Don't shoot the messanger, I know many people use the Total Auto grille silver. Problem is , ( my opinion ) it's just to light and reflective compared to the original grille color. I personally like the color, but I see it in books and shows, and it just stands out to light. I think what Dodge was doing was going a little on the flat grey side so the anodized trim around the grille stood out better. I have been trying to get a color as close as I can, by shooting different examples. I would like to share what I've come up with so far. Keep in mind as I read in one other thread, it's very possible they used similar colors, because sometimes it seems some are lighter or darker than others, but all seem to be a Grey low gloss/flat shine.
OK, the cans are shown in the first picture. R=Rust-O-leum, K=Kilze brand, TA= total Auto, G= Eastwood Detail Grey, C= Eastwood sliver Cad,and I used "O" to point out original paint. The last can I bought on my way home was at Walmart and cost 3.64 I believe. It is called " Satin Nickel" and In my first hand opinion, the best match so far. The Total Auto silver is not only to light, but has a reflective shine to it. The Eastwood Grey is to dark, and also has a metallic shine to it. The rust-O-leum is not even close, sort of a flat light grey look. The silver Cad is very close, but has that silver reflective shine like the grille silver. If you have any ideas, I'll give it a shot. But for now, my vote is the KILZ casual colors Satin Nickel, at Walmart. I tried my best to take good pictures, hope this helps. And for all those Total Auto silver grilles, they look great but If you find the color a little light and was wondering about other ideas, I hope this helps. The subject line is written in a way that maybe in the future if someone is looking for ideas, this will pop up and offer some ideas. Rob. :icon_smile_big:
Here is mine.
Does the colour look like it is correct? :shruggy:
Quote from: Shakey on January 11, 2008, 07:28:26 PM
Here is mine.
Does the colour look like it is correct? :shruggy:
Hey, I'm no expert by far. It's so hard to tell in pictures. If you grab the Original dodge Charger brochure you can clearly see it's a medium grey color. I just can't tell on your car, but It looks great (mint and spotless) keep in mind, general public speaking, who can tell? This isn't the best picure, but it's obviously not bright silver. The one below is typical light silver. Then another charger ad from 69. Nuff said.
A while ago, I did some test sprays with Eastwood Argent Silver Wheel paint. I compared the spray out to an original grill and thought it looked pretty good. I'm not saying it was 100% but it was pretty close compared with the original grill I had. You might want to give it a try.
Quote from: RT/SE on January 11, 2008, 09:03:31 PM
A while ago, I did some test sprays with Eastwood Argent Silver Wheel paint. I compared the spray out to an original grill and thought it looked pretty good. I'm not saying it was 100% but it was pretty close compared with the original grill I had. You might want to give it a try.
I think I have that, and I think it is just like the grille silver, but I'll try the two of them side by side on another object tomorrow.
You may find this thread interesting:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,22445.0.html
The pictures of the grill in the thread show the color you are striving for very plainly. And it's not silver. As stated, it's more of a grayish color. In any case, the color in the thread is EXACTLY like my 69. My car has never been restored (yet) and was kept in the garage most of it's life. So I know that this color is accurate to at least one 69 charger built late in the model year. I tried to have some mixed but nobody has that kind of paint anymore (see thread). All they have here is the newer urethane paints. I decided to just wait until I get the grill out and take it down and have them image it with their computer and let them mix it at that time.
I understand that you are trying to find a spray can with the right color. What is "right" may depend on when the car was manufactured. I wonder if there were changes to this color over time from the factory. You might get luck and find something that is close enough. But better yet, maybe somebody that has a grill out that has this "correct" color could take it down and get somebody to match the paint, hopefully, at a paint place that is national in scope. Then they could post the formula and you could just go down to the local outlet for that brand and buy a can mixed to this color. They charge $20 here to scan a sample and mix one spray can. Kind of high but if you don't need much, it's a bargain.
Quote from: Chatt69chgr on January 11, 2008, 11:29:23 PM
You may find this thread interesting:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,22445.0.html
The pictures of the grill in the thread show the color you are striving for very plainly. And it's not silver. As stated, it's more of a grayish color. In any case, the color in the thread is EXACTLY like my 69. My car has never been restored (yet) and was kept in the garage most of it's life. So I know that this color is accurate to at least one 69 charger built late in the model year. I tried to have some mixed but nobody has that kind of paint anymore (see thread). All they have here is the newer urethane paints. I decided to just wait until I get the grill out and take it down and have them image it with their computer and let them mix it at that time.
I understand that you are trying to find a spray can with the right color. What is "right" may depend on when the car was manufactured. I wonder if there were changes to this color over time from the factory. You might get luck and find something that is close enough. But better yet, maybe somebody that has a grill out that has this "correct" color could take it down and get somebody to match the paint, hopefully, at a paint place that is national in scope. Then they could post the formula and you could just go down to the local outlet for that brand and buy a can mixed to this color. They charge $20 here to scan a sample and mix one spray can. Kind of high but if you don't need much, it's a bargain.
I've seen that thread and Love the way the grille came out . Paul (69 our tea) made a lot of trips to the paint store trying to get the paint for me, but they no longer have the flatting agent so the formula is of no use anymore. My Satan Nickle looks just like it. I have to shoot a larger area. 69500 told me my grey area is original and it looks it, yet it looks different than Paul's. So either there are different shades of grey, or 40 years change's color? Thanks for your input.
I also agree that I think there was two different shades used. I purchased a second grille as a spare and the original silver on that seems to be darker than the one on my car now prior to me restoring and repainting the grille. I also prefer the dark silver as I think it makes the trim stand out better. Hopefully that Satin Nickel that you found at Wally-mart will hold up.
I'll see if I can dig up some photo's of the other grilles that I sold in the last couple of weeks/months. But between the 14 grilles, I'd say that there was probably 3 different shades of gray on all of them. I'm going through everything I have right now to see if I have anywhere that shows the actual paint code that was used on the parts. So far no luck, all I've found is the paint codes for tail panels, dash panels, and such, but nothing for the grille as of yet.
Try Krylon dull aluminum in a spray can
I redid a 1971 Demon grille a few years back and it matched pretty good , IMO
Bill
Quote from: 69_500 on January 12, 2008, 03:12:34 PM
I'll see if I can dig up some photo's of the other grilles that I sold in the last couple of weeks/months. But between the 14 grilles, I'd say that there was probably 3 different shades of gray on all of them. I'm going through everything I have right now to see if I have anywhere that shows the actual paint code that was used on the parts. So far no luck, all I've found is the paint codes for tail panels, dash panels, and such, but nothing for the grille as of yet.
Wow, 3 different shades, well that settles that. If you can post any of the shades that would be great.
The only thing is that I don't know if they were the same color to start with or not. Some of the grilles had been out in the sunlight for years, other had been in storage for years. 1 had always been in a crate. I don't know if I saved the photo's on the computer or just uploaded them and then trashed them. Wasn't something I was really concerened about, was more or less just wanting to clean out attic space and sell them.
Quote from: gtx6970 on January 12, 2008, 03:16:25 PM
Try Krylon dull aluminum in a spray can
I redid a 1971 Demon grille a few years back and it matched pretty good , IMO
Bill
Thanks bill, I had heard about using a aluminum type color, but couldn't find it on any of the past threads. Thanks, I'll try that. :2thumbs:
Krylon 1403 dull aluminum works real good. Covers very fast and durable. Bill
Here is a prime example of how much weathering plays into the look of the grille paint. Here is a late 1968 headlight door that sat in a garage for 20 years before I got ahold of it. Keep in mind the argent originally went down the fins on this thing.
