Jon @ Tube Chassis Designz called me on Friday and says "on your way down to the show today, why don't you swing in, I have something I want you to see".
It's a 1967 Hemi Belvedere WITH 43 MILES ON IT, documented.
The motor is out, and the car is being converted to a full blown drag car, but wow, what a pc of history.
And yes, the 43 miles were put on 1/4 mile at a time.. :lol:
Enjoy!!
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Grabbed these shots of Jon's car on my way out.. He was headed to the track for a weekend of racing!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_0022Small-2.jpg)
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And here's a little "assistance" he got for his buddy..otherwise known as 'the fat kid'.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_0023Small-2.jpg)
I hope that's not one of those Belvadere GTX factory Hemi cars. If so, you're right, it would be a very, very rare piece of history and they're getting ready to junk it.
http://www.harmsauto.com/images/One%20of%20None/scan0031.jpg
I don't know that they are about to "junk it". The original motor is history. He's putting some massive 600+ CI Hemi under the hood in it's place. Other than that, a modern cage and a few other goodies are going in it's place.
Quote from: jb666 on May 31, 2010, 02:22:30 PM
Jon @ Tube Chassis Designz called me on Friday and says "on your way down to the show today, why don't you swing in, I have something I want you to see".
It's a 1967 Hemi Belvedere WITH 43 MILES ON IT, documented.
The motor is out, and the car is being converted to a full blown drag car, but wow, what a pc of history.
And yes, the 43 miles were put on 1/4 mile at a time.. :lol:
Enjoy!!
That puts a whole new emphasis on Oh Em Gee! :yesnod: Thats very cool!
I don't suppose you got a VIN or fender tag pic of the Plymouth?
Quote from: A383Wing on May 31, 2010, 07:56:05 PM
I don't suppose you got a VIN or fender tag pic of the Plymouth?
No, but I will. :cheers:
Post 'em up when ya get them...fender tag would be best of the 2 to get
Quote from: bull on May 31, 2010, 04:15:17 PM
I hope that's not one of those Belvadere GTX factory Hemi cars. If so, you're right, it would be a very, very rare piece of history and they're getting ready to junk it.
http://www.harmsauto.com/images/One%20of%20None/scan0031.jpg
That's not even an RH23 car like discussed in the memo. That's an RL21 car.
The white books list two known 67 RL21 cars; one four speed and one automatic. Is this the automatic car?
Also, I don't know my 66-67 Plymouths that well. Is this really a '67 or is it a '66? According to the White book, there were 136 1966 RL21 Hemi cars shipped and 50 RO21 Hemi S/S cars.
definately a 1967.
Quote from: 69CoronetRT on May 31, 2010, 08:10:10 PM
Quote from: bull on May 31, 2010, 04:15:17 PM
I hope that's not one of those Belvadere GTX factory Hemi cars. If so, you're right, it would be a very, very rare piece of history and they're getting ready to junk it.
http://www.harmsauto.com/images/One%20of%20None/scan0031.jpg
That's not even an RH23 car like discussed in the memo. That's an RL21 car.
The white books list two known 67 RL21 cars; one four speed and one automatic. Is this the automatic car?
Also, I don't know my 66-67 Plymouths that well. Is this really a '67 or is it a '66? According to the White book, there were 136 1966 RL21 Hemi cars shipped and 50 RO21 Hemi S/S cars.
1966 Plymouths had two headlights whereas 1967s had four. I believe that's the easiest way to distinguish them.
Quote from: chargerrt on June 01, 2010, 01:03:42 PM
Quote from: 69CoronetRT on May 31, 2010, 08:10:10 PM
Quote from: bull on May 31, 2010, 04:15:17 PM
I hope that's not one of those Belvadere GTX factory Hemi cars. If so, you're right, it would be a very, very rare piece of history and they're getting ready to junk it.
http://www.harmsauto.com/images/One%20of%20None/scan0031.jpg
That's not even an RH23 car like discussed in the memo. That's an RL21 car.
The white books list two known 67 RL21 cars; one four speed and one automatic. Is this the automatic car?
Also, I don't know my 66-67 Plymouths that well. Is this really a '67 or is it a '66? According to the White book, there were 136 1966 RL21 Hemi cars shipped and 50 RO21 Hemi S/S cars.
1966 Plymouths had two headlights whereas 1967s had four. I believe that's the easiest way to distinguish them.
And the tail pannel was different as well.
1966
(http://www.adclassix.com/images/66plymouthbelvederesatellit.jpg)
1967
(http://www.adclassix.com/images/67plymouthhemi.jpg)
Quote from: 69CoronetRT on May 31, 2010, 08:10:10 PM
Quote from: bull on May 31, 2010, 04:15:17 PM
I hope that's not one of those Belvadere GTX factory Hemi cars. If so, you're right, it would be a very, very rare piece of history and they're getting ready to junk it.
http://www.harmsauto.com/images/One%20of%20None/scan0031.jpg
That's not even an RH23 car like discussed in the memo. That's an RL21 car.
The white books list two known 67 RL21 cars; one four speed and one automatic. Is this the automatic car?
Also, I don't know my 66-67 Plymouths that well. Is this really a '67 or is it a '66? According to the White book, there were 136 1966 RL21 Hemi cars shipped and 50 RO21 Hemi S/S cars.
Quote from: bull on May 31, 2010, 04:15:17 PM
I hope that's not one of those Belvadere GTX factory Hemi cars. If so, you're right, it would be a very, very rare piece of history and they're getting ready to junk it.
http://www.harmsauto.com/images/One%20of%20None/scan0031.jpg
yeah thats what i am thinking soon as a saw this !! by all means cut tub cage back half or space frame but to to a original Hemi car like that :RantExplode:
good pictures Jeff thanks for posting :cheers: :coolgleamA:
Galen barely speaks to Mark because he modified a 65 Belvedere into a race car. Said they were rare, building each one was different due to strikes. This Hemi car is extremely rare from what is being said here.
