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What color should a 69' 383 engine be?

Started by 4Bangin69, August 10, 2009, 04:51:24 PM

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4Bangin69

I just had my engine reduilt and installed in the car. This guy told me that i painted it the wrong color Chrysler blue. It should be orange.. I just matched the original color when i took it out. The previous owner said that its the original engine and its never been changed how do i find out?

Tilar

From everything I've read, the stock 383's in 69 were generally turquoise, High performance engines were generally orange. Subject to change without notice.  ;)
Dave  

God must love stupid people; He made so many.



4Bangin69

Does that meen that i don't have a 383 magnum. How do i check?

472 R/T SE


resq302

Quote from: 472 R/T SE on August 10, 2009, 05:29:52 PM
Does your car have A/C?

I agree.  If your car had a/c, it would not have been the HP 383.  Cars with a/c got a turquoise blue color and HP engines got the street hemi orange paint.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

hemi-hampton


hemigeno

Quote from: 4Bangin69 on August 10, 2009, 05:20:21 PM
Does that meen that i don't have a 383 magnum. How do i check?

In '69, the term 'Magnum' was used just for the HP 440s and 383s, but every 383-4 isn't officially considered a HiPo engine.  Since your Charger is an automatic, the 383 is not considered a 'Magnum' even though it may have originally been a 4bbl version.  Both the 383 2bbl and 4bbl non-HP engines were painted turquoise in '69.

Quote from: resq302 on August 10, 2009, 05:54:57 PM
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on August 10, 2009, 05:29:52 PM
Does your car have A/C?

I agree.  If your car had a/c, it would not have been the HP 383.  Cars with a/c got a turquoise blue color and HP engines got the street hemi orange paint.

Another indicator is the transmission - and 4Bangin's car is an automatic.  There's at least some debate on what is and is not "supposed" to be installed in a '69 Charger w/ a 383 4bbl.  Factory paperwork shows that '69 Chargers (as well as Coronet Deluxe, 440 and 500 models) equipped with the 383-4 and a 4-speed transmission usually received the 2946925 version of the 383... which is considered a 'Magnum', was originally painted orange, and is the same engine installed 4-speed RoadRunners & SuperBees.  That's the only exception for Chargers according to the paperwork, but I certainly haven't seen every car and/or broadcast sheet to say for certain that's the case.



bsakal

If this helps, the engine in my '69 Charger was turquoise. It is an "H" code 330 horse 383, non a/c car.
69 Charger SE - 66 Chrysler Newport 383

bsakal

I forgot to add this - back in '88 or '89, I pulled an "H" code 383 out of a friends '69 Charger to install in a Coronet I was fooling around with, it was the original engine and had never been apart, and it was turquoise. I believe this car had A/C...
69 Charger SE - 66 Chrysler Newport 383

alcusswhen

Quote from: hemi-hampton on August 10, 2009, 06:32:52 PM
Interesting, Never knew that :scratchchin:  LEON.

Wrong, if the car is an R/T you could only get a magnum engine a/c or not. I remember this from the Charger R/T 383/727 w/air the day "9 May,1969" I ordered my 69 R/T SE here at Hill Kelly Dodge in Pensacola FL three days after 18 months in Vietnam. 
Bone 7

73 Charger SE/ 318/391 stroker, 2500 Boss Hogg converter/ 391 sure grip.
07 Charger R/T

hemi-hampton

Quote from: alcusswhen on August 10, 2009, 07:57:13 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on August 10, 2009, 06:32:52 PM
Interesting, Never knew that :scratchchin:  LEON.

Wrong, if the car is an R/T you could only get a magnum engine a/c or not. I remember this from the Charger R/T 383/727 w/air the day "9 May,1969" I ordered my 69 R/T SE here at Hill Kelly Dodge in Pensacola FL three days after 18 months in Vietnam. 

WRONG, The R/T never came with a 383. 440 was standard & your only option was the 6 pack (starting in 70) & the Hemi. LEON.

4Bangin69

My car didnt come with A/C.. Its a automatic and not sure if its a HP or not. Will that be on my build sheet or fender tag?

hemi-hampton

If not a AC Car then I'll go with my Original guess, That is the real early 69 Builds (actually late 68) are Turquoise while the later 69's were Orange. I'm sure their is a factory Bullitin (tbs) out there somewhere that describes this change. LEON. :scratchchin: :shruggy:

hemi-hampton

My Buddy's 69 Roadrunner I restored recently was Turquois or Blue & was original owner & paint on motor but AC car but real early build. LEON. :shruggy:

69CoronetRT

Quote from: hemigeno on August 10, 2009, 06:44:49 PM
Quote from: 4Bangin69 on August 10, 2009, 05:20:21 PM
Does that meen that i don't have a 383 magnum. How do i check?

In '69, the term 'Magnum' was used just for the HP 440s and 383s, but every 383-4 isn't officially considered a HiPo engine.  Since your Charger is an automatic, the 383 is not considered a 'Magnum' even though it may have originally been a 4bbl version.  Both the 383 2bbl and 4bbl non-HP engines were painted turquoise in '69.

