i bought this 69 rt/se black with blue interior car in april, wanted this car for 20 years. i had a guy bugging me since i showed the car in van nuys to buy it. every phone call same answer...sorry not for sale. i finally gave him a not for sale price of 30k and the car is not worth no where near that, 20k is what i value it at. he drove up here to look at another car i was debating selling and he went straight to the black car. laid the money out and said i want this one...i sat there and thought about it and i declined it. i like the car...he said i will take it if you change ur mind soon. so now im debating...i could really use the money to finish other cars but then ide be giving up one of my coolest, rarest ones. what do you guys think?
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OK, so if I read that right....
You put a price on it.
The buyer agreed to your price & showed up with cash.
You refused.
What part do want an opinion on exactly?
Quote from: cbrestorations on July 18, 2017, 07:25:32 PM
what do you guys think?
Hmm, not sure. Do you have any less photos or details? :icon_smile_big:
So he offered you the $30K ? laid it right out there..... is that correct ?
The Car needs restoration right ?
Do you have the Numbers Matching Engine, Trans, etc., etc. ?
Mine is pretty much a sister to yours, and Black R/T SE's are indeed pretty rare to find ?
Just say'in..... very tough decision !
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on July 18, 2017, 07:40:12 PM
OK, so if I read that right....
You put a price on it.
The buyer agreed to your price & showed up with cash.
You refused.
What part do want an opinion on exactly?
just asking would you keep the rarity or take the cash?
Quote from: Challenger340 on July 18, 2017, 07:49:40 PM
So he offered you the $30K ? laid it right out there..... is that correct ?
The Car needs restoration right ?
Do you have the Numbers Matching Engine, Trans, etc., etc. ?
Mine is pretty much a sister to yours, and Black R/T SE's are indeed pretty rare to find ?
Just say'in..... very tough decision !
yes he laid out the cash, no engine or trans, needs trunk, valance, inner fender from some torching it for aftermarket clutch pedal and lower rear quarter patch. needs alot of work but overall pretty solid.
Black with blue interior? And R/T SE ? Its weird wherever yo see it!
Never thought black with blue was a posible combo. I guess black top.
Can't tell about the rest of project you can have around, but I think that's a keeper
Oh! No drivetrain! I thought it could be a matching numbers car.
He's not paying that price to let her sit either, I'm sure it will be restored to perfection.
I'd keep it IMO. If this one tugs at the heart strings and you've been chasing it for as long as you have, then once it's gone you will regret it...no matter how many other cars you build...
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Neat car, but for 30k.... load it on the trailer. Unless it some family heirloom, there's always another one.
I have been in your position before , in 2008 a friend wanted my AAR Cuda pretty strongly ,project similar to yours ( has its #'s matching engine ) , offered me basically half of what I considered it to be worth fully restored . I wanted the car , not the money so I refused . 2015 offered again and raised the offer $5k , still said no . Honestly at that offer , I would stand to make out better to sell right now , as is , vs. fully restoring it .
Still kept the car ! Have had it 15 years now . Money can be made , once the car is gone , it's gone . As other said , you have been stalking this car for 20 years !!!!
Agree with the above statement. You (CB) have a good feel for the market and if the guy wants to pay $10K over your perceived value, I would take the money and put it towards the other Chargers you're working on. if it was numbers matching car or if it was a running driving survivor then it would be cool to keep. Also, it will free up money for more Charger purchases!
Great car, if you sell it, with your talent you can build anything you want to replace it, but as far as a real black & blue R/T SE that would be a hard find for another one.
Looks like a $15k car to me. If someone offered me twice what it was worth I'd sell it. Just think what you could do with $30k on your other projects. :scratchchin: :shruggy: :Twocents: LEON.
Looks like a pretty even split on what the members here think.
Chew on this for a moment....
A man is more than money. A man is his word, his actions and his dreams. A man looks at a raw, unrefined object and sees the beauty behind the rust and grease. A man is eager to take on a challenge despite what his peers say. A man sets a goal, then exceeds it.
Are YOU that man?
How do you match a not for sale sign. Either they want to sell it or NOT.
Never give them a price. (unless you want to sell it).
Had a guy at work that always wanted my Charger. He was making 100k at work and probably 80k on the side. Playful banter back and forth for years. I think he asked me once what I thought it was worth, or what I thought I could get out of it. And I told him at the time, realistically what I thought it would bring. He moved on to another job, but I run into him every couple months or so. See him one day and he asks me to give him a stupid price.
And I thought about it.
But I didn't dare throw out what I was thinking. Cause I knew.......
But I sure thought about it.