Quote from: JimShine on January 13, 2008, 12:00:29 AM
Here is a prime example of how much weathering plays into the look of the grille paint. Here is a late 1968 headlight door that sat in a garage for 20 years before I got ahold of it. Keep in mind the argent originally went down the fins on this thing.
True, but many of the grilles we are comparing do not have that wear? Plus you can see in the original pictures it's a flat dull grey,not silver. Can be seen clearly in the original pictures posted, the green car picture, in the corner of the nose shows the color best. Having a 69 I never really thought about 68, I would think 68 was more silver color from what was used in 69.
Here is the last stock grille I messed with. A real 1969, this one saw very little exposure to the elements. When I dismantled it to clean down and repaint the frame, the areas of silver protected from exposure were still lighter than the exposed areas. The wear from wind, and/or deterioration still managed to thin the paint on this grille, making it look darker.
The 68 was silver. The picture sucked because it was taken inside. It was not gray. Which opens up a whole other can of worms. Trying to match paint off pictures when picture color reproduction is unreliable and usually in the case of atleast 2 of the pictures you show above, the colors are manipulated for color balance and effect, not for accuracy.
I have can in front of me that a friend had mixed. He did his 69 with it and also my 68. It looks more grey than silver.
The label only says "SEM Color Argent, Must be topcoated with1301 5-9-5. The store that mixed it is now out of business.
It looks good to me do I am happy with it and Ok if it is not a NOS match. I have seen Argent as the response to similiar thread questions on this
board.
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This is my first shot at using the forum, so bear with me.
I read the grill paint comments with interest and will try the LILZ Satin Nickel available from Walmart. My question is what black paint should/could be used for the grill? I did not see this addressed in the comentary. I'm restoring a 68 Charger which I bought in the first half of Sept 67. I bought it two weeks before they were introduced in the show rooms.
Quote from: Larry Cramer on January 17, 2008, 11:33:29 AM
This is my first shot at using the forum, so bear with me.
I read the grill paint comments with interest and will try the LILZ Satin Nickel available from Walmart. My question is what black paint should/could be used for the grill? I did not see this addressed in the comentary. I'm restoring a 68 Charger which I bought in the first half of Sept 67. I bought it two weeks before they were introduced in the show rooms.
Satin black works really well on the grille.
Got any pics you can share with us of you're Charger?
I have used Krylon 1613 semi flat black paint with good results. I was also told that the SEM Trim Black is a dead on also.
Quote from: resq302 on January 17, 2008, 11:37:33 AM
I have used Krylon 1613 semi flat black paint with good results. I was also told that the SEM Trim Black is a dead on also.
QuoteSEM Trim Black
That's what I used on mine.
Quote from: Larry Cramer on January 17, 2008, 11:33:29 AM
This is my first shot at using the forum, so bear with me.
I read the grill paint comments with interest and will try the KILZ Satin Nickel available from Walmart. My question is what black paint should/could be used for the grill? I did not see this addressed in the commentary. I'm restoring a 68 Charger which I bought in the first half of Sept 67. I bought it two weeks before they were introduced in the show rooms.
I've heard Eastwoods SEM trim black is the way to go. Don't be spraying the Satan Nickle until you test it first. I only shot a small space. I'm gonna try the "Krylon dull aluminum" first as I've heard before it was a close call.
Thanks for the grill paint suggestions. I have attached a pic of my Charger which someone asked for. The pic is what I started with 18 monhts ago. As of early this week all body repair has been done, the shell has been primered and we may be applying exterior paints this weekend.
And here is another question: I am intending on painting the inside of the trunk area the same color as the body. Is this correct?
Quote from: Larry Cramer on January 18, 2008, 01:40:36 PM
Thanks for the grill paint suggestions. I have attached a pic of my Charger which someone asked for. The pic is what I started with 18 monhts ago. As of early this week all body repair has been done, the shell has been primered and we may be applying exterior paints this weekend.
And here is another question: I am intending on painting the inside of the trunk area the same color as the body. Is this correct?
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updates?????? :shruggy:
:paintingpink: :popcrn:
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on January 21, 2008, 03:24:09 PM
updates?????? :shruggy:
:paintingpink: :popcrn:
I have not forgotten, I have been sanding my grilles in free time. I'm gonna be looking for the dull Krylon paint and will post pictures when I'm done. This will take some time as I have many other things going on with detailing the engine compartment etc.... I'll get back, I promise. Be cool. :coolgleamA:
ok....guess i'll have to wait, or just try myself since i'm playing the grill game too. :brickwall: :RantExplode: :eek2: :cheers:
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on January 21, 2008, 06:48:12 PM
ok....guess i'll have to wait, or just try myself since i'm playing the grill game too. :brickwall: :RantExplode: :eek2: :cheers:
Not that long. Sure, bring something to the table here? Spray away. I'm just trying not to go the light silver grille look. Just test spray, and past the info along.
my grille is currently all black (69 charger r/t) done by the PO. Actually to be honest i like it, but all my buddies are giving me a bad rap about painting it black again, so i was looking into the silver, but i don't feel like experimenting with paint's i'm not familiar with and trying to match a silver which i only have a thin stripe of on the headlight door which is really faded and almost not there. I don't have an original silver part to go by so i'd just be guessing. I guess it will be all black then!!!! :smilielol: :D :shruggy: :cheers:
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on January 21, 2008, 07:02:03 PM
my grille is currently all black (69 charger r/t) done by the PO. Actually to be honest i like it, but all my buddies are giving me a bad rap about painting it black again, so i was looking into the silver, but i don't feel like experimenting with paint's I'm not familiar with and trying to match a silver which i only have a thin stripe of on the headlight door which is really faded and almost not there. I don't have an original silver part to go by so I'd just be guessing. I guess it will be all black then!!!! :smilielol: :D :shruggy: :cheers:
No no, please don't do the Darth Vader look. I was sanding it today and will be working on it tomorrow. Hang in there I'll be doing it soon. You can see in my other posted pictures where Grille silver was used, and then some Dodge promo pictures where it's a dull grey color.
that's exactly how my car looks, 69 charger r/t, v2 orange, but i got a vinyl top. awesome looking car you got there....hey wait a minute, i got one just like it. :nana: :D :cheers:
There are some auto paint stores that can mix single stage & put it in aerosol cans for you, allowing you to choose the color mix. :Twocents:
Quote from: Mopar2Ya on January 22, 2008, 07:35:26 PM
There are some auto paint stores that can mix single stage & put it in aerosol cans for you, allowing you to choose the color mix. :Twocents:
Well, were trying to get the correct color, or what we think is closest to correct.
QuoteNo no, please don't do the Darth Vader look. I was sanding it today and will be working on it tomorrow. Hang in there I'll be doing it soon. You can see in my other posted pictures where Grille silver was used, and then some Dodge promo pictures where it's a dull grey color.
actually at first i really didn't like the darth vader look, but the more i looked at it i actually like it. The more and more people tell me not to do it makes me want to do it!!!!!!! :nana: :D
but a buddy convinced me to go with the stock silver, but the way i see it, getting the color/shine is going to be hard to do it right, and i'm sick of having my car apart while i could be :vert: :brickwall: :scratchchin: :eek2:
Step back for a moment & look at the overall design of the grille --
It looks to me like the Charger's designers probably envisioned all the grille's silver areas in chrome. As if the grey/silver paint was really just a concession to the fact that they had begun molding the grilles in plastic. The anodized edges are bright in just the right spots to make the grille look more like it's all chromed, and the silver paint is mixed just right to draw attention away from the fact that it's not chromed away from the front edges.
