Winged Warriors Nation NATION MEET next year 2009 richmond virginia UPDATED

[PocketThunder]

Now I wonder if I should just cancel my reservation.  Leave the four speed hemi home, and just go feed mosquitos on the Norwegian Riviera.  Plenty of other car shows where they welcome car enthusiasts.  This is a side of the Winged Warriors I've never seen before.

NO NO NO wing warriors welcomes everyone.  That was just danny's personal opinion, Please come out .  Everyone is welcome you dont even have to bring a car , or even have a car. COME ON OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bring the hemi PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

   stuart

Danny just has the January blues..  Lee, i'll race you up 35 with my hillside hemi.... i'll make up ground when you have to stop at every gas station....

[hemigeno]

Now I wonder if I should just cancel my reservation. Leave the four speed hemi home, and just go feed mosquitos on the Norwegian Riviera. Plenty of other car shows where they welcome car enthusiasts. This is a side of the Winged Warriors I've never seen before.

Lee,

I'm not trying to speak for Danny, but I'm 100% positive that comments forum do not represent the views of the WW/NBOA club itself (and no, I'm not an officer - just a member), and I really doubt that he was trying to offend anyone.

The Winged Warriors/NBOA does represent both the Aero cars and B-bodies in general.  That being said, there are people who prefer the Aero cars to a "regular" B-body.  I do not know even an approximate percentage of WW/NBOA membership between Aero car owners and B-body (non-Aero) owners, but my guess is that Aero cars are very well represented in the membership.  Should the two clubs be separated?  I don't know, but it's not my decision to make either.  I suspect that the "combined" club can take advantage of economies-of-scale which would not be available to either branch if they were to split.  On top of that, the Aero cars are all B-bodies to start with - which means that nearly all the B-body specific tech & resto articles are applicable for the Aero cars as well.

A couple of years ago, I unintentionally offended Curt Lawson at the Monster Mopar show when I asked him to move his car so that we could get a lineup of all wing cars.  At the time, I did not realize the innocent request I made had struck them so negatively until it was too late to do anything about it.  Just like my comment to Mr. & Mrs. Lawson, I seriously doubt that Danny's comment was meant to offend you, and I hope you wouldn't view it as a black mark against the WW/NBOA club or Aero-car enthusiasts in general.

It's pretty easy for us all to develop penchants for particular types of cars, and/or engine combinations.  I know that you're proud of your 4-speed Hemicar, which is perfectly fine.  I have one too.  However, that drivetrain combination, rare as it may be, does not make my car any better than anyone else's.  More valuable than some, perhaps - but it's only valuable when I go to sell it (or when I have to find replacement engine parts!!).  Same goes for Wing cars.  They are still just cars, albeit relatively rare ones.  If I stick my nose up in the air because a car of mine has a wing and someone else's doesn't, it only polarizes folks and does nothing for the image of the Wing Car hobby as a whole.  Instead of feeling snobbish, I feel blessed & honored to have had the opportunity to purchase mine before the market went haywire.  I would much rather talk about Wing car history or help someone understand what makes the cars different than a "regular" B-body than to quote the latest Barrett-Jackson auction results in an effort to make myself look good.

Danny would be quick to tell you that his car doesn't have a wing either, which is part of why he's a little more vocal with what he really likes since he's sorta knocking his own car too.

Long story short, don't take us too seriously here in the Aero forum - and certainly don't let our preferences make you think that WW/NBOA, the DSAC or any other club doesn't want your participation.

 

[Mopurr]

Gene

Well put, I also know someone that was "put out" about parking at MM when they had problems parking in the believed to be WW/NBOA parking and yes we have pulled up in the wing and there was no where to park those years...no big deal park in another row behind & go out and enjoy the day.

But wing cars are not the only ones that sometimes get special parking(not referring to MM) such as Hemi cars or a display of a certain year or model of cars, people need to understand that sometimes there are special areas for an assigned group, I think that what happened at MM those times are that it was believed to be WW/NBOA parking not just wing car display area.  But what a bummer when someone gets very upset about parking in  a reserved area it can ruin their day and also The day for others too.