Honest question: do you want a "restored" R/T SE? It doesn't really seem like your style. Because, for what it is, you won't be happy straying from stock - but you also won't be happy driving it stock.
I'd have helped him load it on the trailer. ;)
Troy
I'd have taken the $30k, bought a road ready Charger, some beer & taken it to the body shop to paint it the color I want. :D
If it's that important to you, quit fooling around with the others and just restore this one. Otherwise, you're just another one of these hoarders that'll restore it someday.
Its an incredibly rad car that has everything going for it (tag wise)
So there's that...also 30k is your strong "not fs" price, you already quoted him that, and he stepped up...
The ending question here is if you want to sell it or not, only you can truly answer that.
I can tell you that with your restoration skills, you have an open door to a lot of opportunity in life and time is short and how you spend it is very important...
That being said I would sell the car!
Tell him you very much would regret getting rid of it but for 35K he can own it.
Remember, it's not a 4sp!
Quote from: JB400 on July 18, 2017, 10:05:21 PM
If it's that important to you, quit fooling around with the others and just restore this one. Otherwise, you're just another one of these hoarders that'll restore it someday.
i am a hoarder lol...i just pull one out of the fleet at a time
Quote from: Troy on July 18, 2017, 09:29:02 PM
Honest question: do you want a "restored" R/T SE? It doesn't really seem like your style. Because, for what it is, you won't be happy straying from stock - but you also won't be happy driving it stock.
I'd have helped him load it on the trailer. ;)
Troy
I agree. You have plenty to keep you occupied.
You should sell it to him if he agrees to let you restore it. :D
take the money your a blood hound for these things you will find another
Take the money and run.
If I can find a 4 speed 69 r/t real quick, I'll let him have it
Quote from: cbrestorations on July 18, 2017, 11:35:53 PM
If I can find a 4 speed 69 r/t real quick, I'll let him have it
make one then....adding a 4 speed is not all you need to know is how to weld :icon_smile_big: other than that I think you have a good deal on your heads at 30k for a non matching body.....
as the joke has said on my end I couldn't even sell my shell for 5k ;D
Ive also heard a lot of stories about how someone offered a high price and they never get another offer like it. Follow your heart
all good advice from the other guys :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
difficult :scratchchin: 30k is 30k , but where are you going to find another black with blue 69 R/T SE , .....rare color combo & a rare charger ! , weather it has the original matching # engine or not . think your kick your self , in the long run selling this car , like what the others guys say , i'm sure with your charger detecting skills , if there are any other hidden second generations out there , your find them , but will they be a find of a life time like this black with blue R/T SE .... I doubt very much ..... unless ... there are still hidden unrestored 1968 1969 1970 , original Hemi cars , rare color & option combo R/T & R/T SE , original R/T 440 four speeds , V codes , XX29 aero charger 500 & daytonas , that could be had for the price you paid for the black with blue R/T SE ... in the same condition :yesnod: :Twocents: 30k is a lot of dough , for a car needing total restoration , then again look how much some of the over priced second generation perfumed pigs are ebay , that need stripping down & starting again etc :o
nother thing to consider , if the owner of the black blue R/T SE , said well CBR you been hounding me to buy this car for 20 years , ok i'll let you buy it , but don't sell it on , i'll only sell it to you if you restore it , & you say yea yea ok , I always wanted this car etc . its kind of going against your word , & in the crazy world of the internet , we all know you can do what you like with your own car etc , BUT might not go down well with some people ..... maybe im straying off track a little to your original question , final word doubt very much you will top that R/T SE un less you can find one of the other chargers i've mentioned above .
good luck , what ever you decide :cheers: :cheers: :2thumbs:
30k is a lot of dough :yesnod:
I wouldn't sell your dream!
You said it, it's the coolest and rarest Charger you have.
Keep it, bring it back to life and enjoy it for a while.
Hang on to that guys number and then put a 70k price tag on it.
TPR
I would sell it.
1. You gave him a price and he accepted it. ( I don't like to go back on my word, regardless) :Twocents:
2. I don't care about all the numbers matching, cool rare options. Yes black on blue is a cool option, but if it were my car I would change the color combo to something I liked better anyway. :eek2: :lol:
3. 30k bucks would go a long way on your other cars since you do all the labor yourself. :yesnod:
But at the end of the day, all that matters is which you would rather have: $30k or the car. :shruggy:
Out of the 15 chargers you don't have a 4 speed rt :popcrn: . Horder hmmmm. Lol
Sell it to him on the condition that you restore it for him. Win-win. It's like yer both in love w/ the same woman, and there ARE other options to dueling.