Here's my idealized Charger grille -- Have a grille that's actually chromed (in the silver areas), and then the chrome was sprayed with a mildly dark clear tinting layer to make it one notch darker than the chrome on the bumper & anodized trim.
i agree mike, but if you look at an all black grill theres just something about it, especially when you stand back and look at it, it just screams MEAN :coolgleamA: I really like the black out look of the whole grille, the allum trim is still there, but something looks really good about it....i don't know what it is but with the whole thing black, at night, it looks like it's not even there. I'm torn on the fence about which way to go, i'm 50/50 right now, but the fact that i can't find a good silver makes me lean more towards the black..... :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :shruggy: :D
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on January 23, 2008, 10:26:39 AM
i agree mike, but if you look at an all black grill theres just something about it, especially when you stand back and look at it, it just screams MEAN :coolgleamA: I really like the black out look of the whole grille, the allum trim is still there, but something looks really good about it....i don't know what it is but with the whole thing black, at night, it looks like it's not even there. I'm torn on the fence about which way to go, i'm 50/50 right now, but the fact that i can't find a good silver makes me lean more towards the black..... :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :shruggy: :D
When youre not too far away it looks mean , but if youre meeting it on the road it looks like the grille is missing. :Twocents:
You guys make me hesitate :shruggy: :shruggy:
I always took this one as an example cuz i like it big time and since my 69 will be black too I always tought it would be great.
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2836/8277751733hghz7.jpg)
And my grill pieces are prepped with base coat right now so I need to decide soon......
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4465/afbeelding048nk3.jpg)
:icon_smile_blackeye: I just ont see why its a thrill to make a Charge look like its grille is missing? :brickwall: Ma Mopar made them look so cool with the silver paint! most of the time when i see them all black, I think to myself huh that guy took the easy way out! ::) To each his own though :Twocents:
I think an all-black plastic grille would look a lot better if the factory anodized trim around the edges was a bit wider. And particulary the center "I" piece's vertical bar.
Quote from: 1hot68 on January 23, 2008, 02:59:47 PM
most of the time when i see them all black, I think to myself huh that guy took the easy way out!
Don't tempt me. I'll paint it silver just to prove you that thats not what I do.... :icon_smile_big:
But i never looked at it that way (the grill being missing from a distance) so maybe you are right in the end.
I LOVE things the way they were done out of the factory. If the grilles were all black then I'd go black. They did a fantastic job on the entire car. The grille came painted dull grey so the trim stood out, then thats the way it shall be. So be it. :patriot:
You will see on this link a great glue kit for a broken grille. I used this stuff today and it did a perfect job of fixing my split and broken pieces. Great product to repair your grille. I tried other products and they just didn't work. I repaired the grille today and next week i will start the priming and painting. ( I hope ). This link is from my, http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,37655.0.html thread.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=blended&field-keywords=plastifix&results-process=default&dispatch=search/ref=pd_sl_aw_tops-1_blended_14142907_2&results-process=default
Just a tip , back in the day everything was Lacquer , not enamel , enamel does not even come close to the correct look . Go to Pep-boys or whoever and find Dupli-color in spray can , find the silver met you , most likely find code from older Chevy truck and it will be Lacquer . I have been using this stuff for years , it just looks and feels right to the touch
Larry
Quote from: daytonalo on January 25, 2008, 09:48:38 PM
Just a tip , back in the day everything was Lacquer , not enamel , enamel does not even come close to the correct look . Go to Pep-boys or whoever and find Dupli-color in spray can , find the silver met you , most likely find code from older Chevy truck and it will be Lacquer . I have been using this stuff for years , it just looks and feels right to the touch
Larry
Cool, great idea. I thought Mopar or ford did enamel back in the day?
Nope , the cars were painted with Lacquer
I'm not a paint expert by any means, but I don't think that they painted the cars from the factory with lacquer paint jobs. I'll do some searching in the books.
Quote from: 69_500 on January 26, 2008, 09:07:45 AM
I'm not a paint expert by any means, but I don't think that they painted the cars from the factory with lacquer paint jobs. I'll do some searching in the books.
I cant say 100% sure on the trim and detail stuff like that but, the exterior paint was enamal on Crysler products quite a while before Chargers came about!!
I remember as a kid that , I know for 100% sure Gm cars were lacquer as I bought a 69 Camaro pace car that had brand new Imron paint on it and I had the whole car sandblasted and done in Lacquer as I knew they were from the factory. I remember thinking that ford or Mopar, I thought Mopar cars were enamel. Good point on what was used by vender's? That's a whole different story. I'm going to look for the Krylon dull aluminum I heard good news about.
My recollection is that Ford and Chrysler products were painted with Acrylic Enamel. GM products were painted with lacquer. The GM had a better finish----less orange peel. And you could rub out and polish the lacquer. Not so the acrylic enamel. Dupont Imron was used on helicopters and other industrial applications. It has lead in it so was pretty much banned later except for industrial use. But it gives a beautiful finish. I know a guy locally that restores old industrial engines and he uses it. He has done work for the Smithsonian. I sure wouldn't have wanted to be around when that car painted with Imron when it was sandblasted. Even trace amounts of lead can cause learning difficulties in children. I bet that shop still has lead dust in nooks and crannies of the bldg.
Quote from: Chatt69chgr on January 26, 2008, 11:50:16 AM
My recollection is that Ford and Chrysler products were painted with Acrylic Enamel. GM products were painted with lacquer. The GM had a better finish----less orange peel. And you could rub out and polish the lacquer. Not so the acrylic enamel. Dupont Imron was used on helicopters and other industrial applications. It has lead in it so was pretty much banned later except for industrial use. But it gives a beautiful finish. I know a guy locally that restores old industrial engines and he uses it. He has done work for the Smithsonian. I sure wouldn't have wanted to be around when that car painted with Imron when it was sandblasted. Even trace amounts of lead can cause learning difficulties in children. I bet that shop still has lead dust in nooks and crannies of the bldg.
Gee, would of never thought of that? I was real anal back then, today I would leave it Imron. So that's why they stopped using it?
I think it is still around , but no where near as good as it used to be . It was very high in Isocyanate's!! I used to spray this shit without a mask when I was a dumb kid !!.
Larry
I'm gonna be playing the grille paint game pretty soon too. Just need to figure out how to get the grille apart and take the trim off
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on January 26, 2008, 04:40:20 PM
I'm gonna be playing the grille paint game pretty soon too. Just need to figure out how to get the grille apart and take the trim off
Very easy, just undo what is done.
I tryed unbolting the trim (from the back) but it wouldnt come off.....oh well, I guess I'll try again when I get home
I know a bunch of guys who did restorations back in the early 80's (if you want to call most of those a restoration) used lacquer paint, and it is totally different than an origional paint job. I'm still trying to look up exactly what paints were used on these cars and their trim parts, but if and when I do find it I'll post it.
You know (69 0ur tea) Paul had told me the Eastwood detail grey looked exact. Here's an update of working on my engine compartment, notice the detail grey on the steering shaft. I think he may be right and I'm going to shoot the right bucket tomorrow and see how it looks. I did a small piece and showed it in the first thread listing and thought it was to dark, but maybe not? I'll post a picture of it, when it's done.
