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MOPAR JOHNS EK2 SUPERBIRD RESTORATION!!

Started by Mopar John, June 05, 2011, 06:13:07 PM

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aerolith

What a wonderful thread John! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:

12 years in the making and maybe 'never to be repeated again'?

I've done some 'serious' Bodywork on some very fine Mopars but this is mind-blowing stuff indeed.

Removing the rear quarters/tail panel to fit a one piece trunk pan floor is pure genius... :slap:

Only teasing John, from Limey John... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Never send to know, for whom the bell tolls,
IT TOLLS FOR THEE...

John Donne 1623

472 R/T SE

Mr. Mopar John.  Will you be at next years Carlisle?


Mopar John

Quote from: aerolith on May 28, 2022, 03:47:49 PM
What a wonderful thread John! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:

12 years in the making and maybe 'never to be repeated again'?

I've done some 'serious' Bodywork on some very fine Mopars but this is mind-blowing stuff indeed.

Removing the rear quarters/tail panel to fit a one piece trunk pan floor is pure genius... :slap:

Only teasing John, from Limey John... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
aerolith,
Thanks for the comments!
I do want to add that the 1 piece trunk floor was an original Chrysler stamping out of a rust free donor car!
Not many of those to be found any more.
MJ

Mopar John

Quote from: 472 R/T SE on May 28, 2022, 08:53:05 PM
Mr. Mopar John.  Will you be at next years Carlisle?


472 R/T SE,
I will not be at Carlisle this year or next year!
I have only made the haul out there once in 2016 for the Superbird OE judging.
The way we were treated there after purchasing a $500.00 entry I have NO reason to go back!
MJ

Mopar John

                                                                 SUPERBIRD REAR BRAKE WHEEL CYLINDERS PART 2!
   Almost a year ago now I was browsing on EBAY and noticed a bunch of NOS assembly line wheel cylinders.
I scanned the listings to see if there were any for our Daytona's or Superbird's?
Well I got lucky and purchased a casting number 3461776 rear wheel cylinder that was correct for the Superbird.
Since there was a bunch of different parts listed I sent a message to see if there were any more?
Well the seller got back with me and said he had another 3461776 that was missing the internals on 1 side.
So I bought it and now had a pair and I show them in my first picture.
I took the complete one apart on one side to see what original parts were missing?
I show that in my second and third pictures.
Then I searched my spare brake parts stash and found the correct spring
along with the inner and outer boots and show the progress in my fourth picture.
So the only original item I'm missing is the 15/16" piston with part number 325 cast into it.
The factory part number for that piston is 2260843.
If anyone has a junk original wheel cylinder with that piston or an NOS one
I would like to buy it to complete my original wheel cylinder.
I show that piston in my fifth picture.
The last picture shows an original outer boot close up with the factory part number 2881618 molded into it.
Enjoy! MJ

Impkidd

  John, here are my nos wheel cylinders. One has the Chrysler boots 2881618, and the other Wagner Lockheed. So, did the installers at the factory have boxes on each side of the car with two different types of 'assembled' wheel cylinders to be installed? This brings up a question on the actual wheel cylinder bolts, if you like to know...
   My car has mismatched-marked, bolt heads on one side, and the same kind of marked head pair on the other? All four have the same star washers. Bolts in pic left to right, are marked B&H, M, N under L, N under L. And a repro bolt marked E.
   And pics of the MCACN 700 mile Superbird bolts. Not the same bolt heads per side either...?? Interesting investigating.

hemi68charger

Looking good John !!! Been so out of touch.... I didn't realize you were restoring your Bird....  I thought you had already done this......

Troy
Troy
'69 Charger Daytona 440 auto 4.10 Dana ( now 426 HEMI )
'70 Superbird 426 Hemi auto: Lindsley Bonneville Salt Flat world record holder (220.2mph)
Houston Mopar Club Connection

Mopar John

Quote from: Impkidd on February 08, 2023, 01:48:57 PM
  John, here are my nos wheel cylinders. One has the Chrysler boots 2881618, and the other Wagner Lockheed. So, did the installers at the factory have boxes on each side of the car with two different types of 'assembled' wheel cylinders to be installed? This brings up a question on the actual wheel cylinder bolts, if you like to know...
   My car has mismatched-marked, bolt heads on one side, and the same kind of marked head pair on the other? All four have the same star washers. Bolts in pic left to right, are marked B&H, M, N under L, N under L. And a repro bolt marked E.
   And pics of the MCACN 700 mile Superbird bolts. Not the same bolt heads per side either...?? Interesting investigating.

Rob,
The same wheel cylinder casting was used for a few years after our Superbirds were built!
The Wagner Lockheed parts started to show up a bit later so your wheel cylinders even though
they are NOS they may have been made a bit later.
Thanks for adding the details on the bolt heads for the wheel cylinders!
Now I am going to have to crawl under mine and see what those look like?
Thanks for replying with more info! MJ

Mopar John

Quote from: hemi68charger on February 08, 2023, 02:26:29 PM
Looking good John !!! Been so out of touch.... I didn't realize you were restoring your Bird....  I thought you had already done this......