I hope you don't take offense to my opinion here but you gave him a price, he inspected the car and agreed to pay.
My :Twocents: worth is you should sell it regardless of all the other factors.
Its a cool car which makes it hard, but you have said the price is more than fair. I think the right thing to do is call the guy up and go through with the agreed deal if he is still interested.
:cheers:
why are people calling this RARE when in reality he even said no engine no transmission nothing is matching all he has is fender tag.....its not rare if its missing everything.
2 words...... Wedding reception. :slap: You have many cars but you only have 1 bride to be. Sell it and bank some money for your special day. :cheers: Spend the rest as you see fit. :Twocents:
I think to much time has passed. The guy probably had had time to think it over and ifnyou call him up he might change his mind.
Luke
Quote from: Troy on July 18, 2017, 09:29:02 PM
Honest question: do you want a "restored" R/T SE? It doesn't really seem like your style. Because, for what it is, you won't be happy straying from stock - but you also won't be happy driving it stock.
I'd have helped him load it on the trailer. ;)
Troy
That's a good point! If you are NOT to restore to original specs ( I dunno know you enough to confirm that or not ) let it go to someone who will make it! Custom cars can be build from any shell
Quote from: 1974dodgecharger on July 19, 2017, 07:00:00 AM
why are people calling this RARE when in reality he even said no engine no transmission nothing is matching all he has is fender tag.....its not rare if its missing everything.
Thats what got me dissapointing on the second replied I posted. Is not anymore THAT special, although would be interesting get it to original specs yet though
The question I have not seen the answer to yet
How did you buy the car in the first place from the guy that had it 20 years ????
Did he sell it to you just because you were there on the right day with too much money in your pocket ?
Or because you could tell him everyplace you saw it sitting in his yard and always watched for it when you drove by and you would take it home and restore it to its former beauty as you have other Charger projects and know what you are doing and SOMEDAY BRING IT BACK TO SHOW HIM ??
30K for a shell needing full restoration, with no drivetrain? If it was me, it would already be gone.
Quote from: Old Moparz on July 18, 2017, 09:53:18 PM
I'd have taken the $30k, bought a road ready Charger, some beer & taken it to the body shop to paint it the color I want. :D
Best response so far....
I bet your guts will turn seeing it leave on a trailer, but take the offer before he changes his mind. :Twocents:
I once restored a numbers matching 4 speed R/T. It was excellent and my son learned to drive a 4 speed with that car. We moved from farm to town and I advertised it for sale at a price less than what it was worth on eBay because I did not know what it was worth. It sold to a guy from France that day. In our discussions prior to him getting the car I found I was 15-20,000 less than market. It hurt then and it hurts now but I followed through with the sale at the quoted price because a man is only as good as his word in my opinion. Call him to come get the car.
Quote from: taxspeaker on July 19, 2017, 09:54:46 AM
I once restored a numbers matching 4 speed R/T. It was excellent and my son learned to drive a 4 speed with that car. We moved from farm to town and I advertised it for sale at a price less than what it was worth on eBay because I did not know what it was worth. It sold to a guy from France that day. In our discussions prior to him getting the car I found I was 15-20,000 less than market. It hurt then and it hurts now but I followed through with the sale at the quoted price because a man is only as good as his word in my opinion. Call him to come get the car.
Yikes. Didn't know things were gonna get real. Puts a different shine on the not-for-sale price, subconscious motivation, etc. We have a dedicated coin for such things, and I've trained myself to listen to my responses to that coin. Much cheaper than having my dreams tea-leafed by a Jungian analyst. But that's all b4 putting a not-for-sale price on it. Sorry CB, but methinks you're bein called out.
If you really like the R/T SE option Pkg and the Car.....
Question:
Can you find another one for the $30K ?
Quote from: Troy on July 18, 2017, 09:29:02 PM
Honest question: do you want a "restored" R/T SE? It doesn't really seem like your style. Because, for what it is, you won't be happy straying from stock - but you also won't be happy driving it stock.
I'd have helped him load it on the trailer. ;)
Troy
I'd tend to agree with this.
I'm seein a consensus (nuff to pass healthcare anyhoo) of a coupla three variations on, "wattya / mean / you / didn't"
I have loved your car since you first posted it. I thought about throwing an offer of $17 when you first bought it you thinking that was fair.
If it were my car. . . . for $30. . . . It would be a Ruth Chris night for the family. :2thumbs:
I was under the impression CB could care less for #'s matching or rare options or restored back to original. I though you like to customize them your own way how you want them. If so then buy some cheap green 318 Charger & put 440 4 spd in it, paint it black with blue interior & slap some R/T emblems on it. Now you got the same car for 1/2 the money into it. Or sell all your other 15 Chargers & give this one a full blown Concourse correct OEM 100 point showcar Restoration. Why just have 16 half done junkers sitting around? One or the other. :scratchchin: :shruggy: :Twocents:
Why have 16 half done junkers? Because they are cool to look at!