Did anyone notice there is no line between the movable headlamp door and the connecting grille center? Looks like Dodge did some fancy air brush work in their promotional pictures.
yes there is, it's just too dark, i lightened it up a bit. :D
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on January 27, 2008, 08:02:21 PM
yes there is, it's just too dark, i lightened it up a bit. :D
We must be looking at different gaps because it's still not there? I'm talking about the silver line that wraps around the door.
Here's another interesting grille restoration link. http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,22276.0/all.html#bot
One more. http://www.69hemi.com/outsidetrim.html
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on January 27, 2008, 08:44:02 PM
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on January 27, 2008, 08:02:21 PM
yes there is, it's just too dark, i lightened it up a bit. :D
We must be looking at different gaps because it's still not there? I'm talking about the silver line that wraps around the door.
i see it, maybe your :apimp: something? :rofl: :smilielol: :shruggy:
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on January 28, 2008, 09:54:38 AM
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Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on January 27, 2008, 08:02:21 PM
yes there is, it's just too dark, i lightened it up a bit. :D
We must be looking at different gaps because it's still not there? I'm talking about the silver line that wraps around the door.
i see it, maybe your :apimp: something? :rofl: :smilielol: :shruggy:
I'm sure with the help of a good eye doctor you will be fine. :icon_smile_wink:
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yes there is, it's just too dark, i lightened it up a bit. :D
We must be looking at different gaps because it's still not there? I'm talking about the silver line that wraps around the door.
i see it, maybe your :apimp: something? :rofl: :smilielol: :shruggy:
I'm sure with the help of a good eye doctor you will be fine. :icon_smile_wink:
the gaps are there, i see them, it must be the crappy pic, but it looks exactly like my grille. :eek2: :nana: :shruggy: :D
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Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on January 27, 2008, 08:02:21 PM
yes there is, it's just too dark, i lightened it up a bit. :D
We must be looking at different gaps because it's still not there? I'm talking about the silver line that wraps around the door.
i see it, maybe your :apimp: something? :rofl: :smilielol: :shruggy:
I'm sure with the help of a good eye doctor you will be fine. :icon_smile_wink:
the gaps are there, i see them, it must be the crappy pic, but it looks exactly like my grille. :eek2: :nana: :shruggy: :D
I know it's a standard grille for 69, that is a promotional picture. I give up, I say they air brushed the gap closed to give a smooth continuous line, and you see the gap. :shruggy: Alrighty then. :eek2:
QuoteI know it's a standard grille for 69, that is a promotional picture. I give up, I say they air brushed the gap closed to give a smooth continuous line, and you see the the gap. :shruggy: Alrighty then. :eek2:
ohhhhh, you mean the gap in the silver "pin-stripe" on the door??? I see what you mean, i see in the pic though the door itself, and where it ends, but maybe they touched up the pic to make the silver line solid, or the pic is very poor quality. Also, a brand new grille that's tight and fits perfect, may have less gap than a 40yr old grille???? :eek2: :brickwall: :scratchchin: :RantExplode:
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on January 28, 2008, 08:50:35 PM
QuoteI know it's a standard grille for 69, that is a promotional picture. I give up, I say they air brushed the gap closed to give a smooth continuous line, and you see the the gap. :shruggy: Alrighty then. :eek2:
ohhhhh, you mean the gap in the silver "pin-stripe" on the door??? I see what you mean, i see in the pic though the door itself, and where it ends, but maybe they touched up the pic to make the silver line solid, or the pic is very poor quality. Also, a brand new grille that's tight and fits perfect, may have less gap than a 40yr old grille???? :eek2: :brickwall: :scratchchin: :RantExplode:
My God, now I can sleep. Thank you. :thumbup:
QuoteMy God, now I can sleep. Thank you. :thumbup:
wait a minute, i see the gap again.... :eek2: :smilielol:
now you'll be up all night......my plan worked exactly as planned.....MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :poke: :horse:
You guys are silly! :slap:
I was wondering how/why this thread got to be three pages long.... :rotz:
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on January 29, 2008, 12:27:26 PM
I was wondering how/why this thread got to be three pages long.... :rotz:
Don't blame me, I just asked a simple question. :shruggy:
Ah but simple questions can rarely be answered with a simple answer. More often then not they require long drawn out explinations of even the simplest of ideas. Due to the lack of understanding of the one who is asking the question, and the relentless attempts at explaning it from the answerer of the question.
Okay enough babbling from me now.
Quote from: 69_500 on January 29, 2008, 05:32:05 PM
Ah but simple questions can rarely be answered with a simple answer. More often then not they require long drawn out explanations of even the simplest of ideas. Due to the lack of understanding of the one who is asking the question, and the relentless attempts at explaining it from the answerer of the question.
Okay enough babbling from me now.
What? Imagine if all these pages actually had something to do with the original thread? Man that would of been awesome. Oh well. :icon_smile_big:
QuoteWhat? Imagine if all these pages actually had something to do with the original thread? Man that would of been awesome. Oh well. :icon_smile_big:
less yappy more :paintingpink:
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on January 29, 2008, 06:24:34 PM
QuoteWhat? Imagine if all these pages actually had something to do with the original thread? Man that would of been awesome. Oh well. :icon_smile_big:
less yappy more :paintingpink:
Here's the deal. I have a life ( and wife and 3 kids ), and work. I have that grille top on my list, but I have been side tracked again because it was suggested I get plastic primer. So after work I have to locate that. Then I'm going to spray one end bucket with the Eastwood detail grey and I will post it. So be paitent you all ( It's winter anyway ) and soon I will post a picture of the end bucket. :yesnod:
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on January 29, 2008, 06:29:09 PM
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on January 29, 2008, 06:24:34 PM
QuoteWhat? Imagine if all these pages actually had something to do with the original thread? Man that would of been awesome. Oh well. :icon_smile_big:
less yappy more :paintingpink:
Here's the deal. I have a life ( and wife and 3 kids ), and work. I have that grille top on my list, but I have been side tracked again because it was suggested I get plastic primer. So after work I have to locate that. Then I'm going to spray one end bucket with the Eastwood detail grey and I will post it. So be paitent you all ( It's winter anyway ) and soon I will post a picture of the end bucket. :yesnod:
Well Rob,
Quit playing with evevators all the time and get on it.....you need to get youre priorities in line!! :D
I did my own "custom blend" of Rustoleum Smoke Grey and Aluminum, doing a couple trial mixes until I was happy with the look.....used my modelers airbrush.I think it was 3 parts smoke to 1 part aluminum. :2thumbs:
Being in the grille painting process right now........ I did'nt went for a all black grill afterall and i must say in the end the factory look still will be the best.
I also could'nt stand the feeling of people thinking that the grill fell out when they see it from far....
About the silver..... I just grabbed to cans of silver from wich I tought they would come close and tried them out. The argent metallic silver appeared to be the winner (for me tough)
(http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6841/grilllinksyz0.jpg)
Will post anothet pic when put back together
So should I primer my grille before painting it?
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on January 30, 2008, 09:00:44 PM
So should I primer my grille before painting it?
You should learn to read first.
I'm gonna assume thats a yes
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on January 30, 2008, 10:07:10 PM
I'm gonna assume thats a yes
You do model making, so use plastic primer so it bites into the plastic better.
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on January 30, 2008, 10:07:10 PM
I'm gonna assume thats a yes
I wouldn't do that if I were you.
Read this thread (skip over the foolishness) and the many others about grille restorations and come to your own conclusion.
This is similar to the stolen Dart thread, you posted a warning about a stolen car that was already found. Slow down pal and take the time to absorb all that this site has to offer. :yesnod:
I strongly reccomend the use of a plastics primer for better adhesion! :Twocents:
The stuff I would reccoment is Sikkens Primer PO. It sprays clear, so if you do happen to get a chip you dont see some othe color like grey or red oxide etc.