Here's a pic that a friend sent Jon today (original owner) of this very car at the track in 1967!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/28229_1298817951864_1272868542_3065.jpg)
Ok, I just talked to Jon. It's being built like a stock eliminator car... Frame connectors, roll bar, a Jericho 4 speed, wiring, plumbing, fuel system. not even 1/2 tub..NOTHING to the body.
The original motor was put into a Dart back in 1968... And back then , even being 1 or 6, this was called a "mule car", and it wasn't an issue yanking the motor back then.... This was the predecessor to the superstock Cudas and Darts...
Also meant to mention it came as a stick car...
Here's the tag...
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So I take it it's the real Hemi deal? And they are gonna do stuff to it that should not be done? :RantExplode:
1 of 1, eh?
Wow. The sheer ignorance of some people amazes me.
That is probably the lowest documented mileage car of that type in existence, let alone already being an extremely rare car.
It belongs in a museum, not on some track.
If they put it back to original, they could sell it at BJ for enough to buy several race cars.
Quote from: jb666 on June 01, 2010, 08:09:23 PM
Also meant to mention it came as a stick car...
Here's the tag...
Thanks for posting that. I notice the right side of the tag doesn't show up. A couple of questions please...does the SO number start wtih 51? Is there a 9 Under the y on the top line? The reason I asked is the Judy Lilly car is also a 67 RL21 car and was comparing the two tags.
interesting dilemma.
whats cooler...putting it in a glass box or racing it?
RACING IT. ....thats what its for...but 'restore it' to its ORIGINAL RACING CONFIGURATION and race the shit out of it as a 'nostalgia' car. dont junk it up with a bunch of modern crap...thats what Chevies are for.
doing a nice 11 in it with a 4 speed and a 'old' hemi is like 100000000 times more badassed than doing an 8 with new shit.
but..still better to let it run than sit behind glass.
Quote from: A383Wing on June 01, 2010, 08:59:11 PM
So I take it it's the real Hemi deal? And they are gonna do stuff to it that should not be done? :RantExplode:
1 of 1, eh?
Quote from: jeryst on June 01, 2010, 10:29:04 PM
Wow. The sheer ignorance of some people amazes me.
That is probably the lowest documented mileage car of that type in existence, let alone already being an extremely rare car.
It belongs in a museum, not on some track.
If they put it back to original, they could sell it at BJ for enough to buy several race cars.
:yesnod: i cant believe what these dudes are about to do !! :RantExplode: :RantExplode: :brickwall:
could understand it being done 40 years ago ! but not now well out of order :down:
If it's as rare as claimed, and original as it looks, it would be extremely short sighted to make modifications to any original intact factory drag car beyond how it raced in period.
Quote from: 69CoronetRT on June 01, 2010, 10:37:53 PM
Quote from: jb666 on June 01, 2010, 08:09:23 PM
Also meant to mention it came as a stick car...
Here's the tag...
Thanks for posting that. I notice the right side of the tag doesn't show up. A couple of questions please...does the SO number start wtih 51? Is there a 9 Under the y on the top line? The reason I asked is the Judy Lilly car is also a 67 RL21 car and was comparing the two tags.
The restoration work on the Judy Lilly car and paint was done at the shop that is doing my Charger. Stripmasters / Pure Muscle Restoration/ They didn't do the engine that was done and then placed in the car later.
Quote from: jb666 on May 31, 2010, 04:38:28 PM
I don't know that they are about to "junk it". The original motor is history. He's putting some massive 600+ CI Hemi under the hood in it's place. Other than that, a modern cage and a few other goodies are going in it's place.
:P I'm glad to hear they're not planning to carve on it but still, one blown tire and a trip into the wall at 98 mph and it is junked. This is bad. I hope they rethink this.
Quote from: Manfred318 on June 01, 2010, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: chargerrt on June 01, 2010, 01:03:42 PM
Quote from: 69CoronetRT on May 31, 2010, 08:10:10 PM
Quote from: bull on May 31, 2010, 04:15:17 PM
I hope that's not one of those Belvadere GTX factory Hemi cars. If so, you're right, it would be a very, very rare piece of history and they're getting ready to junk it.
http://www.harmsauto.com/images/One%20of%20None/scan0031.jpg
That's not even an RH23 car like discussed in the memo. That's an RL21 car.
The white books list two known 67 RL21 cars; one four speed and one automatic. Is this the automatic car?
Also, I don't know my 66-67 Plymouths that well. Is this really a '67 or is it a '66? According to the White book, there were 136 1966 RL21 Hemi cars shipped and 50 RO21 Hemi S/S cars.
1966 Plymouths had two headlights whereas 1967s had four. I believe that's the easiest way to distinguish them.
And the tail pannel was different as well.
1966
(http://www.adclassix.com/images/66plymouthbelvederesatellit.jpg)
1967
(http://www.adclassix.com/images/67plymouthhemi.jpg)
Indeed! My first car was a '67 Belvedere II, so I have a special place in my heart for that body style. It's my second favorite...behind Chargers of course ;)
looks like the '66 had chrome strips at the body side tops too...
a very interesting thread and car, does seem a shame to "Update" it.. :shruggy:
Quote from: Brock Samson on June 02, 2010, 03:43:29 PM
looks like the '66 had chrome strips at the body side tops too...
a very interesting thread and car, does seem a shame to "Update" it.. :shruggy:
:iagree:
I believe those top moldings were an option on the Satellites. My '66 Belvedere I had did not have them. It had body side moldings.