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on July 18, 2017, 07:55:21 PM
Black with blue interior? And R/T SE ? Its weird wherever yo see it!
Never thought black with blue was a posible combo. I guess black top.
Can't tell about the rest of project you can have around, but I think that's a keeper
It's a recommended combination. Actually, every color was recommended with black exterior.
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/colorAndTrim/1969/69_Charger0003.jpg
Do what your heart tells you to do brother...This very same situation happened to me a few years ago on a car I sold. I didn't want to sell because of the same reasons and another deal fell through on the car I was suppose to buy after selling the one I had. Now I regret selling it. My :Twocents:
Quote from: 375instroke on July 19, 2017, 08:35:37 PM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on July 18, 2017, 07:55:21 PM
Black with blue interior? And R/T SE ? Its weird wherever yo see it!
Never thought black with blue was a posible combo. I guess black top.
Can't tell about the rest of project you can have around, but I think that's a keeper
It's a recommended combination. Actually, every color was recommended with black exterior.
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/colorAndTrim/1969/69_Charger0003.jpg
Well, yeah, still weird... nice but way uncommon. Not saying unmatching, but hard to see
Not recomemded but acceptable, red with tan interior? I think looks great! We have see it kinda similar on the GL LOL
Quote from: hemi-hampton on July 19, 2017, 07:44:46 PM
I was under the impression CB could care less for #'s matching or rare options or restored back to original. I though you like to customize them your own way how you want them. If so then buy some cheap green 318 Charger & put 440 4 spd in it, paint it black with blue interior & slap some R/T emblems on it. Now you got the same car for 1/2 the money into it. Or sell all your other 15 Chargers & give this one a full blown Concourse correct OEM 100 point showcar Restoration. Why just have 16 half done junkers sitting around? One or the other. :scratchchin: :shruggy: :Twocents:
I'm not really one for shiny show cars, I like ratty fun to thrash and drive everyday regardless of dings and paint chips I'll gather along the way. I never planned to restore the black car, but just redo the interior so its bareable to ride in, put a big engine in it and have a rare hotrod beater to roll around in.
Quote from: cbrestorations on July 19, 2017, 10:31:44 PM
I never planned to restore the black car, but just redo the interior so its bareable to ride in, put a big engine in it and have a rare hotrod beater to roll around in.
Well, after following this thread I'd say there was a bit more to it than that! :scratchchin:
Quote from: cbrestorations on July 18, 2017, 07:25:32 PM
i bought this 69 rt/se black with blue interior car in april, wanted this car for 20 years.
And your first post says it all. And frankly that's cool. At least by my standards anyhoo. I just love old Dodge/Plymouths from the this era. I've got one that I've been chasing for quite some years but I don't have it yet. If I could get it, it wouldn't leave. Period. YMMV.
So, I'd keep it. :2thumbs:
Quote from: cbrestorations on July 19, 2017, 10:31:44 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on July 19, 2017, 07:44:46 PM
I was under the impression CB could care less for #'s matching or rare options or restored back to original. I though you like to customize them your own way how you want them. If so then buy some cheap green 318 Charger & put 440 4 spd in it, paint it black with blue interior & slap some R/T emblems on it. Now you got the same car for 1/2 the money into it. Or sell all your other 15 Chargers & give this one a full blown Concourse correct OEM 100 point showcar Restoration. Why just have 16 half done junkers sitting around? One or the other. :scratchchin: :shruggy: :Twocents:
I'm not really one for shiny show cars, I like ratty fun to thrash and drive everyday regardless of dings and paint chips I'll gather along the way. I never planned to restore the black car, but just redo the interior so its bareable to ride in, put a big engine in it and have a rare hotrod beater to roll around in.
In that case I would let it go. You can do that on any shell around
I made up my mind, if he's willing to lay down that cash he is obviously going to take care of it and not flip it. I told him he can take it home. I can take that money and finish the turbo setup on daisy, get my blue 68 driving and buy a 70 numbers six pack car 😊
Quote from: cbrestorations on July 20, 2017, 10:42:10 AM
I made up my mind, if he's willing to lay down that cash he is obviously going to take care of it and not flip it. I told him he can take it home. I can take that money and finish the turbo setup on daisy, get my blue 68 driving and buy a 70 numbers six pack car 😊
good plan :2thumbs:
People take note, this is generally what happens when you start to entertain selling a car you don't want to..you end up selling!
