Hello to all... My name is Tammy and I am a newbie to this forum. I am searching for any information pertaining to an Ebay auction that took place in November of 2011. The auction was for an original 69 Dodge Daytona in Arkansas that sold for $45000. I know who the seller is and would like to know who won the car where it is and if possible how to contact them. I have developed an emotional attachment to the car and know the original owner Rick Noble of Dayton, Ohio. I know where the original wing and other various parts to that car that the seller claimed was missing or stolen as well the ability to prove their originality to the car. I was recently told the Daytona was in Canada and currently being restored. If this is in fact true the new owner may wish to contact me so I can clarify the importance of the Dodge. I know how much a man loves his car so if anyone can help me with any info I would appreciate it. Thank you for your time, Tammy :slap:
hi welcome , you should try posting this in the areo cars section as well
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http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86052.0.html
Stu good find Columbo......
I remember that car now. Hope that someone can help out the buyer get the parts back on it..... :2thumbs:
Tammy, I commend you for your efforts! You found the right website.
:popcrn: So.. share the "importance" or the story on the car. Did someone steel the parts off the car or? More specifically how did the choose brown with a orange stripe combo? :scratchchin:
We have some board members in Canada that you could ask Maxwellwedge has several wingcars Beep Beep Dave and Magnum Charger 65 post about a wingcar in Canada shop.Rick Simpson and Nigel Mills also wingcar people in Canada
Here is some Q@A from that auction
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Re: Daytona Project from Arkansas on eBay... new one to me!
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Q: Hi Please send me more pictures. Is the wing/ nose in a known location or are they long gone. Also where is this car located? THanks Chris Nov-06-11
A: This car is located in NE Arkansas. I had been told where the wing,nose, and the rear glass were at but when I went to find them they were not there, I thought I found the rear glass but it was for an old dart or something. I'll get some pictures sent to you later today. Thanks
Not sure but there appears to be a brown daytona in this resto shop in Canada.Clik on mopar muscle cars page 2
http://www.asemotorsports.com/restorations.htm
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on May 02, 2013, 08:21:07 AM
:popcrn: So.. share the "importance" or the story on the car. Did someone steel the parts off the car or? More specifically how did the choose brown with a orange stripe combo? :scratchchin:
:scratchchin: hmmmm....brown and orange....original owner from Dayton, Ohio....must have been a big Cleveland Browns fan....
This car...
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=86052.0;attach=162655;image)
Here is it before the new wore off.
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=86052.0;attach=162755;image)
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=86052.0;attach=162656;image)
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=86052.0;attach=162657;image)
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=86052.0;attach=162658;image)
Quote from: richRTSE on May 02, 2013, 12:09:27 PM
:scratchchin: hmmmm....brown and orange....original owner from Dayton, Ohio....must have been a big Cleveland Browns fan....
Transcribed from letter written by the original owner who is now deceased:
There were two Daytonas at the dealership. One was black with a white stripe, and this car, R4 with a black stripe and white gut. He liked the black car because the nose seal was hidden by the black paint and did not look broken up. What turned him off was the paint on the wing did not match the tape stripe. That and the body was not prepped for black paint and was wavy and showed dings all over. The R4 car he "thought" must have been damaged in transit and had been repainted with considerable overspray on chrome and rubber. He also got a big discount because of this, and bought it knowing he would repaint it. (My opinion today is he probably did not realize his car was repainted at Creative and they simply did a poor job - ha!)
He spent several months considering color combinations for the upcoming paint job. By May of '70 the R4 was peeling off. He said he was "sick of seeing a red blob with a wing subdued with black".
He said, and here are his exact words: "I wanted to tone down the character of the car to become a sporty 'personal' car with a little accent on the design highlights. My choice was a '64 Plymouth metallic chestnut (a deep rich brown) which contains an orange radiance, dramatically harmonius with the '69 Dodge competition orange used on the stripe/spoiler. I made a pattern for the letters before removing the old stripe and masked them off when I painted the stripe achieving the same hole in the stripe effect as the factory tape. This (stripe) paint was mixed in semi gloss and adds contrast not only by colors but reflecting gloss content..."
That car sold for 45K. Holy cow. I would not have paid half of that.
WOW! It did look rough!!
Hello again and thanks to all which posted a reply! I did follow the advice from polywideblock and posted a copy in the Aero section. My friend has obsessed over this car since he was three and his uncle promised it to him. He and his family was given the influence that the car had been scrapped and no longer existed. My friend has the real title on his refridgerator to look at everyday. I knew how much it meant to him. Then as i stumbled across this forum I realized the Daytona was still alive and sold on Ebay. The problem with the sale was that before Rick passed he parked the car on his sisters property in Arkansas. Fastforward a bit he passed away. The oldest sister was the executor of Ricks estate and the title was placed in her name. My friend tried many times to arrange a pickup for the car and the family members wouldnt budge as far as handing it over. Since the oldest wanted to keep peace the car was left to sit. My friend called and called and even offered them cash for the car but got nothing. Several years later he and the family gave up thinking it was scrapped. All these events took place over a period of 10 or so years. My friend was given the wing and several other parts by his Uncle Rick as both knew who the car would be with eventually. Can you believe the excitment i was feeling when that brown and orange stripe popped up in the pic?! I really care about my friend and would love to see the car restored to its original state. That was my friends main intentions and life long dream. I am here to help him as much as possible. So now I know I am in the right forum everyone has been great and I appreciate everyone helping out!
So your friend has the title on the fridge :popcrn: :popcrn:
This could be bad for whoever shelled out $45k on a no title car. Eiik
Hello Tamera, welcome aboard!
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on May 02, 2013, 03:34:40 PM
So your friend has the title on the fridge :popcrn: :popcrn:
This could be bad for whoever shelled out $45k on a no title car. Eiik
The executor would have had Power of Attorney, she probably just applied for a dup. title to sell it with- it actually happens a lot with estates when the original title can't be found.
If you have to choose between having the title or having the car, the person with the car is in a position of strength. Also unfortunate that if I am reading it correctly, the person entrusted to store the car (can you say storage fees?) is also the executor of the estate.
