Here I go again... :lol: As if I did not have enough "Irons in the Fire", I am starting one final effort to learn the first ten year history of my Daytona. After being driven at fairly fast clip into a utility pole in 1979, the Daytona was taken apart to its current state and sat until sold in 1984 to the guy that I later bought it from in 1989. There is a very small chance that I could track down the original engine & transmission, and an even smaller chance of locating the smashed front end... :faint:
I talked to the gentleman that I bought the car from earlier this evening, and he is willing to help try to track the material down... IF possible. The guy he bought the Daytona from was the brother of a friend, but he has not seen the friend in about ten years... So this effort is likely to be long and drawn out...
Next year will be critical for the Daytona, with the front frame and firewall repairs starting... possibly in late Spring or early Summer. More on that later... first a few pictures.
1) & 2) Pictures taken the day after purchase, i.e. on June 1, 1989
3) An old aerial photo taken in 1989 showing the country home/farm where I bought the Daytona... CAN YOU FIND IT IN THE IMAGE? :scope: :icon_smile_big: :popcrn:
4) Bill of Sale
:coolgleamA: :yesnod: ........... :popcrn:
Awesome Allen...
Look forward in viewing/sharing the project... Maybe soon, you and I can bring both of our XX29s to a show and park them together....... :2thumbs:
There was daytona in TX wrecked back in the day .But car had a 69 Charger front clip on it.Not sure but think it was a orange car originally
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 14, 2011, 07:36:07 AM
Awesome Allen...
Look forward in viewing/sharing the project... Maybe soon, you and I can bring both of our XX29s to a show and park them together....... :2thumbs:
Sounds great Troy... but I don't know about how "soon"... :eek2: :lol:
Attached is a sketch that I made on the day I bought the Daytona... now can some spot the Daytona? :icon_smile_big:
Not the best image, but it's there... :scope:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 14, 2011, 08:03:09 AM
There was daytona in TX wrecked bay in the day .But car had a 69 Charger front clip on it.Not sure but think it was a orange car originally
Not mine, but... it was registered in the DSA/Winged Warriors, so it is a known car... ;)
Here are some of the needed parts that I have gathered for the Daytona... I need to take some pics of the fender and other parts...
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 14, 2011, 08:47:30 AM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 14, 2011, 08:03:09 AM
There was daytona in TX wrecked bay in the day .But car had a 69 Charger front clip on it.Not sure but think it was a orange car originally
Not mine, but... it was registered in the DSA/Winged Warriors, so it is a known car... ;)
Here are some of the needed parts that I have gathered for the Daytona... I need to take some pics of the fender and other parts...
Lovely........... :2thumbs:
:cheers:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on October 14, 2011, 10:50:25 AM
:cheers:
Thanks Rene... I haven't seen you post much lately
I don't know how successful my search will be, but I gotta try... but with it being over 25 years since the parts were separated, the odds of locating them are not too good.
BTW everyone, check out my wanted Ad (buy or trade): http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,85378.msg959990.html#new (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,85378.msg959990.html#new)
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 14, 2011, 11:13:25 AM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on October 14, 2011, 10:50:25 AM
:cheers:
Thanks Rene... I haven't seen you post much lately
I don't know how successful my search will be, but I gotta try... but with it being over 25 years since the parts were separated, the odds of locating them are not too good.
BTW everyone, check out my wanted Ad (buy or trade): http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,85378.msg959990.html#new (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,85378.msg959990.html#new)
Written like a true bartering professional.... It's so good.. I think I'm getting emotional... I'm a little verklempt... I'm so proud of you Allen............
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 14, 2011, 11:46:14 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 14, 2011, 11:13:25 AM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on October 14, 2011, 10:50:25 AM
:cheers:
Thanks Rene... I haven't seen you post much lately
I don't know how successful my search will be, but I gotta try... but with it being over 25 years since the parts were separated, the odds of locating them are not too good.
