How many '69 500s were actually built???

[nascarxx29]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,40155.msg443168.html#msg443168. But then you see same vin cars going to two different dealers.as these NJ 69 Charger 500/s.Right there is a inaccurate accounting
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January 5, 2000

G. T .S. Route 1, Box 322K 37002 Sand Burr Lane Prairie du Chien, WI 53821-9801

gvgovier@mhtc.net
www.gvgovier.com



Dear David,

Hope you had a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Received your letter and I will answer
your questions.   .
1. I have seen that Warranty Validation sticker before. I had a 1969 Charger RT and it was on the
   door jamb where the oil change stickers usually go.
2. I do not have a Dealer Name for # 57097. The next batch I send in I will inquire. My contact is a bit
   behind on requests because he is very busy at Chrysler or should I say Daimler-Chrysler.
3. Here is a list of all 1969 500.s Charger sold new in New Jersey:



COAST DODGE INC   1201 Main Street   Ashbury Park   NJ   XX29L9B152199        
ED VAN NESS MOTORS INC   770 Fairview Avenue   Fairview   NJ   XX29L9B210711        
FREEHOLD DODGE INC   Lakewood Road   Freehold   NJ   XX29L9B152198        
NEMITH CIRCLE DODGE INC   821 New Loudon Rd   Latham   NJ   XX29L9B199669        
NEWARK DODGE INC   11-21 Sussex Avenue   Newark   NJ   XX29L9B162292        
            XX29L9B21710        
NORTH PLAINFIELD DODGE INC   555 Somerset Street   North Plainfield   NJ   XX29L9B144160        
            XX29L9B146045        
            XX29L9B162291        
DE MAIO OODGE INC   36 Main Street   Orange   NJ   XX29L9B162292        
LABRIOLA MOTORS INC   120 E. Newman Springs Road   Red Bank   NJ   XX29L9B150548        
FOWLER MOTORS INC.   Route #15   Searta   NJ   XX29L9B144173        
RIDGE DODGE INC   85 Route #17   Woodridge   NJ   XX29L9B162294   

[Alaskan_TA]

2. I do not have a Dealer Name for # 57097. The next batch I send in I will inquire.

57097   Van Ness Dodge Inc. 1595 Van Ness Ave San Francisco Ca

[nascarxx29]

#27                               Found a few on the web these accounted for
1969 Charger 500
XX29J9B138602
B5 blue, B4 blue int, currently has a 440 in it, dressed as a
1969 Dodge Charger 500
#29
XX29J9B
robl@acronet.net
F8 Dark Green F8 interior, auto trans
Daytona, 7700 orig miles, disc brake car, 6 way seat
dartgts@bellsouth.net
# 51
1969 Hemi Charger 500
XX29J9B 210xxx

Name: Chris Perry
Email: Sutton@dancris.com

69,000 original miles all matching drivetrain.  4-speed, 3:54 Dana
# 58
1969 Dodge Charger 500
VIN: XX29J9B******
Email: ben@sonshinestudios.com

30,550 original miles. Color is dark green with black stripes, automatic
on floor, gold/green bucket seats, tinted windows, PS, PDB (front only.)
Styled steel wheels.  Not running, missing original engine would like to
find it.

[69_500]

Dave I believe that 3 of the cars you posted about are owned by members of this board.

[nascarxx29]

Im always looking around for the undiscovered.Would be nice some day to see this #537 69 charger 500 shiplist .Like the daytonas have

[Ghoste]

Of course to date, Galen is the only one who has ever seen the sacred secret list.     Yeah, he's all about advancing the hobby isn't he?

[Aero426]

What it sounds like Galen has is the list of cars and dealers referenced in Bill France's telegram to Ford racing boss Jacque Passino, which called out 540 cars.   Link below.

http://www.superbirdclub.com/C500Passino.html

[69_500]

Well what I can say for certain is that there are heck of a lot more than the number of HEMI cars that he list in that letter.

[maxwellwedge]

Of course to date, Galen is the only one who has ever seen the sacred secret list.     Yeah, he's all about advancing the hobby isn't he?

 

[nascarxx29]

The list of 500 dealers and cars he mentioned .Is consistant with my page of NJ cars as they have the same car going to 2 different dealers

DE MAIO DODGE INC   36 Main Street   Orange   NJ   XX29L9B162292       
NEWARK DODGE INC   11-21 Sussex Avenue   Newark   NJ   XX29L9B162292       
           

[69_500]

Dave I believe that one the sheets that you have for NJ though, it also has some cars listed as both 440 cars and HEMI cars. IE same VIN other than the "J" or "L".

