How much Daytona does $75,000 buy?

[xs29j8Bullitt]

if it is NOT for sale, then we should NOT be teased good sir!!  

No tease intended...  

It might be available as part of a multi-car trade for a turn-key real Daytona... or could eventually be for sale if I trade the Hemi `Cuda for a turn-key real Daytona...  

[hemi68charger]

if it is NOT for sale, then we should NOT be teased good sir!!  

No tease intended...  

It might be available as part of a multi-car trade for a turn-key real Daytona... or could eventually be for sale if I trade the Hemi `Cuda for a turn-key real Daytona...  

You never know....  stranger things have happened... Keep the faith........

[xs29j8Bullitt]

if it is NOT for sale, then we should NOT be teased good sir!!  

No tease intended...  

It might be available as part of a multi-car trade for a turn-key real Daytona... or could eventually be for sale if I trade the Hemi `Cuda for a turn-key real Daytona...  

You never know....  stranger things have happened... Keep the faith........

Well, worst case is I keep the `Cuda & Daytona... I could live with that...      (theres a little tease now  )

No value estimates... did I "stump-the-band"?     

[hemi68charger]

if it is NOT for sale, then we should NOT be teased good sir!!  

No tease intended...  

It might be available as part of a multi-car trade for a turn-key real Daytona... or could eventually be for sale if I trade the Hemi `Cuda for a turn-key real Daytona...  

You never know....  stranger things have happened... Keep the faith........

Well, worst case is I keep the `Cuda & Daytona... I could live with that...      (theres a little tease now  )

No value estimates... did I "stump-the-band"?     

You,,, Allen,,,, Mr. Mopar-of-Ft.Worth, give up the black '68?! Never..............

[xs29j8Bullitt]

if it is NOT for sale, then we should NOT be teased good sir!!  

No tease intended...  

It might be available as part of a multi-car trade for a turn-key real Daytona... or could eventually be for sale if I trade the Hemi `Cuda for a turn-key real Daytona...  

You never know....  stranger things have happened... Keep the faith........

Well, worst case is I keep the `Cuda & Daytona... I could live with that...      (theres a little tease now   )

No value estimates... did I "stump-the-band"?      

You,,, Allen,,,, Mr. Mopar-of-Ft.Worth, give up the black '68?! Never..............

    OMG... You mis-understood!!!  I never said keep only those two...  the three untouchables are Bullitt, SilveRR, & Ole Yeller.

[Mopar John]

xs29j8Bullitt,
 I havn't been on the site for a bit but will make an attempt to help you with a value on your Daytona! I had my earlier post with a starting value and then some percentages to come up with a number. After some healthy discussion with Troy who has a Daytona up for sale I have made some adjustments. I have put more detail in it because of the wide number of variables showing up. My point in all this, is that if we the owners come up with a formula we can help protect each other in buying and selling!! I am open to disussion and fine tuning on this!

$250,000.00 OE RESTORED base 440 auto no console 8 3/4 Daytona
+ 150% 426 HEMI engine ??
+ 12 1/2% 4 speed transmission
+ 2 1/2% Dana rear
+ 2 1/2% console shift
- 30% COMPLETE OE RESTORATION
-15% matching number block ( add back 10% warranty block with papers or 5% no papers or date code block )
-5% date coded engine components ( heads, intake, carb, dist, waterpump hsg, exhaust manifolds and starter )
-10% matching number transmission ( this was lowered for same reason as engine block )
-7 1/2% original broadcast sheet for car ( Should be worth more than fender tag! )
-5% original fender tag
-12 1/2% Daytona specific parts
      -3% original nose
      -2% nose internals and brackets
      -1% original Daytona hood
      -1% original Daytona fenders with scoops ( add back 1/2% 70 charger hood and fenders? )
      -1/2% windshield deflectors
      -1% rear window plug original
      -1/2% original rear glass
      -1% original rear window trim
      -1/2% original trunk lid
      -1 1/2% wing with supports
      -1/2% special Daytona scissors jack, handle and date coded bumper jack
-7 1/2% original sheetmetal
      -1% floor pans
      -1% trunk floor with extensions
      -1% rear valance with corners and taillight panel
      -1% quarter panel bottoms
      -1% firewall
      -1% frame rails
      -1% inner fenders
      -1/2% core support
-1% missing interior
-1/2% missing dash
-1% engine bay components including radiator
-5% vin??

  I will take a stab at the xs29j8Bullitt Daytona in a seperate post to follow!

[hemi68charger]

if it is NOT for sale, then we should NOT be teased good sir!!  

No tease intended...  

It might be available as part of a multi-car trade for a turn-key real Daytona... or could eventually be for sale if I trade the Hemi `Cuda for a turn-key real Daytona...  

You never know....  stranger things have happened... Keep the faith........

Well, worst case is I keep the `Cuda & Daytona... I could live with that...      (theres a little tease now   )

No value estimates... did I "stump-the-band"?      