BTW everyone, check out my wanted Ad (buy or trade): http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,85378.msg959990.html#new (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,85378.msg959990.html#new)
Written like a true bartering professional.... It's so good.. I think I'm getting emotional... I'm a little verklempt...
[/color] I'm so proud of you Allen............
Don't take a chance that its just verklempt... CALL 911!!! :D I had to Google "verklempt"... :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
As for bartering... teach me Obie-Wan Troy... :bow: :bow: :bow:
Looks like nobody wanted to give it a try at locating the Daytona in the 1989 pic...
So here goes...
1) My old sketch from the day I bought the car.
2) The sketch overlaid on the 1989 pic
3) The image with a new "sketch" overlaid.
4) The 1989 pic with the Daytona pointed out... the blue-grey color is the roof, and the back end is in shade... the stripped front end is hard to make out in the pic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDXEgBh0TF0
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 14, 2011, 12:13:16 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 14, 2011, 11:46:14 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 14, 2011, 11:13:25 AM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on October 14, 2011, 10:50:25 AM
:cheers:
Thanks Rene... I haven't seen you post much lately
I don't know how successful my search will be, but I gotta try... but with it being over 25 years since the parts were separated, the odds of locating them are not too good.
BTW everyone, check out my wanted Ad (buy or trade): http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,85378.msg959990.html#new (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,85378.msg959990.html#new)
Written like a true bartering professional.... It's so good.. I think I'm getting emotional... I'm a little verklempt...
[/color] I'm so proud of you Allen............
Don't take a chance that its just verklempt... CALL 911!!! :D I had to Google "verklempt"... :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
As for bartering... teach me Obie-Wan Troy... :bow: :bow: :bow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDXEgBh0TF0
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 14, 2011, 12:31:07 PM
Looks like nobody wanted to give it a try at locating the Daytona in the 1989 pic...
So here goes...
1) My old sketch from the day I bought the car.
2) The sketch overlaid on the 1989 pic
3) The image with a new "sketch" overlaid.
4) The 1989 pic with the Daytona pointed out... the blue-grey color is the roof, and the back end is in shade... the stripped front end is hard to make out in the pic.
as always your doing a great job on the telestrator mr madden :D
Quote from: moparstuart on October 14, 2011, 12:33:59 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 14, 2011, 12:31:07 PM
Looks like nobody wanted to give it a try at locating the Daytona in the 1989 pic...
So here goes...
1) My old sketch from the day I bought the car.
2) The sketch overlaid on the 1989 pic
3) The image with a new "sketch" overlaid.
4) The 1989 pic with the Daytona pointed out... the blue-grey color is the roof, and the back end is in shade... the stripped front end is hard to make out in the pic.
as always your doing a great job on the telestrator mr madden :D
Thanks Stuart... I expected a comment in the "scoops" thread where the twin turbo telestrator was on full boost... :lol:
Started to have a close look at my Daytona today, and am mostly liking what I am finding... only a few new problems found. I have begun documenting the starting condition with photos, and will start posting them tonight and over the next few weeks.
At first glance, there seems to be only minimal rust on the Daytona... mostly pitting. For example, around the trunk opening, the drip trough seems perfect... only mud dauber nests and misc dirt and debris.
I need to unload the misc parts from the trunk. The unrelated parts were placed there during one of the many moves that I had to make as part of my career. I expect the trunk floor will be at least moderately rust pitted. On the other hand the deck lid aft lip looks to be in great condition, as does the area around the rear window.
The structure below the rear window plug looks great... even the paint!
:o so its there !! was looking at that aerial picture for a while !! & could not make anything out , more i looked the more blurry it became !! , but now you have arrowed it :yesnod: :coolgleamA:
more good /intresting Daytona pictures !! :coolgleamA: :popcrn:
Quote from: tan top on October 15, 2011, 04:59:12 AM
more good /intresting Daytona pictures !! :coolgleamA: :popcrn:
More pictures... a look at the bottom side of the Daytona... not bad for a 42 year old car! :cheers:
...more underside pics... :coolgleamA:
...and more...
