:lol:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Dodge-Daytona-Plum-Crazy-4-speed-440-six-pac_W0QQitemZ140296663380QQihZ004QQcategoryZ6199QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
thats the jerry juneamen one of three 70 original daytona's LOL : :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
from the now defunct WHeels and spokes museum in hays kansas
always thought that car had the Daytona stuff added by the dealer or something .. & supposedly had dealer / factory paper work ?? :popcrn:
Quote from: tan top on January 22, 2009, 05:42:06 PM
always thought that car had the Daytona stuff added by the dealer or something .. & supposedly had dealer / factory paper work ?? :popcrn:
yes i think it is a very early clone ? this may be the car that was pictured at daytona in 70 with the daytona sheet metal on it .
i got to go trough the Wheels and spokes museum in hays kansas and see it for my self its loaded full of options sweet..
This one again its back didnt sell for $250K
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,24781.0.html
Take away the nose cone and the Wing, and it is still a very nice 6 pac 70 Charger, with a power sunroof. I mean whats not to like about that? Oh and the color, love it.
If I couldn't get a 69 and had to go the route of a non real Daytona this is the one I'd look at first and foremost.
Wonder what "factory welds that could not be duplicated" they are referring to in the ad? Since they didn't put the rear window plug in, there really isn't too much that is welded on the existing chassis. The only two things that come to mind are the wing washers/supports and the latch tray support piece - both of which are merely spot-welded. That's an easy thing to do - nothing special there. Maybe I'm missing something, since today has been a long week for me, anyway.
I also wonder if the car has the second hole behind the battery. Kinda doubt it... This is a highly optioned car and I personally love the car's link to Daytona folklore, but its status as a '70 Daytona will never be unchallenged (as the seller would have everyone believe).
:Twocents:
If anyone is interested, I drive by his house several times a week and could take pics for them or do anything else needed.
Quote from: hemigeno on January 22, 2009, 06:23:36 PM
I also wonder if the car has the second hole behind the battery. Kinda doubt it...
If it does not, it probably will have it soon... :scratchchin:
Quote from: gasoline_24 on January 22, 2009, 06:48:41 PM
If anyone is interested, I drive by his house several times a week and could take pics for them or do anything else needed.
If you go by, try to find the "second hole"... the attached picture shows the hole to look for & photograph.
XS
I do like the old pics...especially the one with the headlights open when it was nearly new :lol:
Reminds me of the 70 that was at St. Louis a few years ago. I wonder what happened to that one.
That looks like the one that used to come to the cruise-ins in Crystal Lake, Illinois. I moved away from that area in June of '07.
There was also a nice O5 replica I think out of Canada for sale awhile back on ebay
No pic of fender tag...shouldn't it have "A11" or something like that to be a Daytona??
Quote from: A383Wing on January 22, 2009, 09:15:46 PM
No pic of fender tag...shouldn't it have "A11" or something like that to be a Daytona??
:shruggy:
Was A11 the code for the Daytona package in '70 or was it something different? ;)
"A11" was on the fender tags for the Charger 500 and the Daytona in 69 for the special front end treatment...."A13" was for the '70 Superbird.....
I was wondering if it was on that tag?
Here's the car in the background. It's driving through the pit area Lime Rock Park CT in 1971.
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll56/Aero426/LimeRock70.jpg)
Quote from: histoy on January 22, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
That looks like the one that used to come to the cruise-ins in Crystal Lake, Illinois. I moved away from that area in June of '07.
Not the same car. The Illinois car looked like it was made by Goober and Gomer. Lots of home made stuff.
The turquoise car that attended the St. Louis show in 2004 was very, very nice. Seems like it was owned by a doctor. I took several pics of that car and it was the car that made me decide to go ahead and build my clone.
Maybe if I could see it again, it would help me to decide to finish my clone. :icon_smile_big:
That car needs to be bought by someone restored back to original, period. Tired of hearing about these 70 Daytonas.
Quote from: hotrod98 on January 23, 2009, 12:48:32 AM
The turquoise car that attended the St. Louis show in 2004 was very, very nice. Seems like it was owned by a doctor. I took several pics of that car and it was the car that made me decide to go ahead and build my clone.
Maybe if I could see it again, it would help me to decide to finish my clone. :icon_smile_big:
I know the guy from several wing warriors shows , I was thinking he was from chicago ?
It was red for years with just the wing on it , then he bought dayclona's nose kit . That st louis show was the first time I had seen it paint blue and with a nose on it .
Quote from: nakita7 on January 23, 2009, 02:32:21 AM
That car needs to be bought by someone restored back to original, period. Tired of hearing about these 70 Daytonas.
I agree, I think the car would be a lot more fun without the baggage.
The turquise car is from the north end of Chicagoland. As far as I know Don (the owner) has never tried to pass it off as anything but a clone.
He has had it for many years, as was previously stated it use to be red with a white wing and no nose. About 6 years ago he had it redone and added the nose.
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on January 23, 2009, 01:57:37 PM
The turquise car is from the north end of Chicagoland. As far as I know Don (the owner) has never tried to pass it off as anything but a clone.
He has had it for many years, as was previously stated it use to be red with a white wing and no nose. About 6 years ago he had it redone and added the nose.
yes don and at the time I knew him deb was his girl friend ?
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on January 23, 2009, 01:57:37 PM
The turquise car is from the north end of Chicagoland. As far as I know Don (the owner) has never tried to pass it off as anything but a clone.
He has had it for many years, as was previously stated it use to be red with a white wing and no nose. About 6 years ago he had it redone and added the nose.
Okayyy. Now it makes sense. I know that car. I was just used to seeing it without the nose.
Oh Don Kypros
There was a 3 issue expose on 70 Daytonas in MCG awhile back and it seemed pretty conclusive that they did not make any 70 Daytonas. The plum crazy car was likely a day 2 conversion. Probably the first conversion ever.
Regardless of the fact that it isn't a real factory Daytona you gotta admit that is one stunning car loaded with options. Don't hate me but I think it looks better than any real Daytona I've ever seen. I think Daytonas look far and away better than Superbirds but that mock 70 version looks great with the door scoops. :Twocents:
Quote from: Dodge Don on January 23, 2009, 04:04:35 PM
There was a 3 issue expose on 70 Daytonas in MCG awhile back and it seemed pretty conclusive that they did not make any 70 Daytonas. The plum crazy car was likely a day 2 conversion. Probably the first conversion ever.
Regardless of the fact that it isn't a real factory Daytona you gotta admit that is one stunning car loaded with options. Don't hate me but I think it looks better than any real Daytona I've ever seen. I think Daytonas look far and away better than Superbirds but that mock 70 version looks great with the door scoops. :Twocents:
Simply put, the purple car "is what it is". It has been that way since new, and is a beautiful car. Even if it is dealer built, it has its own small place in wing car history.
Interesting, as loaded up as the car is it wasn't ordered with chrome tips.
Chad L. Magee will be able to work to earn the money to buy it, I'll need to win the lottery.
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on January 23, 2009, 01:57:37 PM
The turquise car is from the north end of Chicagoland. As far as I know Don (the owner) has never tried to pass it off as anything but a clone.
He has had it for many years, as was previously stated it use to be red with a white wing and no nose. About 6 years ago he had it redone and added the nose.
I never did get to meet him at the St. Louis show. I wanted to tell him how much I liked the car.
Dave, I didn't mean to imply that he tried to pass the car off as real or anything like that. I just thought about how much it resembled the purple car. As for the color, I would have thought that it had always been the turquoise color.
That eBay ad is full of bullshit - - but its a beautiful car!. I also agree, its a significant part of Daytona history because it was probably converted by a dealer back in 1970 when it was still a new car. IF CHRYSLER BUILT IT -- IT WOULD HAVE THE WINDOW PLUG.
I'm wondering...where do you get the H70x14 Goodyear tires these days??
The car was converted by Parsons Dodge for DR David Jackson Bethesda Maryland
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 24, 2009, 03:24:29 PM
I'm wondering...where do you get the H70x14 Goodyear tires these days??
