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« on: June 17, 2009, 04:59:38 AM »

Im digging threw all my stuff to see what car and vins went were as mentioned on the daytona SE post,And XX29L9B333767 seems not to be listed on shiplist as 287970 Dale Reeker car is on there .And I thought as the 68 Charger 500 prototype Jerry Service vin is 3##  vin destination.That this odd daytona also shares a 3### isolated number  .That I might be a prototype or early engineering car like Jerrys 500 that also has a isolated vin.Was owned by a engineer or was a test bed car???
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2009, 05:16:20 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2009, 03:28:22 AM »

I read across this following statement by Hemi Geno in SE daytona thread
[Qoute] I've seen another [[[[[VIN number listed between 287970[ and [355101 which may or may not be a true XX29 Daytona[[[, so I can't say much about it.  As far as the others go, it's a pretty safe bet that they were all ordered/specified/built without a V-top.

So possibly this is that same 3## mystery daytona which isnt a real daytona after all??.Which may or may not be a true XX29 Daytona as refered to as in the statement.With no given reason.Why its suspected of not being a real XX29 daytona?   scratchchinpopcrn
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2009, 07:23:28 AM »

With no given reason.Why its suspected of not being a real XX29 daytona?  


Dave, do you consider the car you mentioned to be an original Daytona?  If so, why?

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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2009, 03:57:18 PM »

In the statement you say you consider it not to be a real daytona .But with no explanation of why it isnt.Care to elaborate to why thats the case .Cant make a accurate conclusion when given nothing to work with



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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2009, 04:07:57 PM »

I did not say that particular car wasn't a real Daytona, or that the VIN you've quoted is or is not the one I had in mind.  Here's what I said, with emphasis added:

I've seen another VIN number listed between 287970 and 355101 which may or may not be a true XX29 Daytona, so I can't say much about it. 


My question still stands:

Do you consider the car you mentioned to be an original Daytona, and if so, why?

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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2009, 04:10:45 PM »

In the statement you say you consider it not to be a real daytona .But with no explanation of why it isnt.Care to elaborate to why thats the case .Cant make a accurate conclusion when given nothing to work with
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2009, 04:15:16 PM »

 
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which may or may not be a true XX29 Daytona, so I can't say much about it.  So with no overwhelming or any info relative to the given car pro or con.It can go to either side of the coin
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2009, 04:20:32 PM »

In the statement you say you consider it not to be a real daytona .

Dave, you're still putting words in my mouth which weren't said.  I did NOT say the car you mentioned wasn't a Daytona.  I also didn't say it WAS a Daytona.  Let's set that straight.


So with no overwhelming or any info relative to the given car pro or con.It can go to either side of the coin

Alright, let's look at this from a logical perspective.  What facts do you know about this particular car?

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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2009, 04:36:25 PM »

At this time and point is what I found. Scales not tipping in either direction .Reaching out on the board to see any of such rumored car.Could be colaberated substantiated what have you .The only shred I had to go on further was a daytona you refered to as which may or not be a daytona.And you chose not to elaborate in any detail which way or the other.Or to what car it was or maybe wasnt.To why that be the case .To see if any of those withheld details.Follow along the line where Im proceding 

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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2009, 05:33:17 PM »

Dave, you've missed the point of my earlier question entirely, but that's OK.

I don't know anything about the car you mentioned, nor do I know anything about any other VINs/cars/Daytonas(?) between 287970 and 355101.  That WAS my whole point.

I'm sorry you're feeling slighted that I'm not passing along information I don't have.   rotz




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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2009, 06:10:08 PM »

 Ok case closed on that particular mystery car Im still looking into it on my own time .lets take a step back to a verified daytona vin you have yourself refered to 287970 ,And give you and this site a chance to redeme itself and live up to its expecatations according to this description  A place for fans of the Dodge Charger to[[[[[[[[ learn]]]]]]]], [[[[[[share]]]]]]]], and hang out 
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.Can you elaborate have pictures etc to share to say the least. Fender tag info anything on this car on ? 287970 AKA Dale Reeker daytona to refresh your memory these posts are by you popcrn popcrn

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One of my Daytona's has the second hole, the other does not. The car with the extra hole also has the two (smaller) holes rad support whereas the car with out the extra (battery area) hole has the one large hole in the rad support. The wiring harness clip in the car with the extra (battery area) hole does not even come close to clipping in either hole   

There were at least 3 different harnesses used on 'Tona's to further add to the mayhem!


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I'm sure the car with the one large hole is the DocTona - and it matches EXACTLY [[[[[[[[what Danny and I found on 287970[[[[[[[[[[[[[.  Was there a black grommet for that hole?  Looking at the Reeker car is what led me to the conclusion that the second hole behind the battery was to create some slack to get that wire harness up and over the


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Hmmmm, photo's of the Reeker car?

Gene, what is your opinion on the pics we looked at on Saturday? Same front fenders as on the Reeker car? I resized the photo's, but not on posting them or not. Due to not being the one seeing the Reeker car in the last few days, can't say for certain.