:scratchchin: Does your friend have the kind of money to buy it from the new owner? That is, if the new owner is willing to sell it...if not then what is the intention of your friend? :shruggy: Forgive me but I'm not trying to be rude.
Quote from: skip68 on May 02, 2013, 04:03:15 PM
:scratchchin: Does your friend have the kind of money to buy it from the new owner? That is, if the new owner is willing to sell it...if not then what is the intention of your friend? :shruggy: Forgive me but I'm not trying to be rude.
I was gonna ask the same thing....something doesn't sound right
do you want to get the car back or get the missing parts to the current owner?
When you do find it, you can figure the guy who bought it is going to want more money than he paid for it. I hope your "friend" has 60k.
I'd be a little Leary about giving information out on a public forum to a new member without the members intentions stated. I'm sure you are legit Tammy but one never knows. When this car was on Ebag for sale some of the things seemed fishy about the parts as I remember,,,,now this thread has you speaking for a friend wanting info on it.....I hope there's not some kind of legal issue going on. :shruggy: I'm sure you can understand a few of us being skeptical. :cheers:
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Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on May 02, 2013, 03:34:40 PM
So your friend has the title on the fridge :popcrn: :popcrn:
This could be bad for whoever shelled out $45k on a no title car. Eiik
The executor would have had Power of Attorney, she probably just applied for a dup. title to sell it with- it actually happens a lot with estates when the original title can't be found.
Ah ok the whole title thing has always been grey to me as a Canadian. Here you have to have a registration for the car. Without it can't plate the car to drive on the road.
the title on the fridge...thats still in the dead uncle's name, right?
I'm not sure if I'm getting the correct vibe from this thread.....
...is it: "That car should be mine, I have the title, where is it?"
...or: "That was my uncle's car. I have some original parts from it. I really wish I could have had it, would be nice to see it restored and/or buy it."
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YEP! That's what I'm saying. I'm getting a feeling this is good or bad. :shruggy: It's normal and has happened a few times that the son of the old car owner comes here looking for his dads car and they state their intentions. :scratchchin: Never seen a friend of a nephew of a dead owner looking for a car without saying exactly what they want. :-\ "Need help desperately" :shruggy:
Tamera is a dude :shruggy:
:rofl: No, Tammy is the friend of the nephew of the dead uncle that used to own this car. :icon_smile_wink:
I'm not biting. He or she has been on here all day and has not said a word. :scratchchin:
That's the other thing I've noticed. She has been here reading and nothing. She was just here a few minutes ago and it said she was posting but nothing was posted. That's happened a few times today so I'm thinking somethings up. :shruggy:
or wanting a kings ransom for the missing parts. :shruggy:
Quote from: nvrbdn on May 02, 2013, 07:26:04 PM
or wanting a kings ransom for the missing parts. :shruggy:
or trying to get current owners info & scam them out of car
Bryan
The title is just a piece of paper. The only way that a title can be used to get a car back is first, it has to be in the person's name and second, you have to prove that there was theft or fraud. I have a feeling that this was an estate sale by an executor. Totally legal and trumps all titles.
I have titles for several cars that I've owned over the years. I would be an idiot to try to go get the cars back. That can get you seriously hurt in most situations.
Hi to all, I have read everyones post and I believe I may have given the wrong impression. I only posted for my friend and it has went in a million different directions. I am not out to start any trouble what so ever. I simply answered the question that someone asked which was asking what the story was. Everyone here has a sentimental story behind their car. I told my friends story and I am beginning to believe it may have been a mistake. I have read one comment stating I was a dude and I assure you all I am not a dude. The reason I have only been on a few times is because I am posting from my phone and it can be difficult at times. Our intentions for the car was to simply talk to the new owner. We thought he may be interested in discussing the car and parts since several of the original parts are with my friend. I do not feel it is fair for everyone to gang up and automatically assume that the purpose of this with bad intentions. There are good people left in this world.
OK. :cheers: It just looked strange and we're trying to make sense of it that's all. Sorry if you got offended. :cheers: Don't worry to much about it. Do you guys have any pictures of the parts? You should know that if they are in good shape they are worth a lot of money.
In the past people have come on here and misrepresented why they came on and who they are. Don't be offended, certain people on here are just cautious.
The parts you have are worth some serious money. I commend you in stepping up, usually it's the other way around. THANK YOU! :2thumbs:
Tamera, I have spoken to the restorer working on the Daytona and forwarded the contact info to your friend earlier tonight. Hopefully they will be able to get together and talk about the car.
Thank you Aero426! Thats great to hear!! To everyone else I understand your reasons for being so cautious. I tried to word my post carefully because of that reason. Some people that are diehard fans take their cars seriously and I know and understand why. I've spent a lot of time listening to my friend talk about that car and have developed a respect for it myself. So keep posting any information you might want to share and I will be posting some pics this weekend. Once again all apologies and I looking forward to hearing from everyone~Tam
:drool5: Sweet! We love pictures Tammy. :2thumbs: Good luck with your friends adventure and hope he gets something out of it. :cheers:
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 02, 2013, 09:13:41 PM
In the past people have come on here and misrepresented why they came on and who they are. Don't be offended, certain people on here are just cautious.
The parts you have are worth some serious money. I commend you in stepping up, usually it's the other way around. THANK YOU! :2thumbs:
X2. Glad you stepped up. We all are really just a bunch of lovers here. lol :lol:
Hey Tammy, just had an idea.... One option for your friend is to keep the parts and get a Charger project car and build a clone of his uncles. This way he will still have something and it will look identical to his uncles car with some real parts. :cheers:
good idea skip. find a 69 or 70 and use the parts he has to build a tribute car. :2thumbs:
Great idea Skip Ill pass the message on to him. Id be right there helping him too... Thanks for the pointers everyone!!!