O.K we finally have pictures! I did the grille in the Eastwood detail grey. I really think it looks great and is a nice cross between the grille silver I feel is to bright and a black grille. It should highlight the trim just fine. I'll post more as I build the grille complete. From what I've seen in pictures, this is real close if not exact. Ignore the water droplets. :icon_smile_big:
Very nice work. :2thumbs:
Looks great! I just need to figure out how to fix the broken off corner piece on my grille and then the painting will begin. And yea, paint on plastic works better for sure if its primered. I've learned that the hard way on models.
On my other thread about grille repair this link was suggested.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=blended&field-keywords=plastifix&results-process=default&dispatch=search/ref=pd_sl_aw_tops-1_blended_14142907_2&results-process=default
This stuff did a fantastic job of repairing the plastic. I had a 2 bolt hole tab broken off at the bottom and really didn't think anything could hold it back on. This Plastic fix stuff worked great and was easy to work with. It starts off as a liquid where you can dribble it in a crack. Then within in 30 seconds or so it gets pasty so you can spread it, and then it is hard as a rock. It's the only reason my grille is done. I repaired about 4 items perfectly and strong.
Girlle turned out really good!
since my grill is all black, i'm wondering if anyone has pics of where the silver starts and the black begins, espically on the grill section. :shruggy: just wondering where to tape off... :brickwall: :scratchchin: :cheers:
Oh man you're gonna hate me. I'm reshooting the grilles again but in the walmart Kilz Satan Nickel that looked best from the Beginning. The detail grey is Oh so close , but a hair on the bronze color side. I found another bucket that I believe has never been resprayed and has that dull silver look. I shot the Satin Nickel over it and it just about disappeared. I hate to do it but blame NJSTEVE, I asked him what he thought and he said he liked the Nickel better, and that is the color that matched best. So get ready for another set of pictures of the grilles done in Satin Nickel Sorry, but I want to get it right. My camera sucks but the original bucket is on the right, the detail grey in the center and the Satin Nickel on the left.
Ok so Im gonna be buying paint very soon. Can somebody please tell me..out of all the paints....what paint should I use? You guys said the KILZ brand paint was the closest so I'll try to find that but which black is the closest?
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 04, 2008, 12:28:46 AM
OK so I'm gonna be buying paint very soon. Can somebody please tell me..out of all the paints....what paint should I use? You guys said the KILZ brand paint was the closest so I'll try to find that but which black is the closest?
Bottom line is lots of people use the "grille silver" I find it to light. If you agree it's to light then you need to go more grey. I painted all 3 pieces the Walmart Kilz Satin Nickel and it looks fantastic. I'll post pictures when I come home tonight. Problem was, It started out great. I did 2 coats and was laying down the last and 3rd coat when it started laying down the silver/nickel color,BUT would also splat some darker tiny dots of a slightly darker color, little dots of this darker silver. I tried everything to not let it happen. The next day I went to Walmart a bought 3 more cans, all 3 did the same thing but not as bad, I had to get a wet coat, then start spraying away from the grille and sweep by kinda fast. I still have the problem but if you saw the grille and I didn't point it out you wouldn't see it. Overall, it looks as close as original that I've ever seen. I went and got all the original pictures I had of 69 Chargers to make sure I was on the right path, and most looked just like the untouched bucket I have ( and your grille ). I will post pictures of the original grille and the Nickel grille tonight. If you can't find that color at Walmart, try calling the company for a place near you, or I here the Krylon dull aluminum was close. I know the kilz is very close , see pics at beginning of thread. make sure you sand it down, then use plastic primer or a satn flat black plastic paint. That stuff bites into the plastic great, then your paint.
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on February 02, 2008, 12:29:10 PM
since my grill is all black, i'm wondering if anyone has pics of where the silver starts and the black begins, espically on the grill section. :shruggy: just wondering where to tape off... :brickwall: :scratchchin: :cheers:
Look though this thread, many great shots .
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,22445.0.html
Went to Walmart today...they didnt have the KILZ stuff OR the Kyrlon Semi Flat Black. Gonna check 2 more places
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 04, 2008, 03:01:07 PM
Went to Walmart today...they didnt have the KILZ stuff OR the Kyrlon Semi Flat Black. Gonna check 2 more places
I would call around first. The barcode for the Kilz Satin Nickel is 0 51652 62747 3 And the SEM trim Black can be bought at any paint shop or all over on the net It's # 39143
Well here are some pictures of the grille. I feel the satin Nickle is as close as I need to get. Notice the original bucket in the rear. I still have to strip and paint the doors and adjust the C end trim.
I took my covers to a friends house and shot them with glass bead at about 40 to 60lbs pressure and was shocked what a great job it did without harming the plastic. I saved about 10 hours sanding time for sure.
UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE.... I'm not so sure no harm was done. They feel real ruff and I got a bad feeling they are micro pitted all over. I'll know when I prime and paint them. Update coming.
Thanks for the research and pictures. But I 've been wondering about this ....(you did say your wife was cool about the Charger) - - but how does she feel about having Charger parts around her kitchen and living room? :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: TUFCAT on February 04, 2008, 09:39:57 PM
Thanks for the research and pictures. But I 've been wondering about this ....(you did say your wife was cool about the Charger) - - but how does she feel about having Charger parts around her kitchen and living room? :icon_smile_wink:
Well, the grille is now out in the garage on top of the roof of the Charger. She knows how hard I've been working on it (and been stressed), and how important it is to me so she's been patient. I just put them on the floor to take a picture. Though they were on top of her shelves and she did ask me today why things were moved over to the side? I said that was where the grille pieces were but I'm all done, you can move everthing back, Thanks. :angel: What she doesn't like is all the money I've put into it. :rotz:
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on February 04, 2008, 05:51:55 PM
Well here are some pictures of the grille. I feel the satan Nickle is as close as I need to get. Notice the original bucket in the rear. I still have to strip and paint the doors and adjust the C end trim.
I dunno - looks a bit off to me. Looks good but....... :shruggy:
I think it's looking Great :2thumbs:
I think it looks great, you will never be able to compare the 2 side by side once its on so even if it was more off it would be very hard to tell.
:cheers: i think it looks awesome. With this thread I have dicided to follow the Kilz path with mine and will be starting pretty soon........Thanks :icon_smile_cool:
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on February 04, 2008, 05:48:56 PM
I would call around first. The barcode for the Kilz Satan Nickel is 0 51652 62747 3 And the SEM trim Black can be bought at any paint shop or all over on the net It's # 39143
Rob, the detail grey is definitely too dark....the nickel color is lighter in the right direction. I used the grill silver on mine. I think it look fine the way it is now.
PS----if you are a Christian can you still use the Kilz paint? :scratchchin:
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on February 05, 2008, 03:13:13 PM
PS----if you are a Christian can you still use the Kilz paint? :scratchchin:
Just like anything.......as long as you bless it before hand, its okay :angel:
Quote from: TUFCAT on February 05, 2008, 04:17:48 PM
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on February 05, 2008, 03:13:13 PM
PS----if you are a Christian can you still use the Kilz paint? :scratchchin:
Just like anything.......as long as you bless it before hand, its okay :angel:
Isn't that the Jews? :shruggy:
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on February 05, 2008, 03:13:13 PM
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on February 04, 2008, 05:48:56 PM
I would call around first. The barcode for the Kilz Satan Nickel is 0 51652 62747 3 And the SEM trim Black can be bought at any paint shop or all over on the net It's # 39143
Rob, the detail grey is definitely too dark....the nickel color is lighter in the right direction. I used the grill silver on mine. I think it look fine the way it is now.