It's hard to say if the photos are of the Reeker car or not.  [[[[[[[[[[[[[[I looked ]]]][[[[closely at a couple of [[the photos ]]]]]I took of the car[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[, and there is not a seam on the Reeker car's fender right above the marker lights as in the pictures from Detroit.  That doesn't mean much since they could easily have put another set of modified fenders on the car before completing its conversion, but the '70 style side marker connection makes it a distinct possibility they are the same car.  If those are the original fenders it would certainly indicate the Reeker car was an early build (still not 100% sure about calling it "the prototype" just yet).  Perhaps John can talk with Les Bowman sometime to confirm that the fenders are original to the car, although he and I both suspect that is the case.

The pictures are in B&W which doesn't help much in proving or disproving which car it is - especially since there's no way to tell if they had painted the test-fit fenders the color of the car just yet.  It also looks like the nosecone is fiberglass to me, but it's difficult to tell.
 
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2009, 07:26:07 PM »

I'm soooooo confuzed now...more than ever!  brickwall
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2009, 08:33:48 PM »

I'm confused and I typically don't have that happen when talking about VIN's. I don't recognize the VIN dave listed at all. Where did the number come from? Is it a car you saw Dave? A car that someone mentioned to you as being a Daytona? One you read about somewhere?

I think that Gene was more or less just getting at the same questions I asked here. He just wanted to know where the question about the "mystery" car came from to start with. As far as the information on peoples cars, sometimes they ask that one not share all of that information. I have been asked by a few owners of cars to not share their information on the internet, because they don't want everyone to know everything about them. I'm sure you have looked at plenty of cars in the past Dave that people didn't want you to go shouting from the mountain top about.  Now if they tell me I can share the photos' or information I get about their car then I'll gladly share it with people, if not then it will remain just written down and not mentioned.
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2009, 09:48:36 PM »

Some things in life just makes ya think and others make ya go scratchchin
I.m sure glad I picked researching and restoring the bird's of the wing family,Because the Daytona crowd always looking for another one  brickwall Lol Ken
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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2009, 09:56:48 PM »

Some things in life just makes ya think and others make ya go scratchchin
I,m sure glad I picked researching and restoring the bird's of the wing family,Because the Daytona crowd's always looking for another one  brickwall Lol Ken
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2009, 11:21:21 PM »

Ken, it seems like there's always another bird popping up.
I just located a Superbird in a barn within 100 miles of me that I never knew about.
Now all I have to do is figure out a way to get the owners to let me put it in my barn. lol

Oh, and I'm confused about this thread, but that's not news, really. Cry
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« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2009, 03:46:36 AM »

Theres quite a few superbirds I know of in Arkanasas W . J cars to name a few..Also A guy gave me a vin to a 69 charger 500 he owned in the 80-s .And It yet to find it on a list to date.Its a similar vin 300 310 as I recall.Similar to the vin I has given for a ? daytona.So I use my contacts and various sources DMV etc to run down these cars. If and when I get a result. I will share it here and spread the knowledge

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On a unrelated note when the craigslist 69 R4 AC car on a open forum car was for sale .And ad expired and again on the open forum 69 500 asked contact info to ask about the car in this
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. Did anyone ever get a response to the craigslist ad? I never heard back from the guy, and I had someone who was interested in the car as well. And no it wasn't me, although I'd love to have it sitting with my 500 side by side I just couldn't swing that right now.End Quote.  It was a for sale ad and phone number was obtainable during the ad .And I got a PM  Quote  It is an original paint, original interior, documented, original owner car.  Only 112k miles on it.  But anyways, since I am trying to get it I don't want all this info getting out as of yet.  Thanks..So how do I know someone wants to buy it when 69 500 asks for the phone and contact info acquired from the ad which had expired
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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2009, 09:11:22 AM »

I'm confused and I typically don't have that happen when talking about VIN's. I don't recognize the VIN dave listed at all. Where did the number come from? Is it a car you saw Dave? A car that someone mentioned to you as being a Daytona? One you read about somewhere?

I think that Gene was more or less just getting at the same questions I asked here. He just wanted to know where the question about the "mystery" car came from to start with. As far as the information on peoples cars, sometimes they ask that one not share all of that information. I have been asked by a few owners of cars to not share their information on the internet, because they don't want everyone to know everything about them. I'm sure you have looked at plenty of cars in the past Dave that people didn't want you to go shouting from the mountain top about.  Now if they tell me I can share the photos' or information I get about their car then I'll gladly share it with people, if not then it will remain just written down and not mentioned.

Bingo.  Makes me rethink mentioning any detail about any car if the apparent assumption with some is that any photos or information about a car MUST be shared in the open forum.  Some things are given to me (and others) in confidence, and I refuse to be baited into being the one to betray that confidence.  A car that I happen to see at a public event or show is a different story altogether.