[nascarxx29]

 You suppose it was done for the holmogation requirements .Numbers of dealers required X number of cars .And by 2 cars at different dealers .Same vins different engine codes etc.That was the intended purpose??.I was interested to see if my friends B5 blue AC 500 originated from NJ.And the list had no Hemi cars on it .But my friends 500 came from MO later we found out.Dave Patik gave us our first clue when he seen the anti freeze decal.Said it was different  .And I tracked down the 2 past owners.And it sold from Shelby Mo E & E Equupment

[nascarxx29]

Dave I believe that one the sheets that you have for NJ though, it also has some cars listed as both 440 cars and HEMI cars. IE same VIN other than the "J" or "L".

I hear what your saying about the switched engine letters .I seen it mentioned before by Hemi geno on this hemi daytona.I had copy of its sheet 3 computers ago located the copy.   Hemi geno replied  did you notice that the VIN on this T5 car was listed incorrectly on the Dealer Shipping List as a 440 car (XX29L9B)?  I have to make that correction to a "J" on my spreadsheets, although I would have been very reluctant to have done so without seeing the Broadcast Sheet or the VIN tag.  I also thought the car was pretty awesome - and it's probably a One-of-One car with that combo. 
XX29J9B409075

[FJMG]

   Nascarxx29, that almost lookas like it would be a twin to the car that has been on the auction block a few times and is now being restored again?

[69_500]

I'm not sure if the list was done up for any reason. The only thing I can logically think of  that the list of the "reported" 548 cars being made is solely for the list Doug mentioned that was supposed to show  the Ford company that they had indeed made the required 500+ units to use it in NASCAR. Which to me also means that they knew well enough to know that there was no way in the world they were going to travel around to all of the reported dealerships to see if those cars were actually there. I'd guess to the say that the list shows pretty accurately what cars went to say the Detroit area dealerships, and which ones went to the NC dealerships as well. But what were the odds that either Ford, or France was going to go to NJ or Montana, or even California to check to see if those cars were actually at those dealerships or if those cars were even made? They might have checked the local dealerships, but honestly I don't even think they did that much checking.

[Aero426]

I'm not sure if the list was done up for any reason. The only thing I can logically think of  that the list of the "reported" 548 cars being made is solely for the list Doug mentioned that was supposed to show  the Ford company that they had indeed made the required 500+ units to use it in NASCAR. Which to me also means that they knew well enough to know that there was no way in the world they were going to travel around to all of the reported dealerships to see if those cars were actually there. I'd guess to the say that the list shows pretty accurately what cars went to say the Detroit area dealerships, and which ones went to the NC dealerships as well. But what were the odds that either Ford, or France was going to go to NJ or Montana, or even California to check to see if those cars were actually at those dealerships or if those cars were even made? They might have checked the local dealerships, but honestly I don't even think they did that much checking.

The list would have been originally supplied to ACCUS, which is the Automobile Competition Committee for the United States.   ACCUS was the umbrella organization responsible for overseeing all racing in North America and would work with the various sanctioning bodies and manufacturers.   They were also responsible to making sure the minimum production runs had been completed.    The ACCUS memo to their board of directors dated 1/13/69 states that Lin Kuchler of NASCAR spot checked the first batch of 250 Charger 500s, and that ACCUS Technical Director John Oliveau would verify the second batch of 250 cars the following day.

[maxwellwedge]

ACCUS is still around    http://www.accusfia.us/ 

Wonder if they keep all their old records?   

[nascarxx29]

Didnt know if this helps but aside from ACCUS. Ive seen described as ACCUSFIA.I searched under and saw this site
http://www.nasarallysport.com/usac-accus.php

[nascarxx29]

I searched a stack of old race newspapers .Thought there was something about ACCUS and a 69 charger 500.Didnt find exactly what I was looking for.But it appears to be the Jerry Service Prototype 500 with 68 marker lights.And something about The 500 will be powered by a 426 Hemi   { Just below the 430 cid limit now allowable for NASCA competetion

[Ghoste]

What wheels are on the car in that pic?

[tan top]

good picture ..never seen that one before ....

What wheels are on the car in that pic?

could they be KH recall wheels
 
 

[nascarxx29]

Not sure very skinny trim rings maybe Recalls.The autoracing newspaper was Jan 4 1969
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,20047.0.html

[Ghoste]

I was wondering about the K-H, so the wheels were likely added after the car was converted to a 500, correct?  I'd need to look at my pics but the car wears Road Wheels (Magnum 500) today does it not?

[nascarxx29]

If it had started off with recalls.It got changed out to those polara type wheel covers.Is what I recall seeing on Mike Russos 500

[Ghoste]

Yeah that former Russo car is still sporting those deluxe Dodge wheelcovers.