To Whom It May Concern,
This letter is in reference to a 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona that was purchased on an EBay auction number 104633450261 dated November 2011. Listed by Mr. Jim Dunlap in North East Arkansas. The original and only owner was Rick Noble and he purchased the vehicle new in the Fall of 1969 in Dayton, Ohio. Complete vehicle history, title and pictures are within my possession and I will share these with you if so desire. During the early 80s Rick visited us and asked if the Daytona could be placed at our residence until he was ready to restore the vehicle. We moved to Ohio in 1984 and Rick and I decided for security purposes the Daytona should be placed on the property of Patti and Jim Dunlap (Patti is the youngest sister of Rick, Judy and I). Rick and my son, Darin, were planning on making the trip to Arkansas to retrieve the Daytona but before they could make the trip Rick passed away in 2002. As the executor and sole beneficiary of his estate I have tried several times to contact Jim to discuss the return of the Daytona. However Mr. Dunlap informed me that I would need to pay in excess of $76,000.00(seventy-six thousand dollars)for storage fees before the Daytona would be returned. There was never any mention of storage fees written or verbal before Rick's passing. After many attempts my son Darin contacted and spoke to Mr. Dunlap and offered to purchase the Daytona and was promptly denied. Mr. Dunlop had given a false impression that the vehicle had been "scrapped" and he wanted the "junk" out of his field. Within my current possession we have the title notorized in my name and dated for 05/21/2003. Also I have the original wing, both front fenders, nose cone and various miscellaneous parts all items mentioned throughout the Ebay description. I am sure you could imagine our surprise three weeks ago when we discovered it had in fact been auctioned almost two years prior. I would like to contact and speak with the person who placed the final and winning bid on the Daytona. I feel there may be several important issues to discuss, as you can imagine we have several concerns. Upon the advice of legal counsel we were advised to contact purchaser and offer this information before proceeding any further
Quote from: Tamera225 on May 03, 2013, 07:00:07 PM
...As the executor and sole beneficiary of his estate I have tried several times to contact Jim to discuss the return of the Daytona.... Mr. Dunlop had given a false impression that the vehicle had been "scrapped" and he wanted the "junk" out of his field. Within my current possession we have the title notorized in my name and dated for 05/21/2003..... ... I am sure you could imagine our surprise three weeks ago when we discovered it had in fact been auctioned almost two years prior. I would like to contact and speak with the person who placed the final and winning bid on the Daytona. I feel there may be several important issues to discuss, as you can imagine we have several concerns. ....
Wow, I can see this getting real ugly... real fast...
Well.....isn't that special ! :icon_smile_blackeye:
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Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on May 02, 2013, 03:34:40 PM
So your friend has the title on the fridge :popcrn: :popcrn:
This could be bad for whoever shelled out $45k on a no title car. Eiik
I'm quoting myself and eating more popcorn. :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
The to whom it may concern letter sure does not sound like the previous post.
Quote from: Tamera225 on May 02, 2013, 09:00:30 PM
Our intentions for the car was to simply talk to the new owner. We thought he may be interested in discussing the car and parts since several of the original parts are with my friend.
Its gone from talking about the parts too
Quote from: Tamera225 on May 03, 2013, 07:00:07 PM
To Whom It May Concern,
I feel there may be several important issues to discuss, as you can imagine we have several concerns. Upon the advice of legal counsel we were advised to contact purchaser and offer this information before proceeding any further
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNUr__-VZeQ
Quote from: skip68 on May 02, 2013, 05:45:51 PM
....I hope there's not some kind of legal issue going on. :shruggy:
:rofl: I'm quoting myself also. I called it yesterday. :nana: Anyway, good luck Tammy. Like I said before, make sure you guys hold on to those other parts. You guys have the major parts to make a Daytona. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
I feel a great disturbance in the Force
Bryan
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I'm going out on a limb here. Tammy, I'm guessing that your son or brother is the rightful owner of this car? If so then you guys need to fight to get it back. The person that sold it should've given you a notice of a lean sale. This really isn't fair to the new owner and hopefully you can become "friendly combatants" and go after the seller that will result in satisfaction for you and the new owner. This probably won't have the outcome you want but good luck to you.
well, i guess i need to retract my earlier statement of the possibility of trying to sell the parts for a kings ransom. and the newest letter shows that their intentions have no desire or direction to sell those parts for any amount of money. their legal advisers will direct them in the proper direction though as to how to use those parts on some car that they might get in the future. remember, there are still some good people left in the world.
Quote from: Tamera225 on May 03, 2013, 07:00:07 PM
To Whom It May Concern,
This letter is in reference to a 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona that was purchased on an EBay auction number 104633450261 dated November 2011. Listed by Mr. Jim Dunlap in North East Arkansas. The original and only owner was Rick Noble and he purchased the vehicle new in the Fall of 1969 in Dayton, Ohio. Complete vehicle history, title and pictures are within my possession and I will share these with you if so desire. During the early 80s Rick visited us and asked if the Daytona could be placed at our residence until he was ready to restore the vehicle. We moved to Ohio in 1984 and Rick and I decided for security purposes the Daytona should be placed on the property of Patti and Jim Dunlap (Patti is the youngest sister of Rick, Judy and I). Rick and my son, Darin, were planning on making the trip to Arkansas to retrieve the Daytona but before they could make the trip Rick passed away in 2002. As the executor and sole beneficiary of his estate I have tried several times to contact Jim to discuss the return of the Daytona. However Mr. Dunlap informed me that I would need to pay in excess of $76,000.00(seventy-six thousand dollars)for storage fees before the Daytona would be returned. There was never any mention of storage fees written or verbal before Rick's passing. After many attempts my son Darin contacted and spoke to Mr. Dunlap and offered to purchase the Daytona and was promptly denied. Mr. Dunlop had given a false impression that the vehicle had been "scrapped" and he wanted the "junk" out of his field. Within my current possession we have the title notorized in my name and dated for 05/21/2003. Also I have the original wing, both front fenders, nose cone and various miscellaneous parts all items mentioned throughout the Ebay description. I am sure you could imagine our surprise three weeks ago when we discovered it had in fact been auctioned almost two years prior. I would like to contact and speak with the person who placed the final and winning bid on the Daytona. I feel there may be several important issues to discuss, as you can imagine we have several concerns. Upon the advice of legal counsel we were advised to contact purchaser and offer this information before proceeding any further
Okay, I am back to my original thoughts...You (Tammy) have come on here and misrepresented why you came on here.
One thing for sure ,
I did receive a PM from Darin posting as Tamera225 a week or so ago. So you do not know who is really whom. Not that it matters, I guess.
I am not a lawyer and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express. But I do have a couple of thoughts.