WW/NBOA is for Wings and b bodys and was surprised to read about about a Mercury being at last years meet, because I was told by a Ford friend that they were told they were welcome to be a member and come to a meet but not to bring the car.

[moparstuart]

Gene

Well put, I also know someone that was "put out" about parking at MM when they had problems parking in the believed to be WW/NBOA parking and yes we have pulled up in the wing and there was no where to park those years...no big deal park in another row behind & go out and enjoy the day.

But wing cars are not the only ones that sometimes get special parking(not referring to MM) such as Hemi cars or a display of a certain year or model of cars, people need to understand that sometimes there are special areas for an assigned group, I think that what happened at MM those times are that it was believed to be WW/NBOA parking not just wing car display area.  But what a bummer when someone gets very upset about parking in  a reserved area it can ruin their day and also The day for others too.

WW/NBOA is for Wings and b bodys and was surprised to read about about a Mercury being at last years meet, because I was told by a Ford friend that they were told they were welcome to be a member and come to a meet but not to bring the car.

  I drove the family around in a ford windstar minivan ( no one shunned us?)

[Mopurr]

I was actually referring to a Talladega and if it was welcome to be a part of the displays etc. with the Wings & b's.

This was a few years ago and maybe Sue has reconsidered. 

[moparstuart]

I was actually referring to a Talladega and if it was welcome to be a part of the displays etc. with the Wings & b's.

This was a few years ago and maybe Sue has reconsidered. 

not sure on that situation but i think the track stuff usually involves membership being covered by club insurance maybe ? not sure of that situation ?  ww/nboa is a mopar aero car and  mopar b body only club for sure though! 
 

[pettybird]

Half a dozen posts since you equated one man's opinion with a club position.  Good job.


Go where ya want to, sir.  I won't stop you.

[69_500]

Wow, I wasn't aware that my own bashing of my car would be a big ordeal. I appologize if I offended anyone with my comment. It isn't a clubs point of view, or even a point of view of this board. Its only my opinion. I can't help it I love the Daytona's. I like the Superbirds and 500's as well. I also like chargers, but all of the others come after the Daytona. I wasn't trying to step on anyone's toes with my post. If anything it was a  at my own car, as it doesn't have a WING either, and in my opinion is its own short coming.

Bring the HEMI 4 speed car to the show, by all means. It is a club for B bodies and Winged Warriors. Last year I drove down to the show in an Intrepid, and no one said anything about that.

[Mopurr]

You know Danny, if you are so unhappy with your car it goes so well with both of ours......lol

If there were not some diffence of opinion and differences in clubs, the world would be so cookie cuttered and not as much fun.

sometimes we forget that when others read what we say lovingly with sarcasm in the Aero forum they take for gospel

As for me, we had our b-body (Charger) for years before the Daytona and guess which one would stay in the garage if one had to go..... the Charger.

[69_500]

You have mentioned before how well the 500 goes with the 2 Chargers that you have. I think I've heard it at least ocne or twice now. 

If and when I find that ever ellusive Daytona that I can afford, I'll look you guys up to provide a nice new home for the 500. Everyone knows that I couldn't afford to have both, even as much as I would love to.

Beggers like me can't be picky though. Once again I wasn't trying to step on anyones toes, just more or less thinking out loud. Which online can be hazzardess to peoples health, mine mostly. If your a sarcastic person it doesn't come accross the best online, unless people know that is what your doing.

[ITSA426]

yep that's what I was thinking too.

i kinda apply DSAC car definitions to WW meets...

Me too, actually I guess you could call it snoby or whatever, but I really wish their newsletters were all about the aero cars. I don't know how the whole winged cars and National B body association came together anyways. Seems like they should be 2 seperate things if you ask me.

