The NASCAR Thread

[odcics2]

I was rooting for anyone but Montoya....did ya notice who sponsored the 42 car? "Depends"..cause that driver is full of crap!

Yea for Harvick...looks like he was shot out of a cannon the last laps

Bryan

NOS will do that!   

[Highbanked Hauler]

   You know, I went to Rockingham for  the Sat. race which was the UARA late models and the Frank Kimmel street stocks and that was better racing than you see on TV. These are the guys that don't have million dollar sponsors supporting them and less powerful engines  but the racing was top notch.  Last year NASCAR was  supporting local tracks and the way the cup series has gotten so anal its great to watch (real racing) for a change.

[JB400]

Local tracks do put on better racing for the most part.  There are exceptions, but overall, a lot better experiences

[JB400]

Penske penalties still stand.  Penske said he'll appeal to the other panel.  Might not look good for Gibbs.

On another note, testing at Indy seen cars going 214 mph.

[Highbanked Hauler]

  It has turned into a damned spec series

[RTDaddy]

  It has turned into a damned spec series

I think NASCAR better look back at what happened to IROC.
"IF YOU'RE UNDER CONTROL, YOU AIN'T GOING FAST ENOUGH."

[JB400]

Can we go back to the 1969 rulebook?

[Highbanked Hauler]

Can we go back to the 1969 rulebook?

That would be a start !!!
   My argument has been for a long time go to a V6 engine and let teams run whatever tire they want to. That way you don't need a restrictor plate and You don't need 800 hp  for  good racing.

[Budnicks]

I kind of like the 1969 rule book idea, with current safety equipment std.'s.... How about let teams run "any tire manufacturer that they choose", just make a limit on sizes std. safety stuff... Goodyear has long had the monopoly on most auto racing in North America, how about let, Firestone, Hoosier, Avon, Michelin, Bridgestone etc. get into the mix  ... Like many other racing sanctioning bodies do  ... I'm sure the NASCAR drivers, would love the variety & choices in tires...  I would also like to see the restrictor plates go away too, just mandate a lower final gear ratio, that would limit the high speeds, they are worried about & still give the drivers back some throttle control again.... 

[Aero426]

I kind of like the 1969 rule book idea, with current safety equipment std.'s.... How about let teams run "any tire manufacturer that they choose", just make a limit on sizes std. safety stuff... Goodyear has long had the monopoly on most auto racing in North America, how about let, Firestone, Hoosier, Avon, Michelin, Bridgestone etc. get into the mix  ... Like many other racing sanctioning bodies do  ... I'm sure the NASCAR drivers, would love the variety & choices in tires...  I would also like to see the restrictor plates go away too, just mandate a lower final gear ratio, that would limit the high speeds, they are worried about & still give the drivers back some throttle control again.... 

The last tire war between Goodyear and Hoosier in the late 80's sacrificed safety for speed.  It put drivers in the wall and hospital. 

[Ponch ®]

I kind of like the 1969 rule book idea, with current safety equipment std.'s.... How about let teams run "any tire manufacturer that they choose", just make a limit on sizes std. safety stuff... Goodyear has long had the monopoly on most auto racing in North America, how about let, Firestone, Hoosier, Avon, Michelin, Bridgestone etc. get into the mix   ... Like many other racing sanctioning bodies do   ... I'm sure the NASCAR drivers, would love the variety & choices in tires...  I would also like to see the restrictor plates go away too, just mandate a lower final gear ratio, that would limit the high speeds, they are worried about & still give the drivers back some throttle control again....  

The last tire war between Goodyear and Hoosier in the late 80's sacrificed safety for speed.  It put drivers in the wall and hospital.  

Yep...ask Neil Bonnett. different tire manufacturers in an oval series = not good.

I guess they could have some sort of baseline limits for a "safe tire" (softness, etc), but eventually the manufactures would find ways to push the envelope and find ways (intentionally or not) to get past those limits without technically breaking the rulebook. And that wouldnt be good.

[Highbanked Hauler]

I kind of like the 1969 rule book idea, with current safety equipment std.'s.... How about let teams run "any tire manufacturer that they choose", just make a limit on sizes std. safety stuff... Goodyear has long had the monopoly on most auto racing in North America, how about let, Firestone, Hoosier, Avon, Michelin, Bridgestone etc. get into the mix   ... Like many other racing sanctioning bodies do   ... I'm sure the NASCAR drivers, would love the variety & choices in tires...  I would also like to see the restrictor plates go away too, just mandate a lower final gear ratio, that would limit the high speeds, they are worried about & still give the drivers back some throttle control again....  

The last tire war between Goodyear and Hoosier in the late 80's sacrificed safety for speed.  It put drivers in the wall and hospital.  






I would hope tires have gotten better since the 80S though. 

[Aero426]

Tire choices sound good on paper.   

Other series:
Indy Car -  one tire company
Grand-Am-  one tire company
ALMS - multiple tire companies, but you have to have Michelin if you want to win. 