Satellite(http://www.vicarimotorsports.com/1966PlymouthSatellite426.jpg)
Belvedere(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3075/2577511107_f8d8b3e2fa.jpg)
:rofl: I love you guys... And I'm not being sarcastic here...
Jon's just performing a service.. he's the best at what he does, and I will keep you all updated with plenty of pictures. He will NOT destroy this car and he will not pile it up with "modern junk". Jon's an old school Mopar nut.. But he (as well as the owner of the car) believes the car should be used/raced, and it will be...
Is it a rare, classic bird?? yeah it is, but it's not mine.. So I can't say what to do with it... :cheers: :cheers:
I wonder if you told him it's probably worth $75k as it sits. Think that would change his mind?
Quote from: bull on June 02, 2010, 05:31:52 PM
I wonder if you told him it's probably worth $75k as it sits. Think that would change his mind?
I'm not sure, I don't know the owner, personally.. But I can bet one thing, he's probably seeing this... I'm not sure if $$ is something the owner is concerned with at this point..
There is nothing being done to this car that can't easily be returned to stock.
it's getting a roll bar because it'll run in the 10's and it's required.. NOTHING else is being done to the car to alter it from stock.. The car was purchased back in 1968 and he's had it since.. This is something he's wanted to do for years and he's finally doing it.. I agree that it's certainly better to get this thing out and USE IT then sit it behind some looking glass for people to stare at... It'll be done well, trust me.
Quote from: jb666 on June 02, 2010, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: bull on June 02, 2010, 05:31:52 PM
I wonder if you told him it's probably worth $75k as it sits. Think that would change his mind?
I'm not sure, I don't know the owner, personally.. But I can bet one thing, he's probably seeing this... I'm not sure if $$ is something the owner is concerned with at this point..
And he may not be. But if the time comes to sell, the mods have an effect on the future value of the car, and nobody likes to hear bad news at selling time. "Hey too bad about the modern roll bar and those sub frame connectors". The best you can do is try to enlighten the guy as to what he really has.
Because of all the cars that were raced to death, the few that survived have earned their place.
Just for the record, the ONLY thing Ray Yonkers did on the Judy Lilly car was the bodywork, overall paint, and stripes. The custom lettering and ALL other restoration work on the car was performed by the very talented and knowledgable 67 B-body expert, Jim Drain.
Quote from: jb666 on June 02, 2010, 05:46:51 PM
I agree that it's certainly better to get this thing out and USE IT then sit it behind some looking glass for people to stare at... It'll be done well, trust me.
I disagree but of course (the old trump card) it's his car. There's lots of 67 Belvadere 383 cars out there that people can enjoy seeing race. A 1 of 1 Hemi car with 43 miles on it though? Not too wise IMO.
Quote from: bull on June 02, 2010, 05:31:52 PM
I wonder if you told him it's probably worth $75k as it sits. Think that would change his mind?
I'm betting, that with the proper documentation, it would fetch 5 to 10 times that at a BJ auction.
Old race cars are HOT right now.
Well, if anyone's interested, I'm sure showing $100k to the owner would take it away :yesnod: , other than that ,he's owned it for 40+ years and is doing with it what HE wants, not what someone else wants him to do.. :cheers:
If this wasn't brought to Jon's shop to be done it would have been brought somewhere else... At least someone that knows what it is will be working on it and some shop that just wants to cut it apart.
So... We can start a SAVE THE HEMI CAR auction.......... I'll open the bidding at $85k... :2thumbs:
Quote from: Manfred318 on June 02, 2010, 04:02:02 PM
Quote from: Brock Samson on June 02, 2010, 03:43:29 PM
looks like the '66 had chrome strips at the body side tops too...
a very interesting thread and car, does seem a shame to "Update" it.. :shruggy:
:iagree:
I believe those top moldings were an option on the Satellites. My '66 Belvedere I had did not have them. It had body side moldings.
Satellite
(http://www.vicarimotorsports.com/1966PlymouthSatellite426.jpg)
Belvedere
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3075/2577511107_f8d8b3e2fa.jpg)
Yep - I've been looking for the driver's fender stainless for a 66 satellite for 2 years now with NO luck at all...
Quote from: bull on June 02, 2010, 07:27:03 PM
Quote from: jb666 on June 02, 2010, 05:46:51 PM
I agree that it's certainly better to get this thing out and USE IT then sit it behind some looking glass for people to stare at... It'll be done well, trust me.
I disagree but of course (the old trump card) it's his car. There's lots of 67 Belvadere 383 cars out there that people can enjoy seeing race. A 1 of 1 Hemi car with 43 miles on it though? Not too wise IMO.
lots of 318 and /6 cars also, shame to do this but not my car i guess............................
Quote from: Harms Inc on June 02, 2010, 06:59:47 PM
Just for the record, the ONLY thing Ray Yonkers did on the Judy Lilly car was the bodywork, overall paint, and stripes. The custom lettering and ALL other restoration work on the car was performed by the very talented and knowledgable 67 B-body expert, Jim Drain.
No disagreement there. The car is amazing in all it's glory. Judy Lilly is absolutely adorable...I just wonder how she EVER reached the clutch. BTW his name is Ray Younkin. To his credit he also restored the 500 that was owned by a Blue Angel that, God keep him, lost his life training another pilot. Great pics featured in Mopar Collector Guide taken at NAS Pensacola. It was a very moving photoshoot with the widow. She was given the opportunity to see the car back in it's glory headed for a new owner that loved the car. The comment she made that makes me smile..."He loved anything that was fast". Guess so.