1. I certainly feel for the side of the family that has "lost" the car. That said, I do not understand why anyone with a significant car would allow it out of their sight for so long, let alone allow it to be stored outdoors on someone else's property. I assume it was not insured.
2. It would seem that the legal remedy is really between the title holder and the relative who sold the car for financial gain. If there is a legal angle to seek advice on, this is it. The car is gone. Where is the money?
3. I have no idea what the statute of limitations on such matters are and I assume the estate was settled. It is ten years since the owner died. That seems like a long time.
4. Because of the casual arrangement for storage (decades ago?), it would seem there is a lot of room for he said/she said. Not to mention that one of the parties is now dead. Where was the owners attorney when the outrageous storage bill was presented?
5. The legal expense of attempting to reclaim a car that needs potentially $100,000 in restoration does not make a lot of sense. Perhaps the only winners would be the lawyers and still no car in the end.
6. The car is now located in another COUNTRY. That would seem to add an additional layer of complexity and expense.
7. Once again, I feel for the side of the family who has lost possession of the car.
i am assuming that two title copies (with two different dates) exist. if so, the most recent one will almost always prevail, especially with the person requesting it being the executor of the owner's estate.
if the one hanging on the fridge is the original one, it is about to cost someone a fortune in legal fees, only to end up being a conversation piece.
that said, the front end parts could find a happy home in indiana.....
Thanks for all the comments everyone has posted. It appears that some readers have perhaps misunderstood a few integral parts of the story. The purpose of the discussion topic was to hear all the different perspectives from various members. That has worked out awesomely because I believe I've heard them all lol... The Good, Bad and Ugly. The main point I am trying to get across is that we would like to make contact with the new owner to discuss the possibility of working together in order to have the "thief" investigated and made to realize just how bad his decision to lie (several times),hide the vehicle, sell and hoard the cash for himself without informing the family of his actions. Yes, I am aware that it would seem that my friend would want the car back at any cost. But that would solve nothing and the new owner has no fault at all. Therefore, my friend and his family wants the seller to at least acknowledge and reprimanded for his wrong doing, greed and selfishness. See... Simple right?
Quote from: Tamera225 on May 03, 2013, 10:38:37 PM
The main point I am trying to get across is that we would like to make contact with the new owner to discuss the possibility of working together in order to have the "thief" investigated and made to realize just how bad his decision to lie (several times),hide the vehicle, sell and hoard the cash for himself without informing the family of his actions.
why does this all come about, so long after the fact? time may well work against you.
no matter how this keeps going, I don't think "simple" is the term I would use
I hear you Tammy. I would think proving your case and getting some kind of judgment is the only hope. Then pick up another 69 Charger that needs work and build another Daytona. Maybe you guys should go after the jerk that sold the car for storage fees on the parts you've been storing. :rofl: just kidding. If you're lucky enough to get a judgment but he claims he has no money then you go get a writ and take some of his personal property.
Where is Stuart with the popcorn?
This is getting more and more interesting.
Skip, we're going to call you Columbo from now on. :2thumbs:
Tamara, your attorney should be advising you of the following...
1) The vehicle is considered part of the Estate, provided you (as Executor) showed due diligence in attempting to secure the assets of the Estate at the time of death. You will likely need to prove what actions you took. Gas receipts, copies of letters sent, etc etc etc
2) You have may have the right to report the vehicle stolen, and have criminal charges pressed against the person with whom you sought to recover the vehicle (the person who had voluntarily took possession of the vehicle without compensation). This action may also lead you to the person who purchased the vehicle. In addition, eBay is obligated in the case of a criminal action to surrender both seller and purchaser information under a court order.
3) You certainly have the right to pursue civil action for damages and expenses and material loss of property related to the unwillingness of the storer to return the property to the Estate.
4) There is a secondary and related issue of "abandonment". To have a car declared as "abandoned" and received a "junk yard title" many states require the posting of a public notice, or filing suit against the state, and providing information as to HOW the person seeking abandonment status obtained the vehicle. This could potential lead to a charge of criminal fraud in addition to theft.
5) As Executrix, you have a financial responsibility. Recovery of the car is a secondary issue to the financial issue. You want the money. You want it from the person who sold it, and you can sue for additional damages if you believe they sold it for less than fair market value.
6) Unless you pursue the avenue of a criminal charge, you really have no financial standing with the current owner of the vehicle, IF they obtained a state issued salvage title from the storer. If they obtained the title themselves you might have actions aginst them i.e. they didnt show due diligence in obtaining a title or conspired to commit fraud.
You have a complex issue - but think less of recovery of the car and ONLY recovery of dollars - which is your responsibility. It would seem that recover must be directed against the person who took the car into storage.
Good luck.
we may need a program guide to keep up with the cast of characters in this saga.
i gather that Rick, the deceased owner, had two sisters, Judy and Patti.
the oldest sister (Judy) was the executor of Rick's estate, and is also the mother of Darin, who is Tammy's friend.
the car was placed on the property of Patti, the youngest sister of Rick.
based on Tammy's account, Patti scammed Judy, who still has a title (in her name) to a car that is now in canada with a new owner?
this would make sense to this point, but for this part of tammy's post...
Quote from: Tamera225 on May 03, 2013, 07:00:07 PM
Patti is the youngest sister of Rick, Judy and I
who, is "I" ?
then there is this....
Quote from: Tamera225 on May 03, 2013, 07:00:07 PM
As the executor and sole beneficiary of his estate I have tried several times to contact Jim to discuss the return of the Daytona.
i believe Tammy is posting a statement made by Judy, the sister who "sought to keep peace in the family" while also standing to inherit the entire estate. so the sister entrusted with possession of the car was to be cut out of the brother's will, assuming that there was one?
It must be Susan, the dog groomer's niece's next door neighbors's vacation planner. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZd_YyFzPD0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZd_YyFzPD0)
Who knows what is really happening here. I'm guessing the original front clip and wing will not be reunited with the body they were mated to at Creative any time soon. Another guess, these parts may be on a different body sooner and for a long time.
There was an article on the improper conveyance of an old Ferrari in the "Legal Files" column of Sports Car Market a year or so ago. Legal mess. I believe the Court awarded ownership of the car to someone other than the person who had possessed the car for decades. It also was across Country borders.