PS----if you are a Christian can you still use the Kilz paint? :scratchchin:
Let's not drag religion into this, wi'll be 10 pages long.
O.k, well my thought about grille "silver" for the grey colored grille has been expressed before. I think it looks just like all the grey colored pictures and the bucket I have. I think one thing may be that all the pictures are in my house with a flash and fluorescent lighting. If you saw it outside (and you will ) you would be very impressed. Not to light or dark. For those that like the color and find it almost exact. Me too! :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on February 05, 2008, 07:14:41 PM
Let's not drag religion into this, wi'll be 10 pages long.
Oops....my mistake. LET'S CARRY ON like he said! :P
Quote from: TUFCAT on February 05, 2008, 08:04:52 PM
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on February 05, 2008, 07:14:41 PM
Let's not drag religion into this, wi'll be 10 pages long.
Oops....my mistake. LET'S CARRY ON like he said! :P
Yeah, this thread is running so smoothly and each post is packed with usefull information. :eek2:
Well, after reading this thread, I started to restore my grill. I actually sandblasted the pieces. Someone had done a really poor repaint with black. With a H.F. sandblaster and 40 psi, I was able to get off the the remaining paint that didn't peel off in the dish washer and derust the metal brackets. The silver paint underneath it was perserved, and after buying the kilz paint and comparing, the original grill is much lighter. They definately had several different paints it seems. I'm gonna go with the kilz, as I like the darker color. Great thread, thanks for the motivation. I'll try and post some pics.
Quote from: yeahitsgotahemi! on February 06, 2008, 11:06:34 PM
Well, after reading this thread, I started to restore my grill. I actually sandblasted the pieces. Someone had done a really poor repaint with black. With a H.F. sandblaster and 40 psi, I was able to get off the the remaining paint that didn't peel off in the dish washer and derust the metal brackets. The silver paint underneath it was perserved, and after buying the kilz paint and comparing, the original grill is much lighter. They definitely had several different paints it seems. I'm gonna go with the kilz, as I like the darker color. Great thread, thanks for the motivation. I'll try and post some pics.
Thanks for the compliment. I really think it is very close, I have no regrets. I threw it in fast tonight, I'll update later.
Picture below is when it was :sick: blacked out, and the radiator support was still orange.
Went to 2 other stores today and they dont have the KILZ...or the SEM Trim Black..or the Krylon Semi Gloss Black (all they had was pure gloss black). So no luck yet. ALTHOUGH, I am going to Vancouver in about a week so I'll check there (WAY bigger Walmart)
WOW! :o I think that grille color looks great. Looks like you've "cracked the code" on this one! Lot of guys should buy you a beer :cheers: - - or a hot dog! :boogie: heee hee hee :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 06, 2008, 11:52:32 PM
Went to 2 other stores today and they dont have the KILZ...or the SEM Trim Black..or the Krylon Semi Gloss Black (all they had was pure gloss black). So no luck yet. ALTHOUGH, I am going to Vancouver in about a week so I'll check there (WAY bigger Walmart)
Cody I don't think you will find the SEM trim black at a store. You need to go on the net or paint shop. Save time and gas by calling around.
Quote from: TUFCAT on February 06, 2008, 11:53:18 PM
WOW! :o I think that grille color looks great. Looks like you've "cracked the code" on this one! Lot of guys should buy you a beer :cheers: - - or a hot dog! :boogie: heee hee hee :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Thanks so much, that's how I feel but I keep getting "it's a little darker" If you compare to page 1, way way back :icon_smile_wink: you will see it's actually ligter than some of the grilles in the pictures. Plus were trying to compare to 40 year old paint. I would say color wise it's right on. But it could use a hair more of the flat look, a little less shine, but that's probably the just painted look. :shruggy:
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on February 07, 2008, 06:14:49 AM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 06, 2008, 11:52:32 PM
Went to 2 other stores today and they dont have the KILZ...or the SEM Trim Black..or the Krylon Semi Gloss Black (all they had was pure gloss black). So no luck yet. ALTHOUGH, I am going to Vancouver in about a week so I'll check there (WAY bigger Walmart)
Cody I don't think you will find the SEM trim black at a store. You need to go on the net or paint shop. Save time and gas by calling around.
Dont worry about the gas thing...I go at lunch time so I walk everywhere :icon_smile_big:
that looks awesome :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: awesome job, what paint did you end up using? got a pic of the paint can? where you get it?
:cheers:
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on February 07, 2008, 03:28:57 PM
that looks awesome :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: awesome job, what paint did you end up using? got a pic of the paint can? where you get it?
:cheers:
Gee, thanks. I'm looking forward to the time I can get it outside and take a natural light picture.
The barcode for the Kilz Satin Nickel ( Walmart ) is 0 51652 62747 3 And the SEM trim Black can be bought at any paint shop or all over on the net It's # 39143
Go to the first page and there is a picture of it along with others I tried.
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on February 07, 2008, 05:09:50 PM
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on February 07, 2008, 03:28:57 PM
that looks awesome :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: awesome job, what paint did you end up using? got a pic of the paint can? where you get it?
:cheers:
Gee, thanks. I'm looking forward to the time I can get it outside and take a natural light picture.
The barcode for the Kilz Satan Nickel ( Walmart ) is 0 51652 62747 3 And the SEM trim Black can be bought at any paint shop or all over on the net It's # 39143
Go to the first page and there is a picture of it along with others I tried.
not available in Canada :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :eek2: i give up, i think i'll just paint it all black... :RantExplode: :rotz:
Whats not available in Canada?
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on February 07, 2008, 05:09:50 PM
Gee, thanks. I'm looking forward to the time I can get it outside and take a natural light picture.
The barcode for the Kilz Satan Nickel
Boy that nickel is really devilish looking :scratchchin: ;)
PS----I HOPE that last pic is of the old grill installed....if not your going to hate what I have to say next.... :rotz:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2008, 05:57:42 PM
Whats not available in Canada?
Kilz Satan Nickel :brickwall: :brickwall:
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on February 07, 2008, 06:22:44 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2008, 05:57:42 PM
Whats not available in Canada?
Kilz Satan Nickel :brickwall: :brickwall:
Another worshiper :rotz:
:naughty:
PS---I'm sorry for taking this O/T but its too funny! :2thumbs:
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on February 07, 2008, 06:29:59 PM
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on February 07, 2008, 06:22:44 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2008, 05:57:42 PM
Whats not available in Canada?
Kilz Satan Nickel :brickwall: :brickwall:
Another worshiper :rotz:
:naughty:
PS---I'm sorry for taking this O/T but its too funny! :2thumbs:
Boy you really enjoyed that didn't you? :slap: Thanks for the tip I spelled Satin as Satan. I went back and changed the word all 200 times I typed it wrong. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on February 07, 2008, 06:50:54 PM
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on February 07, 2008, 06:29:59 PM
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on February 07, 2008, 06:22:44 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2008, 05:57:42 PM
Whats not available in Canada?
Kilz Satan Nickel :brickwall: :brickwall:
Another worshiper :rotz:
:naughty:
PS---I'm sorry for taking this O/T but its too funny! :2thumbs:
Boy you really enjoyed that didn't you? :slap: Thanks for the tip I spelled Satin as Satan. I went back and changed the word all 200 times I typed it wrong. :icon_smile_big:
haha, i copied and pasted it from your post 69chargerrtse!!!!! :brickwall: :D
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on February 07, 2008, 06:22:44 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2008, 05:57:42 PM
Whats not available in Canada?
