Caught this on Moparts.....
rare SE car as well w/power windows.
Link to auction, pics & video is here. Car is in Canada....anyone know which one it is?
http://www.gordonsestateservices.com/live/ProductionSite/Auction_Services___03905586986229859.aspx
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That would be the famous first shipped Daytona wouldn't it? The one that Mr. Cheesebrough owns? I probably spelled his name wrong though.
Quote from: 69_500 on September 13, 2008, 07:50:56 AM
That would be the famous first shipped Daytona wouldn't it? The one that Mr. Cheesebrough owns? I probably spelled his name wrong though.
The first Daytona shipped was from Grove Motors in Huntington,PA.Bought new by Charlie Shetrom.The same gentleman I bought my bird from in 1982.Lives 32mi from me.Could have had the Daytona for $40k in 1984,wasn't interested. :image_294343:
The first daytona shipped was actually shipped to Canada.
:drool5: nice :yesnod: .......... i'm thinking the first shipped Daytona was not a SE , but had dealer installed 6 pack , pretty sure it it was reastored quite some time ago................ :popcrn:
Six Pack? Yeah, I got one. Its out in the fridge. :D
What wheels is that thing wearing? SE hubcaps? :eek2:
Quote from: 69_500 on September 13, 2008, 09:55:27 AM
The first daytona shipped was actually shipped to Canada.
I'll correct that,first wing car delivered in the U.S.
Quote from: WingCharger on September 13, 2008, 11:57:40 AM
Six Pack? Yeah, I got one. Its out in the fridge. :D
What wheels is that thing wearing? SE hubcaps? :eek2:
those are the deluxe Charger hubcaps. 3-Daytona's F5 car is coded for them, too. they're a ton better looking than beanies, imo.
Quote from: pettybird on September 13, 2008, 06:40:58 PM
Quote from: WingCharger on September 13, 2008, 11:57:40 AM
Six Pack? Yeah, I got one. Its out in the fridge. :D
What wheels is that thing wearing? SE hubcaps? :eek2:
those are the deluxe Charger hubcaps. 3-Daytona's F5 car is coded for them, too. they're a ton better looking than beanies, imo.
Poverty Hubcaps look better than those. :eek2:
it dosen't have trunk supports for the wing
Quote from: redrider on September 15, 2008, 03:32:58 PM
it dosen't have trunk supports for the wing
good spot i never noticed that :slap: ........... hmmm thats odd :scratchchin:................... :popcrn:
wow why no left rear wing support , removed for space ????
Quote from: moparstuart on September 15, 2008, 03:44:26 PM
wow why no left rear wing support , removed for space ????
Maybe they hauled moonshine in it? :D
Quote from: WingCharger on September 15, 2008, 04:03:49 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on September 15, 2008, 03:44:26 PM
wow why no left rear wing support , removed for space ????
Maybe they hauled moonshine in it? :D
yeah that would be such an inconspicuious car to run shine in !
Quote from: moparstuart on September 15, 2008, 04:13:04 PM
Quote from: WingCharger on September 15, 2008, 04:03:49 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on September 15, 2008, 03:44:26 PM
wow why no left rear wing support , removed for space ????
Maybe they hauled moonshine in it? :D
yeah that would be such an inconspicuious car to run shine in !
And the General Lee wasnt? :smilielol:
Watch the video,it looks like the trunk supports were never there in the first place.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this car discussed at length over on Moparts a few months back? in the middle of the mod top fiasco? I could have this one confused with another Daytona, but I am pretty sure in that thread there was someone stating that they had put the 6 pac on the car not the original dealership? And as far as the wing braces go, they knew they needed those before they ever rolled this car out of Creative as far as I know. Granted its listed as being the first car shipped, but that doesn't mean it was the first one they converted. considering that it was built oh nearly 3 months after the actual first Daytona.