Pics of the passenger side will have to wait until it is moved farther from the wall... more pics later.
Thats a REAL clean car underneath. Hopefully the quarters can be saved.
Quote from: paironines on October 15, 2011, 10:34:10 AM
Thats a REAL clean car underneath. Hopefully the quarters can be saved.
The quarter panels look super solid... they are keepers!!! :yesnod: :cheers:
Good, that will save some hassle with what you went through with on the 500s quarters.
Here is where I am at on front end sheetmetal... A friend knew of a 1969 Charger that was being "restored" at a local body shop when they discovered that the front sheetmetal was not correct for a 1969... after the car was painted! :eek2: :lol: They replaced the sheetmetal, and this front end sat in a corner getting dusty for several years... it was a good buy at $550, the hood an fenders are in great shape! These 1970 parts will be modded into Daytona parts if original parts cannot be purchased.
Last pic shows an original Daytona driver's side fender that I recently bought from a friend who has been very helpful with Charger & Aero Car parts! Knowing that I needed the fender, he basically offered to give it to me for free... but after a discussion with Doug S., I paid the price he suggested for a friend-to-friend sale... $1500. A great buy now-a-days IMO...
Having a closer look at the Daytona with the help of a friend... Finding mostly good things, but some bad... like the trunk floor... ITS TOAST! Also, found an old Polaroid photo... see arrow on last image.
More on inspection in coming days & weeks...
The photo... it might be a previous owner... :shruggy:
Allen, you need to quite working on that car and just send it my way. :) JK
Looks like its a very solid car Allen. Should not be near the hassle to complete as the 500 was for you.
Quote from: 69_500 on October 16, 2011, 10:25:59 AM
Allen, you need to quite working on that car and just send it my way. :) JK
Looks like its a very solid car Allen. Should not be near the hassle to complete as the 500 was for you.
I would like to do just that Danny... IF you can get someone to trade me a turn-key original Daytona (solid #2 condition or better) for my
4 Speed Charger 500 (finished) and my
4 Speed Superbird project car with most parts to build it (no "soft" parts... seat covers, tires, etc.)... then the R4 Daytona will be available for trade or purchase... with you having the right of first opportunity to get it along with the parts that I have gathered for it...
Once the front frame is repaired, it should be fairly easy restoration... so my interest it trades will be much less.
Daytona looks well solid , from the pictures :drool5::yesnod: awesome lot of pictures !! thanks for sharing
:popcrn:
Out of curiosity, I'd like to see what you are up against in the front end. Have any photos?
Quote from: RallyeMike on October 16, 2011, 02:40:51 PM
Out of curiosity, I'd like to see what you are up against in the front end. Have any photos?
I have not taken any recent photos yet, but nothing has changed since I took the photos below 22 years ago...
To properly repair the damage, the complete front sub-frame will be replaced, i.e. the firewall and everything forward of it and the frame rails going aft from the firewall. All joints used will be factory joints to leave no evidence of repair (like splice plates, etc). A large jig will be fabricated to control all critical interfaces (suspension attachment points, etc). Even external sheetmetal will be test-fitted while the uni-body is still in the jig. Factory tolerances will not only be met, but greatly improved upon. AND, the process will be documented.
A 1969 B-Body donor car will be used to insure the parts are identical, 1968 & 1970 models have some differences. A non-air 1969 B-Body damaged in the rear would be an ideal donor... if any knows of one available, please let me know.
Here are the pics of the front frame section damage:
Allen, Do you have the missing piece to the radiator suport?? Is that serial number there or did they pitch it?
Quote from: Davtona on October 16, 2011, 05:48:44 PM
Allen, Do you have the missing piece to the radiator suport?? Is that serial number there or did they pitch it?