The car has been restored for 30 years, and really has not been used. When they brought it to the Michigan in 1979, they trailed it even back then.
I have some pics of it from Michigan back in 1979, which I obviously didn't take, considering my age at the time. But apparently I was at the show.
for all the stuff that is said about this car .. i see it's at 86k..wow...would have never thought a clone would get that amount of dollars compared to real...what's wrong with this picture?? :brickwall:
Quote from: petercharger on January 25, 2009, 12:15:41 AM
for all the stuff that is said about this car .. i see it's at 86k..wow...would have never thought a clone would get that amount of dollars compared to real...what's wrong with this picture?? :brickwall:
yeah but knowing the owner I'd bet it's reserve is over 200k
He probably feels that it's worth more than a real daytona.
I too have been to see this car and talked to Jerry. From what I read and saw - to compare this car to the factory Creative Industry 69 Daytona would be a mistake in logic. Jerry has never said it is a factory Daytona. Anyone could go into a Dodge dealer in 1970 and order their 70 Charger with Daytona parts. I personally owned a 70 RT that had an original 69 Daytona wing on it that was ordered and delivered with the wing.
Chrysler never commissioned a factory 70 Daytona. Could you order a 70 Charger SE RT loaded with 69 Daytona parts installed on it – Absolutely. So comparing this special order 70 Charger "Daytona" to a 69 Daytona that was build by Creative Industry commissioned by Chrysler for homologation reasons is apples and oranges IMHO. So looking for wholes or saying it lacks a rear plug is unnecessary because it does not prove or disprove anything. This car was not made for homologation reasons. Isn't this fun :2thumbs:?
(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3308/yellowbrentsap9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
For the sake of an argument, not that this car needs another debatable point...
What if...in 2008 Chrysler made 500 Shelby Challengers (homologation reasons for racing) that had a special wing and a different front grill and many other parts. Then in 2009 Chrysler got out of racing all together and no longer offered the Shelby Challenger for 2009. Lets say I found out that every part for the Shelby Chally was available from Chrysler and my Dealer could order the parts if I so choose and either the factory or they where shipped with the car and the dealer had them installed. I think there is room for some gray area when it comes to factory ordered parts for a new car that the dealer installs. This type of car would have a special pedigree.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 22, 2009, 07:32:10 PM
Quote from: hemigeno on January 22, 2009, 06:23:36 PM
I also wonder if the car has the second hole behind the battery. Kinda doubt it...
If it does not, it probably will have it soon... :scratchchin:
Quote from: gasoline_24 on January 22, 2009, 06:48:41 PM
If anyone is interested, I drive by his house several times a week and could take pics for them or do anything else needed.
If you go by, try to find the "second hole"... the attached picture shows the hole to look for & photograph.
XS
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"""what is the second hole for???????
I think they were battery cooling holes in the rad support
Quote from: XS29J on January 25, 2009, 09:18:57 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 22, 2009, 07:32:10 PM
If you go by, try to find the "second hole"... the attached picture shows the hole to look for & photograph.
XS
"""what is the second hole for???????
It appears to be for relocating the clip for the headlight harness routing. Check out Geno's Daytona restoration thread:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,48725.440.html
Although the discussion starts earlier, post 448 is a good starting point with a picture...
Allen
Picture from Geno's thread:
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48725.0;attach=59184)
Oh those 2 inner fenderwell holes.Most likely probably for the wiring harness.I got alot original under hood pictures of aero cars and various chargers.Will take a closer look
One of my Daytona's has the second hole, the other does not. The car with the extra hole also has the two (smaller) holes rad support whereas the car with out the extra (battery area) hole has the one large hole in the rad support. The wiring harness clip in the car with the extra (battery area) hole does not even come close to clipping in either hole :icon_smile_big:
There were at least 3 different harnesses used on 'Tona's to further add to the mayhem!
:Twocents: The car was built as a V-Code, FC7 (non-vinyl), 4spd SE. It left the factory in St. Louis just like any other Charger would have. Once it got to the dealer in D.C., it was converted (unless it made a pit stop in Detroit). At this time the wing, nose and ALSO the sunroof and vinyl top were added.
Like many of the others, I agree this is a piece of Chrysler history. It's just not the fairly tale ending many had hoped for. Again... :Twocents:
i like the 70 daytonas better but i like the 69' chargers O0
Quote from: hotrod98 on January 23, 2009, 12:48:32 AM
The turquoise car that attended the St. Louis show in 2004 was very, very nice. Seems like it was owned by a doctor. I took several pics of that car and it was the car that made me decide to go ahead and build my clone.
Maybe if I could see it again, it would help me to decide to finish my clone. :icon_smile_big:
Hi I am the owner of the Q5 1970 Dodge Daytona clone. My nane is Don as said in some of the other post. I've been looking at this site for a long time but was apprehensvie about joinig or showing the car. The wing is a real Daytona piece bought at the Mopar NATs in 1995. The nose is from showcars in Canada. I did not put in a plug for two reasons. I never wanted it to be passed off as real and supposedly the three 1970 Daytonas that exist (or not) is why I made mine with no window plug.
Quote from: dodgedaytona70 on January 25, 2009, 05:26:13 PM
Quote from: hotrod98 on January 23, 2009, 12:48:32 AM
The turquoise car that attended the St. Louis show in 2004 was very, very nice. Seems like it was owned by a doctor. I took several pics of that car and it was the car that made me decide to go ahead and build my clone.
Maybe if I could see it again, it would help me to decide to finish my clone. :icon_smile_big:
Hi I am the owner of the Q5 1970 Dodge Daytona clone. My nane is Don as said in some of the other post. I've been looking at this site for a long time but was apprehensvie about joinig or showing the car. The wing is a real Daytona piece bought at the Mopar NATs in 1995. The nose is from showcars in Canada. I did not put in a plug for two reasons. I never wanted it to be passed off as real and supposedly the three 1970 Daytonas that exist (or not) is why I made mine with no window plug.
I spent a lot of time drooling over your car. I'm serious when I say that your car was the reason that I decided to go ahead and alter my 69 R/T SE.
I even thought seriously about leaving the back window stock, but others around here convinced me to go the whole Daytona route.
Anyway, love your car. :2thumbs:
QuoteHi I am the owner of the Q5 1970 Dodge Daytona clone.
:wave: howdy. i dig your car. :cheers:
Quoteothers around here convinced me to go the whole Daytona route.
who :shruggy:
Quote from: dodgedaytona70 on January 25, 2009, 05:26:13 PM
Hi I am the owner of the Q5 1970 Dodge Daytona clone. My nane is Don
hello Don & welcome , nice clone :drool5: :cheers:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 25, 2009, 02:34:54 PM
One of my Daytona's has the second hole, the other does not. The car with the extra hole also has the two (smaller) holes rad support whereas the car with out the extra (battery area) hole has the one large hole in the rad support. The wiring harness clip in the car with the extra (battery area) hole does not even come close to clipping in either hole :icon_smile_big:
There were at least 3 different harnesses used on 'Tona's to further add to the mayhem!
Jim,
I'm sure the car with the one large hole is the DocTona - and it matches EXACTLY what Danny and I found on 287970. Was there a black grommet for that hole? Looking at the Reeker car is what led me to the conclusion that the second hole behind the battery was to create some slack to get that wire harness up and over the yoke.
The "first" of those holes behind the battery was stamped on every '69 B-body inner fender at Hamtramck, and you can always feel the indentation. The other hole was drilled by someone at Creative Industries, so there is little (if any) indentation in the sheet metal. That first hole is always consistently located, but the second hole was apparently randomly located since that dimension is all over the place. I'd be really surprised if the wire harness wouldn't work with at least the factory-stamped hole (the plastic "T" anchor taped into the wire harness, right?) since that's how it was shipped to Creative.