It was on moparts dayclona posted its picture in the daytona modtop post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4Tx3JAFi8o
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320270469583&_trksid=e11010.m204&_trkparms=algo%3DSI%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D8&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:MOTORS:1123
First Daytona Shipped from the Factory is Going up for Auction
Kingston ON. The very first Dodge Daytona ever shipped from Detroit back in 1969 is going up for auction on October 4th, 2008 in a small city in Ontario, Canada. The one-owner car was purchased new off the Kingston Dodge lot by Dr. John Chesbrough in 1970. Apparently, the car had been on display at the 1969 auto show and the Kingston Ontario car dealer convinced Dodge to give him the car for his lot.
Chesbrough has driven this car only 34,000 miles and it is in original condition except for a factory warranty repaint in 1971. One of the interesting features of the car is the dealer installed six-pack and finned valve covers. "That was how I purchased it." says Chesbrough, "I imagine they put those items on to make it more saleable - they tried almost everything to get it off the lot."
Online video interview of the owner with the car here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4Tx3JAFi8o
No car truly represents the beginning of this important age in the development of the American car than this very original specimen. 1st shipped from the factory, low miles, original, and in excellent shape, the car has remained in the care of its enthusiastic owner since purchased new in 1970.
Who will buy this well preserved and unique piece of American automotive history?
Call Barry Gordon, Gordon's Estate Services Ltd., 613-542-0963, Mon - Fri 830am - 5pm eastern time. Owner can be contacted for personal interviews through the estate agent.
Was it a oversight this car was a month early.They had to cut costs by leaving them out.Or just forgot them???
This car was shipped aprox one month before any of the others started shipping (according to the Creative Industries shipping list). The trunk mats look original with typical wear for the 39 years they have been in use and there are no mounting holes or marks of any kind in the trunk floor.
Does anyone have a better explaination?
They did use this 2 pages of these details at Creative .
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Found the last page
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You would think as they had these out lined instructions .That between step 64 or 65 You would notice the wing braces are not there.I had poor workmanship and quality control details on my old daytona .But they didnt leave off major parts.suprisingly this car is missing its buildsheet being the 1 st daytona.And seats from another daytona shouldnt have been a factor. And doesnt have its original spare tire.And there is no dealer sales invoice for this one owner car.That already had the 6 pack on it and looks like cal custom valve covers .But still a stunning car and first on the daytona shipment list .Wonder what it will bring
I would like to view the car in person, to come up with an idea on the wing braces, and the lack there of in the photo's and video. Having looked over the actual first Daytona recently, I can say that they had the idea of the braces long before that car was even coming down the assembly line, let alone shipped to creative.
Was talking to Gene about this one as well. We were wondering just because it is listed as the first one shipped out doesn't mean it was the first one convereted. If you go sequentially by VIN there would have been plenty of other cars at Creative at the same time to be converted, with no way really of knowing which is truly the first Daytona.
Where can i find the video? Link no worky
On page 2 there is a link 6 pack daytona comes up for auction with video
The other thing is that daytonas were built from from 427 April 27 - 6 12 June 12.This is a early car with a 610 scheduled production date Job #926164 for XX29L9B414619
And yet there is a Daytona with a SPD in February as well. And June 10th is far from early consiering that there were cars built in April and all of May as well. Last Daytona is only 4,000 VIN digits later, and the first one is over 45,000 digits earlier.
Most likely still the Dale reeker XX29L9B287970 maybe be the 1st daytona?Friend of mine has a daytona which is on the ship list as dodge executive garage car that never went to dealer its loaded with PW etc it had a buildsheet. Which I got a copy of is a 355 car with a 926028 # job number.the other climed number 1 daytona is 355101 with a 427 SPD #926020
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287970 still exists, and might be going in for a restoration soon. It has what can best be explained as some prototype features found on no other Daytona - and was almost certainly used by Creative to mock up the nosecone. Out of any of 'em, 287970 can legitimately lay claim as both the first, and the lowest VIN Daytona. There is some pretty convincing photographic evidence of that too,
Thats what I was trying to say Dave. You have the Dale Reeker car that is the lowest VIN by far, then you have 355101 which would be the first one that is actually in a batch, and then you have this one that is a the first shipped, then you also have another one that is the first shipped to a US Dealership. So you have 4 cars that can somewhat lay claim to being the first Daytona, but even of those you don't know for certain which one was done first. Although with some strong evidence that I've seen I'd still say that Dale's car was the first one that was even converted. There is photographic evidence that at least one Daytona was converted before April 1st 1969 which puts it before this first shipped Daytona which wasn't shipped until what 4 months later?