This sounds like a mess beyond belief for a number of people.
It sounds like several folks need a lawyer.
"Our intentions for the car was to simply talk to the new owner. We thought he may be interested in discussing the car and parts since several of the original parts are with my friend. I do not feel it is fair for everyone to gang up and automatically assume that the purpose of this with bad intentions. There are good people left in this world"
It does not sound like this now.
"Mr. Acudanut,
My friends' parents posted the comment on my forum 1) because their legal advisor told them to. 2) They are not out to "get" the new owner, the car returned or money. Its basically the principle of the situation. There was a more recent post stated by another member that pretty much sums the entire purpose of the family's intentions up... What we would like to see happen is buddy work. The people wronged in this situation do not intend to do further harm by hurting someone that simply purchased a vehicle. We don't want to make someone feel like the family did when the Daytona was basically stolen and taken from someone that loved it dearly. We are all entitled to our opinion it is up to the reader what we do with that advice. Thank you for contributing and reading our post..."
legal representation along with the mention of being wronged aren't the usual components of a happily-ever-after story.
spite the evil sister and the unsuspecting buyer both, by sending the front end parts here.
;)Hi to all... :2thumbs: Thanks to Rainbow4jd for the advice and also to Held1283 for trying to decipher the "cast members" lol... The people involved are all relatives of Rick. There were 3 sister's and Rick. The eldest name is Elaine and she is the sole beneficiary and executor to Rick's estate. Elaine is also the Mother of my friend, Darin. Then there is Patti and Judi. Patti is married to Jim and their property is the place Rick parked the Daytona at. Held1283 is also correct when he stated that it sounded as though the person was telling me what to type. Although I did make a few errors in the post I can assure you that when I'm posting anything like that letter the family members are the people speaking and I'm typing. After many attempts at contacting the Dunlap's the family was informed the car had been scrapped out by Jim. Therefore, it wasn't that the family was not interested in the vehicle and did not want it but that they were devastated due to the fact that the Daytona was such a rarity and the thought of it being scrapped out was nauseating and uncalled for. If Jim posted any notification in the newspaper about the abandonment of the Daytona the family would not have read it since they did reside in Ohio and the notification would've been in an Arkansas paper. But if that was the case he should have posted it in the state of the last known address of the original owner (Rick), right? That would be the state of Ohio. The title is dated 2003 and is in Elaine's name. All these pieces when put together is proof enough to show that the Dunlap's were motivated by :slap: greed, :RantExplode: spitefulness :flame: towards Darin and just down right vindictiveness :rotz: . The people emotionally hurt are the Elaine, her husband, Darrell and Darin. Darin and Rick's relationship was that of an Uncle and nephew that had intentions of restoring the Daytona and creating a memory to put with the story of the car. Now, Darin has various parts that were given to him by Rick because Darin had the garage, land and tools necessary to restore the car but no Daytona. The family wants everyone to know that their intentions are not to get the car back or to scam the new owner but to have justice served on Jim. After all wouldn't a car thief that is caught be tried and sentenced for his crime?
Also, everyone PLEASE remember that everyone mentioned in these postings are related and were considered family members. So it isn't like the Dunlap's didn't know how to contact the family and inform them of his intentions. The estate would have been divided 3 ways. But the Dunlap's kept the entire $45000.00. :flame:
That really sucks to have such a cool car sold by someone that knows that it was suppose to someone else. I can guess the new owner had no idea the real history of the car. I know it sounds sad but getting that car back is very slim chance. If it can't happen I would just keep the parts and build a clone/tribute car in honor of the original owner. Or if you ever decide to sell the parts (which I'm sure you don't) I own a wrecked Daytona that needs everything and would be very interested in them. :cheers:
This has all the makings of the Stand Up General Lee mess!!- dont know how that turned out , could this Daytona be imported into Canada without proper paper work ??? -all the same - bet the new owner is glad the car is in Canada and not the US!!
I was second high bidder on the Daytona. I'm glad I backed off and let my friend get it.
Since it's all family then they cannot say it was abandoned. Since the purpose is going after the crook that sold the car I clearly see why you need to get in touch with the new owner. Good luck Tammy and turn that rotten S.O.B. in.
i must be reading a different story than skip is?
Quote from: Tamera225 on May 04, 2013, 11:03:49 AM
There were 3 sister's and Rick. The eldest name is Elaine and she is the sole beneficiary and executor to Rick's estate. Elaine is also the Mother of my friend, Darin. Then there is Patti and Judi.
i'm thinking it is patti that has made the chit list...
my head hurts now
I went back and looked at the "Sports Car Market magazine" articles about the Ferrari, there were a couple. The last one I saw had the owner of the car, who had owned the car for a long time, getting the car back form the police after the police had impounded it. The article talked about the "inside" and "outside" owners under Swiss law. So in the article the last owner it seems got to keep the car, so I was wrong. The article went on to say that 2 magazines were being sued for 5 million for having advertisements describing the car as stolen. One of the paragraphs in SCM had a heading labeled "What probably happened", another paragraph was labeled "So what happens next?".
For all the folks involved in the Daytona issue, it seems a mess beyond belief.
For most antique car owners, this has to be a nightmare type scenario. Especially where a title issue could have happened 30 or 40 years ago. Most all antique car owners probably don't know all the places their car or cars have been. I know someone will say "I do", but most don't.
Having been the executor for an estate, it became apparent to me that there are plenty of places where the whole process could unravel if someone made really bad choices.
I really don't understand pre WW2 cars from Europe can have much assurance that the title is really "clean".
What if the title is used to create a second car for this Daytona? Sure be hard to sell or even drive anything in the USA then.
All kinds of potential costs and problems could happen. A car with a missing fender tag seems "minor" in this world.
Quote from: skip68 on May 04, 2013, 01:50:58 PM
Since it's all family then they cannot say it was abandoned. The executor of the will / trust has laws and rules they must fallow or they can be in serious trouble. Since the purpose is going after the executor of the trust I clearly see why you need to get in touch with the new owner. Good luck Tammy and turn that rotten S.O.B. in.