Unless it shows up when I track down the previous owner that wrecked it, it's probably long gone... :shruggy: :P
The only bad rust that I have found so far is the center of the trunk floor... it's totally ate up with rust... easy fix though.
Trunk pics:
More trunk pics...
Last trunk pics...
The structural part Will be fairly easy. The firewall will be more complex than the whole front structure...
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 16, 2011, 06:26:47 PM
The structural part Will be fairly easy. The firewall will be more complex than the whole front structure...
You are right Brian... One of the concepts we are considering is to replace the entire firewall/cowl assembly. The separation points would be (1) at the bottom of the A-Pillars, (2) firewall to front floorboard joint, (3) door hinge post to side rocker beam, and (4) fore-aft subframe beam to transmission cross-member subframe beam.
If you understood all that... wadda ya think Brian?
That would actually make for a cleaner repair imho.
Looks like you have some work ahead of you. Thanks for the photos. Good luck.
Quote from: RallyeMike on October 16, 2011, 11:09:21 PM
Looks like you have some work ahead of you. Thanks for the photos. Good luck.
Luckily for the Daytona (and me), a talented member of this forum is going to tackle this challenge. He can handle "Rocket Science"... he has worked in the Aerospace field for a long time, and now routinely builds high-tech aircraft components as a vendor. We have discussed measuring my NOS Daytona nose cone and valance while they are still "attic fresh" (unused) as well as other Aero Car components "just in case" he decides to get into a side business someday. The measurements would be made with a CMM (Coordinate Measuring Machine). And, to top it off, he is a life long Charger nut... having owned a 1969 Charger R/T many years ago, and soon getting the 1969 Charger R/T project car that I currently have. :coolgleamA:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 16, 2011, 11:54:39 PM
Quote from: RallyeMike on October 16, 2011, 11:09:21 PM
Looks like you have some work ahead of you. Thanks for the photos. Good luck.
Luckily for the Daytona (and me), a talented member of this forum is going to tackle this challenge. He can handle "Rocket Science"... he has worked in the Aerospace field for a long time, and now routinely builds high-tech aircraft components as a vendor. We have discussed measuring my NOS Daytona nose cone and valance while they are still "attic fresh" (unused) as well as other Aero Car components "just in case" he decides to get into a side business someday. The measurements would be made with a CMM (Coordinate Measuring Machine). And, to top it off, he is a life long Charger nut... having owned a 1969 Charger R/T many years ago, and soon getting the 1969 Charger R/T project car that I currently have. :coolgleamA:
Seems like that cut would be most cost effective and quite frankly, maybe better for a good driving car rather than replacing pieces found to be bent at a moment or partial panel cuts. I am curious on some level cars, it seems a big deal to replace "more then necessary" sheet metal. Do you think there is a long term value difference? Still seems like you are taking the right approach for the cars quality in the long run.
If you can't find the stamped radiator core piece, what is the best plan?
1. Leave whatever stamping is on the replacement.
2. Erase any stamping
3. Restamp it to the correct #
I could not handle doing #1 - I think I'd go with #2 if I had to do it. As long as you are documenting the rebuild #3 seems ok to me.
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on October 17, 2011, 08:54:12 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 16, 2011, 11:54:39 PM
Quote from: RallyeMike on October 16, 2011, 11:09:21 PM
Looks like you have some work ahead of you. Thanks for the photos. Good luck.
Luckily for the Daytona (and me), a talented member of this forum is going to tackle this challenge. He can handle "Rocket Science"... he has worked in the Aerospace field for a long time, and now routinely builds high-tech aircraft components as a vendor. We have discussed measuring my NOS Daytona nose cone and valance while they are still "attic fresh" (unused) as well as other Aero Car components "just in case" he decides to get into a side business someday. The measurements would be made with a CMM (Coordinate Measuring Machine). And, to top it off, he is a life long Charger nut... having owned a 1969 Charger R/T many years ago, and soon getting the 1969 Charger R/T project car that I currently have. :coolgleamA:
Seems like that cut would be most cost effective and quite frankly, maybe better for a good driving car rather than replacing pieces found to be bent at a moment or partial panel cuts. I am curious on some level cars, it seems a big deal to replace "more then necessary" sheet metal. Do you think there is a long term value difference? Still seems like you are taking the right approach for the cars quality in the long run.
