Would you consider a ford talledega a necessary piece in an aero car collection? I know nothing about them but there is a white one for sale on hemmings. If i sold my 65 barracuda i could afford it, i just dont know their vslue or history. Then a 69 c500 in white i would have all 4 of the aero cars if talledega is part of the group.
Better save up for the 5th aero car ;)
Without the Talladega, there would be no Daytona or Superbird.
you'll need both of the dearborn aero cars to make a full house.
luckily for you, while colors choices were very sparse, white is one of them on both versions
Quote from: Aero426 on February 08, 2017, 09:25:20 PM
Without the Talladega, there would be no Daytona or Superbird.
:2thumbs:
Ok youve got me what is the 5th car? Cyclone?
Mercury Cyclone Spoiler II
https://www.legendarycollectorcars.com/museum/1969-mercury-cyclone-dan-gurney-special-spoiler-ii/
Quote from: taxspeaker on February 08, 2017, 09:15:47 PM
Would you consider a ford talledega a necessary piece in an aero car collection? I know nothing about them but there is a white one for sale on hemmings. If i sold my 65 barracuda i could afford it, i just dont know their vslue or history. Then a 69 c500 in white i would have all 4 of the aero cars if talledega is part of the group.
You might want to consider adding one of these, to have an ultimate Aero collection...call me when you want one built :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: DAY CLONA on February 09, 2017, 05:35:35 AM
Quote from: taxspeaker on February 08, 2017, 09:15:47 PM
Would you consider a ford talledega a necessary piece in an aero car collection? I know nothing about them but there is a white one for sale on hemmings. If i sold my 65 barracuda i could afford it, i just dont know their vslue or history. Then a 69 c500 in white i would have all 4 of the aero cars if talledega is part of the group.
You might want to consider adding one of these, to have an ultimate Aero collection...call me when you want one built :icon_smile_big:
I understand the metal work but what do you do about a bumper ?
The bumper is of a Pinto. :nana:
Maybe some 71 cars too?
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on February 09, 2017, 09:40:01 AM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on February 09, 2017, 05:35:35 AM
Quote from: taxspeaker on February 08, 2017, 09:15:47 PM
Would you consider a ford talledega a necessary piece in an aero car collection? I know nothing about them but there is a white one for sale on hemmings. If i sold my 65 barracuda i could afford it, i just dont know their vslue or history. Then a 69 c500 in white i would have all 4 of the aero cars if talledega is part of the group.
You might want to consider adding one of these, to have an ultimate Aero collection...call me when you want one built :icon_smile_big:
I understand the metal work but what do you do about a bumper ?
No different than fabricating any other part of the car
Quote from: WINGMAN on February 09, 2017, 11:25:44 AM
The bumper is of a Pinto. :nana:
Pinto or Maverick?, possibility?...wouldn't be the first time an auto manufacture raids it's parts bin for readily available parts, all the manufactures do it
None the less a cool car, be it the Mercury or Ford versions
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King Cobra,
Aero before styling?
Looks more like a rear engined Italian supercar than a nascar!
Not for me its Daytona all the way... :2thumbs:
Gotta agree......not pretty at all.
Quote from: DAY CLONA on February 09, 2017, 12:19:39 PM
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on February 09, 2017, 09:40:01 AM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on February 09, 2017, 05:35:35 AM
Quote from: taxspeaker on February 08, 2017, 09:15:47 PM
Would you consider a ford talledega a necessary piece in an aero car collection? I know nothing about them but there is a white one for sale on hemmings. If i sold my 65 barracuda i could afford it, i just dont know their vslue or history. Then a 69 c500 in white i would have all 4 of the aero cars if talledega is part of the group.
Mike - You ever going to make a replica of the radical "aero" front end and bubble-back window 1971 B Body? (either Dodge or Plymouth version)
For those that don't know, the 'aero' versions started to drop the front over the wheel, continuing to front edge. It involver new fenders, hood and rad support. The back glass ended well into the trunk lid. Too much $$ for re-tooling to even think about, but did lower the drag numbers!
Quote from: 500Jon on February 10, 2017, 11:54:29 AM
King Cobra,
Aero before styling?
Looks more like a rear engined Italian supercar than a nascar!
Actually, it is more a case of styling before aero. That is one reason why it was slower than the Talladega.
Quote from: Aero426 on February 10, 2017, 03:01:26 PM
Quote from: 500Jon on February 10, 2017, 11:54:29 AM
King Cobra,
Aero before styling?
Looks more like a rear engined Italian supercar than a nascar!
Actually, it is more a case of styling before aero. That is one reason why it was slower than the Talladega.
Ford was adamant that NO HIGH FLYING WING would appear on the Ford. Hence, severe oversteer in the corners during tests of the race version.
I heard way too much front downforce also on the King cars
Quote from: A383Wing on February 10, 2017, 06:02:49 PM
I heard way too much front downforce also on the King cars
That's what I said... :cheers:
Quote from: odcics2 on February 10, 2017, 01:30:12 PM
Mike - You ever going to make a replica of the radical "aero" front end and bubble-back window 1971 B Body? (either Dodge or Plymouth version)
For those that don't know, the 'aero' versions started to drop the front over the wheel, continuing to front edge. It involver new fenders, hood and rad support. The back glass ended well into the trunk lid. Too much $$ for re-tooling to even think about, but did lower the drag numbers!