I will not pretend to know why but I will add...
We bought a 70 Charger RT with a dealer installed Daytona wing that just came with "wing washers" (23-stanchion reinforcements) that were welded on. It was sturdy and was driven daily for years and even dragged for about five years with no problems what-so-ever with the quarters.
I am just wondering. The NASCAR version of the Daytona did not use the production wing bracing but used their own, most individually created by each team, and therefore the homologation rules did not apply to the wing bracing. Even the early test cars of the Daytona did not have wing bracing until the rear trunk quarters were compromised at the new top speeds that the Daytona was achieving. Of course the production Daytona's did not list top speeds of 180-200mph. Early on the wing bracing may not have been something they were going to require. Just a thought.
Top 10 scenarios to why the wing braces where not installed on this early Daytona.
1. Wing bracing was viewed optional on the early Daytona's and one got out the door until they implemented the standard. (CYA)
2. Maybe because the supplier was not on time and this early Daytona did not have them installed.
3. A simple oversight. Wing bracing was viewed as not important, this one went out the door early and soon after at a staff meeting the boss laid down the law.
4. The dealership that received it did not want them. They wanted more room in the trunk.
5. The Mafia ordered it and needed more trunk room.
6. The trunk mat did not have holes for the braces and the engineers did not know what to do.
7. They put the wing on in the wrong order and the bracing would not fit.
8. A Creative employee thought they were Z bracing to the frame mounts.
9. Creative got a box of Daytona parts from Canada that were missing the braces. (Just kidding)
10. The jack engineer was fighting with the wing engineer over the braces being to close, so the scissor jack engineer snuck in at night and altered the build sheet.
Quote from: Daytona Guy on September 26, 2008, 01:35:31 AM
I will not pretend to know why but I will add...
We bought a 70 Charger RT with a dealer installed Daytona wing that just came with "wing washers" (23-stanchion reinforcements) that were welded on. It was sturdy and was driven daily for years and even dragged for about five years with no problems what-so-ever with the quarters.
I am just wondering. The NASCAR version of the Daytona did not use the production wing bracing but used their own, most individually created by each team, and therefore the homologation rules did not apply to the wing bracing. Even the early test cars of the Daytona did not have wing bracing until the rear trunk quarters were compromised at the new top speeds that the Daytona was achieving. Of course the production Daytona's did not list top speeds of 180-200mph. Early on the wing bracing may not have been something they were going to require. Just a thought.
Top 10 scenarios to why the wing braces where not installed on this early Daytona.
1. Wing bracing was viewed optional on the early Daytona's and one got out the door until they implemented the standard. (CYA)
2. Maybe because the supplier was not on time and this early Daytona did not have them installed.
3. A simple oversight. Wing bracing was viewed as not important, this one went out the door early and soon after at a staff meeting the boss laid down the law.
4. The dealership that received it did not want them. They wanted more room in the trunk.
5. The Mafia ordered it and needed more trunk room.
6. The trunk mat did not have holes for the braces and the engineers did not know what to do.
7. They put the wing on in the wrong order and the bracing would not fit.
8. A Creative employee thought they were Z bracing to the frame mounts.
9. Creative got a box of Daytona parts from Canada that were missing the braces. (Just kidding)
10. The jack engineer was fighting with the wing engineer over the braces being to close, so the scissor jack engineer snuck in at night and altered the build sheet.
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Don't laugh too much, number 10 could be the one if I guess by some of the engineers where I work.
11. One of the creative employees decided to build his own wingcar by stealing one part at a time.
Unfortunately he was fired the following day before he could get the wing washers because he accidentally mixed up all of the seats out of the cars.
