EPA Superbird for sale

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http://www.jameslist.com/advert/190571/for-sale-plymouth-superbird

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[maxwellwedge]

Doesn't turn my crank at all.............Why 2 charging systems? One for the normal system and the other for the equipment? 

[nascarxx29]

Why wouldnt they just use 1   100 amp alternator

[Troy]

It was for sale at Carlisle a couple years ago right? Still hasn't sold I guess. Probably has something to do with the price having too many zeros...

Troy

[Ghoste]

Perhaps.  How many zeros should there be I wonder?  Last I heard (heard being the key word) they wouldn't take less than a 1/4 million and expected far more.  IIRC, atone time they wanted into the millions for it?

[68X426]

They wanted $3,000,000 in 2009 (as an opening bid  ). I remember an article somewhere (a local paper in Connecticut?) that said it was appraised at $4 million. Right.

http://www.bangshift.com/blog/HIstoric-EPA-Superbird-Restored-Opening-Bid-for-Private-Auction-Sale-3-Million.html

[Brock Samson]

 very cool..
An interesting car for sure... seems like it should be in the Smithsonian or something rather than a private collection IMO. Anyone remember that Chrysler gave up the pursuit of marketing a Turbine Car (the Charger) to pursue Clean Air Standards? 

[moparstuart]

 Cool car but hard to believe it will ever bring very much more then any other bird .   Nichols Engineering name may have a little added value but not millions 

[Richard Cranium]

Looks to be the first vehicle with a fart-can exhaust.

[62 Max]

Too many shifter options,

[69_500]

Would be a neat conversation piece to have in the garage, but it doesn't excite me personally.

[moparstuart]

Too many shifter options,

I wonder why they(or ray) opted to delete the pistol grip  

[1969chargerrtse]

Too many shifter options,

I wonder why they(or ray) opted to delete the pistol grip  

Dang I was just gonna ask that.
I just got one of those mint 1/8 SuperBird models and the shifter looks like a T handle? Wondered on that also.

Just found this in the ad of how it was restored. " •1969 Road Runner Shifter (Nichels) "

[1969chargerrtse]

This was in the 2009 article and makes great sense.

"Written by King Matt
Jul 27 2009


I'll admit I'm not real current with values in today's muscle car collector market, but it seems like the seller is tacking on at least a couple million bucks for the "story," which to me at least, ain't all that cool. I'd rather have a car with race history--ANY race "

[66FBCharger]

Was there a price listed? I didn't see it.
The story behind the car is cool, but doesn't add too much value to the car for me. Just my opinion.

[Ghoste]

They want you to call for the punchline.

[69_500]

I will admit that I"m glad they restored it to the way it was for the EPA, rather than to factory specs though. If your looking for a silver lining that to me is one. Kind of like how I would like to see more of the Aero cars still wearing their funky paint schemes they had in the early 80's.

[Richard Cranium]

The guy's missing his pocket protector.

[Aero426]

The guy in the car is John Moran who was the EPA administrator that oversaw the project.   A couple years earlier, John worked for Dow Chemical.  Remember the sponsorship of the #99 Daytona?    John was involved in that deal as well.   So it is no coincidence that Ray Nichels wound up getting the contract on the EPA car.   Today, we would probably label this as a government "pork" project.   At the time, it was much needed business for Nichels as the deal with Chrysler had been taken from him and given to Petty as part of their deal to return to Plymouth.

The EPA car is pretty darn cool, IMO.  It's real and documented.   Probably not the car a single Bird collector would own, but definitely a bookend piece for an advanced collector.   I say $200k tops today in a room of buyers who have been to the bidders bar a few times.

[1969chargerrtse]

The guy in the car is John Moran who was the EPA administrator that oversaw the project.   A couple years earlier, John worked for Dow Chemical.  Remember the sponsorship of the #99 Daytona?    John was involved in that deal as well.   So it is no coincidence that Ray Nichels wound up getting the contract on the EPA car.   Today, we would probably label this as a government "pork" project.   At the time, it was much needed business for Nichels as the deal with Chrysler had been taken from him and given to Petty as part of their deal to return to Plymouth.

The EPA car is pretty darn cool, IMO.  It's real and documented.  Probably not the car a single Bird collector would own, but definitely a bookend piece for an advanced collector.   I say $200k tops today in a room of buyers who have been to the bidders bar a few times.

Interesting and you're probably close on the value.  Imagine just a year ago it was listed for 3 million!  
I wonder how much the restoration cost?  Looks like they did a super detailed correct job, and that is never ever cheap.  Not for me though.

[Aero426]

I wonder why they(or ray) opted to delete the pistol grip  

The pistol grip is a nice gimmick and looks great, but is a little clunkier to operate in a performance situation.   The white ball is what Nichels would use on a race car.

[Sean]

up for sale again

[LeeBoy]

I wonder why they(or ray) opted to delete the pistol grip  

The pistol grip is a nice gimmick and looks great, but is a little clunkier to operate in a performance situation.   The white ball is what Nichels would use on a race car.

Looks like the pistol grip may have interfered with the aircraft radio mounted in the dash

[WB General Lee]

It has a bid at 300,000. Not sure I can believe it. Noone in their right mind would pay that in this economy in my opinion.

[Ghoste]

I'm inclined to agree with you but then again, someone was fool enough to buy that fake Bobby Allison Daytona.

[Aero426]

I'm inclined to agree with you but then again, someone was fool enough to buy that fake Bobby Allison Daytona.

Although the Allison car appeared as "sold" on camera,  I am told by someone present at the auction that the "deal did not go through".   

[Ghoste]

That's encouraging at least (although I would bet it will appear again sooner than later).