What three wire harness configurations are you referring to - the one in the nosecones? If you've seen some variation in the nosecone wire harness, I'm not surprised
at all. Those were rebuilt using a regular Charger wire harness by "day laborers" literally hired off the street corner by Creative Industries. Not exactly professionals in any sense of the word...
Quote from: dodgedaytona70 on January 25, 2009, 05:26:13 PM
Hi I am the owner of the Q5 1970 Dodge Daytona clone. My nane is Don as said in some of the other post. I've been looking at this site for a long time but was apprehensvie about joinig or showing the car. The wing is a real Daytona piece bought at the Mopar NATs in 1995. The nose is from showcars in Canada. I did not put in a plug for two reasons. I never wanted it to be passed off as real and supposedly the three 1970 Daytonas that exist (or not) is why I made mine with no window plug.
Hi Don,
Welcome to the site! Glad you (finally) joined up, and you have an awesome car! I don't know if I have any pictures of it from the Monster Mopar show, but I'm sure there might be some :drool5: marks on it from when I looked it over. My wife really liked the color, BTW...
Thanks for posting, but now that you're on the site we won't let you off the mat until you post some more pictures of your car... :P
Quote from: Daytona Guy on January 25, 2009, 02:32:29 AM
I too have been to see this car and talked to Jerry. From what I read and saw - to compare this car to the factory Creative Industry 69 Daytona would be a mistake in logic. Jerry has never said it is a factory Daytona. Anyone could go into a Dodge dealer in 1970 and order their 70 Charger with Daytona parts. I personally owned a 70 RT that had an original 69 Daytona wing on it that was ordered and delivered with the wing.
Chrysler never commissioned a factory 70 Daytona. Could you order a 70 Charger SE RT loaded with 69 Daytona parts installed on it Absolutely. So comparing this special order 70 Charger Daytona to a 69 Daytona that was build by Creative Industry commissioned by Chrysler for homologation reasons is apples and oranges IMHO. So looking for wholes or saying it lacks a rear plug is unnecessary because it does not prove or disprove anything.
This car was not made for homologation reasons.
Best post period about the '70 Daytona, and it sums up what I've thought about the subject all along. Jerry never represented it to me as a factory Daytona, as that story only picked up steam after he sold it.
Quote from: 69_500 on January 24, 2009, 03:58:27 PM
I have some pics of it from Michigan back in 1979, which I obviously didn't take, considering my age at the time. But apparently I was at the show.
funny...I don't remember you being there :lol:
Quote from: A383Wing on January 22, 2009, 09:15:46 PM
No pic of fender tag...shouldn't it have "A11" or something like that to be a Daytona??
A11 in '70 was a 300-H. I guess A14 was simply out of the question...
Quote from: Daytona Guy on January 25, 2009, 02:32:29 AM
Anyone could go into a Dodge dealer in 1970 and order their 70 Charger with Daytona parts. I personally owned a 70 RT that had an original 69 Daytona wing on it that was ordered and delivered with the wing.
Please prove any of that.
No "customer ordered" 1970 Charger ever left St. Louis with a wing and nose as far as I am concerned.
As a very good friend of mine has said at least 1823 times - "Show me the Buildsheet".
A re-pop window sticker does not turn my crank. Anyway, this has been going on and on for decades with this car.
Quote from: Daytona Guy on January 25, 2009, 02:32:29 AM
Anyone could go into a Dodge dealer in 1970 and order their 70 Charger with Daytona parts. I personally owned a 70 RT that had an original 69 Daytona wing on it that was ordered and delivered with the wing.
Did you own it/buy it
new during the current '70 (Aug 69 - June 70) model year?
Quote from: dodgedaytona70 on January 25, 2009, 05:26:13 PM
Hi I am the owner of the Q5 1970 Dodge Daytona clone. My nane is Don as said in some of the other post. I've been looking at this site for a long time but was apprehensvie about joinig or showing the car. The wing is a real Daytona piece bought at the Mopar NATs in 1995. The nose is from showcars in Canada. I did not put in a plug for two reasons. I never wanted it to be passed off as real and supposedly the three 1970 Daytonas that exist (or not) is why I made mine with no window plug.
Welcome aboard, glad to have you here. :cheers:
:popcrn:
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=4973432&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD
Quote from: Chris G. on January 25, 2009, 07:45:17 PM
Quote from: Daytona Guy on January 25, 2009, 02:32:29 AM
Anyone could go into a Dodge dealer in 1970 and order their 70 Charger with Daytona parts. I personally owned a 70 RT that had an original 69 Daytona wing on it that was ordered and delivered with the wing.
Please prove any of that.
No "customer ordered" 1970 Charger ever left St. Louis with a wing and nose as far as I am concerned.
Chris - I know I'm putting words in Dane's mouth here, but I understood him to be saying that you could order up a new '70 Charger and ask the
dealership to install the Daytona "accessories" prior to delivery.
I've had accessories installed before delivery several times when special-ordering trucks, and I'm sure the procedure was similar back then. I did not think he was implying that Chrysler would process the order and ship it with any Daytona hardware whatsoever. If he WAS implying that, I'm off that bandwagon for sure... :P
Quote from: hemigeno on January 25, 2009, 11:45:58 PM
Chris - I know I'm putting words in Dane's mouth here, but I understood him to be saying that you could order up a new '70 Charger and ask the dealership to install the Daytona "accessories" prior to delivery.
Gotcha. :2thumbs:
BTW, how long were Daytona parts available from dealerships? Or should I say when did they discontinue them?
The club had a wingcar parts list .That had NS 1 of parts not no longer dealer available .Have to see what date that paper was
Quote from: Chris G. on January 26, 2009, 03:17:03 PM
BTW, how long were Daytona parts available from dealerships? Or should I say when did they discontinue them?
It depends on the particular part. Some parts had quite a few "extras" ordered by Chrysler, some had relatively few. I'd have to dig through some stuff to see if I have any records on factory-ordered nosecones and wings, seems like I remember seeing something on those. Whenever that supply was gone, I'm pretty sure they were listed as NS1, meaning I don't think they kept ordering new batches. A whole lot of Daytona stuff was NS1 pretty early in the '70s, and the wing car newsletters from back then pointed that out pretty regularly. It seems like quite a few of the factory parts depot orders I've seen were written up late into the 1969 calendar year, so the Juenemann car's selling dealer would likely have still had access to the right parts over-the-counter in early 1970.
Some major parts were available on the black (or at least dark gray) market, like wings & nosecones - sold by people who somehow ended up with a basement or garage full of parts. Fell off the truck, or so the story goes... :rotz: On top of that, several of the race teams sold off parts once they were obsoleted. The dealership wouldn't have gone that route, but a lot of other guys did.
I'll try to find anything on nosecone and wing orders later this week (got some major stuff going on at work), or maybe this weekend I can look through the original depot orders again on my roadtrip.
Quote from: pettybird on January 25, 2009, 07:31:41 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on January 24, 2009, 03:58:27 PM
I have some pics of it from Michigan back in 1979, which I obviously didn't take, considering my age at the time. But apparently I was at the show.
funny...I don't remember you being there :lol:
Likewise.
As far as the extra parts being around, Gene wasn't there a paper showing how many of what was ordered to be made? I was thinking it was something like 650 of some of the unique parts being made on certain items. I don't recall if it was for nose/wings or just smaller items. Could have been the front fenders now that I think of it.
Quote from: Chris G. on January 25, 2009, 07:45:17 PM
Quote from: Daytona Guy on January 25, 2009, 02:32:29 AM
Anyone could go into a Dodge dealer in 1970 and order their 70 Charger with Daytona parts. I personally owned a 70 RT that had an original 69 Daytona wing on it that was ordered and delivered with the wing.
Please prove any of that.
No "customer ordered" 1970 Charger ever left St. Louis with a wing and nose as far as I am concerned.