No, I believe the executor was Darin's mom, Elaine, in Ohio. She tried to get the car back and was told that the younger sister, Patti, and her husband Jim, who were in possession of the car, wanted like $76,000 in back storage fees. Since Elaine was the executor, she had the title of the car put in her name in 2003. After some time, the people in Ohio were told by the people in Arkansas that the car had been scrapped. This was thought to be the end of the story, except the car wasn't scrapped, but was sold on ebay by Jim in 2011.
that what I'm getting out of this story so far...
You are absolutely correct. I fixed it. I don't know what I was thinking. :rofl:
So, who's on first ......?????
Quote from: C5X DAYTONA on May 04, 2013, 01:12:48 PM
I'm glad I backed off and let my friend get it.
What kind of a friend are you? :lol:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on May 04, 2013, 07:39:38 PM
Quote from: C5X DAYTONA on May 04, 2013, 01:12:48 PM
I'm glad I backed off and let my friend get it.
What kind of a friend are you? :lol:
I'm thinking I'm the lucky one now. :lol:
Lets say storage was $100 a month. At $76K thats storage for ...63.3 years. Even at $200/mo. thats 30 years. Sucks when someone tells you its raining....and that rain is warm and salty.
my feelings with this is that i feel sorry for the people involved all the way around, and cant see myself leaving a car like that siting outside on someone elses property for so long (even though it is a relative that you would think you could trust), but if it was me that was supposed to get that car, i would be doing whatever i could legally do to recover what is or was supposed to be mine. if i never recovered the car, i would make sure the "ex" relatives burned for their parts in this, and id find me another body to build. if i never sold the car, it wouldnt matter, but if you were to put the same amount of money in the resto of the real daytona, vs the tribute daytona, we all know which one will draw the money later. i just hope everyone can work through all of this without too much pain being delivered to the should be owner and the last purchaser. good luck.
This has me puzzled also. Tammy, do you know how they got a new title? Is there anything in writing from the sellers to your friends acknowledging them as the rightful owners? If the seller claimed it was abandoned then he would be committing perjury. That you can prove. If he did a lean sale your friends should have been notified unless he sent notice to the dead uncle knowing it would be returned or not answered. Again, you can prove they knew what they were doing and they were embezzling from the estate. Either way there should've been proper notification given to your friends or the estate. The estate should've asked for a junk receipt from the seller. If everything you've said is true then the sellers illegally obtained ownership and illegally sold that car.
As I said before, the words " friendly combatants" between your friends and the new owner is going to be key in this situation I think. This is a very messed up deal.
Quote from: skip68 on May 05, 2013, 09:51:50 AM
This has me puzzled also. Tammy, do you know how they got a new title? Is there anything in writing from the sellers to your friends acknowledging them as the rightful owners? If the seller claimed it was abandoned then he would be committing perjury. That you can prove. If he did a lean sale your friends should have been notified unless he sent notice to the dead uncle knowing it would be returned or not answered. Again, you can prove they knew what they were doing and they were embezzling from the estate. Either way there should've been proper notification given to your friends or the estate. The estate should've asked for a junk receipt from the seller. If everything you've said is true then the sellers illegally obtained ownership and illegally sold that car.
Hi to all, no the family doesn't know how they attained the false title. However, the Arkansas BMV states that any officer or official of the law in that state can "deem" the vehicle abandoned but the steps of notification and vehicle history should have been pulled and all owners notified. If this is how the process went then the person of law may be held accountable for his discrepancies along with the Dunlaps. Another contributing factor is that in the state of Arkansas the BMV only does a title search for their state not the entire US. Also, remember too that this family was under the influence that the car has been scrapped and was no longer around therefore the family gave up hope of attaining the Daytona for such a prolonged period of time. The EBay auction would not have been discovered if I hadn't ran a go ogle search on the VIN number. The family would still be assuming it was scrapped. I'm wondering now if I didn't open a can of worms (so to speak)
Have you contacted a lawyer yet? If not, why not?
we seem to be getting different stories every time you post about this..
Bryan
i thought she posted that legal advise suggested contacting the purchaser first and get the info on the sale so they have as much background as possible? :shruggy: or i could be reading between the lines.
I have read so much on this that my head hurts...maybe I missed something, it's possible....but it still seems something is "off" here to me anyway
Bryan
Your correct nvrbdn the family was advised to get as much info on the Daytona as possible. That was my intentions when I started this topic. Where else can a girl find info on such a rare car than here, right? I'm not sure but maybe Bryan missed the post I made about certain details :shruggy: But I am in the process of editing the pics I have of Rick (original owner) so that they can be clear and viewed properly. A lot of them are from film negatives that were stored for along time so I have transferred them to the computer. They will be posted soon....
until tammy's post about an hour ago, i had tried to keep an open mind about the family seeking neither the car or the cash. i wasn't totally buying that story, but would not just dismiss it, either. too many puzzle pieces were still missing to decide. we have three sisters, with three different agendas. the youngest sister has allegedly made off with all of the cash. no mention has been made of the middle sister's thoughts, but even if she wasn't interested in the car, she would almost certainly be interested in her share of the $45,000. that amount isn't pocket change, after all.
tammy's later post shows that the oldest sister, or at least her son, has already put some major effort into deciphering the legalities of the car's ownership and subsequent sale. these efforts did not start after this thread appeared. legal counsel had already been sought, by someone trying to build a case for going after something. this thread is an attempt to help locate the car, and to claim otherwise is total
well, I don't think we are getting the full or correct story :scratchchin:
story lines keep changing, direction changes with every post...."he said, she said" keeps going on and changes as well
I'm being quiet for now :popcrn:
I wouldn't say it's changed but rather more info and details have been added. Is the new owner a member here? If so, I bet he's got one hell of a turning stomach. :rotz: By going into or contacting the BMV your friends should've been able to find out how the sellers got a new title. That would be one of my first steps being the fact that your friends have a title in their name. Why was this not done? :shruggy: Knowing the car was sold has been proven but finding out how the sellers got ownership is something of more importance right now. You never know, maybe they have something from the uncle that granted them ownership and they just never said anything because it would be ugly. Find out HOW they got ownership first before upsetting and scaring the new owner because maybe, just maybe they had a legal right that you aren't aware of. :Twocents:
skip may be right, the new owner may be drinking mylanta by the bottle. or he could simply be watching this family put the word fun, in dysfunctional.
i'm not sure which story line is more intriguing, the youngest sister secretly robbing the family bank, or tammy's rendition of sherlock holmes.