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 26, 2008, 10:00:48 AM
11. One of the creative employees decided to build his own wingcar by stealing one part at a time.
Unfortunately he was fired the following day before he could get the wing washers because he accidentally mixed up all of the seats out of the cars.
did they fit in his lunch box? no thats not a wing upright in the pants leg :shruggy:
Quote from: FLG on September 25, 2008, 04:47:11 PM
Where can i find the video? Link no worky
Says video has been removed by user.Wonder why!
That video makes for good entertainment. Too bad it was pulled.
I am not sure why it was pulled but the car was repainted in the 1980's, video states last painted at the dealer in 1971 :icon_smile_blackeye:
Video says car was bought new with six pack setup, with no documentation to back in up. Meanwhile that too was added years later. :icon_smile_blackeye: IT IS NOT A DEALER SIX PACK CAR.
Interesting the owner also mentioned that the fender top holes under the scoops were filled during the repaint...at this point I am wondering if that was the truth or maybe this wasn't done at Creative too????
Neat car and based on the Shipment list it has the best claim to 1st Daytona in my opinion.
Here's some more pics
Some more
Last pic is to show the wiring is missing for the trunk light? Think Creative might have lost it during conversion? Factory mistake? Owner mod?
Who's ever seen a heater box like that? I haven't :shruggy:
Here is a working link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/gordonsmarketing
Dave
Things also noticed from that video the fender holes closed up at time of repaint .Everybody shoves a sponge in the scoop.
The mag hubcaps wrong valve covers door speaker and underdash CB ? or Radio.You think a PW SE might have a FM
The missing wing braces and original spare and any documentation from this 1 owner car.
So Dave, is this the same car that was discussed over on Moparts that someone said they put the 6 pack on the car in the early 80's? That it wasn't on there when new? I was thinking it was the same car, but wanted to hear it from someone else as well.
I take it you have looked the car over in person then Dave?
I believe it was Beep Beep Dave who has the Canada wingcar scene covered that had that first hand 6 pack daytona info on moparts .Who also found my car in Canada .It trust his eyes and ears of Canadian wingcars going ons .I havent seen this one up close
Dayclona on moparts introduced that car in the mod top topic
Mike you got most of that story right except the car wasn't a six pack car until well into the 1990's.
I heard an interesting story about the car when it was new. mccannix knows the car well and even provided the six pack setup that current sits on the engine. Hopefully he will see this and chime in.
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Here's pics of the "6 pak" car......still owned by the original owner, who took possession of it at Winston Dodge, in 69......still in somewhat "original" condition
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Mike you got most of that story right except the car wasn't a six pack car until well into the 1980's.
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Mike... Dave (69 SIX PACK ) has it right...the car was a 440-4v brand new as delivered in 1969 to Kingston Dodge, 12 miles up the road from me, and it left there a 440-4v.
The dealership owner Jerome Taylor, put an early order in for one and after the CNE the 414619 SE Daytona went to Kingston Dodge.
Taylor had a tough time getting interest in it since no one had seen one up to that time.
After over a month of trying to sell it, one Friday evening 4 young lads showed up wanting to buy the car.
Taylor in a effort to rid himself of it, took a check from one of the lads and the Daytona left, so technically Chesebrough was not the first to own it.
The following Monday, the check bounced and Taylor called the guy and stated "your check is no good" to which the lad replied "neither is your car, it's at the end of the Desoronto Dragstrip with a blown tranny".
The good ol boys had raced it at the local track all weekend.
So the car went back to Kingston Dodge, the trans was rebuilt and it was moved to the back of the lot.
Chesebrough saw it one day and claimed he initially bought it because it was odd looking, but he came to like driving it.
He asked me in the 80's about putting a sixpack on it.
I tried to persuade him not to, but he persisted and a 6 pak set-up was provided.
Billy Day, a local Mopar genius and the only guy who ever had a real chance to buy the car but screwed up, installed it and I supplied an NOS air cleaner.
I told the good doctor to make sure and keep the original intake/carb set-up...