Hopefully you can understand my confusion.  No matter how I read it I don't see that as bashing your own car.  I don't mean to sound sensitive but I got red-assed about those comments from people I invited to the meet.  People are reconsidering.  It reflects poorly on the Winged Warriors/NBOA.   I think all of these cars are meant to be enjoyed for what they are.  If it's still an issue let's talk it over in Duluth.  And Danny - I do have a 500 on my shopping list.  Lee


**edited by hemigeno to fix the quote references**

[moparstuart]

yep that's what I was thinking too.

i kinda apply DSAC car definitions to WW meets...

Me too, actually I guess you could call it snoby or whatever, but I really wish their newsletters were all about the aero cars. I don't know how the whole winged cars and National B body association came together anyways. Seems like they should be 2 seperate things if you ask me.

Hopefully you can understand my confusion.  No matter how I read it I don't see that as bashing your own car.  I don't mean to sound sensitive but I got red-assed about those comments from people I invited to the meet.  People are reconsidering.  It reflects poorly on the Winged Warriors/NBOA.   I think all of these cars are meant to be enjoyed for what they are.  If it's still an issue let's talk it over in Duluth.  And Danny - I do have a 500 on my shopping list.  Lee

   lee i look forward to seeing you and your HEMI .  Glad you and your friends are coming !   I'm bringing my clone superbird  getting it out and about for the first time . 

[69_500]

I've got no problem including the people who like the cars. I guess that comes out sounding harsh, but to me if I go to a show there are really only 3 cars that I'll stop and really look at. Those 3 are all the aero cars. Granted I'll stop and talk to people who have B bodies, but I don't take as much time staring at the rest of them. And when I go to a national meet for a winged car club, I expect to spend the whole day looking at the cars I love, and only those.

Then again there are people at those shows who could care less about the 500's as well, so I know where your coming from. Its like my dad always said when I was little,

"If it doesn't have a wing,
It doesn't mean a thing."

Thus excluding the 500's from anything special too. To be honest I think the only 500's my dad ever paid attention to are the HEMI 500's. Thinking back the Q5 500 we had was more or less just another car in the driveway, it wasn't given anything special.

I see. I thought the above post was the one that was causing the misunderstanding. This is the one I was talking about as a bash on my own car.

As far as having a Charger 500 on your shopping list, that is great. There honestly aren't very many people that I know of that go after 500's. Most peope that wind up with them, are seeking one of the other aero cars, and come accross a 500 for cheaper and wind up getting it. Or at least that is what has happend for at least a dozen people I know of.

For the other post, I was meerly thinking outloud and wondering how the two clubs/groups of cars were made into one? i don't remember the national B body owners being a part of the WW, at least not back when I was younger. I could be wrong, and if I am it definately wouldn't be the first time nor the last time. I wasn't trying to step on anyone's toes, and I'm definately not trying to step on anyone's toes now either. People are entitled to their opinions though, and I stick to my opinion that the only cars I wanted to see were the Daytona's. Honestly if you ask people who know me, I tend to walk right on past the Superbirds as well. I just know what I like. Now after I see the Daytona's that I want to see, then I go around and look at the other cars. I do like the Superbirds, as well as other B bodies. Love the 69 1/2 Superbee's and RR's. Also love the 69 and 70 GTX's. Like the trim packages on those, over the standard RR's from those years.

[pettybird]

First of all, you're still taking two peoples' opinions on a non-sanctioned WW/NBOA site and assuming those opinions are the club position, or at the very least the majority opinion.  And you're still wrong for doing so.  In addition, you took my comment to mean that "other" cars are meaningless.  That was also incorrect.


Wing cars are the cat's ass.  Period.  My parents bought the pair we have now before my first birthday--first word:  Da-da.  Second word:  Beep Beep.  Not kidding.  Mom still looks at me with disgust when she retells the story.  I'm not going to apologize for my love of the cars, either.  You grow up with something as special as wings (or Hemis!) and you're TOLD that they're special, and you're taken to meets for more than three decades to get together with other people that like them, and well, you'd like them too.  I'm far more interested in looking at a Talladega, Cyclone Spoiler or 500 than a Hemi car--Sorry.  Those are the "special" cars.