For all we know the oldest could have been trying to cut the others out so the youngest used the "storage fees" route to get "her share". When that didn't work she and her husband kept the car and sold it to get "her share".
Granted, I am a pessimist, but that was the first thing I thought of when I read this thread. :shruggy:
Dean, I had those same thoughts also. :yesnod: It's hard when you only have one side of the story.
Okay now I need help lol how do I get these pics on here? I get a message stating the pic file is too large.... :brickwall:
If the seller of the car was doing something crooked why did they place it on ebay? I remember seeing it for sale. We are not to far away and I thought about going after it myself.
this site needs smaller pic's just resize them to post. but you may have another problem then. if you tried to post then it will want you to rename the photos also. if i doesnt work for you, mail them to one of the guys here that are used to this stuff and they can get em listed. :2thumbs:
I guess letting everyone know that I discovered the EBay listing in the last 3 weeks. Since then I have been putting info on here and trying to find the new owner. As of yesterday the owner or their representative contacted the family and both parties are in agreement the car will stay where it is at... Canada. The other info I would like to disclose is that the estate was settled according to Ricks wishes. All three siblings including the Dunlaps received a third of his entire estate. The car was placed in the executor's name, Elaine. The Dunlap's got their third AND kept the Daytona. Just as I have stated the family doesn't want the car or money but justice served... Thanks again I'll resize the pix and try again...
Well that's good for the new owner. :2thumbs:
Hope this pic upload works. But this is the Daytona the day Rick bought it
Quote from: Tamera225 on May 05, 2013, 03:53:55 PM
Hope this pic upload works. But this is the Daytona the day Rick bought it
Worked good.
Keep 'em coming. :popcrn:
:2thumbs: Not just a Daytona but a right hand drive one. :nana: Keep em coming Tammy. :cheers:
Your too cute there Skip68... :eek2:
Quote from: skip68 on May 05, 2013, 04:00:22 PM
:2thumbs: Not just a Daytona but a right hand drive one. :nana: Keep em coming Tammy. :cheers:
didn't notice that before you mentioned it...and now that you did, license plate & antenna are reversed as well
Just look at the car in a mirror, all will be "right" with the car again
Bryan (picturing Skippy holding his 'puter monitor up to the bathroom mirror)
Thank's Bryan, the mirror trick totally worked. :icon_smile_wink: :cheers:
After the paint job
As everyone can tell they are ALL backwards lol... Remember though I did these off of slides....No ones perfect... :nana:
More to come...
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The Title
Quote from: Tamera225 on May 05, 2013, 04:11:18 PM
As everyone can tell they are ALL backwards lol... Remember though I did these off of slides....No ones perfect... :nana:
dang, he broke the antenna. :D
yep that minor defect was worth 2 million bux lol :nana:
MOPARts ;D
did he own the other wing car that was in the driveway?
What did you find out on the new owner? Has it already been restored?
Quote from: nascarxx29 on May 02, 2013, 08:44:51 AM
Not sure but there appears to be a brown daytona in this resto shop in Canada.Clik on mopar muscle cars page 2
http://www.asemotorsports.com/restorations.htm
Here is the link that was posted earlier on this topic. It is Rick's Daytona. My friend, Darin has everything in the pic that Rick pulled off the original and gave to him. Darin does have the original wing. That pic was taken just yesterday...
Quote from: Tamera225 on May 05, 2013, 04:50:55 PM
http://www.asemotorsports.com/restorations.htm
Here is the link that was posted earlier on this topic. It is Rick's Daytona.
I do not see Rick's Daytona in those photos. If you are talking about the brownish one with mag wheels, that cannot be the car.
Don't shoot the typer lol Im just relaying what was I was told....
Quote from: Tamera225 on May 05, 2013, 05:35:23 PM
Don't shoot the typer lol Im just relaying what was I was told....
Once again, I do not see Rick's car at ASE Motorsports. I don't believe that ASE was related to the person working on the car. I do see a different brownish Daytona that was in better shape prior to restoration.
Quote from: Tamera225 on May 05, 2013, 05:35:23 PM
Don't shoot the typer lol Im just relaying what was I was told....
Don't believe everything yer told...some of it may not be true
Quote from: nvrbdn on May 05, 2013, 04:31:44 PM
did he own the other wing car that was in the driveway?
I just realized that I misread the question. Not sure if Rick owned the other wing or not I'll ask Darin when I see him again but I do know he had great taste in cars. I kinda wish i'd have been born a generation earlier...
:drool5:
the car he is sitting on the front of could be the other car in the driveway. doing alot of work there, so i was just assuming that maybe he had 2 of em at the same time.
that title is in no way the original. Ohio started using that format within the last 15 years. So where did that title come from and whose name is on it? The original title what have been yellow.
Quote from: Tamera225 on May 02, 2013, 03:00:16 PM
The oldest sister was the executor of Ricks estate and the title was placed in her name.
How did we get to 'I don't know how she got a title' from here? Also, if the car had been titled that recently in Ohio it would have been back in the databases, unlike a car with a 1969 title. Ohio's records are complete back to 1980.
Not being a jerk on purpose here, and it sucks that your friend thought he was getting a Daytona for free, but at MOST he's entitled to whatever part of $15k IF he was in line for it. A promise, not in writing, after someone dies, is worth nothing. If the will said 'so and so gets my car XX29xxx' there is 'justice' to be had. If not, well...mount the wing on the wall and be glad you got a couple grand in free parts.
The executor of the will Was the good one. The sister that had the car and sold it was not the executor And they somehow got a new title for it. I'd say some kind of fraud was committed.
Quote from: pettybird on May 05, 2013, 10:24:17 PM
Quote from: Tamera225 on May 02, 2013, 03:00:16 PM
The oldest sister was the executor of Ricks estate and the title was placed in her name.
How did we get to 'I don't know how she got a title' from here? Also, if the car had been titled that recently in Ohio it would have been back in the databases, unlike a car with a 1969 title. Ohio's records are complete back to 1980.