Quote from: resq302 on August 10, 2009, 05:54:57 PM
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on August 10, 2009, 05:29:52 PM
Does your car have A/C?

I agree.  If your car had a/c, it would not have been the HP 383.  Cars with a/c got a turquoise blue color and HP engines got the street hemi orange paint.

Another indicator is the transmission - and 4Bangin's car is an automatic.  There's at least some debate on what is and is not "supposed" to be installed in a '69 Charger w/ a 383 4bbl.  Factory paperwork shows that '69 Chargers (as well as Coronet Deluxe, 440 and 500 models) equipped with the 383-4 and a 4-speed transmission usually received the 2946925 version of the 383... which is considered a 'Magnum', was originally painted orange, and is the same engine installed 4-speed RoadRunners & SuperBees.  That's the only exception for Chargers according to the paperwork, but I certainly haven't seen every car and/or broadcast sheet to say for certain that's the case.




FWIW I agree.

No HP A/C cars in 68 or 69 - all 383-4bbl A/C cars, regardless of tranny, came with 330 horse. There was no HP A/C engine assembly built those two years.
69 Charger with A/C or Automatic = Turquoise 330 horse engine
69 Charger with four speed = Orange 335 horse engine. There was no 330 horse manual transmission assembly built that year like there was in 68. All four speed B-bodies got the 335 assembly.

However, I've wondered if a 335 horse automatic Charger couldn't have slipped out of the STL plant in 68.
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

hemigeno

Quote from: 4Bangin69 on August 10, 2009, 08:54:32 PM
My car didnt come with A/C.. Its a automatic and not sure if its a HP or not. Will that be on my build sheet or fender tag?

If you have the broadcast sheet, see what is coded under "Engine" on line three.  That will confirm what we've been saying, and I'd hazard a guess that it will read 900.


Quote from: 69CoronetRT on August 11, 2009, 12:19:51 AM
However, I've wondered if a 335 horse automatic Charger couldn't have slipped out of the STL plant in 68.

Wouldn't doubt it.  Doug, you'd be amazed (appalled?) at some of the stories we've heard from the St. Louis Assembly Plant workers that live around here.  QUITE often they would walk a friend/relative's car down the assembly line, and all sorts of things, from double-layer floor pans, upgraded suspensions, stereo, interior & exterior trim, wheels/tires, etc., were unofficially added to a car through the buddy system.  It would not surprise me at all if someone put a 383HP/727 in such a car.


bull

Quote from: alcusswhen on August 10, 2009, 07:57:13 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on August 10, 2009, 06:32:52 PM
Interesting, Never knew that :scratchchin:  LEON.

Wrong, if the car is an R/T you could only get a magnum engine a/c or not. I remember this from the Charger R/T 383/727 w/air the day "9 May,1969" I ordered my 69 R/T SE here at Hill Kelly Dodge in Pensacola FL three days after 18 months in Vietnam.  

What? I can't believe anyone here still thinks R/T Chargers came 383s. Are you sure you weren't ordering a Challenger? If it was a Charger it either had a 440/426 or it wasn't an R/T.


resq302

Quote from: hemi-hampton on August 10, 2009, 10:55:16 PM
My Buddy's 69 Roadrunner I restored recently was Turquois or Blue & was original owner & paint on motor but AC car but real early build. LEON. :shruggy:

Nice job on the engine.  Looks really good!
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

resq302

Quote from: bull on August 11, 2009, 10:08:14 AM
Quote from: alcusswhen on August 10, 2009, 07:57:13 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on August 10, 2009, 06:32:52 PM
Interesting, Never knew that :scratchchin:  LEON.

Wrong, if the car is an R/T you could only get a magnum engine a/c or not. I remember this from the Charger R/T 383/727 w/air the day "9 May,1969" I ordered my 69 R/T SE here at Hill Kelly Dodge in Pensacola FL three days after 18 months in Vietnam.  

What? I can't believe anyone here still thinks R/T Chargers came 383s. Are you sure you weren't ordering a Challenger? If it was a Charger it either had a 440/426 or it wasn't an R/T.



WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!  You mean to tell me that slant 6 charger that I saw wasn't a real r/t? :RantExplode:     :nana: :smilielol:
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

alcusswhen

Quote from: hemi-hampton on August 10, 2009, 06:32:52 PM
Interesting, Never knew that :scratchchin:  LEON.

I've owned 69 R/T SE sense may 11th 1969 it has air a four speed and a hime orange 440.
Bone 7

73 Charger SE/ 318/391 stroker, 2500 Boss Hogg converter/ 391 sure grip.
07 Charger R/T

hemigeno

Quote from: alcusswhen on August 22, 2009, 08:51:24 PM

I've owned 69 R/T SE sense may 11th 1969 it has air a four speed and a hime orange 440.

I think I'd like to see the fender tag from that car, alcusswhen... a 440 4-speed with air wasn't an officially-available combination.