No one has said it "left St. Louis with a wing and nose". So, not sure of your point. Someone has posted on this site the parts list from Chrysler for the 69 Daytona. It stands to reason that if you build a car there is always going to be a parts list for replacement parts, it is required by law as to not screw the customer over if they happen to wreck their car after they buy it. If someone could be so kind to find and post that parts list that all dealers could order from could clear this up. Thanks
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 25, 2009, 07:59:51 PM
Quote from: Daytona Guy on January 25, 2009, 02:32:29 AM
Anyone could go into a Dodge dealer in 1970 and order their 70 Charger with Daytona parts. I personally owned a 70 RT that had an original 69 Daytona wing on it that was ordered and delivered with the wing.
Did you own it/buy it new during the current '70 (Aug 69 - June 70) model year?
My Dad worked at Textronix with the guy who bought this 70 Charger r/t new with the wing on it. We bought it back when none of this debate was necessary. The owner said that he loved the wing and ordered it and the dealer put it on new before he picked it up from the dealer. We saw the car new, we bought it from him 12 years later for 750.00 with a blown engine. Back then we had no idea the big deal it would be to prove everything on how a car was ordered from the dealer. It really is no big deal to me, I know what I saw and bought and it does not mater if someone believes me or not.
Quote from: Daytona Guy on January 26, 2009, 07:56:45 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 25, 2009, 07:59:51 PM
Quote from: Daytona Guy on January 25, 2009, 02:32:29 AM
Anyone could go into a Dodge dealer in 1970 and order their 70 Charger with Daytona parts. I personally owned a 70 RT that had an original 69 Daytona wing on it that was ordered and delivered with the wing.
Did you own it/buy it new during the current '70 (Aug 69 - June 70) model year?
My Dad worked at Textronix with the guy who bought this 70 Charger r/t new with the wing on it. We bought it back when none of this debate was necessary. The owner said that he loved the wing and ordered it and the dealer put it on new before he picked it up from the dealer. We saw the car new, we bought it from him 12 years later for 750.00 with a blown engine. Back then we had no idea the big deal it would be to prove everything on how a car was ordered from the dealer. It really is no big deal to me, I know what I saw and bought and it does not mater if someone believes me or not.
Like Chris G. said earlier....We both thought the inference was that the factory did this. I have no problem with the dealer adding stuff - I agree - It happened all the time. I have dealer paperwork showing mags, headers, cams etc being installed on zero mile cars, so a wing - why not!
That's what I thought you meant as well. (that it was installed by the factory)
To be truthful though none of the Daytona equipment was installed by the Factory. It was all done by Creative, so whats the difference in Creative making the piece and putting it on, or a dealership buying the piece from Creative and putting it on? Same piece, different installers. And from what I can gather it was a different installer (worker) each day at Creative as they were known to just pick up employee's from the unemployment line from day to day to fill spots.
Chrysler Contracted Creative (say that 5 times fast or slow) to finish building the cars so Creative, legally, were Chrysler. Dealerships are independent agents selling a product line. Am a a lawyer? No - But I watched Perry Mason for years and I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once.
So then I guess that makes JJ's car a real Daytona :D
Quote from: 69_500 on January 26, 2009, 08:13:32 PM
so whats the difference in Creative making the piece and putting it on, or a dealership buying the piece from Creative and putting it on?
:faint: :faint: :faint: :faint: :faint: :faint: :poke: :nana: :lol:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on January 26, 2009, 03:48:44 PM
The club had a wingcar parts list .That had NS 1 of parts not no longer dealer available .Have to see what date that paper was
Our parts contact at the dealer went through the lists for Superbird and Daytona in the 1977, 1978, 1979 time frame. By this time, literally every Daytona specific part was obsolete in the system with supply exhausted. The Superbird for some reason was considerably better.
As far as outside sources selling parts under the table, Creative did have Superbird noses available during this time at selling for about 1/3 the price of Chrysler. No Daytona stash to my knowledge. Daytona stuff has always been very hard to come by.
There was a farly large quantity of Superbird specific items that were obtained from Nichels Engineering in 1977-78. Again very little Daytona stuff. When Chrysler pulled the contract from Nichels in 1971 and awarded it to Lee Petty, there are stories of Daytona nose cones and other parts being run over by bulldozers at the direction of Chrysler.
Quote from: DougSchellinger on January 26, 2009, 08:52:12 PM
When Chrysler pulled the contract from Nichels in 1971 and awarded it to Lee Petty, there are stories of Daytona nose cones and other parts being run over by bulldozers at the direction of Chrysler.
:pullinghair: :2guns: :badidea:
Quote from: DougSchellinger on January 26, 2009, 08:52:12 PM
there are stories of Daytona nose cones and other parts being run over by bulldozers at the direction of Chrysler.
Funny - Fred McNally told me years ago that he saw or someone he knows have seen this actually happen...Oh the humanity! :'(
I think it was Terry Nichels who said they had stuff in a second story loft, and tossed it outside where the dozers awaited.
I dug through a little bit of paperwork and did not find anything beyond a June 19, 1969 Memo instructing B.L. Schram as follows:
"Please arrange to procure and ship to Nichels Engineering the following items from Group Release E518 and E598:"
It goes on to list a lot of the individual Daytona parts/assemblies, including more than a few component parts which were never sold separately that I know of (e.g. the individual sheet metal pieces which make up the nosecone shell). A lot of those component part numbers were initially intended to have a stockpile of 25 or so, but were later lined off - indicating they were never ordered. This one does show 50 full nosecone assemblies were ordered, and 25 of each rear wing component. I have two different copies of this same document, and both show pretty much the same component part eliminations.
Wonder if the nosecones and other parts that hadn't sold yet were just trashed rather than ship them to Petty? In any event, it makes us all cringe today even to think of such.
Pure speculation, but I'd assume it was cost effective for Chrysler to write the parts off, versus shipping them to Petty. Plus they were essentially obsolete for NASCAR in 1971. Nichels apparently was allowed to retain some pieces to take care of their own cars, which they used up through 1972. The stuff that came out of there in the late '70s was virtually ALL Superbird. Lots of fenders, lots of grille frames, some rear plugs and wings. During this same time, when Terry Nichels recycled the #30 Marcis car back into a Daytona, the owner had to get a nose from Don White. That was the only one available.
Quote from: Daytona Guy on January 25, 2009, 02:32:29 AM
I I personally owned a 70 RT that had an original 69 Daytona wing on it that was ordered and delivered with the wing.
(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3308/yellowbrentsap9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
I see what you mean. I meant that both the wing and the car were delvered from Chrysler. :D
Quote from: Daytona Guy on January 26, 2009, 10:37:16 PM
I see what you mean. I meant that both the wing and the car were delvered from Chrysler. :D
"Delivered from Chrysler" = how it came from the assembly plant (no wing)
"As delivered from the dealer" = wing installed at buyers request
Quote from: 69_500 on January 26, 2009, 08:13:32 PM
so whats the difference in Creative making the piece and putting it on, or a dealership buying the piece from Creative and putting it on?
About $50,000. :nana: :icon_smile_big:
And a vin "X".
Actually I think one other vehicle had the second "X"; 68 Fury III and, if I am not mistaken the 69 version even had "X29". I don't know if there was actually a diff. in roofline from the regular Fury III.
wow wow wow......in today's economy and getting a sweet 69 daytona for that kind of money...wow wow wow :o :o
kind of confused, is there such a thing as a 70 daytona?
Quote from: sound5262 on January 27, 2009, 01:36:31 PM
kind of confused, is there such a thing as a 70 daytona?
no sir there is not :Twocents:
Quote from: sound5262 on January 27, 2009, 01:36:31 PM
kind of confused, is there such a thing as a 70 daytona?
The short answer is
NO!...
The long answer is that at least one 1970 Charger R/T was "converted" using the readily available Daytona spare parts by a dealership... possibly before delivery to the original owner. It would be similar to a current dealership converting one of the new Challenger R/Ts to a Challenger T/A using the available hood and stripe kits... is it a 2009 Challenger T/A then? :scratchchin:
XS
did ya'll see what this is bringing on ebay?
Quote from: sound5262 on January 27, 2009, 01:45:47 PM
did ya'll see what this is bringing on ebay?