Greg, personally for myself No, but if commissioned by a customer, I'd have no issues with the fabrication end of the deal, the looks that would be generated however, it's slightly ungainly IMHO
The front end is keeping with "tradition" though
One thing most don't notice is the complete lack of any fender scoops on the 1971 3/8 scale aero test models, no mention, no intention for their use at all, which I found strange
However when I was fabricating the 71 Tona and Bird I knew there was no intention of using fender scoops after reading the Gseries wind tunnel test posted from 1970, but I felt the cars needed them, in keeping with "tradition" of the 69 and 70 models appearance, and not having them would bring into focus either awkward looks or questions as to WHY they're not present, not one person has ever commented on the "fact" that the 71's have fender scoops where there should be none?
Mike
I believe there is a black and white drawing of a side view with the 'aero' front that has a "non-standard" cone on it, in the G series aero study.
IIRC, the front starts to drop over the wheels, or maybe the illusion is because the base of the front glass is stretched forward, "cab forward Intrepid" style.
In any event, the wing is too tall, from a styling perspective. That looks odd!
In the top photo, the front starts to droop over the wheels, IMO.
Gen2 Daytona Charger looks well coolio!
Gen2 Birdy looks kinda oddball, nose is too high for my liking.
Chunky trunk-lid spoiler would have been enough for me too. (EVO style)
Quote from: 500Jon on February 11, 2017, 09:08:34 AM
Gen2 Daytona Charger looks well coolio!
Gen2 Birdy looks kinda oddball, nose is too high for my liking.
Chunky trunk-lid spoiler would have been enough for me too. (EVO style)
"Gen 2" usually refers to the 68-70 B body period, 69-70 wingcars are the F series, and "3rd Gen" 1971 B bodies of the winged variety are G series designation
I assume your referencing the 71 Superbird nose? I chose the 12" minimum change nosecone for the project as it incorporated the 71 RR/GTX/Sat lower valance, grille, lights, etc, etc...I felt it would have been a possible compromise made by Chrysler management if the cars were produced for public consumption based on NASCAR's rules regarding available production units to qualify the car for track status
Mike
Quote from: DAY CLONA on February 10, 2017, 10:48:30 PM
One thing most don't notice is the complete lack of any fender scoops on the 1971 3/8 scale aero test models, no mention, no intention for their use at all, which I found strange
However when I was fabricating the 71 Tona and Bird I knew there was no intention of using fender scoops after reading the Gseries wind tunnel test posted from 1970, but I felt the cars needed them, in keeping with "tradition" of the 69 and 70 models appearance, and not having them would bring into focus either awkward looks or questions as to WHY they're not present, not one person has ever commented on the "fact" that the 71's have fender scoops where there should be none?
Mike
I have to confess - I love the 71 Body Style better than the one I have. I know its one of those crazy things - but I keep waiting to hit the lottery and come beg you to take my money! Your work is amazing.
Dayclona (Mike), what actuates the headlight doors on your G-series? Vacuum, electric, manual? Thanks.
Quote from: bannedbird on February 12, 2017, 11:33:08 PM
Dayclona (Mike), what actuates the headlight doors on your G-series? Vacuum, electric, manual? Thanks.
I am curious also, would like to see a video of them opening & closing :2thumbs:
Quote from: bannedbird on February 12, 2017, 11:33:08 PM
Dayclona (Mike), what actuates the headlight doors on your G-series? Vacuum, electric, manual? Thanks.
The Daytona uses the stock 1971 electric motor and single rod to connect the headlites together, the Black 71 Aero Superbee/Tona used 2 stock 71 electric motors mounted on each headlite bucket, the 71 Bird uses 84-87 Pontiac Fiero motor on each headlite assy, sorry no pics of the smaller assys/fabrications, these cars were built 12-14 years ago
Mike
Thanks and interesting stuff with great pictures, but back to my original post, please.
I can inspect Mopars with the best of them for accuracy, but I am lost on Fords. Can someone recommend a person to inspect a Talladega for me for correctness and body/mechanical? PM if needed or just email me tax...@gmail.com
Ready to pull the trigger on a white Talladega and putting the 65 Barracuda on ebay or with gateway in a couple of weeks.
Thanks
Bob
Quote from: DAY CLONA on February 13, 2017, 04:56:08 AM
Quote from: bannedbird on February 12, 2017, 11:33:08 PM
Dayclona (Mike), what actuates the headlight doors on your G-series? Vacuum, electric, manual? Thanks.
The Daytona uses the stock 1971 electric motor and single rod to connect the headlites together, the Black 71 Aero Superbee/Tona used 2 stock 71 electric motors mounted on each headlite bucket, the 71 Bird uses 84-87 Pontiac Fiero motor on each headlite assy, sorry no pics of the smaller assys/fabrications, these cars were built 12-14 years ago
Mike
WOW time flies, 14 years ago already was at Vernon Ct. I was parked beside you and automotive evolution moves on. :yesnod:
Quote from: taxspeaker on March 08, 2017, 05:25:52 PM
Ready to pull the trigger on a white Talladega
Bob
Bob, just sent you an email.