Quote from: jb666 on June 02, 2010, 08:39:00 PM
So... We can start a SAVE THE HEMI CAR auction.......... I'll open the bidding at $85k... :2thumbs:
Here's my :Twocents:
<it's all I got>
Quote from: A383Wing on June 02, 2010, 09:29:18 PM
Quote from: jb666 on June 02, 2010, 08:39:00 PM
So... We can start a SAVE THE HEMI CAR auction.......... I'll open the bidding at $85k... :2thumbs:
Here's my :Twocents:
<it's all I got>
jb...your wife is gonna kill you!
Quote from: jb666 on June 02, 2010, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: bull on June 02, 2010, 05:31:52 PM
I wonder if you told him it's probably worth $75k as it sits. Think that would change his mind?
I'm not sure, I don't know the owner, personally.. But I can bet one thing, he's probably seeing this... I'm not sure if $$ is something the owner is concerned with at this point..
There is nothing being done to this car that can't easily be returned to stock.
it's getting a roll bar because it'll run in the 10's and it's required.. NOTHING else is being done to the car to alter it from stock.. The car was purchased back in 1968 and he's had it since.. This is something he's wanted to do for years and he's finally doing it.. I agree that it's certainly better to get this thing out and USE IT then sit it behind some looking glass for people to stare at... It'll be done well, trust me.
oh right !! not as bad then !1 i had visions of tubbing , or space framing , & back halving , or even a scratch built space frame !! guess i jumped the gun a bit :slap: on such a rare car !! well not as bad if it can easily be removed !!
awesome stuff never the less !! keep the pictures coming Jeff & thanks for sharing this with us :cheers: :cheers: :yesnod: :popcrn:
could still due a tribute/heritage theme, modifying the current roll bar isn't that much, jericho is way out of line, alot of 727/904 10 sec cars out there
Ok, I'll be heading by Tube Chassis later to grab some pictures... But here's an update...
The guy bought this car in 1968 for $300. He knows what it's worth now and doesn't care... It's not about value to him, it's about doing what he wants to his own car...
The frame connectors are in...Pictures to follow.
There's a full cage being put in because his goals went up a bit.
The factory Dana 60 is coming out and a Ford 9" is going in along with the Jericho transmission.
I'll be back later. :cheers:
:brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
but as the saying goes, its his car, just like the guy letting one sit in a field of mud for 30 years............................................
Welp... I just got back from the shop(s), and I took plenty of pictures while I was out...
First, the entire front suspension needed to be replaced, so that's out... Then you'll see further down that the Dana is already out awaiting the 9"'s arrival.. And , as promised, here are shots of the frame connectors and the beginning of the cage.
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Here's a pile of parts waiting to be picked up by the scrap metal guy...
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No BK fire hazards here.. The bar isn't close enough to the dome light to start a fire.
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And finally, the coolest thing...
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Well guys, it's been a while since I updated this thread with some pictures.. So here's how the car's sitting now.. The engine bay was just completely re-painted..
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nice work been going on !! thanks for sharing the pictures Jeff :cheers: :2thumbs:
:flame:
Quote from: Vainglory, Esq. on September 11, 2010, 01:06:49 PM
:flame:
Sorry dude.. Don't shoot the messenger.. I only supply the pics :cheers:
Fricken AWESOME!
Think Jon will do a pro bono tub job on my 67 R/T. :2thumbs: :lol:
Quote from: mikepmcs on September 11, 2010, 01:28:33 PM
Fricken AWESOME!
Think Jon will do a pro bono tub job on my 67 R/T. :2thumbs: :lol:
LOL!! Certainly can't hurt to ask him, Mike!!!!!!!!!!
Mike -- PM or text me when you're around.. I have a new PDR guy.. I've given up on Dan and this new guy is great and RIGHT off the highway. :cheers:
I started making my own pdr tools. made the fog board and now I'm starting to shape the rods. don't really have time though to learn the pdr but I was interested for about 2 weeks. :lol:
Well, I've made up my mind.
The owner is an idiot!
Sure is nice work going on there thanks for sharing the pics. Oh by the way jb666 I'll offer my services as the scrap metal guy :icon_smile_wink: I'm sure he needs to get that "garbage" out of his shop pronto.
A real piece of history wasted for the owners short term pleasure. Congrats on cutting the value of the car in half, let alone an irreplaceable piece of history. Regardless of the circumstances, cutting that car is completely irresponsible.
Hey, Jeff. Any updates on this bad boy? :icon_smile_cool:
Its looking great!!! :2thumbs:
ford 9"? jericho transmission? its his car.. i get that.. but this is my opinion.. he's an idiot. his brain is officially "stuck in stupid".
No updates... I'll get some shots this week... the way I see it.. His car.. His money... :2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on October 11, 2010, 07:19:21 PM
No updates... I'll get some shots this week... the way I see it.. His car.. His money... :2thumbs:
i agree with you, dont get me wrong... but.. i believe i summarize mostly everyone's opinion by saying, he is still a blooming idiot. if he has this much money, he can find any other car and "fack/hack" it up the way he wants, but to do it to this car is just blasphemy.
i, for one, will honestly not view this thread for updates because i dont think he is making the car better, but rather he is ruining it. no sense looking for updates on a car that is getting screwed up. not dogging on you man, but the dude is a little off kilter.
"His car, his money" is not mutually exclusive with "he's a fucking idiot."
Quote from: RD on October 11, 2010, 08:50:49 PM
Quote from: jb666 on October 11, 2010, 07:19:21 PM
No updates... I'll get some shots this week... the way I see it.. His car.. His money... :2thumbs:
but.. i believe i summarize mostly everyone's opinion by saying, he is still a blooming idiot.
For the record, I'm not in the "mostly everyone" crowd. That is not my opinion. Bring on the updates. Can't wait to see this bad boy done. :2thumbs:
It was a piece of history now it's just another boogered up old car. :flame:
All I can say is what I've been saying all along... It's his car, his $$... In the end, his decision.. More power to him for doing what he wants with it
I stopped by Jon's shop tonight to talk to him about a few things... And we got to talking about this car...