$200K+... I guess I need to take my new Challenger back to the dealer for immediate conversion to the ultra-rare 2009 Challenger SRT/A! :icon_smile_big:
XS
Quote from: sound5262 on January 27, 2009, 01:45:47 PM
did ya'll see what this is bringing on ebay?
It's possible (very likely) that there is no real money on the car. It still has not met reserve. Keep in mind the ebay listing is free for the seller for the first four cars. It's just a way to generate exposure.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 27, 2009, 01:52:13 PM
Quote from: sound5262 on January 27, 2009, 01:45:47 PM
did ya'll see what this is bringing on ebay?
$200K+... I guess I need to take my new Challenger back to the dealer for immediate conversion to the ultra-rare 2009 Challenger SRT/A! :icon_smile_big:
XS
:image_294343: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: 200k all I can say is Wow
I think the reserve last time was around $250 or $300
Quote from: gasoline_24 on January 27, 2009, 03:53:30 PM
I think the reserve last time was around $250 or $300
It was a cool quarter million.
I think it will worth more because of the infamy and the press/exposure it has gotten. The car is a legend.
For example, for some reason the BarrelCuda is worth more because it sat up on a bunch of barrels and became infamous on Cars in barns. :shruggy:
But both remain unsold...
Quote from: DougSchellinger on January 27, 2009, 03:06:12 PM
Quote from: sound5262 on January 27, 2009, 01:45:47 PM
did ya'll see what this is bringing on ebay?
It's possible (very likely) that there is no real money on the car. It still has not met reserve. Keep in mind the ebay listing is free for the seller for the first four cars. It's just a way to generate exposure.
:iagree:
JJ schilling.......Nah :angel:
happened to have the Mopar collectors guide of sept 2002 and it stated '70 daytonas..fact or fiction? the last pictures statements say's There is no evidence to support the claim that any 1970 charger daytonas were factory built or authorised. So after months of investigation, and the help of such fantastic winged car enthusiasts as Jim RAdke, Joe and Sean Machado, Greg Kwiatkowski, Galen Govier, Ken Noffsinger, Frank Badalson, Steven Juliano, and the Invaluable information supplied by Bob McCurry and Andy Agosta, I am convinced, ,the theory of the 1970 charger Datyona is an urban legend. The truth is there was at least one dealership assembled car,a nd one car built by a custom shop in Detroit for an Unknown person who worked at Hamtramck. Tut that's it. If anyone knows of any other dealer assembled winged cars or has any other information on these cars, please contact us immediately and we will pass the data along..by Randy Holden Photos by Greg Kwiatkoski and Jerry Jeumeman. that is what the last section said...like I said Wow Wow Wow..
plain and simple without the plug it's just a really unique daytona CLONE no?
This ones pedigree is that its on Chryslers grounds and its A Chrysler picture of the 70 Watermelon Daytona
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/1970_DAYTONA_GREEN_07.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/1970_DAYTONA_GREEN_05.jpg
so this daytonamellon is the real deal??
No. It is the car that MCG mentions as having been built in Detroit and belonging to someone with access to the property but that is all.
IMO, it has to be worth a pretty penny. The dealership made it into a Daytona when it was new. It's not like it's a current day clone or anything.
It's an old clone and means nothing more to me. But I don't have 300k to waste either so. :shruggy: :Twocents:
Quote from: teamroth on January 27, 2009, 11:09:14 PM
plain and simple without the plug it's just a really unique daytona CLONE no?
Then the case can be made that Mr. Norm cars should have no additional value.
Quote from: Dodge Don on January 28, 2009, 08:33:17 AM
Quote from: teamroth on January 27, 2009, 11:09:14 PM
plain and simple without the plug it's just a really unique daytona CLONE no?
Then the case can be made that Mr. Norm cars should have no additional value.
And in most cases personally I think that they shouldn't. Now some cars that Mr. Norms did should have some additional value, but then you see people trying to make tons more on say a 69 383 RR that was sold at Mr. Norms. Nothing done to the car, just sold there. To me, who cares. Now if your talking about a GTS Dart, or something along those lines then yes they should have some more value. It was a dealer modified car for a purpose. Which is how I see the Purple car as well.
Quote from: Dodge Don on January 28, 2009, 08:33:17 AM
Quote from: teamroth on January 27, 2009, 11:09:14 PM
plain and simple without the plug it's just a really unique daytona CLONE no?
Then the case can be made that Mr. Norm cars should have no additional value.
The difference is that particular cars modified and sold by Mr. Norm came from a dealer with some name recognition back then. Same for Nickey, Yenko, Baldwin, etc. Those unique cars have enhanced value. But the name "Parsons Dodge" does not exactly go down in the annals of musclecar history.
Now the purple car does have some decent value. Is it worth 250k? Is it above the value of a real '69 Daytona? So far, buyers have not voted "yes" with their wallets.
I will say that in todays times the car isn't worth more than say a 69 Daytona. However wasn't it sold for more than a HEMI Daytona the last time it actually changed hands? I mean wasn't it something like $10K back in 1977 when a HEMI Daytona was probably going at the same time for what $7,500?
Mister Norm's cars mostly get a few more bucks because they usually have the full dealership paperwork. The Yenko keeper of the paper will sell you just a photo-copy only for $5000.00 :o
Of course 440 Darts and any other GSS variants are rare, cool and fetch bigger money. And Norm was kinda the "Yenko" of Mopars....anyone else even come close? Don't think so.
Sell the nose and wing - 40k
A nice (not original survivor) 6 Pack 70 Charger - 65k Total value $105k Less '70 Charger front end to purchase and holes in quarters repaired (-10k) Grand total $95k Putting an end to all this crap ........ Priceless :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
I would think that a 6 pac, RT/SE sunroof car in a high impact color might fetch $100K on its own though.
As far as the Mr. Norms things go of the few Mr. Norms aero cars I notice they do seem to have quite a bit of paperwork. Especially the one 500 I looked at that came from there. STACKS of paperwork.
My friend with the sitting blue AC 69 500 in his yard. Just to name a few of 30 cars he bought back in the day .Has the exact 70 RT FC7 Super track pac car AM 8 track etc .But doesnt have the sunroof .Wouldnt take $100.000 for it
man i hope wings and noses are not going for 40 k
During the peak it may have fetched more than that but these are different times. I can buy, right now, a fantastic original paint survivor '69 Charger R/T, Black with saddle, sunroof, loaded, loaded car for 65k. Maybe I should :scratchchin:
Quote from: moparstuart on January 28, 2009, 09:58:18 AM
man i hope wings and noses are not going for 40 k
A friend bought the NOS nose from Great Lakes for just under 40k and I sold a used wing for 7k.
I agree the market isn't what it was even a year ago, let alone what it was 2 years ago.
Original paint R/T with a sunroof, would be a very nice looking ride. Just don't tell Ed Cook as he loves X9 cars JK. I think he is more into the 500's and A12 cars anyways.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 28, 2009, 10:03:27 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 28, 2009, 09:58:18 AM
man i hope wings and noses are not going for 40 k
A friend bought the NOS nose from Great Lakes for just under 40k and I sold a used wing for 7k.
WOW I think you must have had just the right customer :Twocents: still see daytona wings for 3k-4k
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 28, 2009, 10:01:25 AM
During the peak it may have fetched more than that but these are different times. I can buy, right now, a fantastic original paint survivor '69 Charger R/T, Black with saddle, sunroof, loaded, loaded car for 65k. Maybe I should :scratchchin:
Here is a wing if its still around $2000.00 Daytona Wing for Sale
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Used Daytona wing for sale. Uprights are black and wing is unfinished aluminum. Drivers side upright has some damage to the lower portion where it would meet the top of the quarter. Asking $2000 obo. PM me or Call Bob 607-772-6945. Thanks!
Quote from: DougSchellinger on January 28, 2009, 09:20:26 AM
Quote from: Dodge Don on January 28, 2009, 08:33:17 AM
Quote from: teamroth on January 27, 2009, 11:09:14 PM
plain and simple without the plug it's just a really unique daytona CLONE no?