Kilz Satan Nickel :brickwall: :brickwall:
Are you frickin' kidding me?!?!?!?! Damnit! :RantExplode:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2008, 08:33:05 PM
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on February 07, 2008, 06:22:44 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2008, 05:57:42 PM
Whats not available in Canada?
Kilz Satan Nickel :brickwall: :brickwall:
Are you frickin' kidding me?!?!?!?! GOD DAMNIT! :RantExplode:
i called them, it's distributed exclusively (the expressions line) by walmart in the US ONLY. That's great, someone finally finds a good match, and now i can't get it. Frick it, black it is..... :brickwall: :RantExplode: :shruggy: :eek2:
ROB...SEND ME SOME KILZ! :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2008, 08:57:38 PM
ROB...SEND ME SOME KILZ! :icon_smile_big:
would you like satan or satin? :scratchchin: :popcrn:
Satin :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2008, 09:01:04 PM
Satin :icon_smile_big:
sorry i'm all out of that....hey rob, mark me down for some too. :yesnod: :angel:
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on February 07, 2008, 09:02:39 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2008, 09:01:04 PM
Satin :icon_smile_big:
sorry i'm all out of that....hey rob, mark me down for some too. :yesnod: :angel:
Pay for shipping and I'll send it out. Remember, it's a tuff one to spray. I was getting these darker dots here and there. Finally I passed by light and fast and it seemed to be the best way. Cans are about 4 bucks each. I would get 2 cans , plus shipping. if you want me to, PM me and will talk (write ).
So whats the closest thing next to the KILZ? What would be the second best bet?
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2008, 09:43:12 PM
So whats the closest thing next to the KILZ? What would be the second best bet?
I heard several times Krylon dull aluminum was close.
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on February 07, 2008, 08:56:58 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2008, 08:33:05 PM
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on February 07, 2008, 06:22:44 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2008, 05:57:42 PM
Whats not available in Canada?
Kilz Satan Nickel :brickwall: :brickwall:
Are you frickin' kidding me?!?!?!?! GOD DAMNIT! :RantExplode:
i called them, it's distributed exclusively (the expressions line) by walmart in the US ONLY. That's great, someone finally finds a good match, and now i can't get it. Frick it, black it is..... :brickwall: :RantExplode: :shruggy: :eek2:
You will regret it. Look how nice it looks in your little picture. You saw my picture of it in black. It just looks like a cheap way out of taking the time to do it correctly. For about 15.00 or so you can have it delivered to your door. For a grille worth about 2,000.00 plus restored, it's a cheap investment. :yesnod: I'll do anything to stop that destruction. :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on February 07, 2008, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2008, 09:43:12 PM
So whats the closest thing next to the KILZ? What would be the second best bet?
I heard several times Krylon dull aluminum was close.
Ill try to find that stuff. :cheers:
Quote
i called them, it's distributed exclusively (the expressions line) by walmart in the US ONLY. That's great, someone finally finds a good match, and now i can't get it. Frick it, black it is..... :brickwall: :RantExplode: :shruggy: :eek2:
You will regret it. Look how nice it looks in your little picture. You saw my picture of it in black. It just looks like a cheap way out of taking the time to do it correctly. For about 15.00 or so you can have it delivered to your door. For a grille worth about 2,000.00 plus restored, it's a cheap investment. :yesnod: I'll do anything to stop that destruction. :icon_smile_wink:
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haha, i really appreciate it but i doubt you'll even be able to mail the paint, since the guy told me on the phone it contains elements that Canada will not accept, that is why it's not sold in Canada.
I did buy some silver, made by rustoleum, it's called "silver metallic" linky: http://www.rustoleum.com/product.asp?frm_product_id=592&SBL=5
It is metallic, but very little, and it dries semi gloss. I tried a small test spray, and it does look very close to the only surviving part on my grill that's silver, and thats on the top of the headlight door pin stripe part, which is not much to compare too. But looking on the first page of this thread, the orange car with the "lighter" grill is exactly what this paint looks like.....thoughts? :scratchchin: :shruggy: pic attached.
well i think i'm at the point it will either be this silver or black. I just can't find the paint, and i'm not crazy about using auto paint that's tinted due to the fact that it probably won't work well on the plastic grille, and it will easily chip off, not to mention the fact that i don't want to experiment with a new paint on a grille where a mistake can create hours of work to fix. I know this paint, it's really easy to apply, and it's tough.
Funny that you mention the shades, 2 days ago i was at a friends house, who i sold my old charger too, and he also has another 69. I looked at the grilles on both, which still were sporting their original factory paint. Both cars are much lighter than the pics of your grille, almost a true silver. that's what made me buy this paint. I've been to all the hardware stores and checked out all the silvers out there, this is the only one i could find, and the test spray matches my grille surviving part like i said on the top of the headlight door where the sun didn't fade it. Now is it possible that some 69 chargers had a lighter silver than a darker one?? maybe there is no "correct" color to aim for? ON the first page of this thread, the green car is exactly the color of the paint i have. If it's so sinfull to paint it black, what are your thoughts on the lighter silver?
Here is the best pic i could find of my old charger, the grill was original and faded on the bottom, but it gives you an idea of the color on my 69 and what i'm talking about.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/69martin/DSC03389.jpg)
2 more pics i found, you can see it's more of a lighter silver, but faded on the bottom. More i think about it the lighter silver wouldn't look bad at all. And that grille is 100% original.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/69martin/DSC03432.jpg)
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/69martin/DSC03431-1.jpg)
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on February 07, 2008, 05:58:41 PM
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on February 07, 2008, 05:09:50 PM
Gee, thanks. I'm looking forward to the time I can get it outside and take a natural light picture.
The barcode for the Kilz Satan Nickel
Boy that nickel is really devilish looking :scratchchin: ;)
PS----I HOPE that last pic is of the old grill installed....if not your going to hate what I have to say next.... :rotz:
Pssst:
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on February 06, 2008, 11:12:41 PM
Thanks for the compliment. I really think it is very close, I have no regrets. I threw it in fast tonight, I'll update later.
Picture below is when it was :sick: blacked out, and the radiator support was still orange.
;)
Troy
QuoteI still see that as a light grey, not silver but whatever. I expressed my thoughts on the silver you wish to use below your pictures in the other thread. It would be much better than black, plus do exactly what you want to do, even if it's black. Just love the car and enjoy the hobby. :2thumbs:
Seeing the car in person, and i actually brought the cap of the can of spray paint, it's very similar, not grey, but more silver. Maybe the pic doesn't give the right perspective, but it is for sure not a darker nickel color, at least on those 2 grills i saw with original paint. The reason it looks grey in the pic, is because the part you see is faded, but when i looked up where the sun really didn't take it's toll on the paint, it was more of a silver/grey.
One thing that really gets to me is i forgot to look exactly where the silver is applied, as in where to tape off the silver from the black. I know the headlight door pin stripe, but on the grill where exactly is it taped off? also you have any advice on the order of painting? I was thinking doing the whole grille black first, then doing the silver...... :scratchchin: :shruggy:
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on February 08, 2008, 11:12:38 AM
2 more pics i found, you can see it's more of a lighter silver, but faded on the bottom. More i think about it the lighter silver wouldn't look bad at all. And that grille is 100% original.