[Highbanked Hauler]

   Aren't Good Years  like $2000. a set now ?  That has to be a nasty tire bill for a race.

[TruckDriver]

  Aren't Good Years  like $2000. a set now ?  That has to be a nasty tire bill for a race.

Try over $200 a tire.  

Hamlin cleared, will race at Talladega

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/hamlin-says-ll-start-race-talladega-163000492.html

[Budnicks]

I kind of like the 1969 rule book idea, with current safety equipment std.'s.... How about let teams run "any tire manufacturer that they choose", just make a limit on sizes std. safety stuff... Goodyear has long had the monopoly on most auto racing in North America, how about let, Firestone, Hoosier, Avon, Michelin, Bridgestone etc. get into the mix   ... Like many other racing sanctioning bodies do   ... I'm sure the NASCAR drivers, would love the variety & choices in tires...  I would also like to see the restrictor plates go away too, just mandate a lower final gear ratio, that would limit the high speeds, they are worried about & still give the drivers back some throttle control again....  

The last tire war between Goodyear and Hoosier in the late 80's sacrificed safety for speed.  It put drivers in the wall and hospital.  






I would hope tires have gotten better since the 80S though.  

Exactly... With todays safety std.'s & I would think they could make spec rule tire, like they do with everything else on a NASCAR ride....

[Budnicks]

Tire choices sound good on paper.  

Other series:
Indy Car -  one tire company
Grand-Am-  one tire company
ALMS - multiple tire companies, but you have to have Michelin if you want to win.  
You forgot NHRA professional categories all have to run Good Year also 

That spells Good Year has a Race Tire total monopoly to me... you hear the racers bit-h about the lack of grip or crappy Good Year tires all the time, until NASCAR shuts them down, because Good Year has the contract & you can't talk chit about any NASCAR contract, official, media personnel or their supplier, under the current NASCAR rules or your in for a big $$ fine, points grab/penalty or set out a few races, they have the gags on the guys.... unless you Hendricks of course...

[Highbanked Hauler]

  Aren't Good Years  like $2000. a set now ?  That has to be a nasty tire bill for a race.

Try over $200 a tire.  

Hamlin cleared, will race at Talladega

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/hamlin-says-ll-start-race-talladega-163000492.html

  Correct me if I am wrong but I thought I heard it is up to $500. a tire now ? 

[JB400]

Tire choices sound good on paper.  

Other series:
Indy Car -  one tire company
Grand-Am-  one tire company
ALMS - multiple tire companies, but you have to have Michelin if you want to win.  

That spells Good Year has a Race Tire total monopoly to me... you hear the racers bit-h about the lack of grip or crappy Good Year tires all the time, until NASCAR shuts them down, because Good Year has the contract & you can't talk chit about any NASCAR contract, official, media personnel or their supplier, under the current NASCAR rules or your in for a big $$ fine, points grab/penalty or set out a few races, they have the gags on the guys.... unless you Hendricks of course...

Or Stewart.  It seems like the only drivers that have to keep their mouths shut is the Busch Bros.  All others  know better

[Budnicks]

Tire choices sound good on paper.  

Other series:
Indy Car -  one tire company
Grand-Am-  one tire company
ALMS - multiple tire companies, but you have to have Michelin if you want to win.  

That spells Good Year has a Race Tire total monopoly to me... you hear the racers bit-h about the lack of grip or crappy Good Year tires all the time, until NASCAR shuts them down, because Good Year has the contract & you can't talk chit about any NASCAR contract, official, media personnel or their supplier, under the current NASCAR rules or your in for a big $$ fine, points grab/penalty or set out a few races, they have the gags on the guys.... unless you Hendricks of course...

Or Stewart.  It seems like the only drivers that have to keep their mouths shut is the Busch Bros.  All others  know better

yeah...LOL...

[Budnicks]

  Aren't Good Years  like $2000. a set now ?  That has to be a nasty tire bill for a race.

Try over $200 a tire.  

Hamlin cleared, will race at Talladega

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/hamlin-says-ll-start-race-talladega-163000492.html

  Correct me if I am wrong but I thought I heard it is up to $500. a tire now ? 

I think it depends on what tire program your on or have to be on, with Good Year... I've heard $$ #'s all over the map, from near free to $500+ each also, but depending on who's talking & what team it is... "I don't know for a fact either way thou" & probably won't ever know the true/real $$'s either...

[TruckDriver]

The cup cars were running around 214 in practice today 

[JB400]

The cup cars were running around 214 in practice today  

Are you sure?  I was watching.  The cars were only hitting 199 mph in single car runs.  Was that in the draft? They were hitting 214 in Indy earlier this week during a tire test.

[TruckDriver]

Maybe that's what I heard. I know they were talking about Jeff Gorden was one of the guys that hit that speed.

[A383Wing]

his mouth goes that fast and nothing good comes out of it

Bryan