Then the case can be made that Mr. Norm cars should have no additional value.
The difference is that particular cars modified and sold by Mr. Norm came from a dealer with some name recognition back then. Same for Nickey, Yenko, Baldwin, etc. Those unique cars have enhanced value. But the name "Parsons Dodge" does not exactly go down in the annals of musclecar history.
Now the purple car does have some decent value. Is it worth 250k? Is it above the value of a real '69 Daytona? So far, buyers have not voted "yes" with their wallets.
Doug I was being facetious. I believe a Mr Norm "special" is worth more.
On this 70, I do not for a second believe it is a factory car but I do believe it is a dealer conversion prior to customer delivery. Given that, and taking into consideration the car itself (options...shape) and the notoriety the car has (museum, press, documentation...etc etc) I believe the car, to a collector, is worth more than a real regular average run of the mill 440 Daytona. Is it worth more than a real Hemi Daytona...I wouldn't think so. If I had millions to to enjoy my hobby I'd buy that car in a heartbeat. And I'd buy a 69 Hemi Daytona, and a 70 Hemi Charger R/T SE and a 71 Hemi Charger R/T and and and and.....I think I need to win the lottery (too bad I never play them).
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 28, 2009, 10:09:15 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 28, 2009, 10:01:25 AM
During the peak it may have fetched more than that but these are different times. I can buy, right now, a fantastic original paint survivor '69 Charger R/T, Black with saddle, sunroof, loaded, loaded car for 65k. Maybe I should :scratchchin:
Very nice looking car.
I'd give up my 500 for that car in heartbeat. Man I'm too eager to kick my car to the curb sometimes. But that is a nice looking ride, and RT/SE too boot. What was there 29 RT/SE with factory sunroofs?
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 28, 2009, 10:09:15 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 28, 2009, 10:01:25 AM
During the peak it may have fetched more than that but these are different times. I can buy, right now, a fantastic original paint survivor '69 Charger R/T, Black with saddle, sunroof, loaded, loaded car for 65k. Maybe I should :scratchchin:
:drool5: ..... nice looking charger :yesnod: any pictures of the fender tag :popcrn: ..........
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 28, 2009, 10:09:15 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 28, 2009, 10:01:25 AM
During the peak it may have fetched more than that but these are different times. I can buy, right now, a fantastic original paint survivor '69 Charger R/T, Black with saddle, sunroof, loaded, loaded car for 65k. Maybe I should :scratchchin:
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Tan Top, Sunroof, Passenger Mirror, AND Stripe Delete!
Those are my favorite options, and that car is AMAZING!! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
This car always makes for interesting conversation.
To me I first remember seeing it in magazines as a High Schooler back around 1985'ish. I thought it was cool then and it still passes the test of time as I still really like it today.
In fact the one car I would want to build for myself one day would be a '70 Sunroof Daytona Clone, although it wouldn't be purple.
Does anyone know who the present owner is? Did Jerry actually sell the car when he was liquidating his collection? If so what did it change hands for. I remember seeing it for sale on HemiNet for $250k but that has to be at least 7 years ago now.
Dave
The auction listing says "Hays Kansas", so I assume Jerry has never sold it.
Your right Dave it was for sale at $250K .I got to wonder why this 1 of 1 rare 70 daytona.Never went to a high end auction like Barrett Jackson or some others. When the cars were bringing alot money.Up till now things have changed seems like a bad time in the car market and the economy to try at this time for that price .Could it be that it wouldnt have sold or got any where near its asking price of $250.000 due to the MCG and other related 70 daytona facts and fiction.And the bar set by exposing it there .Wouldnt allow you to get that price after the auction results. As it didnt get enough bids and the collectors were hesitant of it as a investment
I'm still shocked at the guy only getting 120k for the recently restored matching numbers hemi cuda at B-J this year. :shruggy:
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Quote from: hotrod98 on January 29, 2009, 01:49:29 PM
I'm still shocked at the guy only getting 120k for the recently restored matching numbers hemi cuda at B-J this year. :shruggy:
The yellow one?
If so it was rumored to be a restamp and word got out.
Given the state of things, I don't find it a surprise at all.
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on January 29, 2009, 07:32:14 PM
Quote from: hotrod98 on January 29, 2009, 01:49:29 PM
I'm still shocked at the guy only getting 120k for the recently restored matching numbers hemi cuda at B-J this year. :shruggy:
The yellow one?
If so it was rumored to be a restamp and word got out.
The way I see it, probably at least half of the supposedly matching numbers cars are bogus. There have been several instances where people that own so-called matching numbers cars have later found the true original block. We had a guy here locally that that used to bogus the date codes on the old hemi car blocks using bondo. It looked very convincing to me. You couldn't tell.
Quote from: hotrod98 on January 29, 2009, 10:01:11 PM
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on January 29, 2009, 07:32:14 PM
Quote from: hotrod98 on January 29, 2009, 01:49:29 PM
I'm still shocked at the guy only getting 120k for the recently restored matching numbers hemi cuda at B-J this year. :shruggy:
The yellow one?
If so it was rumored to be a restamp and word got out.
The way I see it, probably at least half of the supposedly matching numbers cars are bogus. There have been several instances where people that own so-called matching numbers cars have later found the true original block. We had a guy here locally that that used to bogus the date codes on the old hemi car blocks using bondo. It looked very convincing to me. You couldn't tell.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: I think restamps are way more common them we know or like. greedy people :Twocents:
Much, much more common.
Quote from: 69_500 on January 28, 2009, 07:00:35 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 28, 2009, 10:09:15 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 28, 2009, 10:01:25 AM
During the peak it may have fetched more than that but these are different times. I can buy, right now, a fantastic original paint survivor '69 Charger R/T, Black with saddle, sunroof, loaded, loaded car for 65k. Maybe I should :scratchchin:
Very nice looking car.
I'd give up my 500 for that car in heartbeat. Man I'm too eager to kick my car to the curb sometimes. But that is a nice looking ride, and RT/SE too boot. What was there 29 RT/SE with factory sunroofs?
Thats the color combo i'm torn between with with my original color combo. :brickwall:
Quote from: hotrod98 on January 29, 2009, 10:01:11 PM
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on January 29, 2009, 07:32:14 PM
Quote from: hotrod98 on January 29, 2009, 01:49:29 PM
I'm still shocked at the guy only getting 120k for the recently restored matching numbers hemi cuda at B-J this year. :shruggy:
The yellow one?
If so it was rumored to be a restamp and word got out.
The way I see it, probably at least half of the supposedly matching numbers cars are bogus. There have been several instances where people that own so-called matching numbers cars have later found the true original block. We had a guy here locally that that used to bogus the date codes on the old hemi car blocks using bondo. It looked very convincing to me. You couldn't tell.
why use anything? sand the pad flat with a grinder and a DA and stamp away. hell--the right font is at Production Tool Supply.
I've seen the stamps, and I've even smacked a VIN into a junk head just to see what it looks like. the factory stamps are so bad you don't even need to do a good job!
Pre 68 blocks weren't stamped with the vin but the date code on the block had to be right. This guy I know would find a block with the correct date code, wax it up and make a cast of the date. Then he would grind the date off of the block that he was going to use and use the cast with resin to add a new date code onto the block. Then to make it look good, he would take bondo and harden it and then dab the block with the bondo on a shop rag. Paint it and you would never know the difference. I used to know what he used to make the cast but now I can't remember. Seems like he used clay and then would let the resin start to set up before pouring it into the clay. Then he would brush a little resin onto the block before applying the cast. It's been 30+ years so the memory ain't so great.
Anyway, I would never do this. I like sleeping at night.
why use anything? sand the pad flat with a grinder and a DA and stamp away. hell--the right font is at Production Tool Supply.
I've seen the stamps, and I've even smacked a VIN into a junk head just to see what it looks like. the factory stamps are so bad you don't even need to do a good job!