You,,, Allen,,,, Mr. Mopar-of-Ft.Worth, give up the black '68?! Never..............

    OMG... You mis-understood!!!  I never said keep only those two...  the three untouchables are Bullitt, SilveRR, & Ole Yeller.

That's what I thought.......

[Mopar John]

So here I go with the xs29j8Bullitt Daytona -

2 1/2% console shift?
5% date coded block
5% date coded engine components?
5% original fender tag
7 1/2% original Daytona components?
   3% NOS nose
   1/2% internals
   1/2% 70 Charger hood/fender add back
   1/2% deflectors
   1/2% rear glass
   1% rear window trim
   1% rear plug
   1 1/2% rear wing
4% original sheetmetal
   1% floor pans
   1% trunk floor with extensions
   1% rear valance with taillight panel
   1% rear quarters
1% interior
1/2% dash
5% vin
Total = 35 1/2% = $88,750.00 Subject to the date coded engine components, console shift and Daytona parts!
Let me know what you guys think! I'll be back late tonight!

[hemi68charger]

Troy,
You have your car for sale on Moparts and recently reduced the price from $175,000 to $165,000 to move it. I understand your trying to move up to a 4 speed car? If you use my value and numbers am I in the ballpark on your asking price?  
Mopar John

Hey John..
I haven't broken down your numbers on my car yet. We would probably differ though for I would place more emphasis on the fender tag and broadcast sheet over the original block (that's just me). The block can't tell you anything about the car other than it's a Daytona, but the fender tag and/or broadcast sheet can tell you everything about the car sans color of the wing/stripe.

But, roughly speaking on your original percentage breakdown:

-30% OE GOLD restoration
-25% matching engine complete ( block and all date coded parts ) - I'll give 15% since my motor has proper components sans original block.
-15% matching transmission

30% + 15% + 15% = 60% >>> 60% - 100% = 40% of $250,000 = $100,000  ( don't think so )

Since my car is a lot further down the road as far as condition, I can't say the 30%, my car's current condition of an older restoration and turn-key has value.... So, if I add the 30% OE to Allen's $88K minus some dinero since mine's not OE, then I would think it would be in the 160 to 165K, where I'm asking..

taggin' back....
Troy

[Aero426]

With very few exceptions (ultra rare color & equipment), I don't think there is a 440 Daytona capable of pulling 250k today.   Additionally,  I also do not think you can get your money back on the full restoration costs, particularly if you are going "all the way".   Just like a home improvement, some things you'll get more back than others.   So I think it's more than the simple math.

You can look at benchmarks of cars that have traded.   Were they low or high?   Then, where do the cars in question fall?  

At the end of the day, you can "value" a car at whatever price, but when it comes to a sale, a buyer still has to appear and put their hand up.    At the moment, there seems to be a shortage of people willing to buy at a retail number.   For these cars, it is probably still a better time to "hold" than to sell.  

[FJ5WING]

this Daytona market is crazy!

Im glad Im into the lowly superbird. JK! I wish I picked up a Daytona back then instead,although I guess I didnt because I liked the high impact colors of the birds.

[hemi68charger]

this Daytona market is crazy!

Im glad Im into the lowly superbird. JK! I wish I picked up a Daytona back then instead,although I guess I didnt because I liked the high impact colors of the birds.

Rats,, you should have gotten a V2 'Tona.....

[3--Daytona]

Hey,, Troy,,,,,,,nascar29  all you  educated value experts,,,, got a question?? --- give me some kind of a value of my black Daytona?   It's NOT FOR SALE   I've been ask a lot of times,,,,,just curious,,,,,,

[moparstuart]

Hey,, Troy,,,,,,,nascar29  all you  educated value experts,,,, got a question?? --- give me some kind of a value of my black Daytona?   It's NOT FOR SALE   I've been ask a lot of times,,,,,just curious,,,,,,

i'm going to go with johns price of 250k    dont take a penny less   

[FJ5WING]

Rats,, you should have gotten a V2 'Tona.....

hey Troy,

I did try to swindle....I mean get a guy to sell me his daytona which come to think of was a twin to yours. He was the original owner out of Richmond and using the daytona as a regular driver around 1987ish. it was a mess for sure but he said it would never be for sale.

[hemi68charger]

Hey,, Troy,,,,,,,nascar29  all you  educated value experts,,,, got a question?? --- give me some kind of a value of my black Daytona?   It's NOT FOR SALE   I've been ask a lot of times,,,,,just curious,,,,,,

Hey Jim, me an expert?.... naaaaaa, I just observe, have knowledge on how rare these are (albeit, if I were you, I wouldn't be talking rarity with 3 of them   )

Seriously, these are rare cars in any condition. But, having seen yours, seen others of similar and lesser condition, I'd say your was worth every penny of $200 - 250K. I based this on the market of the bigtime brokers like BestofShowAuto, various ads throughout the years and my own personal experience. I do know, that it is ALL RELATIVE to what people will pay or that "one-in-a-million". Then again, I could be totally off. I would be hard pressed to even contemplate what Geno's would be worth. Vance and Geno have done nothing short of creating a Leonardo da Vinci equivalent in Mopar art. It's a masterpiece.