6bblgt

Quote from: hemigeno on August 22, 2009, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: alcusswhen on August 22, 2009, 08:51:24 PM

I've owned 69 R/T SE sense may 11th 1969 it has air a four speed and a hime orange 440.

I think I'd like to see the fender tag from that car, alcusswhen... a 440 4-speed with air wasn't an officially-available combination.



I'll second that!  ..................  bring on the pics!! ..................  factory, NEVER!!!  :scratchchin:

72sechargerman

Maybe the A/C was dealer installed :shruggy:
As far as what color to paint your Engine if the car is concours then it matter's if not pick the color you like :Twocents:


4Bangin69

It might be to late its been painted Chrysler blue not turquoise. :brickwall:

69_500

Quote from: alcusswhen on August 22, 2009, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on August 10, 2009, 06:32:52 PM
Interesting, Never knew that :scratchchin:  LEON.

I've owned 69 R/T SE sense may 11th 1969 it has air a four speed and a hime orange 440.

So let me get this right. You ordered the car on May 9th, and picked it up May 11th? 2 days to process the order, and then to build the car and then deliver it. Hmmmm, yeah seems about the right amount of time. Then again what color is "HIME" orange?

maxwellwedge

Quote from: hemigeno on August 22, 2009, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: alcusswhen on August 22, 2009, 08:51:24 PM

I've owned 69 R/T SE sense may 11th 1969 it has air a four speed and a hime orange 440.

I think I'd like to see the fender tag from that car, alcusswhen... a 440 4-speed with air wasn't an officially-available combination.



I did see a car and buildsheet from a club member a few years ago on a factory built 383, 335, A/C 4-Speed '69 Coronet. Not that it really matters, the car came from Grand-Spaulding Dodge....but hey - maybe a zone rep or someone with some yank got it built.

alcusswhen

Quote from: hemi-hampton on August 10, 2009, 08:49:17 PM
Quote from: alcusswhen on August 10, 2009, 07:57:13 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on August 10, 2009, 06:32:52 PM
Interesting, Never knew that :scratchchin:  LEON.

Wrong, if the car is an R/T you could only get a magnum engine a/c or not. I remember this from the Charger R/T 383/727 w/air the day "9 May,1969" I ordered my 69 R/T SE here at Hill Kelly Dodge in Pensacola FL three days after 18 months in Vietnam. 

WRONG, The R/T never came with a 383. 440 was standard & your only option was the 6 pack (starting in 70) & the Hemi. LEON.

Where was you in March 1969 when I ordered my car through the PX in Bearcat South Vietnam? On the order sheet I could get a 383, 440 or HIME the reason I didn't get a HIME was because I couldn't get A/C with it. My order was sent to Hill Kelly Dodge here in Pensacola, when I came home in May the car was ready. If you where a true mopar person you would never say never. At the time it cost a 21 yro 30$ more a year for insurance on a 440 That's a lot of money when you only make 285$ a month. Sorry to mislead about when where order was placed that was a loong time ago.
Bone 7

73 Charger SE/ 318/391 stroker, 2500 Boss Hogg converter/ 391 sure grip.
07 Charger R/T

69CoronetRT

Quote from: maxwellwedge on August 26, 2009, 08:44:32 PM
Quote from: hemigeno on August 22, 2009, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: alcusswhen on August 22, 2009, 08:51:24 PM

I've owned 69 R/T SE sense may 11th 1969 it has air a four speed and a hime orange 440.

I think I'd like to see the fender tag from that car, alcusswhen... a 440 4-speed with air wasn't an officially-available combination.



I did see a car and buildsheet from a club member a few years ago on a factory built 383, 335, A/C 4-Speed '69 Coronet. Not that it really matters, the car came from Grand-Spaulding Dodge....but hey - maybe a zone rep or someone with some yank got it built.

Do you recall the engine assembly code?
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

alcusswhen

Quote from: 69_500 on August 26, 2009, 08:29:07 PM
Quote from: alcusswhen on August 22, 2009, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on August 10, 2009, 06:32:52 PM
Interesting, Never knew that :scratchchin:  LEON.

I've owned 69 R/T SE sense may 11th 1969 it has air a four speed and a hime orange 440.

So let me get this right. You ordered the car on May 9th, and picked it up May 11th? 2 days to process the order, and then to build the car and then deliver it. Hmmmm, yeah seems about the right amount of time. Then again what color is "HIME" orange?

No I cleared that up in my last post everything started at the PX in Bearcat South Vietnam in March 69.
Bone 7

73 Charger SE/ 318/391 stroker, 2500 Boss Hogg converter/ 391 sure grip.
07 Charger R/T

maxwellwedge

I'll look to see if I have any pics or paperwork - but that was 3 or 4 computers ago. I remember the fellows last name was Frazier and he was in Michigan and he passed away about 5 years ago.

Harper

alcusswhen,
are you still around?
I am not that far from you. Probably about 1 1/2 hours northwest.
1968 Dodge Charger
1969 Dodge Charger (GL Clone)
1951 F1 Ford 302 EFI, Automatic
1965 F100 Ford Straight 6, 3 speed on column (all original)