Sounds like you confirmed what you were feeling, good luck with the sale.
:popcrn:
Quote from: F8-4life on July 20, 2017, 12:39:46 PM
People take note, this is generally what happens when you start to entertain selling a car you don't want to..you end up selling!
Yep. Happened to me about a month ago and sold my Cuda.
Good decision based on sober second thought and adequate reflection..... move ahead :2thumbs:
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As it was already said -> You are a bloodhound.... Sell it... I am pretty sure you will come up very soon with another very rare charger...
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Quote from: rollo1504 on July 20, 2017, 03:16:48 PM
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As it was already said -> You are a bloodhound.... Sell it... I am pretty sure you will come up very soon with another very rare charger...
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As it was already said -> You are a bloodhound.... Sell it... I am pretty sure you will DIG up very soon another very rare charger...
Fixed it :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: cbrestorations on July 20, 2017, 10:42:10 AM
I made up my mind, if he's willing to lay down that cash he is obviously going to take care of it and not flip it. I told him he can take it home. I can take that money and finish the turbo setup on daisy, get my blue 68 driving and buy a 70 numbers six pack car 😊
:coolgleamA: :popcrn:
Quote from: cbrestorations on July 20, 2017, 10:42:10 AM
I made up my mind, if he's willing to lay down that cash he is obviously going to take care of it and not flip it. I told him he can take it home. I can take that money and finish the turbo setup on daisy, get my blue 68 driving and buy a 70 numbers six pack car 😊
Congrats, good choice. :2thumbs: LEON.
So is this a delusional buyer, or did the price of 2nd gen Chargers just go up again?
I wouldn't pay 30k for a project XP or XS Charger. A Daytona or 500 would be different. Values are still on the climb in my opinion. I sold a 70 charger last month. A bare shell that was full of rust. It was an FC7 car and had the VIN and fender tag on it. Original 383 car. Sold it for $2,000. I wouldn't have paid that much for it....
Quote from: cbrestorations on July 19, 2017, 10:31:44 PM
I'm not really one for shiny show cars, I like ratty fun to thrash and drive everyday regardless of dings and paint chips I'll gather along the way. I never planned to restore the black car, but just redo the interior so its bareable to ride in, put a big engine in it and have a rare hotrod beater to roll around in.
that sounded like a great plan to me.
Just do the mechanics and drive it "as is"
I am scared the soon to be new owner will restore it completely.
I feel sorry for every original paint car (even if it is very tired) to loose its paint
Carsten
I would probably not sell but honestly I hate when people say they'll sell and back out. Makes me very angry
Any update? Is he still willing to part with the cash?
I've had to run to cali as my dad is dying, so I have put my decision on hold. I think I may just keep the car, gotta see how things play out
Very sorry about your Dad !!!!
Sorry to hear the bad news. LEON.
Good luck mate, hope it works out ok for your Dad.
Enjoy your remaining time with him and family....
Your car has bounced around on some threads. At times it seems you are not that into the RTSE rarity. We all have our thing. At the end I would say keep what you like and upgrade as you desire to better or funnier cars. I am working on and towards a little 6.1L-69 dart now (intended for one of my kids actually).
The last 5 yrs has shown a lot of change in the market and increased volumes of buyers/flippers. With my X9 RTSE, my standard line has been... "yeah, just really not interesting in selling". On at least half dozen occasions someone say well what would it take to buy it and my replay was a stupid number (let's just say about 15k above perceived national market at that time). Normal reactions were ohh guess you do not want to sell it or something like that. The last time I spit out that number the guy then asked for my phone number and would call me... I was lucky he did not step up as I see it as a verbal agreement (contract) if he accepted. He never called. Verbal commandments do not mean much anymore it seems.
Regarding your cool rare great car and obviously loving the rare RTSE thing I am not surprised at all someone offered or accepted 30k. Not a bit. I am still surprised that red sunroof v21 RTSE in TX sold for less than that, but I have digressed. 30k is only 5-10k on top of same car in most other cars we would think.
Some good thoughts by other members too.
Good luck on your next steps...
Quote from: cbrestorations on July 21, 2017, 05:50:40 PM
I've had to run to cali as my dad is dying, so I have put my decision on hold. I think I may just keep the car, gotta see how things play out
awww no , sorry to hear about your Dad , CBR
Sorry about your dad. Remember, none of can keep these earthly possessions forever.
Sorry to hear about your dad!
Was it Clint that wanted so badly?I saw it on fb that he was after it!
I can't believe that a shell is worth $20k without any driveline just because it's Black rt/se!