Troy
Troy,
The pictures from the top of the page are from years ago!
The Superbird was restored during the 2013-2015 time frame.
I continue to work on details of the car as I can.
I just started work on these wheel cylinders and thought I would share the info.
Looks like you have been busy with your new HEMI bird!
Thanks! MJ

Mopar John

Rob,
I have attached a picture of what I think the logo looks like on the low mile Superbird at the MCACN show.
These would be the non shoulder ones.
The logo and the tooth washers will help find these in coffee cans full of hardware!
MJ

birdsandbees

Here's the originals on mine... "anchors".
1970 'Bird RM23UOA170163
1969 'Bee WM21H9A230241
1969 Dart Swinger LM23P9B190885
1967 Plymouth Barracuda Formula S
1966 Plymouth Satellite HP2 - 9941 original miles
1964 Dodge 440 62422504487

Impkidd

You may have a matching pair on your car. The line lead from back in the day, may have came back from lunch break, and the crew started using the same brand of bolts out of the correct basket... When the cats away, the mice will play.

Mopar John

                Assembly Line Correct NOS Wheel Valve Stem Extensions!
When we restored our Superbird we looked for some NOS wheel valve stem extensions.
In my first 2 attached pictures I show the 1970-71 parts book pages.
You will notice that 2660315 is the part number for the valve stem extensions.
I was able to find a set of 4 NOS extensions and installed them on our Superbird.
The 3rd picture shows them installed.
These turn out to be the later more common superceded over the counter parts.
I have noticed on some Superbirds and even recently on one of the low mileage survivors
that the extensions were not installed and look like my 4th picture.
The information I have seen says that the extensions were supplied in a plastic bag
in the trunk with the trim rings for our Superbirds and up to dealer prep to install them.
I believe this would lead to all different scenarios!
So that leads me up to a few months ago when I found out that the assembly line
NOS valve stem extensions should have had a small hole in the center of the white core. WOW!
So I started looking for assembly line valve stem extensions for part number 2660315.
I discussed this with fellow Superbird owner Rob Kidd at the Indy Mopar Swap Meet.
Rob is working on a Superbird restoration and spending a great deal of time
looking for correct parts for his Superbird.
It wasn't long after I spoke with him about the valve stem extensions that he sent me a link.
I was able to buy a set of 4 NOS assembly line correct 2660315 valve stem extensions!
I show them still in the factory sealed bag in my 5th picture.
This is the bag that would have been in the trunk of our Superbirds.
My last picture shows the end of the stems with the small hole in the centers!
I would like to thank Rob for helping me find the correct extensions
and being able to add another correct detail to the restoration!
MJ

Impkidd

You're welcome John! Investigating the details is a hobby in itself. You've been a great source of information and spare parts from your restoration.  :2thumbs:

Mopar John

                          ORIGINAL SUPERBIRD WASHER BOTTLE!
Recently a friend of mine got in touch with me an informed me that he had purchased a very nice original washer bottle. He asked me what date code that I was looking for? So I went to my Superbird parts stash and told him that my original bottle was dated the 274th day of 1969. So I told him I would go a bit earlier and up to 45 days
( 319 9 ) later with and early December assembly date. My first picture shows the 274 9 date on my original bottle. He checks his bottle and gets back with me and tells me that he has the same date of 274 9! WOW!
Needless to say I ended up purchasing that bottle. My second picture shows the date on that bottle. The reason I was so excited is that the closest I could come up to this point was an NOS bottle that was dated 145 0. I got a deduction for this by the engine compartment judge at Carlisle because the date was after the car was built.
So I can now cross another deduction off my shrinking list! My third picture shows the 145 0 bottle installed and the just purchased 274 9 bottle for comparison and how nice it looks! My fourth picture again shows the the 145 0 bottle installed and the original 274 9 original bottle for comparison. My last picture shows the recently purchased original 274 9 bottle installed!
MJ


bannedbird

John, my bird has "OK" wax or crayon on the drivers headlight bucket.  Was this factory or added sometime after car delivery?

thx - SB Steve
- Superbird Steve - Chicago
1970 A13 E86 D32 B5 H2XW w/GIII, ITB, 6L85

Mopar John

Steve,
 It is my opinion that this was a verification that the vacuum system test of the headlights was "OK".
The vacuum line connectors for the nose was near there on that side.
I assume this would have been done when the nose assembly was complete and not yet installed.
MJ

KurtfromLaQuinta

There's so much detail here my head hurts.  :icon_smile_big:

Great over the top job M. John!

Mopar John

Quote from: KurtfromLaQuinta on October 15, 2023, 06:06:16 PMThere's so much detail here my head hurts.  :icon_smile_big:

Great over the top job M. John!
Thanks!
A lot of original details have been highlighted along the way.
MJ

70gtx440dana

John - The bottle looks great on your Bird!  Glad I could help you with another hard to find part. It looks perfectly at home for such a nice original bottle.  Joe

Quote from: Mopar John on August 08, 2023, 04:22:58 PMORIGINAL SUPERBIRD WASHER BOTTLE!
Recently a friend of mine got in touch with me an informed me that he had purchased a very nice original washer bottle. He asked me what date code that I was looking for? So I went to my Superbird parts stash and told him that my original bottle was dated the 274th day of 1969. So I told him I would go a bit earlier and up to 45 days
( 319 9 ) later with and early December assembly date. My first picture shows the 274 9 date on my original bottle. He checks his bottle and gets back with me and tells me that he has the same date of 274 9! WOW!
Needless to say I ended up purchasing that bottle. My second picture shows the date on that bottle. The reason I was so excited is that the closest I could come up to this point was an NOS bottle that was dated 145 0. I got a deduction for this by the engine compartment judge at Carlisle because the date was after the car was built.
So I can now cross another deduction off my shrinking list! My third picture shows the 145 0 bottle installed and the just purchased 274 9 bottle for comparison and how nice it looks! My fourth picture again shows the the 145 0 bottle installed and the original 274 9 original bottle for comparison. My last picture shows the recently purchased original 274 9 bottle installed!
MJ
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