My "guesstimate" is that this approach will:
1) Save about 80% of the labor hours involved
2) Virtually guarantee a fully factory spec uni-body, in fact exceed tolerance control requirements
3) Eliminate the chance of it becoming a "road crab"... it will drive straight down the road!
4) Make the repair virtually undetectable by using factory joints, yet fully documented with hundreds of photos
Quote from: RallyeMike on October 17, 2011, 10:10:07 AM
If you can't find the stamped radiator core piece, what is the best plan?
1. Leave whatever stamping is on the replacement.
2. Erase any stamping
3. Restamp it to the correct #
I could not handle doing #1 - I think I'd go with #2 if I had to do it. As long as you are documenting the rebuild #3 seems ok to me.
Not #1 or #3... #2 or replace with an unstamped NOS part that I have "in stock" already.
New pics... door jam areas are rust free, and much of the interior should clean up nice...
The steering wheel is bent, and the Tic-Toc Tach & Speedometer lenses as smashed...
I found a penny... purchase price lowered to $1799.99... :lol:
Close-ups of the tach and speedometer... and the rotted carpet.
The headliner...
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 18, 2011, 10:24:02 AM
I found a penny... purchase price lowered to $1799.99... :lol:
Just to help you get your money back,how about I give you 2,000 for the car? :smilielol:
Quote from: UFO on October 18, 2011, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 18, 2011, 10:24:02 AM
I found a penny... purchase price lowered to $1799.99... :lol:
Just to help you get your money back,how about I give you 2,000 for the car? :smilielol:
:scratchchin: ... depends, 2,000 of what?... :shruggy: :D
If you mean $2,000... maybe if you send it in a very purdy delivery envelope... say the glove box in a shiny new 2012 Challenger 392 SRT8... :drool5: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 19, 2011, 05:51:23 AM
Quote from: UFO on October 18, 2011, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 18, 2011, 10:24:02 AM
I found a penny... purchase price lowered to $1799.99... :lol:
Just to help you get your money back,how about I give you 2,000 for the car? :smilielol:
:scratchchin: ... depends, 2,000 of what?... :shruggy: :D
If you mean $2,000... maybe if you send it in a very purdy delivery envelope... say the glove box in a shiny new 2012 Challenger 392 SRT8... :drool5: :icon_smile_big:
and the green with envy model :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
As far as the Structure goes, Id like to see what Doug S. has for input. He is a frame and unibody tech by trade if I dont have my wires crossed... :shruggy:
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 19, 2011, 01:58:32 PM
As far as the Structure goes, Id like to see what Doug S. has for input. He is a frame and unibody tech by trade if I dont have my wires crossed... :shruggy:
I would very much like to know his thoughts/opinions on the repair concept... Doug??? Ya lurking here? :popcrn:
Frame specs are already in hand... Thanks to a generous (unnamed) contributor!
The current concept...
morbid curiosity makes me have to ask, why would you black out the dimensions?
Quote from: held1823 on October 19, 2011, 04:34:02 PM
morbid curiousity makes me have to ask, why would you black out the dimensions?
When I received the data, I did not ask if it was OK to freely distribute it... I will ask the contributor when I next talk to him. I see copies of these being sold on eBay also...
Maybe I should not have posted it at all... :shruggy: Sorry if anyone takes offense... none meant. :P
eBay Auction: http://www.ebay.com/itm/69-Dodge-Coronet-Charger-Super-Bee-NOS-Frame-Dimensions-/320544634610?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item4aa1f2f6f2 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/69-Dodge-Coronet-Charger-Super-Bee-NOS-Frame-Dimensions-/320544634610?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item4aa1f2f6f2)
I think all those dimensions are in the FSM. I had them when I was researching my "tweaked" black 68 Charger. I guess I'll have to look again to see where I put them.