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Then you end up with a wavy pad with no cross-mill marks and that's assuming the casting date and assembly date on the properly machined top pad are ok as well. Good enough for the free bar, well healed patrons at B-J but not good enough for me. The Guru mis-diagnosed 5 out of 12 cars in one mans collection that he "inspected" earlier. Buyer beware. I just heard of someone else doing buildsheets today as well.....scum of the earth stuff in my mind.
QuotePre 68 blocks weren't stamped with the vin
even early 68 440 blocks aren't stamped with the vin .
I just heard of someone else doing buildsheets today as well.....scum of the earth stuff in my
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Challenger-Barracuda-Charger-RT-BROADCAST-SHEET_W0QQitemZ150324169071QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item150324169071&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A64%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Quote from: Dodge Don on January 30, 2009, 09:29:45 PM
I just heard of someone else doing buildsheets today as well.....scum of the earth stuff in my
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Challenger-Barracuda-Charger-RT-BROADCAST-SHEET_W0QQitemZ150324169071QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item150324169071&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A64%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
I don't know if the numbers are all wrong for legal reasons or if the person is a woodchuck as well as a rotten thieving scum sucking pig ba*sta*d
He says he's doing it as a novelty only, why is there a problem? :insertsarcasm:
Quote from: Ghoste on January 30, 2009, 10:11:33 PM
He says he's doing it as a novelty only, why is there a problem? :insertsarcasm:
Good one!
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 30, 2009, 08:00:56 PM
why use anything? sand the pad flat with a grinder and a DA and stamp away. hell--the right font is at Production Tool Supply.
I've seen the stamps, and I've even smacked a VIN into a junk head just to see what it looks like. the factory stamps are so bad you don't even need to do a good job!
Then you end up with a wavy pad with no cross-mill marks and that's assuming the casting date and assembly date on the properly machined top pad are ok as well. Good enough for the free bar, well healed patrons at B-J but not good enough for me. The Guru mis-diagnosed 5 out of 12 cars in one mans collection that he "inspected" earlier. Buyer beware. I just heard of someone else doing buildsheets today as well.....scum of the earth stuff in my mind.
What kind of block are you guys referring to that has the date codes "stamped"?
All of my block have the dates cast into the side of the block. Just wondering.
Quote from: hotrod98 on January 31, 2009, 02:12:42 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 30, 2009, 08:00:56 PM
why use anything? sand the pad flat with a grinder and a DA and stamp away. hell--the right font is at Production Tool Supply.
I've seen the stamps, and I've even smacked a VIN into a junk head just to see what it looks like. the factory stamps are so bad you don't even need to do a good job!
Then you end up with a wavy pad with no cross-mill marks and that's assuming the casting date and assembly date on the properly machined top pad are ok as well. Good enough for the free bar, well healed patrons at B-J but not good enough for me. The Guru mis-diagnosed 5 out of 12 cars in one mans collection that he "inspected" earlier. Buyer beware. I just heard of someone else doing buildsheets today as well.....scum of the earth stuff in my mind.
What kind of block are you guys referring to that has the date codes "stamped"?
All of my block have the dates cast into the side of the block. Just wondering.
Assembly date on the top pad - This example being April 8 (1969 - Being an "E440" ).
Quote from: hotrod98 on January 31, 2009, 02:12:42 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 30, 2009, 08:00:56 PM
why use anything? sand the pad flat with a grinder and a DA and stamp away. hell--the right font is at Production Tool Supply.
I've seen the stamps, and I've even smacked a VIN into a junk head just to see what it looks like. the factory stamps are so bad you don't even need to do a good job!
Then you end up with a wavy pad with no cross-mill marks and that's assuming the casting date and assembly date on the properly machined top pad are ok as well. Good enough for the free bar, well healed patrons at B-J but not good enough for me. The Guru mis-diagnosed 5 out of 12 cars in one mans collection that he "inspected" earlier. Buyer beware. I just heard of someone else doing buildsheets today as well.....scum of the earth stuff in my mind.
What kind of block are you guys referring to that has the date codes "stamped"?
All of my block have the dates cast into the side of the block. Just wondering.
Larry, the top pad stamped by the distributor for example F 440 for 1970 and under it 11-12 for build date Nov 12 1969
Ken
There are also ways to check to see if the numbers have been ground off and restamped as well.
Maxwellwedge, I appologize for not making it up there to check out the cars this weekend. Family problems arouse, and needed to take care of those long before i thought of making any trips to check out cars for my own personal satisfaction. Family first, cars come later down the line. Any chance to get up there to check them out at a later date?
Maxwellwedge my daytona also had similar pad and markings .Down to the inverted A which means its a 0.20 overbore from the factory
Quote from: 69_500 on January 31, 2009, 11:22:20 AM
There are also ways to check to see if the numbers have been ground off and restamped as well.
Maxwellwedge, I appologize for not making it up there to check out the cars this weekend. Family problems arouse, and needed to take care of those long before i thought of making any trips to check out cars for my own personal satisfaction. Family first, cars come later down the line. Any chance to get up there to check them out at a later date?
Sorry to hear - hope everything turns out ok.
I thought you were coming - Hemigeno with no co-pilot? He will be here in about 2 hours. Did he bring any women.....Ooops, did I type that :angel:
They actually let him across the border - must of been wearing his fur-lined speedo with the Canadian flag on it.... :rofl:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on January 31, 2009, 11:43:13 AM
Maxwellwedge my daytona also had similar pad and markings .Down to the inverted A which means its a 0.20 overbore from the factory
Yes - That is what they absolutely should mean but every motor I have ever rebuilt with that "A" on it has been standard bore :scratchchin:
Gibson thought it may have identified it as an A134 Power Pack engine (375 Horse). I had a couple with multiple A's on the bottom rear pan rail - again perhaps identifying it as a hi-po. Go figure huh?
Yup, Gene is going alone this weekend. Hopefully he made it there without any delays, and had a great time looking at the cars. I'm assuming he is on his return journey to Missouri as I type this.
Quote from: 69_500 on February 01, 2009, 01:53:00 PM
Yup, Gene is going alone this weekend. Hopefully he made it there without any delays, and had a great time looking at the cars. I'm assuming he is on his return journey to Missouri as I type this.
He got here ok Saturday at 2:00 after meeting Customs Officer Olga - The one with the rubber gloves, yes - plural :^) ......He left today at Noon - EST - He should be back home by the 35th of Julumber.
He brought a lot of cool stuff to look at! He kept saying, " Danny would have taken 20 pictures of this and made me hold up dark paper behind that and would have been calling my camera a toy camera..." :icon_smile_big:
I think he saw a bunch of interesting details. Next time you gotta come on up.
Some random guy standing beside some random car.
I see Hemi Geno made the trip up North .And hopefully will enlighten us on here with pictures and details when he returns.I see you got the headlights out mine were the orig GE/s and had stamped on date codes .The headlight door had SAEXX29 engraved into the door inside lower edge.Did you find those details on your 2 daytonas
Hemigeno? Was that who that random guy was? :laugh: The Hi-Lo's are GE - The one out of the car I think was March 69. The Hi-Beams were replaced with some old Lucas hi-powered deals. I will have a closer look to see if there is any engraving on the H/L doors.
Quote from: nascarxx29 on February 01, 2009, 05:50:15 PM
The headlight door had SAEXX29 engraved into the door inside lower edge.Did you find those details on your 2 daytonas
Where exactly is that on yours - any pics? Thanks
I would have to look to find certain pictures .But as I recall on either headlight door at the lower edge below the headlights almost blocked by the trim rings .Is where I found the SAE XX29
Thanks - I'll put on my glasses :flame: and have a good look.
I'd be more than happy to make a trip up there to take some pics of the car. I had two video camera's packed and ready for the trip, as well as my digital camera and I had just went and scored 4 more memory cards for the digital camera just for that trip. I figured that I was covered, with 60 gig of memory cars for the camera, and 1 Mini DV video camera, and a nice new Sony HD camera will all the bells and whistles. Guess I won't get to play with it for a couple more months now. Oh well.