Troy

[Mopar John]

3--Daytona,
Having put my thoughts on the post I'm with moparstuart $250,000 and not a penny less. Yours is at the top of heap of the 440 cars. I am assuming matching numbers besides my observations of the car parked close by at Tim and Pams museum. Well done and the color combonation won't hurt things either!! Hope your doing well!
Mopar John

[Davtona]

Not trying to step on any toes here but here is my 

Putting a set price schedule on Daytona's such as this I'm not sure it fits all the time. With this formula my original unrestored Daytona is worth what Troy is asking for his if I understand your formula correctly. It is an F-6 440 car with numbers matching motor and transmission and all original components. Original 8 ¾ rear end, complete with fender tag & correct build sheet. Nose is original complete as is trunk lid and rear glass. Front fenders are 70 Charger but I have a NOS set of 70 Charger fenders to go on the car. Rear quarters need work at the bottom but an NOS set is planned for the car also. Console car also for what it's worth. Basically it is a complete original car that has never been restored but not a true "survivor" either. Car is complete and original with the exceptions being the front fenders and wheels and tires. Even has its original K frame air seal. But it needs restored and I would not rate it as high as Troy's in its current condition. But with this schedule if I am computing properly it's in the 165K range. Basically just deduct the 30% from 250K for not having been restored. Deduct another 3 to 5% if you want because I will replace quarters that could be reworked and incorrect 70 fenders with NOS pieces. I myself don't see the logic in a deduction for that.

I agree with Doug also I don't think these cars are selling in the 250K range right now. When the economy turns around yes but I don't think that price is commonplace now. Also saying a restored Daytona is worth 250k makes every restored Daytona worth 250k in most peoples mind. There are different levels of restoration. As Troy said where does Gene's car fall into this serenario. Having seen the car several times during its restoration I can vouch for the level of work, money and time spent to come up with day one correct parts when reproductions that are close are readily available. I mean how many guys spend 9 months having rubber made for nose air seals because the reproductions are not correct and then replace them with a NOS set. Basically Daytona's are worth what a willing buyer and seller arrive at for a price.

[maxwellwedge]

What kind of Daytona does $75,000 get me these days??

About 6000 of these!  

[69charger2002]

i personally think wing cars will get back under 6 figures one day when baby boomers and investors leave the scene. certain examples certainly will always fetch more than 6 figures, but there will be "driver" quality daytonas under 100k in a few years, just watch. 2 years ago no one would have thought you could ever get any wing car for under 100k again. there are already plenty of superbirds for sale in the $70-80k range. and not selling.... just my  
i know i wouldn't spend $200k on a daytona right now to stare at in the garage and drive around once every few months hoping in 10 years i may turn a profit on it.. no thanks

just wait a couple years, $75000 may get you more than you think.... once the initial "seller shock" of "damn my car's not worth $250k anymore" wears off..

[3--Daytona]

I    think my grandfathers old rule would apply here very well   It's worth what two fools can agree on!!!!!!

[xs29j8Bullitt]

I    think my grandfathers old rule would apply here very well   It's worth what two fools can agree on!!!!!!

Reminds me of when someone told Charles Chesier that he turned down a large amount of money for his car (far more than it was worth)... came the reply back "Well son, that's where two fools parted company!"  

[hemi68charger]

I    think my grandfathers old rule would apply here very well   It's worth what two fools can agree on!!!!!!

Yeap, as long as they are rare, they will always hold "relative" value. Hence, the law of economics kicks in, "Supply and Demand". If those two fools walk away happy, that's all that matters.........

Troy

[Charger-Bodie]

I personally don't think that the "in vogue" Mopar craze really applies to the wing cars as much as it does other cars. People have had groups and organizations for them for many many years. They are just more special. Now ,where they affected by the rising tide lifts all boat effect? Yes But they will never be dime a dozen cars. IMO

[Mopar John]

 Some recent Daytona parts sales have had me thinking about this post!
1) Daytona rear window trim set on EBAY $2,500! This was right in line on what I was thinking.
    The problem was that they didn't look right and was a private bid format so you don't know
    what happened? If they were correct what would they have gone for?

2) Daytona rear wing with no braces on Moparts $4,500! This sold real quick even though there
    were no wing braces and the mounting studs loooked short to some. Complete with braces
    would put it even higher than what I'd thought!

3) Not a Daytona parts sale but an in depth discussion on BROADCAST SHEETS or TRACKING
    SHEETS on Moparts. In the discussion it is stated that there is proof that some cars never
    had a sheet when it left the factory! There is a lot of backing on a broadcast sheet being of
    extra or bonus points in judging! Maybe the same should apply in appraisals?