Anyone have some pics of Sparton Hi-Lo horns installed on a 70 Charger? Not sure exactly of the location or what mounting holes to use. Thanks. :-\
at a side of radiator ( passenger side ON ENGINE BAY ). You'll find the nuts attached to radiator core support and the key hole at a side.
Thanks for the response Nacho. I wasn't looking at the radiator support. That helps! :2thumbs:
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Perfect pic. What is that relay for? Is this pic off a 70 Charger?
thats the horn relay , can't remember what the picture is from!! its a second generation though !! save it along time ago , can't even remember why now :-\ :scratchchin: , the horn bolts go in it to welded rectangle nuts on core support :yesnod:
Yes thats the horn relay....same as on a '70
Heres my '69
I haven't seen any Spartan horns on any Chargers - all Prestolite - but I have seen them on other (predominantly St. Louis built) B-Bodies. But I haven't seen 1/2% of all built. Anyone have (original to the car) Spartans? Just a little slightly off-topic curiosity.
My 70 didn't have any horns when I got the car so that's why I have questions. I got the Spartons off of eBay. Not sure if they are correct, but figured it didn't matter for my driver. I just checked my M&H wiring harness and it does not have a relay connection at the horn location, just the two green wires for the horns. Could the horn relay be under the dash on the 70's? It is on my E-Body. I guess NAPA carries the horn relays?
yes, 70s have it on dash frame below the cluster
Thanks Nacho :2thumbs:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on September 28, 2009, 09:46:33 AM
I haven't seen any Spartan horns on any Chargers - all Prestolite - but I have seen them on other (predominantly St. Louis built) B-Bodies. But I haven't seen 1/2% of all built. Anyone have (original to the car) Spartans? Just a little slightly off-topic curiosity.
So they only used prestolite? That is the horn I have on my 69. Is there a way of figuring out if they were the original ones on my car?
Quote from: mysil bergsprekken on November 30, 2011, 03:18:54 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on September 28, 2009, 09:46:33 AM
I haven't seen any Spartan horns on any Chargers - all Prestolite - but I have seen them on other (predominantly St. Louis built) B-Bodies. But I haven't seen 1/2% of all built. Anyone have (original to the car) Spartans? Just a little slightly off-topic curiosity.
So they only used prestolite? That is the horn I have on my 69. Is there a way of figuring out if they were the original ones on my car?
horns have a date code on them, but may be buried under paint.
this a 1969 and I am pretty sure they are Prestolites, I remember they were in fact dated correct for this car.
They sure do look very similar to mine. I will look at what numbers that are one there, get a picture as well. I definately have prestolites, because I can recall it is spelled right out on both of them.
Yup - Bill's pic is showing the Prestolite horns.....and the nice correct, properly plated horn bolts as well...
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on September 28, 2009, 10:58:17 PM
yes, 70s have it on dash frame below the cluster
Right! '68 & '69 the horn relay was located on the rad support. In '70 it was moved under the dash.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 30, 2011, 02:10:26 PM
Yup - Bill's pic is showing the Prestolite horns.....and the nice correct, properly plated horn bolts as well...
Yep, those are Prestolite horns. The date code will be stamped on the trumpet area, sometimes they are light and can be covered in paint.
Weren't the horn bolts dark gray phosphate as well maxwell?? I've seen them plated that color as well. In Bill's pic they look a little golden?
The bolt type is correct, the washer is serrated to ensure a proper ground.
Quote from: bill440rt on November 30, 2011, 08:44:59 PM
Weren't the horn bolts dark gray phosphate as well maxwell?? I've seen them plated that color as well. In Bill's pic they look a little golden?
Bill,
I 'used to' think all horn bolts were dark grey/black phosphate , till someone showed me several originals that were brownish color, so IMO both would be correct
here's better picture of the ones on the car above.
(http://amhightechauto.com/images/parts/B13325.JPG)
best picture I have of the horns
Thanks for the clarification on the bolts. Yep, mine are dark gray as well. :yesnod:
Head marking should be the anchor as pictured.
Date code on the horns is on the short flat side of the trumpet. Just had a matching dated set of '69 horns I let go...
Date pic
39th week of 69
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 30, 2011, 10:03:18 PM
Date pic
39th week of 69
Thanks. Nicely illustrated! At the momemt I can't recall if I had the small numbers on the side there. Will have too check. Now I know what to look for. :2thumbs:
Those horn mounting bolts are available from some of the reproduction parts stores. I got mine from Megaparts.
Quote from: bill440rt on November 30, 2011, 08:44:59 PM
Right! '68 & '69 the horn relay was located on the rad support. In '70 it was moved under the dash.
So it was in a different location but did the 70 relay look the same as the older relays?
diff bracket but same device itself as far I remember
On my '70 I switched out the engine harness because it needed it. I had a '68/'69 engine harness new in the box. So, I am using it. The 2 changes of note seem to be the electronic voltage reg on the '70s. The plug was available at O'reillys and the conversion simple on the voltage regulator, but what about the conversion on the harness for the horns. What will I need to do on the harness to delete the horn relay considering it is located under the dash?
I happen to be in the process of restoring my horns. They are original Prestolites. Build date for my car is 11/30/68. Date code on the HI horn is the 46th week of 1968 or 11/11/68-11/17/68.