wheels. I'll be ordering a set for my Road Runner.
Brian

Thanks Brian, I am a bit surprised in the interest in the forum for the recall wheels... $1500/$1575 is a good deal IMO!

Allen
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« Reply #1033 on: October 25, 2009, 09:47:07 AM »

It is taking me longer than I expected to  find , resize, and label the "inventory" pictures.  The task may take me another week or so to complete.  My electrician and another friend came over yesterday to do more wiring and shelving in my "new" shop annex, so good progress was made!  cheers

Today I will post pictures of the areas of my main concern for missing brackets and wiring retainer straps.  All of these should be common to any 1969 Charger, so please have a look in yours if you have one where these areas are accessable.  This area is the taillight panel and trunk area...  I am only listing items that are likely to have been removed during the extensive body work in the area.  The pictures are from the C500 disassembly and my Y2 Charger R/T project car...

TAILLIGHT PANEL & TRUNK AREA:

TB1,TB2,TB3 - Exterior taillight panel three prong wiring retainers
TB4,TB5,TB6,TB7 - Interior taillight panel single tab wiring retaining straps
TB8 - Aft bumper jack mount
TB9,TB11,TB12 - Dual tab wiring retaining straps in wiring channel formed into trunk floor extension
TB10 - Bumper spring mounting bracket
TB13,TB14,TB18 - Single tab wiring retaining straps along wheel housing
TB15,TB16,TB17 - Spare tire mounting brackets/standoffs
TB19 - Fwd bumper jack mounting cradle


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« Reply #1034 on: October 25, 2009, 09:51:22 AM »

TAILLIGHT PANEL & TRUNK AREA:

TB1,TB2,TB3 - Exterior taillight panel three prong wiring retainers
TB4,TB5,TB6,TB7 - Interior taillight panel single tab wiring retaining straps
TB8 - Aft bumper jack mount
TB9,TB11,TB12 - Dual tab wiring retaining straps in wiring channel formed into trunk floor extension
TB10 - Bumper spring mounting bracket
TB13,TB14,TB18 - Single tab wiring retaining straps along wheel housing
TB15,TB16,TB17 - Spare tire mounting brackets/standoffs
TB19 - Fwd bumper jack mounting cradle


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« Reply #1035 on: October 25, 2009, 09:56:02 AM »

A few more trunk area pics...

TAILLIGHT PANEL & TRUNK AREA:

TB1,TB2,TB3 - Exterior taillight panel three prong wiring retainers
TB4,TB5,TB6,TB7 - Interior taillight panel single tab wiring retaining straps
TB8 - Aft bumper jack mount
TB9,TB11,TB12 - Dual tab wiring retaining straps in wiring channel formed into trunk floor extension
TB10 - Bumper spring mounting bracket
TB13,TB14,TB18 - Single tab wiring retaining straps along wheel housing
TB15,TB16,TB17 - Spare tire mounting brackets/standoffs
TB19 - Fwd bumper jack mounting cradle


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« Reply #1036 on: October 25, 2009, 10:03:05 AM »

Allen Allen Allen........ She is looking straight as an arrow.....  2thumbs

I second the notion Allen, great job. Your determination is really paying off. I do think she would look great next to this green 4-speed C500 in Michigan. I actually think there is enough room for them to sit comfortably and enjoy each others company.

Take care,
Steve


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« Reply #1037 on: October 25, 2009, 10:43:53 AM »

Allen Allen Allen........ She is looking straight as an arrow.....  2thumbs

I second the notion Allen, great job. Your determination is really paying off. I do think she would look great next to this green 4-speed C500 in Michigan. I actually think there is enough room for them to sit comfortably and enjoy each others company.

Take care,
Steve

Thanks Steve... but I have no plans to buy your C500 and move to Michigan...  nana   icon_smile_wink

I do like your car tho...  yesnod

Allen
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« Reply #1038 on: October 25, 2009, 11:31:41 AM »

Allen Allen Allen........ She is looking straight as an arrow.....  2thumbs

I second the notion Allen, great job. Your determination is really paying off. I do think she would look great next to this green 4-speed C500 in Michigan. I actually think there is enough room for them to sit comfortably and enjoy each others company.

Take care,
Steve

Thanks Steve... but I have no plans to buy your C500 and move to Michigan...  nana   icon_smile_wink

I do like your car tho...  yesnod

Allen

Good comeback Allen, although the fall colors are looking very nice this time of year.

Did you notice the nice cozy carpet in the "man cave".

Thanks,

Another pic showing the front, still have some more work cleaning and decorating to make it the way it should be in there.



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« Reply #1039 on: October 25, 2009, 11:49:09 AM »

Good comeback Allen, although the fall colors are looking very nice this time of year.

Did you notice the nice cozy carpet in the "man cave".

Thanks,

Another pic showing the front, still have some more work cleaning and decorating to make it the way it should be in there.

Your "man cave" looks great Steve... much more comfy than mine.

Its the Winter colors in Dec thru Feb that I might have a problem with...  icon_smile_big
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