Are you 100% sure that grille is 100% original? I say that because some of those dings and dents in the trim look as though they would have cause some damage to the grille. :scratchchin:
Also, with regards to the colour and using this grille as a reference, don't you think the colours would have faded after 40 years? :shruggy:
You guys can beat this to death until the cows come home and in the end, and this coming from a guy that is all for doing things the right way, I don't think anyone will care or notice if the shade of grey in your grille is off by 1 degree.
Quote from: Shakey on February 08, 2008, 03:26:50 PM
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on February 08, 2008, 11:12:38 AM
2 more pics i found, you can see it's more of a lighter silver, but faded on the bottom. More i think about it the lighter silver wouldn't look bad at all. And that grille is 100% original.
Are you 100% sure that grille is 100% original? I say that because some of those dings and dents in the trim look as though they would have cause some damage to the grille. :scratchchin:
Also, with regards to the colour and using this grille as a reference, don't you think the colours would have faded after 40 years? :shruggy:
You guys can beat this to death until the cows come home and in the end, and this coming from a guy that is all for doing things the right way, I don't think anyone will care or notice if the shade of grey in your grille is off by 1 degree.
Yes i am 1000% sure it's original, it's never been apart, when i painted the car i took apart the grille and all the bolt broke off, as they have never been removed, everything was original. And i did mention in my last post that the grill is faded, but on the top, where the sun didn't fade the grille, you could see the original color. besides the 2 69 chargers i saw a few days ago (one being my old charger) both had the exact same color grilles. The trim on the grille could almost be dented with your finger nails, and there was no damage to the grill on my old car.
I totally agree that the shade isn't important, as long as it's done nice, that's why i was going with the silver that actually looks exactly as your car in the sig pic. i just want to get it done so i can drive the car.
My last question was about where the silver is taped off from? as i forgot to look, and have no reference to go by. :slap:
Quote from: Troy on February 08, 2008, 11:29:37 AM
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on February 07, 2008, 05:58:41 PM
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on February 07, 2008, 05:09:50 PM
Gee, thanks. I'm looking forward to the time I can get it outside and take a natural light picture.
The barcode for the Kilz Satan Nickel
Boy that nickel is really devilish looking :scratchchin: ;)
PS----I HOPE that last pic is of the old grill installed....if not your going to hate what I have to say next.... :rotz:
Pssst:
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on February 06, 2008, 11:12:41 PM
Thanks for the compliment. I really think it is very close, I have no regrets. I threw it in fast tonight, I'll update later.
Picture below is when it was :sick: blacked out, and the radiator support was still orange.
;)
Troy
Troy, did you think you were talking to Cody? :slap:
It was an inside joke....
:rotz:
O.K now , if we can get back to the worlds longest thread about spray cans here we go. I finished the head lamp doors. There was very tiny pitting from using the glass beads. I'm not sure if I would do it the same way again, but they came out very nice. I had to really lay down layer after layer of paint to fill in all the pit marks (could use more layers ). I'm sure doors not shot with sand blasting or glass beads would be smoother, I just couldn't get the paint off that was on there. Bottom line, good enough. As for painting. I shot them with flat black plastic paint (as a primer), best paint was the small cans at a hobby shop, lacquer not enamel. Then I masked off the black part (fins) of the grille and shot the Satin nickle. I made sure that dried well and then I put tape over the Nickle trim line with blue flexible ( pinstrip tape?) tape, and laid down my black SEM trim paint, peeled off the tape and TADA! ;D
P.S The SEM trim paint is Lacquer, so you don't want to use an enamel primer as the trim paint will wrinkle. ( Courtesy tip 104 from my friend Brian 1hot68 )
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on February 08, 2008, 10:31:23 AM
\haha, i really appreciate it but i doubt you'll even be able to mail the paint, since the guy told me on the phone it contains elements that Canada will not accept, that is why it's not sold in Canada.
Yea, I doubt you'll be able to mail it. My friend tried ordering a bullet belt from the US. The belt had fake bullets but because it looked like real bullets, they wouldnt ship it. :Twocents:
Well, here's a picture of the grille now back in the car. If I could do it all over again I would of paid closer attention to some detail areas. One thing would of been to spray the entire buckets black. I didn't realize you can see those areas after the grille is back in the car. Color wise, I'm very pleased.
O.K so I took (rolled ) the car outside for a little sun. I grabbed the original bucket and held it to the grille , and no regrets It looks great ! :icon_smile_big:
Here's mine. Pretty much all done. Just need to buy a new charger emblem since the original is missing. Could probably spend more time polishinh up the trim too. Thanks everybody!
Great job! Another beautiful original grille to hit the road soon! :2thumbs:
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on February 08, 2008, 11:07:38 AM
Here is the best pic i could find of my old charger, the grill was original and faded on the bottom, but it gives you an idea of the color on my 69 and what i'm talking about.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/69martin/DSC03389.jpg)
That is a great looking car. I loved the shaved marker lights. Not nitpicking at all here but was the lower portion of the passenger fender damaged or rusted? I ask this because Im having a similar problem with the same fender and am wondering on how to fix it. It doesnt have to be perfect cause it'll never a be a showcar. Im all about building fun drivers, rock on!!
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That is a great looking car. I loved the shaved marker lights. Not nitpicking at all here but was the lower portion of the passenger fender damaged or rusted? I ask this because Im having a similar problem with the same fender and am wondering on how to fix it. It doesnt have to be perfect cause it'll never a be a showcar. Im all about building fun drivers, rock on!!
those fenders were fiberglass.. :cheers: :2thumbs:
Quote from: 69chargeryeehaa on February 19, 2008, 11:11:36 AM
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That is a great looking car. I loved the shaved marker lights. Not nitpicking at all here but was the lower portion of the passenger fender damaged or rusted? I ask this because Im having a similar problem with the same fender and am wondering on how to fix it. It doesnt have to be perfect cause it'll never a be a showcar. Im all about building fun drivers, rock on!!
those fenders were fiberglass.. :cheers: :2thumbs:
Oh okay. I didnt know anybody made '68/9 charger fenders in fiberglass????
I used Steel Wheel paint that you can get at auto part stores Wal-Mart etc. I test sprayed a couple cans and found a perfect color match. Ray
Well I managed to get my grill painted.
As the discussion earlyer in this topic to go all black or two tone stock looking I changed my mind in the very last minute and I must say I'm really happy with the result.
Ok, the doors still need to come in and the trim still needs polishing but so far it's a start and I'm extra glad with it cuz it's the very first part of the Charger brought back to a new life...
(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1115/afbeelding067ai1.jpg)
I bought the last 3 cans Walmart had ,They are discountunion the Kilz line, But I used it and the color is almost right on, I even did my turn signals.Same grey-silver color. Im leaving these trims all brushed nickel(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r27/TOMMYMAC_photos/IMG_0423.jpg)(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r27/TOMMYMAC_photos/IMG_0428.jpg)
Hey Great job!! Keep up the good work. :2thumbs:
Hmmm..... :scratchchin: might be time to go out and stock up on it then.
For you guys that want to try the Kilz paint, you better do it now. The two local Wal Marts in my area are blowing the stuff out at $2 a can then it will be gone forever. It will probably end up being blown out at all their stores over the next few weeks.
Quote from: Shakey on January 11, 2008, 07:28:26 PM
Here is mine.
Does the colour look like it is correct? :shruggy:
Shakey, what paint is that? I cant find the Totally Auto or the Eastwood stuff anywhere. I know you are in Canada too...
Eastwood products I get from their dealer in ON. I used the Argent Wheel paint.
The SEM Trim Black I purchased from my local Car Quest.