As for "somewhat original condition", I heard the car had a paint job about the same time and a small nose repair of sorts.
I believe the car was for sale several months ago in Hemmings for $225,000.00
I have never seen the car in person. Terry McCann first told me about the car in the late 1980's and I have been following it ever since. I really enjoyed the dragstrip story.
I know of a few different fellows that have tried to buy it over the years without much success.
I do have quite a few pics of it. Very cool car with some nice history. I am not sure at all why the good Doctor is trying to embellish the story on the car, It really doesn't need it. (Except to become more sale-able :smilielol:)
It will be an interesting auction to watch on ebay, I don't think it will come close to the $200k that they think it is worth but I have been wrong before! I wonder if it will have a reserve :shruggy:
Dave
If they think that they will be getting $200K for it in that shape, I highly doubt it. That is unless there is someone out there with way too much money, and no interest in these cars (IE actual knowledge).
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 26, 2008, 10:00:48 AM
11. One of the creative employees decided to build his own wingcar by stealing one part at a time.
Unfortunately he was fired the following day before he could get the wing washers because he accidentally mixed up all of the seats out of the cars.
I got her one piece at a time, and it didnt cost me a dime. Youll know its me when I come through your town.
-The Immortal Mnan In Black.
Great paperwork nascarxx29. Am I understanding correctly that the wing washers (#23) were welded on after the paint (#12)?
That Daytona with the Six Pack on it is coming up for aucxtion again. This time we will have it at RM for our Toronto auction in a week and a half. The story the office is caliming is that it was dealer installed when new but I thought it was installed later?
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,48921.0.html
Quote from: Ghoste on October 15, 2008, 03:40:29 AM
That Daytona with the Six Pack on it is coming up for aucxtion again. This time we will have it at RM for our Toronto auction in a week and a half. The story the office is caliming is that it was dealer installed when new but I thought it was installed later?
According to a newbie on 'Style that was hawking the on-line auction, the car sold for US$118,500. Ghoste, do you know if that sale actually went through, or was it repurchased by the seller and they're giving it another go through RM?
:scratchchin: :popcrn:
The car was bought by a collector up here. I am surprised to hear that he is listing it at the RM auction. I will have to do some digging.
The car did sell for $112,500. Plus 17% buyers fee, plus 13% tax. That adds up to a hair under $150k.
Dave
Here's the quote from the DSAC/Moparstyle forum:
QuoteAnyway, the car sold at auction this morning for 112K Canadian plus a 17.5% buyers fee (as the bid came in on-line) for a total of $131,600CDN or aprox $118,500US.
I haven't taken the time to do the math or convert everything from Canadian to US Dollars, but the 'Style thread's sale price was initially given in $Canadian, markup added and then (supposedly) converted to US$. I dunno... :shruggy:
seem like a very good price to me , even in a bad economy
Doesn't seem out of wack to any other prices lately, then again it is a far cry from what they were asking before isn't it? ;)
I haven't seen the car. I am assuming it was the same one because I was told that it was a "dealer installed" Six Pack Daytona (I'm not talking about the legitimacy of that statement I am merely relaying what was reported to me). How many Six Pack Daytonas could there be running around up here? It is also possible that they had a slot reserved in the auction in case it didn't sell in this current one. I'll be at the shop this Friday so I'll find out more then.
The guy who consigned the car is already in England for the RM auction coming up there so I wasn't able to get any more info on this car. No one in the office had physically seen it, it was nothing but another lot number to them. I'm afraid I'll have to wait until next week before I can find out any more.
So how much inspection of the car do you think that you'll be able to do? And will we be able to see any more pictures of it :)
boy I'm pushy aren't I .
I'll have complete access to it, tell me what pics you want specifically and I'll get them.
Hmmmm, that could be a quite lengthy list.
I'd take any and all pictures you'd be willing to take for me. You know me, I'm nosey on cars, and well I take a lot of pictures of cars I look at.