Looks really solid Allen!
Troy
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 19, 2011, 04:44:37 PM
Quote from: held1823 on October 19, 2011, 04:34:02 PM
morbid curiousity makes me have to ask, why would you black out the dimensions?
When I received the data, I did not ask if it was OK to freely distribute it... I will ask the contributor when I next talk to him. I see copies of these being sold on eBay also...
Maybe I should not have posted it at all... :shruggy: Sorry if anyone takes offense... none meant. :P
no, it certainly was not offensive. i assumed that would have been your reasoning. the idea that someone (if other than tru-way) is trying to sell it on ebay is funny, since it is available from several places, including http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/upload2/6556156-Frame69Coronet.jpg
Quote from: held1823 on October 19, 2011, 05:03:34 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 19, 2011, 04:44:37 PM
Quote from: held1823 on October 19, 2011, 04:34:02 PM
morbid curiousity makes me have to ask, why would you black out the dimensions?
When I received the data, I did not ask if it was OK to freely distribute it... I will ask the contributor when I next talk to him. I see copies of these being sold on eBay also...
Maybe I should not have posted it at all... :shruggy: Sorry if anyone takes offense... none meant. :P
no, it certainly was not offensive. i assumed that would have been your reasoning. the idea that someone is trying to sell it on ebay is funny, since it is available from several places, including http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/upload2/6556156-Frame69Coronet.jpg
There it is... I tried to find an uncensored one about a year ago on the Internet, and failed to. :shruggy:
BTW, do you happen to know of a website with 1970's era copies of the Winged Warriors newsletters (or at least the Aero Car owners lists they also published? I am making a final push to locate the original engine and transmission for the Daytona, so I do not want the VIN number posted all over the Internet until I have located the parts or decided that there is little to no chance to do so. At that point I will reveal the sequential number like I did with my Charger 500 after tracking it back to 1971... The reason being is to try to avoid a situation like has happened to two friends, whose engines were bought for "investments", and basically held for ransom. Similar to the little drama a few years ago where Rick E's numbers-matching Charger 500 engine was bought off of craigslist and offered to Rick for a obscene marked-up price...
no idea on the old club newsletters. (the one man who would know will surely see this thread)
im not even clear on the distinction between the DSAC and WW clubs, back then. i had thought dad was a member of DSAC for a year or two, back in the early 80's , but when i recently gave the specifics of dad's car to doug s., he only found mention of it in the old WW club. this was a surprise, as dad remembers talking to monroe s. back then, and even recalled him by name. did the two clubs share info?
i wish you well on finding the engine to yours. i've read the thread about the c500 engine that you refer to, so i understand 100% why the VIN is undisclosed. hopefully it didn't meet the same fate as the engine in dad's car, which had six of the eight rods exit the block, just above the oil pan.
A 1969 B-Body donor car will be used to insure the parts are identical, 1968 & 1970 models have some differences. A non-air 1969 B-Body damaged in the rear would be an ideal donor... if any knows of one available, please let me know.
Here are the pics of the front frame section damage:
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WHILE BACK,MOPAR JOHN POSTED A PIC OF A 69 CORNET 4 DOOR HE WAS PARTING AND HAD CUT IN HALF SHOWING THE FRONT END.MAY BE WORTH A PM TO SEE?????ALL THE BEST ON SAVING YOUR DAYTONA ,IT TOOK A SOLID HIT.LIKE THE YELLOW BIRD AND C 500,TOO. DJ IN OREGON
ALSO TROY OR SOMEONE HAD A ADD ON HERE TRYING TO SELL FRONT CLIP AND FIREWALL... BEEN A FEW MONTHS AND DID NOT WANT TO SHIP LARGE PARTS..........GOOD LUCK DJ
Quote from: held1823 on October 19, 2011, 06:09:45 PM
no idea on the old club newsletters. (the one man who would know will surely see this thread)
im not even clear on the distinction between the DSAC and WW clubs, back then. i had thought dad was a member of DSAC for a year or two, back in the early 80's , but when i recently gave the specifics of dad's car to doug s., he only found mention of it in the old WW club. this was a surprise, as dad remembers talking to monroe s. back then, and even recalled him by name. did the two clubs share info?