THAT BEING SAID, I'd like to look at your car, too.  I never said that I'd rather not look at it.

[ITSA426]

I feel everyone should feel welcome at any car show.  I would like the people I've invited to feel welcome in Duluth. 

It sounds like your parents have very nice cars and I'm looking forward to seeing them.  I enjoy the aero cars as much as anyone.

[pettybird]

Again, the problem is that you've made the illogical leap from two people who say they prefer wing cars, to a club position shunning non-wings.


The club hosts for the Duluth meet own Coronets, not wings.  Just an example.  There will be plenty of B-Bodies (although wings WILL dominate attendance, numberswise) and all are welcome.  The best part about cars of any kind is the story that each owner has with his car--the Lawsons (hosts) have owned one of their Coronets since new and have over a quarter million miles on it.


Danny and I are on the fringe of wings-over-all-others.  Seriously, the only car I can think of even contemplating trading a wing here for is a new Ford GT.  Nothing else.  On the other hand, club member Rick LaFollette owns a '70 GTX and dislikes wings.  He had a GTX, traded to a Superbird, didn't like it, and bought his current GTX.  It takes all kinds.

You have a Hemi car, for god's sake.  Who doesn't want that around?

[moparstuart]

Again, the problem is that you've made the illogical leap from two people who say they prefer wing cars, to a club position shunning non-wings.


The club hosts for the Duluth meet own Coronets, not wings.  Just an example.  There will be plenty of B-Bodies (although wings WILL dominate attendance, numberswise) and all are welcome.  The best part about cars of any kind is the story that each owner has with his car--the Lawsons (hosts) have owned one of their Coronets since new and have over a quarter million miles on it.


Danny and I are on the fringe of wings-over-all-others.  Seriously, the only car I can think of even contemplating trading a wing here for is a new Ford GT.  Nothing else.  On the other hand, club member Rick LaFollette owns a '70 GTX and dislikes wings.  He had a GTX, traded to a Superbird, didn't like it, and bought his current GTX.  It takes all kinds.

You have a Hemi car, for god's sake.  Who doesn't want that around?

   hey dougy  we understand  lighten up please !!

[PocketThunder]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth,_Minnesota

Native American tribes had occupied the Duluth area for thousands of years. The original inhabitants are believed to have been members of Paleo-Indian cultures, followed by the "Old Copper" people, who hunted with spear points and knives and fished with metal hooks. Around two thousand years ago, the Woodlands people, known for their burial mounds and pottery, occupied the area. They also cultivated wild rice, a crop that continues to be harvested today by Ojibwa tribes in the region and is often seen being sold in the area, especially in Wisconsin. Duluth's name in the Ojibwe language is Onigamiinsing ("at the little portage") due to the small and easy portage across Minnesota Point between Lake Superior and western Superior Bay forming Duluth's harbor. According to Ojibwa Oral history, Spirit Island located near the Spirit Valley neighborhood was the "Sixth Stopping Place" where the northern and southern branches of the Ojibwa Nation came together and then proceeded to their "Seventh Stopping Place" near the present city of La Pointe, Wisconsin.

[FJMG]

Wow PocketThunder that area looks beautiful. My car is still in a thousand pieces so I guess we will bring the Saturn. We met Curt and Janet at Fred's along with Sue and Ed, super people, can't wait to reconnect in June.
    ITSA426, I would LOVE  to see your car! especially alongside the hillside! I can remember a hillside 70 barracuda convertable at the nats in 87 or 88, you just don't see that stuff with a lot of emphasis on big block cars.

[66chargerkid]

This meet will be fun! Hope to see all the bad @$$ cars out there. I myself am a charger guy. BUt hey i grew up with wings around me.
We are all mopar family =)