His feelings are it's his car, he can do whatever he wants with it.. He asked the owner if it's REALLY what he wanted done and if he knew what he was doing.. The owner replied "I've had this for 42 years and this is what I want". Jon explained everything that had to be cut and moved...Jon told him to sell it like it is (factory) and buy any car you want and race tomorrow with it...
So in the end, it's something the owner went into with his eyes open wide...
As for the post above.. it is a real car. Jim Reid (who built my motor) is the guy who put the 43 miles on it back in 1967. It was bought new from Hall Motors in Brockton, MA. It was a factory Hemi 4-speed Belvedere 1, otherwise known as the mule car...Radio delete.. Heat delete... Jim and his brother Tom raced it in '67 and sold it at the end of the year , to another guy in Central Mass, who pulled the entire drivetrain out. The CURRENT owner bought the body, as you see it for $300. It even has the original metal hood scoop...
For the record, the guy who owns this is not rich.. He's a regular working stiff like the rest of us... He put his kids through college.. Did his time.. And this is his dream car.
My hat's off to him for living his dream.
Any one who thinks the car is being "hacked" should really go see the quality of the work that's being done and decide for themselves...
Hey guys, I bought a painting!
I made some "modifications." People told me not to, but they don't own it, and I figure, hey, it's my painting.
:rofl: He shoots.. He scores!!
:popcrn:
we are just caretaker :Twocents: :Twocents:
I think we all agree what we would have done if it were our car.... :yesnod:
Quote from: jb666 on October 13, 2010, 05:25:09 PM
I think we all agree what we would have done if it were our car.... :yesnod:
But its not. When I finally get around to working on my car I better get permission from the Mopar gods and give them 3 copies of a 5 color plan of how I would like to build MY car. I hope all these purists have the correct hose clamps, oil filter, battery cables, and cam bearings in their own cars, or maybe they are just a bunch of hypocrites. I am going to get some dinner, will it offend anyone if I have lasagna? Or should I have what they want to eat?
We know it's not our car, lasagna...say what? I think most of us prefer pizza :shruggy:
I think he may regret his decision later on down the road :brickwall: :slap: :shruggy: :Twocents:
I agree.
Quote from: Dave C on October 13, 2010, 06:15:36 PM
Quote from: jb666 on October 13, 2010, 05:25:09 PM
I think we all agree what we would have done if it were our car.... :yesnod:
But its not. When I finally get around to working on my car I better get permission from the Mopar gods and give them 3 copies of a 5 color plan of how I would like to build MY car. I hope all these purists have the correct hose clamps, oil filter, battery cables, and cam bearings in their own cars, or maybe they are just a bunch of hypocrites. I am going to get some dinner, will it offend anyone if I have lasagna? Or should I have what they want to eat?
You are fundamentally misstating the issue. It's not whether
your car per se is correct, it's whether the
truly rare, historical ones are. Just like I don't care whether someone draws a mustache on a five year old's art class rendering of the Mona Lisa, I really don't care if someone wants to put a bunch of "pro-touring" stuff on their unspectacular 318 Charger. Nobody needs "permission from the Mopar gods" for that. But when you want to mess with a 1 of 1 Hemi Belvedere with 43 original miles, you might as well be painting a mustache on the real Mona Lisa.
I'm not a hypocrite for saying that
this car should be correct because my non-R/T, non-numbers matching Charger is not. But any idiot can see that there's a difference between my car and this Belvedere.
Can you see the difference?
While we're at it...
Let's take the original Apollo Lunar Lander and make a lemonade stand out of it.
Let's take the Wright Brothers plane and make a kiddy ride out of it.
Let's reupholster Archie Bunkers chair with paisley naugahide.
Let's take Fonzies jacket and make a lamp shade out of it.
Let's take the Constitution and make a paper airplane out of it.
Sometimes, certain things belong to history, and their value/pedigree/whatever transcends
personal ownership. A car like that should have been treasured, and preserved for the
rare and irreplaceable piece of history that it was. He even threw away the pieces that were removed,
so it can never even be returned to what it should have stayed.
Moron2
Quote from: jeryst on October 13, 2010, 10:35:03 PM
He even threw away the pieces that were removed,
so it can never even be returned to what it should have stayed.
Moron2
Well Jerry, I made my usual bi weekly trip by the shop and Jon told me about all the "interest" this car was getting and it got my attention. And its people like yourself that blow it out of proportion, if you dont want to modify an original car then dont, if yo do, then do it, after all its yours. Why is your car green? That would not be my choice whether it came from the factory like that or not, I like Hemi Orange, but I am not going to start threads on the net about what you did to your car. Maybe you should know some of the facts before you go posting also, EVERY PIECE THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THE CAR IS SAVED, LABELED AS TO WHERE IT WENT,AND PHOTOGRAPHED, but apparently you seem to know otherwise which is why you signed your status as the bottom of your post.
I'll probably get blasted for this but here goes,,,,,,,,I personaly don't see the significance of any car made in the 60's,,, or 70's for that matter. It's a vehicle of mass production. it just happen's to have a serial number to make it one of one.
Would I have done it to the car,? Hell no...then again, I have my doubts I would have done it to a 318 car either, it's just not my style.
Even though I sell parts to restore to as close to factory stock , I've always been a believer of do what makes YOU happy. IF theres medical condition driving the decisions, all the better. We have but one go around in life,,,make it a good one and enjoy it while you can.
Case in point, A good friend of mine has the 1st bird sold to the general public. It happens to have dealer installed air on it, and is the primary reason he bought the car in the 1st place.And it WILL have the A/C re-installed and working when the car gets redone. After all, it is HIS car .