i wish you well on finding the engine to yours. i've read the thread about the c500 engine that you refer to, so i understand 100% why the VIN is undisclosed. hopefully it didn't meet the same fate as the engine in dad's car, which had six of the eight rods exit the block, just above the oil pan.
...yeah you are right... but like "Wiki-Leaks", there is a history to be considered.
The engine being driven a foot or so back into the firewall during the collision in 1979 probably did not do it much good too... :eek2: It should be an interesting story... beginning with why the Daytona was on a median traveling at a high rate of speed! :rotz: :brickwall: :P
Quote from: djcarguy on October 19, 2011, 07:32:49 PM
A 1969 B-Body donor car will be used to insure the parts are identical, 1968 & 1970 models have some differences. A non-air 1969 B-Body damaged in the rear would be an ideal donor... if any knows of one available, please let me know.
Here are the pics of the front frame section damage:
WHILE BACK,MOPAR JOHN POSTED A PIC OF A 69 CORNET 4 DOOR HE WAS PARTING AND HAD CUT IN HALF SHOWING THE FRONT END.MAY BE WORTH A PM TO SEE?????ALL THE BEST ON SAVING YOUR DAYTONA ,IT TOOK A SOLID HIT.LIKE THE YELLOW BIRD AND C 500,TOO. DJ IN OREGON
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Quote from: djcarguy on October 19, 2011, 07:46:36 PM
ALSO TROY OR SOMEONE HAD A ADD ON HERE TRYING TO SELL FRONT CLIP AND FIREWALL... BEEN A FEW MONTHS AND DID NOT WANT TO SHIP LARGE PARTS..........GOOD LUCK DJ
Thanks for the leads DJ... I will follow up on them! :2thumbs:
These kinds of list .I have from most of the clubs 75-
few pages back a door jamb sticker showed cooksons transmission city dallas was there any follow up to who had the trans serviced there :Twocents:
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Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 19, 2011, 10:56:15 PM
These kinds of list .I have from most of the clubs 75-
few pages back a door jamb sticker showed cooksons transmission city dallas was there any follow up to who had the trans serviced there :Twocents:
Yes Dave, exactly those lists are what I need. I know it showed up in at least one list, maybe more...
The guy that I bought it from has been unable to remember the last name of who he got it from.
I will call Cookson's tomorrow, but is unlikely they will know after 30+ years...
The car/owner may be mentioned in the WW newsletters too, but I do not know if he or the car were ever mentioned...
Quote from: Troy on October 19, 2011, 05:01:29 PM
I think all those dimensions are in the FSM. I had them when I was researching my "tweaked" black 68 Charger. I guess I'll have to look again to see where I put them.
Looks really solid Allen!
Troy
Thanks Troy... The more I look at the car, it is clear that it was above average for a 10 year old car when it was wrecked in 1979. Unfortunately it spent a great deal of 1984 thru 1989 stored outdoors in a horse pasture. I have been told that a old bath tub was placed near the rear of the Daytona as a water trough, and horses that were being ridden were tied to the wing as a hitching post... :eek2: At least they did not use it like a Hemi `Cuda that a friend told me of... the trunk was used to
salt-down slaughtered hogs... :flame: :nutkick:
WENT BACK IN ADDS,, SORRY caps no yell,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it was admin..troys add with pics bumped to augest 17 2011..drive frame rail sold and is ac cowl with no inner fenders... lots of pics. thinks it 69 coronet?? i have a 75 valient no ac frame,cowl???? haha kidding sure not near same,,good luck. dj
the WW list that dave posted above shows a 376559, which does not appear on the list of 500 cars on a different thread?