Hi All,
I bought the "Doc-Tona". It is in my garage and staying here. I don't know what RM is selling at the dog show but it is not my car.
Quick facts.
I found a buildsheet :icon_smile_big: It is not for my 'Tona though :'(
Funny thing is the sheet I found was for a May 15 Scheduled date. Here are some of the numbers on it:
XX29L9B381555
R4
D21
A33
DATE: 515 SO #927124
SEQ # 098606
Anyone know if this car still lives?
Funny that the the SPD is 3 weeks before mine.
Here are some other dates and findings I pulled off the car:
The shift knob (auto) is the earlier chrome one (So was the Dressler Daytona), while my other Daytona (2 #'s off of Dresslers on both the VIN and order #) has the wood knob.
The wheels are all dated 2 12 69 -ALL 5 Wheels - Who changes all 5 wheels?
The glass, washer bottle, wiper motor, hood catch and a bunch of other stuff are all early dates.
You have all seen the pictures of the finished, semi-finished and not started yet Daytona's /Chargers lined up in the parking lot. The car jockey's are not going to move all the later built Charger R/T's out of the way to get the ones stacked up in the front of the line thinking Oh, I better get the one with the lower VIN.
The early VIN's mentioned before have way later ship dates. This is documented. Yes they were the first Charger R/T's destined to Creative but not the first cars converted and shipped.
What does this all mean?
I think (just my opinion based on the trends I have observed) that while not completely backwards (early Dodge built Charger R/T to later shipped 'Tona) that there were bunches of later VIN'd cars that were among the first conversions due to the "stack-up" of waiting in the lot Chargers.
And.... Maybe, just maybe the Canadian cars were built earlier (as Chargers) and VIN'd with the assigned 414 numbers as Planning had already laid out. I don't know how else to explain all the early components on the car. I have the Window Sticker on my other 'Tona and it shows an SPD of 427 but a ship date (on the sticker - not sure where it is on the list) of 8-30. It is 356532 or as I call it - The "Disco-Tona" (Wild 1970 paint job - We discussed this a year or 2 ago).
I do have 2 typed in by the dealer Warranty cards - The pages are stuck together and I have to find a way to steam them apart. Until I can open the pages fully I am guessing one is for the kid that bought it with a bum check and the other is the good doctor.
The original Intake, Carb, Air Cleaner and Valve covers came with the car. The valve covers still have the original markings on them and the carb still has the original plastic limiting caps on it. The Six-Pack has later carbs so the dealer installed story is BS.
The only wing brace is the plate under the quarter panel. NO vertical braces were ever installed. No holes in the original trunk mat or in the trunk pan. None. Never.
I asked Roger Gibson about this and he wants me to try and slide an original set of braces in to see if they fit. Creative may have had trouble with this car or they rushed it out to do the Toronto Auto Show or they just screwed up and forgot.
If the car is the first one shipped I don't think of it in a monetary aspect - Only the "That's Kinda Cool" aspect.
P.S. The sheet metal on this car is tub-thumping solid...The paint job is slightly worse than Creative's :^)
I have been cleaning the car up for the last week and will post some pics (if you like) in a week or two. I am going to rebuild the original carb and put it and the intake back on. The exhaust manifolds still have all their brackets and shields still on.
The distributor is still the original and so are the spark plug wires! Sorry to a previous poster but I love the "Joe Mannix" simulated mag wheel covers.
I used to own another Canadian SE #665 Sold it to a friend in Ontario - He restored it and still owns it.
Cheers,
Jim
P.S. - My Toronto sold '69 Hemi-GTX has the same sticker/part# on the Heater Box - Both cars have rear window defoggers - A destined for Canada heater assembly?? Gonna check my Canadian parts book
Great update, thanks! I like the Doctona and Discotona nicknames too btw. As for whether or not we'd want pics of it, you're kidding right?
Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on September 26, 2008, 12:27:11 PM
Last pic is to show the wiring is missing for the trunk light? Think Creative might have lost it during conversion? Factory mistake? Owner mod?