And btw, I firmly believe anything is reveresable and if in the right hands would be un-detectable by 99.9 % of the buying public. If man built it once, man can rebuild it if given the right opportunity
Ok, flame suit on
Quote from: Dave C on October 14, 2010, 05:31:44 AM
Quote from: jeryst on October 13, 2010, 10:35:03 PM
He even threw away the pieces that were removed,
so it can never even be returned to what it should have stayed.
Moron2
Maybe you should know some of the facts before you go posting also, EVERY PIECE THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THE CAR IS SAVED, LABELED AS TO WHERE IT WENT,AND PHOTOGRAPHED, but apparently you seem to know otherwise which is why you signed your status as the bottom of your post.
he said what he said because jb666 said this:
QuoteHere's a pile of parts waiting to be picked up by the scrap metal guy...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_0148Small.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_0149Small.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_0151Small.jpg)
This isnt the only place this build is getting flamed!
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=A12&Number=6243133&page=0&fpart=all
Bottom-line..........a car is original only once!!
What a waste.....sad, very sad...... :rotz:
It's a 1967 Hemi Belvedere WITH 43 MILES ON IT, documented.
The motor is out, and the car is being converted to a full blown drag car, but wow, what a pc of history.
And yes, the 43 miles were put on 1/4 mile at a time.. :lol:
In the 2010 issue of MuscleCar Milestones, they have an article entitled "Musclecar Myths" with one of the stories being the following:
Super Low Mileage Race Cars
"Many high dollar muscle cars spent their early years at drag strips. This is especially true of the highest horsepower models, such as Hemis and big-block Chevys and Fords. Some cars left their odometers hooked up, but others were disconnected.
Low mileage claims for some famous racecars are suspect. Sure, the miles were put on a quarter mile at a time, but some highly publicized cars that touted all their race wins come up short of what their true mileage should be. To be a national event winner at a major NHRA, IHRA or AHRA race, a Stock Eliminator or Super Stock Eliminator has to go many rounds, and that's after winning their class competition.
Then there's testing and tuning runs, plus qualifying. The measured distance is only a quarter mile, but by the time you include the shit down area, the return road, the distance to and from the pits, the staging lanes, trips to tech inspection, and possibly a trip to purchase racing fuel, an Eliminator winner has to cover many miles in a single weekend. Multiply those miles by the number of races in a year and the number of years that the car was campaigned, and you can't have a winning car with less than one hundred miles on it."
Seems as if the car didn't make that many passes down the quarter mile if it has only 43miles on it......(do the math) :scratchchin:
Quote from: wingcar on October 14, 2010, 02:08:40 PM
It's a 1967 Hemi Belvedere WITH 43 MILES ON IT, documented.
The motor is out, and the car is being converted to a full blown drag car, but wow, what a pc of history.
And yes, the 43 miles were put on 1/4 mile at a time.. :lol:
In the 2010 issue of MuscleCar Milestones, they have an article entitled "Musclecar Myths" with one of the stories being the following:
Super Low Mileage Race Cars
"Many high dollar muscle cars spent their early years at drag strips. This is especially true of the highest horsepower models, such as Hemis and big-block Chevys and Fords. Some cars left their odometers hooked up, but others were disconnected.
Low mileage claims for some famous racecars are suspect. Sure, the miles were put on a quarter mile at a time, but some highly publicized cars that touted all their race wins come up short of what their true mileage should be. To be a national event winner at a major NHRA, IHRA or AHRA race, a Stock Eliminator or Super Stock Eliminator has to go many rounds, and that's after winning their class competition.
Then there's testing and tuning runs, plus qualifying. The measured distance is only a quarter mile, but by the time you include the shit down area, the return road, the distance to and from the pits, the staging lanes, trips to tech inspection, and possibly a trip to purchase racing fuel, an Eliminator winner has to cover many miles in a single weekend. Multiply those miles by the number of races in a year and the number of years that the car was campaigned, and you can't have a winning car with less than one hundred miles on it."
Seems as if the car didn't make that many passes down the quarter mile if it has only 43miles on it......(do the math) :scratchchin:
Whats a "shit down area" :shruggy:
A lot of drag cars also have the speedo disconnected.
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Whats a "shit down area" :shruggy:
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Not a part of the article....just poor typing.....(the u and the i are to close) :slap:
Although depending on how the run went you may think of it either way. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: RD on October 14, 2010, 07:19:57 AM
Quote from: Dave C on October 14, 2010, 05:31:44 AM
Quote from: jeryst on October 13, 2010, 10:35:03 PM
He even threw away the pieces that were removed,
so it can never even be returned to what it should have stayed.
Moron2
Maybe you should know some of the facts before you go posting also, EVERY PIECE THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THE CAR IS SAVED, LABELED AS TO WHERE IT WENT,AND PHOTOGRAPHED, but apparently you seem to know otherwise which is why you signed your status as the bottom of your post.
he said what he said because jb666 said this:
QuoteHere's a pile of parts waiting to be picked up by the scrap metal guy...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_0148Small.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_0149Small.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_0151Small.jpg)
Just for the record that was 100% total sarcasm... I had no clue what was being done with those pcs... The scrap metal guy picking up a Dana? :rofl: I guess I can see how this was taken seriously... But t'was a joke...
Quote from: Dave C on October 14, 2010, 05:31:44 AM
Quote from: jeryst on October 13, 2010, 10:35:03 PM
He even threw away the pieces that were removed,
so it can never even be returned to what it should have stayed.