Quote from: 69_500 on February 02, 2009, 08:44:36 PM
I'd be more than happy to make a trip up there to take some pics of the car. I had two video camera's packed and ready for the trip, as well as my digital camera and I had just went and scored 4 more memory cards for the digital camera just for that trip. I figured that I was covered, with 60 gig of memory cars for the camera, and 1 Mini DV video camera, and a nice new Sony HD camera will all the bells and whistles. Guess I won't get to play with it for a couple more months now. Oh well.
Open invite for you. Did you notice the lack of a speedo for the picture? We have to maintain some taste and proper decorum ;D
Quote from: maxwellwedge on February 02, 2009, 08:48:39 PM
Did you notice the lack of a speedo for the picture? We have to maintain some taste and proper decorum ;D
Olga & Co.'s vehicle strip search at the border was a feverish attempt to make sure that I did NOT bring a speedo along!
Funny, I never thought I fit the profile of a smuggler before Saturday...
Quote from: hemigeno on February 02, 2009, 09:34:28 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on February 02, 2009, 08:48:39 PM
Did you notice the lack of a speedo for the picture? We have to maintain some taste and proper decorum ;D
Olga & Co.'s vehicle strip search at the border was a feverish attempt to make sure that I did NOT bring a speedo along!
Good point - The secret is NO Speedo.
Ah so did you really have a nice time at the customs station? I can only imagine if you did have problems how much larger they would have been with 4 bags of camera equipment as well.
Quote from: 69_500 on February 05, 2009, 09:26:42 PM
Ah so did you really have a nice time at the customs station? I can only imagine if you did have problems how much larger they would have been with 4 bags of camera equipment as well.
I can say that the Canadian customs guys (plus Olga!) were extremely professional, but they were definitely no-nonsense types. When I pulled into the inspection area their hands were on the holster, and they ordered me away from the vehicle as soon as I stopped. Before travelling, I had cleaned out everything I didn't absolutely need to take with me, just to make it easier in case they did want to do a search. Vance didn't help things when I stopped off at his shop, as he loaded me down with a bunch of parts to take back with me. I wouldn't have minded doing that any other time, but the border guys seemed as interested in the value of those parts and what I was going to do with them as they were in confirming that I wasn't bringing any firearms/liquor/cigarrettes/speedos along.
The 4 bags of camera equipment may have pushed them over the edge though... :rofl:
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Sounds familiar Gene, except it happened to me back in the 80's. Two friends and I came back from the nats and declared a bunch of parts with reciepts of course, but you know what pissed them off? some t-shirts we were GIVEN by some vendor that was in our luggage (they didn't even look at the parts!). We were quickly informed how criminal we were attempting to "smuggle" 3 free t-shirts amongst thousands of dollars in parts when we were supposed to declare the "VALUE" of ALL goods regardless of what was paid. Hours later (went thru luggage, NOT PARTS, many times untill 3:00 AM) we were allowed to leave after we paid duty and taxes on those 3 cheap shirts which we were not even allowed to leave in the garbage at the border. Go figure.
I hate the full body cavity search. :yesnod:
As a Canadian myself who goes back and forth across the border it has always been a pleasent experience going south .The gaurds have always been very professional and very accomadating.But coming back HOME ( Quebec ) it is always the same BS .These guys will squeeze you for a buck.They treat everyone like they are criminals.And if you do not speak french well good luck..US - 1 . CAN - 0
I have gone through customs in prince rupert from Ketchikan many times going to seattle and am hassled every time. I remember in 78 going through in a 70 challenger R/T 440 car in the dead on winter with bald snow tires . We would get stuck every so often and huge plow trucks would tow us to the top of the next hill. lucky we didn't freeze to death .
we then got pulled over by kamloops police and tormented as we had stock tires on roof tied down, they thought we stole the tires.Then I went to seattle twice in vans loaded with band equipment, we were taken into interrogation rooms for hours and interrogated , while our van as stripped down. lord I will never go to canada again. just too many hassles. I can imagine it has just gotton worse.
I have gone back and forth 100's of times and have never really had any problems. I have trailered cars to shows and have brought back parts numerous times without a hassle. Of course now that I put my mouth on it I will probably get Olga and Uncle Ernie the next time with a full body cavity search with used gloves. :o
The guy from Canada that got my car .Had issues getting it back into Canada.
Quote from: nascarxx29 on February 08, 2009, 06:23:18 PM
The guy from Canada that got my car .Had issues getting it back into Canada.
I have gotten over 20 cars from the U.S. (sorry my American buddies :icon_smile_big:) and as long as the paperwork is filled out properly and you don't lie thru your teeth on the price it goes across like s&%t thru a goose.
One guy I know lied about what he paid and it was bought of ebay at 4 times what he claimed....Duh......He got nailed, car got impounded and he had to pony up the full taxes, a fine (10k) and storage. :o :o :o :o
I just wrote up a little guide on my website for buying and selling cars across the US/Canadian border:
http://mapleleafmopars.homestead.com/ImportingandExporting.html
My experiences is that I just tell'em the truth with whatever I am trying to do and I seem to get by ok. I think most problems start because the Border Agents get lied to all the time and just get sick of hearing bs. When I am dealling with the US side I try and remember that I am a guest and they get my best behavior.
Dave
The Windsor/Detroit crossing is where I normally cross and I typically find a very small degree of hassle (very very small) entering the US unless I'm going to a car event or driving the Charger and then the Detroit side guys nearly always want to talk about cars for several minutes. Coming back into Canada at Windsor I have never had a problem in many years. It sometimes seems like I could have dead bodies in the trunk and they wouldn't care. Having a passport and not being an ass at the customs stations helps tremendously though.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on February 08, 2009, 06:30:35 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on February 08, 2009, 06:23:18 PM
The guy from Canada that got my car .Had issues getting it back into Canada.
I have gotten over 20 cars from the U.S. (sorry my American buddies :icon_smile_big:) and as long as the paperwork is filled out properly and you don't lie thru your teeth on the price it goes across like s&%t thru a goose.
One guy I know lied about what he paid and it was bought of ebay at 4 times what he claimed....Duh......He got nailed, car got impounded and he had to pony up the full taxes, a fine (10k) and storage. :o :o :o :o
And his name was Randy??? ;)
Beautiful ride-regardless ! :o
Quote from: Magnumcharger on March 19, 2009, 08:30:19 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on February 08, 2009, 06:30:35 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on February 08, 2009, 06:23:18 PM
The guy from Canada that got my car .Had issues getting it back into Canada.
I have gotten over 20 cars from the U.S. (sorry my American buddies :icon_smile_big:) and as long as the paperwork is filled out properly and you don't lie thru your teeth on the price it goes across like s&%t thru a goose.
One guy I know lied about what he paid and it was bought of ebay at 4 times what he claimed....Duh......He got nailed, car got impounded and he had to pony up the full taxes, a fine (10k) and storage. :o :o :o :o
And his name was Randy??? ;)
No - It was T-5 :smilielol:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on March 20, 2009, 04:40:38 PM
Quote from: Magnumcharger on March 19, 2009, 08:30:19 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on February 08, 2009, 06:30:35 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on February 08, 2009, 06:23:18 PM
The guy from Canada that got my car .Had issues getting it back into Canada.
I have gotten over 20 cars from the U.S. (sorry my American buddies :icon_smile_big:) and as long as the paperwork is filled out properly and you don't lie thru your teeth on the price it goes across like s&%t thru a goose.
One guy I know lied about what he paid and it was bought of ebay at 4 times what he claimed....Duh......He got nailed, car got impounded and he had to pony up the full taxes, a fine (10k) and storage. :o :o :o :o
And his name was Randy??? ;)
No - It was T-5 :smilielol:
Ok...I knew a guy named Randy that had this exact situation befall him. Lied at the border...and paid dearly!
This fellows name is not Randy but the same result was bestowed on him.