The oldest sister was executor of estate, lives in Ohio, and had title put in her name in 2003 after her brother died. The car was in Arkansas at the youngest sister's place. It is assumed the youngest sister and her husband acquire a new title in their name and then sold the car. If/how they got a new title in their name is what is unknown...
I don't know about that state, but in Utah a car can be considered abandoned after 90 days. All the property owner needs to do is have a police officer come out and do a vin inspection, then send a registered letter to the current owner, if the current owner is deceased, you send it to the family. I am sure where they were family, they could fill out the paperwork. Then you send it in and get a new title. I am not saying what they did is morally rite, but I don't think it was illegal.
As for the story, no one here is getting a strait story, every post says different things, and is just all over the place. I feel bad for the new owner, but I think as the car was legally taken to Canada, there is nothing they can do about getting it back. :Twocents:
Quote from: C_stripes on May 05, 2013, 10:46:03 PM
As for the story, no one here is getting a strait story, every post says different things, and is just all over the place.
:iagree: kinda what I have been saying all along
Page 6 and I need help desperately
I've read enough of this to be totally confused,as for who said what,who was supposed to get what,it seems to be hearsay and worthless unless documented,won't hold water in court (ask Judge JUdy :o ) .As far as this thread goes,keep it up,at least it's entertaining !! :cheers:
Having been the executor of an estate where a car was involved, someone had it in another state, the general tone of the thread makes a lot of sense.
As to which side has the most compelling prevailing narrative, someone other than I will make the defining decision.
What it points out is that things can go very bad with or without planning and when things go bad it can be a mess.
Hello to everyone and thanks for reading. I apologize for all the choppiness in the story. When I started the topic with a basic outline I really didn't expect as many replies aquestions. I tried to be as clear as possible without mentioning names but once I was given permission I posted as much info as I could and answered as many questions as possible. But the family got the info they needed by several awesome people and they are grateful for all the help, comments and advice.
Quote from: 62 Max on May 06, 2013, 07:27:28 AM
I've read enough of this to be totally confused,as for who said what,who was supposed to get what,it seems to be hearsay and worthless unless documented,won't hold water in court (ask Judge JUdy :o ) .As far as this thread goes,keep it up,at least it's entertaining !! :cheers:
Agreed.
Quote from: Tamera225 on May 06, 2013, 10:45:29 AM
Hello to everyone and thanks for reading. I apologize for all the choppiness in the story. When I started the topic with a basic outline I really didn't expect as many replies aquestions. I tried to be as clear as possible without mentioning names but once I was given permission I posted as much info as I could and answered as many questions as possible. But the family got the info they needed by several awesome people and they are grateful for all the help, comments and advice.
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
"the family got the info they needed by several awesome people and they are grateful for all the help, comments and advice."
So what's in it for you ?
Quote from: richRTSE on May 05, 2013, 10:36:38 PM
Quote from: pettybird on May 05, 2013, 10:24:17 PM
Quote from: Tamera225 on May 02, 2013, 03:00:16 PM
The oldest sister was the executor of Ricks estate and the title was placed in her name.
How did we get to 'I don't know how she got a title' from here? Also, if the car had been titled that recently in Ohio it would have been back in the databases, unlike a car with a 1969 title. Ohio's records are complete back to 1980.
The oldest sister was executor of estate, lives in Ohio, and had title put in her name in 2003 after her brother died. The car was in Arkansas at the youngest sister's place. It is assumed the youngest sister and her husband acquire a new title in their name and then sold the car. If/how they got a new title in their name is what is unknown...
So the executrix of the will is the "friend's" mom? Was there some mention of compensation for the cost of the car to give to the kid, or any other split?
Reading this thread is no different than pulling out. It leaves you that feeling there is more than what you're getting.
:shruggy:
Quote from: Old Moparz on May 06, 2013, 04:03:33 PM
Reading this thread is no different than pulling out. It leaves you that feeling there is more than what you're getting.
:shruggy:
Oh my god your posts are always entertaining to say the least. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
QuoteReading this thread is no different than pulling out. It leaves you that feeling there is more than what you're getting.
:rofl: :lol: :smilielol: :rofl: Best thing that I have read in this post!!!! :rofl:
:iagree: :smilielol:
I know I'm a few months behind but I was just looking back at the March 2014 Mopar Collectors Guide and saw a Brown Daytona in a ditch and thought :scratchchin: I saw it somewhere before, yup, even has the pic in this post in the article. Did anyone else notice that? What ever happened with the OP with the parts and title on the frig?
Was it this brown daytona http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86052.0.html
Look back in page 5 of this thread at the pics the OP (Tamera225) has posted, Looks like the same car to me. Also In the original post the OP stated that it was sold on ebay in 2011.
Hello everyone! I k ow its been a while since we posted about the Daytona but a lot has happened. The Daytona featured in the magazine is the Daytona that originally started this thread. We now know where it is and what its future holds. We are very happy with how this story unfolds. I will return to fill everyone in on this thread as soon as I get permission to disclose the details from all the people involved. But the story featured in the magazine is accurate as far as details of the story behind the car. Check back soon as I will be posting on this topic again soon.
The last I heard from the Canadian shop involved with the car, they had reached an agreement and had purchased the pile of damaged parts from the family. This was about a year ago.
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101069.0;attach=196915;image)
Howdy all,
I may not know the whole story, but in my research for this article, I sure learned a lot! An up-to-date summary on this car for those who are curious:
http://www.autofocus.ca/news-events/features/this-rolled-in-a-ditch-charger-daytona-is-going-through-a-six-figure-restoration (http://www.autofocus.ca/news-events/features/this-rolled-in-a-ditch-charger-daytona-is-going-through-a-six-figure-restoration)
The story says:
What is known is that the car was one of just five built with a wing center section made of solid aircraft-grade aluminum...
???
Quote from: StoneCold on February 08, 2016, 01:20:17 PM
The story says:
What is known is that the car was one of just five built with a wing center section made of solid aircraft-grade aluminum...
???
From what I understand, Daytona wings' center sections are generally hollow inside; this one is one big chunk the whole way through.
Interesting. LEON.