Moron2
Well Jerry, I made my usual bi weekly trip by the shop and Jon told me about all the "interest" this car was getting and it got my attention. And its people like yourself that blow it out of proportion, if you dont want to modify an original car then dont, if yo do, then do it, after all its yours. Why is your car green? That would not be my choice whether it came from the factory like that or not, I like Hemi Orange, but I am not going to start threads on the net about what you did to your car. Maybe you should know some of the facts before you go posting also, EVERY PIECE THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THE CAR IS SAVED, LABELED AS TO WHERE IT WENT,AND PHOTOGRAPHED, but apparently you seem to know otherwise which is why you signed your status as the bottom of your post.
I apologize if I mistakenly thought the part pics shown were real. Everything else I said, however, I still mean.
Dang, of all the times to leave my sarcasm detector unplugged jb666, I thought I was going to get a free dana for my 74 dodge pickup! ::)
Love the pics, keep'm comming,
You need this
i don't think they meant the quality of the work, it may not be a "hack job" but the car IS being "hacked up", meaning cut up
Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 16, 2010, 04:05:58 PM
You need this
I'm bidding on one on EBay right now.. Wonder if it'll work...
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dSZ36A0-GBI/SYey8cuaxZI/AAAAAAAACQw/JQwh9aQH0hA/s400/sarcasm+meter.jpg)
:shruggy:
Cool car & nice photos jb666, I like that the guy is finally getting to do something he wants to a car he's had for so many years. :cheers:
The fact that the car has become such a valuable, & rare item over this time period, I might have reservations of modifying much on it if it were mine. New tires, or other mechanical parts would go on, but cutting & welding might be tough to decide on. I can sympathize with the owner though, I've had my Satellite for many years & it still isn't making any progress with daily life in my way.
I want to modify things on a solid, rust free, convertible to make it a nice driver. It's not one of one, but it isn't common. It's mine, I'm not selling it, & I want to enjoy it while I still can. It has way more sentimental value to it than monetary. As much as I'd like to know someone else would enjoy it after I'm gone, I don't really care what gets done to it after I croak with the exception of wrecking it.
Jeff,
Chuck told me to check in with you. Met you at the Halifax show this fall. Do you have any pictures of this car showing the spring relocation work up close?
Thanks,
Ed B
Almost a whole year without a post, what's the latest? :shruggy:
Quote from: efb on October 11, 2011, 08:44:36 PM
Jeff,
Chuck told me to check in with you. Met you at the Halifax show this fall. Do you have any pictures of this car showing the spring relocation work up close?
Thanks,
Ed B
What's up Ed... shoot me an email at jb666@comcast.net --- I'll dig through my pictures now, but at least I'll have your email address when I find them.
Good to meet you , and I hope you know your car is 1,000,000% going to be in the right hands... :cheers:
Quote from: Topher on October 11, 2011, 09:17:02 PM
Almost a whole year without a post, what's the latest? :shruggy:
There really isn't a "latest". (I lost track of it) The owner got the car back and hit the track.. I'll ask Jon for an update on what/where/how it did :cheers:
We DID end up bumping into the original owner of this car at the Boston World Of Wheels this past April. VERY cool.
Cool thread, I think the owner of the Belvedere may well be the biggest RETARD I have ever seen in the Mopar hobby. Clearly doing it just to spite others, he is a victim of his own limited mental capacity.
EPIC FAIL.
I have a Real Deal 67 Hemi GTX w/ 30K, 100% original. Would the owner (Jon) of Mopar masterpiece 67 Hemi be interested in selling it prior to touching it? Dead serious. Would love to talk and possibly buy it, actually save it! Thanks, Joe
A year later and people still complain,
Its his dam car let him do what he wants to it, i can understand if he was ripping the thing apart....everything that was done could be undone if the next person who gets its chooses to do so.
Man some of you really know how to kill the fun out of this hobby, anyone going to get mad because i grafted 71 door louvers into a 73 door??
The guy gets to enjoy the rest of his life racing a car he had his whole life...guess thats a problem.
any pictures of the finnished car !! would love to see them :drool5: :yesnod: :popcrn:
Quote from: FLG on October 11, 2011, 11:41:12 PM
A year later and people still complain,
Its his dam car let him do what he wants to it, i can understand if he was ripping the thing apart....everything that was done could be undone if the next person who gets its chooses to do so.
Man some of you really know how to kill the fun out of this hobby, anyone going to get mad because i grafted 71 door louvers into a 73 door??
The guy gets to enjoy the rest of his life racing a car he had his whole life...guess thats a problem.
AMEN... And also the reason I rarely post here any more.
Jon doesn't own this car. A customer does.
A car that is 1 of 1 bought new and raced then sold a year later. The original engine pulled and gone, so how can you make this back to original??
All the people that bagged this guy for doing what he did, need to drink some hospital grade laxatives and clear the shit off of their livers! The "history" was gone a year after it was built!
The owner was not an idiot for doing what he did, neither was Jeff for posting it!
Quote from: Darkman on October 12, 2011, 06:51:27 AM
A car that is 1 of 1 bought new and raced then sold a year later. The original engine pulled and gone, so how can you make this back to original??
All the people that bagged this guy for doing what he did, need to drink some hospital grade laxatives and clear the shit off of their livers! The "history" was gone a year after it was built!
The owner was not an idiot for doing what he did, neither was Jeff for posting it!
:2thumbs:
Oooooo
Quote from: tan top on October 12, 2011, 02:45:54 AM
any pictures of the finnished car !! would love to see them :drool5: :yesnod: :popcrn:
There were pics of it on Moparts recently.
Quote from: FLG on October 11, 2011, 11:41:12 PM
A year later and people still complain,
Its his dam car let him do what he wants to it, i can understand if he was ripping the thing apart....everything that was done could be undone if the next person who gets its chooses to do so.