As far as the 333767 source goes, I'm sure it's from the WW/NBOA list from '82 & later - because I can see that number there too.  Whether it's a legit number recorded or a typo/transcription error (from 383267 perhaps), I can't say since I don't know how WW came across the information.  Some observations about it though:

>> It's not on the shipping list (there's one other known VIN that's not on there, so that's not airtight)
>> The only reference I've seen to that VIN as a Daytona or otherwise is on the Club list - but even there it's shown as having only partial information, which means there's greater chance that a mistake was made when the VIN was reported/recorded
>> It's outside the range of known VIN groupings, making it less likely (but not impossible) that this is a legit XX29 car and more likely it's a mis-recorded VIN



Some things in life just makes ya think and others make ya go scratchchin
I.m sure glad I picked researching and restoring the bird's of the wing family,Because the Daytona crowd always looking for another one  brickwall Lol Ken

 lol  You chose wisely, Ken!


Ken, it seems like there's always another bird popping up.
I just located a Superbird in a barn within 100 miles of me that I never knew about.
Now all I have to do is figure out a way to get the owners to let me put it in my barn. lol

 2thumbs  Sounds like a good prospect for you, Larry!  Take the SuperRunner on a road trip to visit the owners, and maybe that'll grease the skids a bit.  Awesome!

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« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2009, 03:46:21 PM »

Say a certain car is a recluse been off the road since 72 .And you get the nod to come see it in a private storage facility And take pictures etc.And owner say this is just between you and me right .And thats good and confidental.Done deal .Say the same car goes up for sale that next weekend .And you got or had been given that info on it from your past visit .Know that car has become publiced for sale and your not the one to make the first disclosure about it to the general public.Your not under a condfidental guideline to the material you have to offer.Are you??


When a car has been publiced for sale from is hibernation .It has already been disclosed .Hasnt it??.Gonna keep running leads down given me

FIRST DODGE DAYTONA BUILT.XX29L9B287790


A rare opportunity to purchase the very first Daytona built. Car has been in family collection since the 70's. 1969 Dodge Daytona SE matching #'s 440 4 speed with build sheet and previous owner history. This car was the very first one built with lowest vin # ,by far. The only car not shipped to a dealership after leaving Creative Industries, it was sent back to Dale Reeker ,engineer at Chrysler. Car is #501 on #501 list from Creative Industries. Car is beleived to be what was called a test mule or pre-production pilot car. Car is originally f6 bright metallic green but was changed to red aprox 1975 and later took 1st place at national meet in 1976. Since then car has been kept in private collection and this is the first time it is being offered for sale since the 70's.

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Bingo.  Makes me rethink mentioning any detail about any car if the apparent assumption with some is that any photos or information about a car MUST be shared in the open forum.  Some things are given to me (and others) in confidence, and I refuse to be baited into being the one to betray that confidence. 





 iagree

Not everything in this world is public knowledge or should it be. Some cars have been off the radar screen for along time. Its up to the owner wether he wishes for his information to be cataloged and scrutinized by everyone. There is a reason some people get to see cars in confidence. They are trusted.
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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2009, 05:34:51 AM »

Hardest thread I've ever tried to read brickwall scratchchin brickwall

But in the end:  There is a reason some people get to see cars in confidence. They are trusted.  2thumbs
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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2009, 06:26:52 AM »

I agree getting see a car in confidence is sacred ground .And so is the material your retrived from it .But if it goes up for sale and becomes disclosed for the first time to the general public .What responsability do you have with the material you got .Because a person coming to see that car has same opportunity to get that material or has sent it to me after passing on the car .But your suppose to sit on the material you obtained?:

So what that my feelings are

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Sorry Troy but you still do have a daytona in the long run .And you can learn details and improve on what you already got to work with .I for one will try to answer and help in anyway I can.As this sites motto is a place to share and learn at. That not always to being the case my suggestion is and I will make this well known through out the entire internet .If you dont findout what you trying to learn about on here on this board .Try other boards as I feel I cant recommend this one to anyone anymore.
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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2009, 08:52:51 AM »

Geez Dave. I'm still unsure what this whole thread/argument is about but I feel I need to comment about your attitude. As much as the people around here have put up with your antics and stuck up for you in the past (especially Gene, Danny, and I) it's really a slap in the face to hear how you feel. Yes, this is a place to share with others but there's no rule that says a person must divulge every fact about every car that they know to be a member. Many of these guys will go far beyond any expectations to help out just about anyone (regarding wing cars or otherwise) but I guess some people are never happy. It's up to each individual to determine their own limits on when/if it is ok to break another's confidence - not some standard determined by you.

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« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2009, 09:32:24 AM »

Dave,

It's a waste of my time to explain anything to you, as you've already passed judgement.  Fine.  Think of me what you will, but if you had promised a gentleman before looking at his car that you were NOT going there to take pictures to be spread all over the internet, is my word to him only "good" until YOU decide otherwise?  When did you become the arbiter of when a promise made by someone else no longer applies?  Oh, and his car had been listed for sale elsewhere previously, so when I went to look at the car it was already available (for "Serious Inquiries only" in those earlier advertisements too).  I am still going to honor my promise unless the owner (who happens to be a member here) tells me otherwise - and I'm not going to approach him on the subject merely to satisfy your curiosity.

Chill out.  In the past, I have personally defended you to the Nth degree behind the scenes around here, and have a tremendous amount of respect for you and your knowledge of wing car history.  However, I do not appreciate your tone or attempt to badger me.  Period.



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