Who's ever seen a heater box like that? I haven't :shruggy:
Trunk Light wiring is there - Just disconnected. Maybe they unhooked it during the auction while the deck lid stayed open for a few days to save the battery? I'll plug it together and see if it works ok.
Original spare wheel is mounted on the left rear of the car. I figure it was the spare because it is in the nicest shape of all 5 and has R4 overspray on it - So does the filler tube - common on original cars.
Both original jacks and handles came with the car as well.
Would definitely love the chance to see some more pictures of the car. Heck depending on where you are in the country I'd love to come check the car out. I'm always up for a trip to see an Aero car.
congrats Jim on this daytona purchase .Do you still have the custom daytona
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,49243.0.html
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 24, 2008, 03:28:43 PM
congrats Jim on this daytona purchase .Do you still have the custom daytona
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,49243.0.html
Sure do - Going to do the body drop in a few weeks - Paint was wet sanded and buffed and it looks like the '70's again!
Quote from: 69_500 on October 24, 2008, 02:52:38 PM
Would definitely love the chance to see some more pictures of the car. Heck depending on where you are in the country I'd love to come check the car out. I'm always up for a trip to see an Aero car.
Hey 69_500
If you are ever up Toronto way I would be happy to show you the cars.
I am taking a boat load of pics as I clean and will post them during the next few weeks.
How come every time a 'Tona gets bought from an auction it's always me that is the purchaser??? Hmmmm, Terry McCann alerted me to both cars....It's his fault!
Here are the partially cleaned original valve covers that came off the car. 5 of course denotes automatic. Depending on year I have seen 5, 25 or 125 for auto trans.
:2thumbs: i dig those 70's paint jobs . :cheers:
Ah don't tempt me to make a trip to toronto. I'd definitely do it for a chance to look at that car. Lets see how long of a drive is that? Looks like about 580 miles or an 9 hour drive. That would be a good weekend trip.
Gotta tell you - I am finding some weird-azz stuff on this car - particularly in the nose area - nothing at all like my other car. I'll take some pics and post. Also appears the underside of the deck lid is original paint and I can't find a trace of the jacking labels ever being on. Plugged the trunk light back together and it works like a champ - I guess they unplugged it while the car was on display at the auction house. Car also has factory rear speaker and defogger.
As far as the wrong, earlier build sheet being in my rear seat. Chrysler or Creative's doing? Hmmmm
Well if you do drive up to Toronto Danny, let me know and we'll have to see if we can create a short layover for another look around that 500 near here.
As for the RM connection to the car, it was the same car but the story got crossed up with another one. The car in Kingston that you purchased was the one that I was thinking of but it wasn't getting consigned to the auction, somebody from the office staff had went to Kingston to look at the car thinking he would buy it and then flip it at the Toronto auction. Obviously he didn't. The part where it got relayed to me about a Six Pack Daytona getting consigned came when an A12 car was consgined to the weekend (a very nice car btw) and since both tales wer coming from the same person up front, the guy who reported it to me somehow morphed it into one car.
There was a Superbird clone there though. I don't think it sold but not much did.
Hmmmm, a 500 that is near you? I think I know which one that is. HEMI 4 speed :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Here is one I used to own - Is it this one or the one out of Windsor?
Jim
Neither, but you're close on the location.
Quote from: Ghoste on October 28, 2008, 07:51:34 PM
Neither, but you're close on the location.
Hey Ghoste,
Don't worry about me - I am out of room......and $ too!! :icon_smile_blackeye:
I don't think this one is for sale (not likely anyway), it seems to be the centerpiece of his collection. I'm secretive only because he seems to be extremely private although as Danny will attest, when he does show the car he is more than accomodating as far as allowing photos and trying to answer questions. Just trying to respect his wishes for privacy is all.
10-4 on that. I was just wondering if my old car is around. Last I heard it was getting restored. Wonder how it turned out?
Quote from: maxwellwedge on October 28, 2008, 08:16:51 PM
10-4 on that. I was just wondering if my old car is around. Last I heard it was getting restored. Wonder how it turned out?