Man some of you really know how to kill the fun out of this hobby, anyone going to get mad because i grafted 71 door louvers into a 73 door??
The guy gets to enjoy the rest of his life racing a car he had his whole life...guess thats a problem.
couldn't agree more. His car his life.
And ANYTHING done to this car CAN be reversed. I know people who can undo anything done to any car, and I'll guarentee 99% of the people would never know is was done
Quote from: Aero426 on October 12, 2011, 11:09:38 AM
Quote from: tan top on October 12, 2011, 02:45:54 AM
any pictures of the finnished car !! would love to see them :drool5: :yesnod: :popcrn:
There were pics of it on Moparts recently.
oh right ! thanks :cheers: will go & try to find them , can be hard to locate stuff over there :yesnod:
Quote from: tan top on October 12, 2011, 07:46:58 PMcan be hard to locate stuff over there :yesnod:
That's an understatement. I guess an "Anything But Mopars" area would be too difficult to create.
At anyrate if you can find a link, please post it up. :cheers: I lost the urge for looking after a 1/2 hour.
He replaced the Dana 60 with a 9 inch.
All arguments defending him are therefore invalid. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: StoneCold on October 12, 2011, 08:33:14 PM
Quote from: tan top on October 12, 2011, 07:46:58 PMcan be hard to locate stuff over there :yesnod:
That's an understatement. I guess an "Anything But Mopars" area would be too difficult to create.
At anyrate if you can find a link, please post it up. :cheers: I lost the urge for looking after a 1/2 hour.
yep , if & when i find it !! will post it here :yesnod: :2thumbs: , had a look last night for a bout 20 minutes !! but gave up , :brickwall:
Quote from: Laxy on October 12, 2011, 09:47:32 PM
He replaced the Dana 60 with a 9 inch.
All arguments defending him are therefore invalid. :icon_smile_big:
Why? IMO, Service from the aftemrkt makes it a better choice for service and repairs on the fly . I mean it is and always has been a
race car.
And , btw, I'm not defending him or downing him. It is HIS car HIS money therefore HIS choice. Any circumstances persuading his choices or decisions is irrelevant.
I give him credit for keeping the car safe and dry all these years.and glad it was not just raced to death or crashed and left out to rot.
but my guess is he is now in his 60es or 70es and will now loss control and crash it at the track,unless he has lots of track and driving experience.
i would have sold it or mild rebuild for show and race a non rare model,,,,, :Twocents: any updates and pics???????????????????
Quote from: djcarguy on October 13, 2011, 08:13:38 AM
I give him credit for keeping the car safe and dry all these years.and glad it was not just raced to death or crashed and left out to rot.
but my guess is he is now in his 60es or 70es and will now loss control and crash it at the track,unless he has lots of track and driving experience. i would have sold it or mild rebuild for show and race a non rare model,,,,, :Twocents: any updates and pics???????????????????
:2thumbs: There's a nice upbeat optimistic thought :2thumbs:
And to answer your question, yes he does (have both).
Quote from: tan top on October 13, 2011, 05:47:05 AMyep , if & when i find it !! will post it here :yesnod: :2thumbs: , had a look last night for a bout 20 minutes !! but gave up , :brickwall:
Only took two minutes today.
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Test&Number=6823780&Searchpage=1&Main=6823250&Words=%26quot%3B67+hemi%26quot%3B&topic=&Search=true#Post6823780
Quote from: StoneCold on October 13, 2011, 04:59:06 PM
Quote from: tan top on October 13, 2011, 05:47:05 AMyep , if & when i find it !! will post it here :yesnod: :2thumbs: , had a look last night for a bout 20 minutes !! but gave up , :brickwall:
Only took two minutes today.
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Test&Number=6823780&Searchpage=1&Main=6823250&Words=%26quot%3B67+hemi%26quot%3B&topic=&Search=true#Post6823780
That thread is lame.. more of the usual... People talking about what THEY would do if it were their car. Bottom line is it isn't.. Hell, it's not MINE... I could give two craps about the car, I just wanted to share some cool pictures...
The car is what it is. The owner got the car he wanted and can enjoy it.
Quote from: StoneCold on October 13, 2011, 04:59:06 PM
Quote from: tan top on October 13, 2011, 05:47:05 AMyep , if & when i find it !! will post it here :yesnod: :2thumbs: , had a look last night for a bout 20 minutes !! but gave up , :brickwall:
Only took two minutes today.
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Test&Number=6823780&Searchpage=1&Main=6823250&Words=%26quot%3B67+hemi%26quot%3B&topic=&Search=true#Post6823780
you found it !! :2thumbs: thanks for posting :cheers:
I'd race the hell out of it, thats what it was for in the beginning, and thats what its for now. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :Twocents:
Any updates on this car?
Quote from: 69CoronetRT on May 31, 2010, 08:10:10 PM
Quote from: bull on May 31, 2010, 04:15:17 PM
I hope that's not one of those Belvadere GTX factory Hemi cars. If so, you're right, it would be a very, very rare piece of history and they're getting ready to junk it.
http://www.harmsauto.com/images/One%20of%20None/scan0031.jpg
That's not even an RH23 car like discussed in the memo. That's an RL21 car.
The white books list two known 67 RL21 cars; one four speed and one automatic. Is this the automatic car?
Also, I don't know my 66-67 Plymouths that well. Is this really a '67 or is it a '66? According to the White book, there were 136 1966 RL21 Hemi cars shipped and 50 RO21 Hemi S/S cars.
I know where the 4 speed car is at. It's my understanding that the Hemi wasn't available in the Belvedere in 1967, only on the the GTX and that there were 4 - 5 Belvedere I's that were built with the Hemi, 1 street car (the one pictured) and 3 - 4 race cars.