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WARNING! DANGER! If you are or will run a flat tappet cam read this!!!

Started by AKcharger, July 03, 2008, 01:24:37 AM

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Fred

Thanks for that tan top. I just watched the video and if it's good enough for Jay Leno, It's good enough for me  :lol:
But whether or not it's available here is another matter. I will definitely look into it.  :2thumbs:


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tan top

Quote from: Fred on October 23, 2012, 01:42:57 AM
Thanks for that tan top. I just watched the video and if it's good enough for Jay Leno, It's good enough for me  :lol:
But whether or not it's available here is another matter. I will definitely look into it.  :2thumbs:

http://www.torcousa.com/6-dealer/australia.html

http://www.torcousa.com/full-line.html

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Fred

Quote from: tan top on October 23, 2012, 02:51:35 AM
Quote from: Fred on October 23, 2012, 01:42:57 AM
Thanks for that tan top. I just watched the video and if it's good enough for Jay Leno, It's good enough for me  :lol:
But whether or not it's available here is another matter. I will definitely look into it.  :2thumbs:

http://www.torcousa.com/6-dealer/australia.html

http://www.torcousa.com/full-line.html

:popcrn:
:scratchchin:  

Just checked out that info tan top and some of the places are just a stones throw away from my place.  Thanks again for your help.  :2thumbs:


Tomorrow is promised to no one.......drive your Charger today.


RIDGERACER383

I only have hours on my engine and it was rebuilt in 93 with the same Penzoil oil in it from 93 which is still clean and clear.So I guess I'm good right?it was 5w30 break in oil I think.
1968 Dodge Charger 383 4bbl / 8.75 Rear 3.55

Cooter

Quote from: RIDGERACER383 on January 04, 2013, 05:41:55 PM
I only have hours on my engine and it was rebuilt in 93 with the same Penzoil oil in it from 93 which is still clean and clear.So I guess I'm good right?it was 5w30 break in oil I think.

Yes, that oil SHOULD have still had high amounts of Zinc in it. Once broken in, find a GOOD quality oil that is high in ZDDP.
I use Spectro Racing oil. Even the Rotella Diesel oils are having the Zinc pulled from them.
" I have spent thousands of dollars and countless hours researching what works and what doesn't and I'm willing to share"

RIDGERACER383

1968 Dodge Charger 383 4bbl / 8.75 Rear 3.55

The70RT

Quote from: Cooter on January 04, 2013, 06:24:37 PM
Quote from: RIDGERACER383 on January 04, 2013, 05:41:55 PM
I only have hours on my engine and it was rebuilt in 93 with the same Penzoil oil in it from 93 which is still clean and clear.So I guess I'm good right?it was 5w30 break in oil I think.

Yes, that oil SHOULD have still had high amounts of Zinc in it. Once broken in, find a GOOD quality oil that is high in ZDDP.
I use Spectro Racing oil. Even the Rotella Diesel oils are having the Zinc pulled from them.

Too late, Rotella pulled the zinc like 2 or 3 years ago  :yesnod:
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RIDGERACER383

The green oil from Brad Penn "Penn Grade 1" looks good..High zink in it.
1968 Dodge Charger 383 4bbl / 8.75 Rear 3.55

68CoronetRT

So if someone is going to buy some off the shelf oil for their car.... what combo/brand would you buy?

And what would you run for a 'cam break in' oil? just fill the pan up with the comp cam stuff?

Or just 10-30 valvoline and add 1 qrt of the comp cam stuff? :shruggy: :scratchchin:

squeakfinder


     AutoRestorer magazine just recommended this to a reader.....





                                              http://www.classiccaroil.com/
Still looking for 15x7 Appliance slotted mags.....

Fred



Tomorrow is promised to no one.......drive your Charger today.

Ghoste

The restoration shop at the place where I work use the Gibbs stuff.  They use the break in oil for breaking in and then the hot rod-musclecar one for running.

dodgeguydelta

Quote from: AKcharger on July 03, 2008, 01:24:37 AM
I was informed by firefighter and another pal about the importance of having a zinc additive added to your oil during initial cam break in. I used regular oil on my break in and began to panic so I wanted to get the story....and it is potentially catastrophic!

I called Valvoline this morning and spoke to Chris at their tech department and confirmend the story; zinc dithiophosphate (ZnDTP) levels were reduced by mandate of the EPA within the past year. He said regular oils now have less than 850 ppm ZnDTP but their diesel oils are still between 900 and 1000 PPM and their valvoline racing oil has 1300ppm because it's designed for off-road use.

OK, so that's the oil part, I then called Engle, the manufacturer of my cam  and spoke to Doug. I asked about the low zinc deal and asked if this was really something to worry about, he said YES. In fact he stated emphatically to use an additive not only during break-in but ALL THE TIME. he said the low ZnDTP will eat the cam/lifters and due to shavings floating around the engine...eventually the rest of the motor will go too.

Brad Penn motor oil is the answer. Google it Summit Racing has it.
So what to do?

- Use a Zinc additive. Engle suggests "justice brothers" and figherfighter suggests GM EOS or ZZDP plus
- My pal talked to Bullet racing cams (they custom ground his hemi cam) and they say any oil conforming to CI-4 rating (Diesel oil) offers adequate protection
- I haven't tried any additive yet so I can't make a recommendation...but feel free to add to this post

I can't believe this isn't getting press...or if it has I sure missed it.

P.S. my engine is OK  ;)
Live love and play hard die laughing

AKcharger


squeakfinder

Still looking for 15x7 Appliance slotted mags.....

1974dodgecharger

Either way it seems its best to add a zinc/phosphoe in every oil change we do ourselves.

nvrbdn

Quote from: Fred on July 01, 2013, 12:35:09 AM
Quote from: RIDGERACER383 on January 05, 2013, 09:40:10 AM
The green oil from Brad Penn "Penn Grade 1" looks good..High zink in it.

:yesnod: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

my engine guy just told me to get the brad penn. thats what just went in mine.
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70 Duster (Moulin Rouge)
73 Challenger
50 Dodge Pilot House

Fred

Quote from: nvrbdn on September 21, 2013, 08:38:42 PM
Quote from: Fred on July 01, 2013, 12:35:09 AM
Quote from: RIDGERACER383 on January 05, 2013, 09:40:10 AM
The green oil from Brad Penn "Penn Grade 1" looks good..High zink in it.

:yesnod: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

my engine guy just told me to get the brad penn. thats what just went in mine.

Good choice. I use nothing but.  :2thumbs:


Tomorrow is promised to no one.......drive your Charger today.

Charger74SE

I just put my 318 back in in Sept and the Machine Shop that I used recommended using Lucas Break-in Oil Additive not only for initial break-in but also for your normal oil change. I went to the Lucas Website and downloaded the TDS sheet and it says that this additive contains 5000ppm of Zinc.
This is what I'm going to stay with.




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1974 Charger SE
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1974dodgecharger

found out amsoil has a oil now with zinc/phosphorus line called Z-rod specially for the flat tappet cams. 

Ghoste

It's great to see these specialty oil companies stepping up to bat for us like this.  I hope their investment pays off with customer support.

bobfist

This was the first thing i leared when i started to work with old american cars, ALWAYS zink oil in these old engines
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ChargerKen

Comp cams recommended rotella in installation instructions, so that's what was used after proper break-in. When I built my 440 rotella had removed the zinc. Smoked the cam and lifters in it.
1968 Charger R/T
1978 Power Wagon Stepside
1979 Lil Red Express
1979 Power Wagon 200
2013 Durango R/T

Ghoste

That sucks, I thought Comp recommended their own zinc additive or something like that.