Check out this thread.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,40377.0.html
Thank You.
Well it does look better than this.
that car is so amazing now , cool to see before pictures
do you still own the daytona ?
Nah - Stupid me sold the Hemi 500 4-speed and the Daytona 440 4-speed for what I had in them at the time. 42k total. :shruggy:
The Daytona was white. It is now Hemi powered and the gut was changed from black to red and the wing is red as well. I think the wing was originally red on this car anyway but it was painted over black when I got it. The car was being restored in Quebec.
Cheers
Jim
Im pretty sure that white daytona is this car
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/qubecdaytona3.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/qubecdaytona2.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/qubecdaytona1.jpg)
Yep - That's it. I sold them that Hemi engine as well. I think the fellows name (that bought the 2 cars from me) was Sylvain. Good guy. That car looks sharp.
thats the color i want to paint my daytona white with a red tail . :cheers:
That was one of the reasons I bought the car - Cool color combo....The stick didn't hurt either!
Here is the tag from it.
Is this that same green Hemi 500
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,22294.0.html
yes same HEMI 500 Dave.
And I think you'd recognize the other HEMI 500 that was mentioned if you saw it. Lets just say it is a very very well known car. Great color combination if you ask me.
Stupid side question, but those fender tag posts you made Jim, is that some kind of template you are using to make them up?
Hi Ghoste,
It is just a little excel file I did years ago. After I input, I window around the area, hit copy and then paste it into a photo program. That's as smart as I get on a computer. I can send it to you if you want to play with it.
Jim
Check this out. On Doc the lads at Creative mounted the antenna and bezel assembly on before body color. That's the original light grey primer on the fender underneath the bezel. They must have masked the bezel. Anyone else find this on their car?
Jim,
How does DiscoTona's fender look? That might be one of those things which evolved as the conversion project went along, but there's no doubt how that car's fenders were painted. I'll also try to remember and ask Vance what he's seen on the cars he's examined.
:scratchchin:
Quote from: hemigeno on February 23, 2009, 08:20:38 PM
Jim,
How does DiscoTona's fender look? That might be one of those things which evolved as the conversion project went along, but there's no doubt how that car's fenders were painted. I'll also try to remember and ask Vance what he's seen on the cars he's examined.
:scratchchin:
Ah Disco....I could check but the antenna hole was "disco'd -out". They didn't think they needed an antenna during the customizing and filled the hole. Not good for radio reception! :icon_smile_big:
Check out the writing on the inside of the drivers door......wondering if it was something to do with power windows, SE, a combo of both or neither?
Did you find the headlight engravings.what about the area showing no wing braces.Is there a wing washer and bolted brackets or holes on the trunk floor for the supports
Quote from: nascarxx29 on February 23, 2009, 09:13:56 PM
Did you find the headlight engravings.what about the area showing no wing braces.Is there a wing washer and bolted brackets or holes on the trunk floor for the supports
Hi Dave,
No engravings found. Here are 2 pics on your other 2 questions......pics slowly sneaking out... :icon_smile_big:
interesting thanks for the picts
Did you find these on yours.I didnt have the goldline assembly line filter but had this one .I also found paint on my plug wires H269 in Yellow lettering
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/daytonabelts.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/DCP_0023.jpg)
I did not have original belts or oil filter on this car but it did have original wires with paint on them which is common on Hemi's but weird on a 440. I sent them to Frank B. so he can do his "CSI" thing with them. ;D I have a few NOS gold filters....I wonder if they are ok to use on a driven car. The guts may be a little weak after 40 years. Both my 'Tona's had the original (style) air filters and both still have their original vapor sep's. I have a few cars that still have their original belts, exhaust, tires etc.
I did find some more reference picts engine paint on plug wires red paint on ends of wheel studs etc
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/100_2493.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/100_2494.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/100_2495.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/100_2496.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/100_2497.jpg)
That's how I love seeing them! :2thumbs:
I strive to find these type survivor correct cars and lots aof paperwork :2thumbs: :2thumbs:And to photograph for reference