Quote from: held1823 on October 20, 2011, 08:15:35 AM
the WW list that dave posted above shows a 376559, which does not appear on the list of 500 cars on a different thread?
We will see what Dave says, but I am guessing that these owner lists were compiled before the 500 +/- car shipping list was available to the clubs. It might be an R/T cloned into an "XX", or one that got omitted by mistake. Might be a clue in the covered up area... :scratchchin: wonder why it was covered? ....Dave? Can you post the entire page, or better yet the entire list? :popcrn:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 19, 2011, 10:56:15 PM
These kinds of list .I have from most of the clubs 75-
few pages back a door jamb sticker showed cooksons transmission city dallas was there any follow up to who had the trans serviced there :Twocents:
I called Cookson's Transmission and talked to the owner. He remembers the car, but only because it was so outrageous... he even remembered the color was still red at the time.
Dave since the car was wrecked in 1979, can you send me the entire WW Daytona list from that year?... Or post the complete list?
Will see what I can dig up
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 20, 2011, 09:42:51 AM
Will see what I can dig up
Thanks Dave...
I just talked to the guy that I bought it from, and he is going to go to the house where the car was stored when he bought it... the wrecked front end and possibly the engine & trans were there when he picked the car up... probably long gone by now!!!
sue has all the news letters on CD ROM if you wanna buy them
Quote from: moparstuart on October 20, 2011, 09:53:12 AM
sue has all the news letters on CD ROM if you wanna buy them
Thanks Stuart... I did not know that, I will buy a full set! :yesnod:
I got a 1975-1994 WW CD beats going thru boxes of newsletters I got every newsletter for DSAC from #1 my friend was 17th member.DSAC doest have newsletters on CD
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Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 20, 2011, 10:04:45 AM
I got a 1975-1994 WW CD beats going thru boxes of newsletters I got every newsletter for DSAC my friend was 17th member.DSAC doest have newsletters on CD
We have a lot of DSAC back issues still available on hard copy.
Quote from: Aero426 on October 20, 2011, 10:15:46 AM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 20, 2011, 10:04:45 AM
I got a 1975-1994 WW CD beats going thru boxes of newsletters I got every newsletter for DSAC my friend was 17th member.DSAC doest have newsletters on CD
We have a lot of DSAC back issues still available on hard copy.
:2thumbs: I bought a full set from you a year or two ago... excellent reading, still got a ways to go. :yesnod:
BTW, any thoughts on my repair concept?... Also, do you have any NOS or used parts for sale, or did everything you advertised a while back sell?
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 20, 2011, 10:04:45 AM
I got a 1975-1994 WW CD beats going thru boxes of newsletters I got every newsletter for DSAC from #1 my friend was 17th member.DSAC doest have newsletters on CD
I found the CD on there webpage, but not certain how to order... called, but got an answering machine. I will call again this evening.
If that car was ever advertised in hemmings I got every issue from #1
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Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 20, 2011, 10:32:08 AM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 20, 2011, 10:04:45 AM
I got a 1975-1994 WW CD beats going thru boxes of newsletters I got every newsletter for DSAC from #1 my friend was 17th member.DSAC doest have newsletters on CD
I found the CD on there webpage, but not certain how to order... called, but got an answering machine. I will call again this evening.
you can email sue also tell he i sent you sue george(hemixx29@q.com)
Become a member http://wwnboa.org/
the WW club takes paypal for membership dues, so perhaps they will also accept paypal for the $20 cd? they might have to send you an invoice through paypal, since there is no direct link from the merchandise page. for money order purchases, the bottom of the page states this:
Send Orders To:
Winged Warriors/N.B.O.A.
International Headquarters
216-12th Street
Boone, IA 50036-2019
i bought a bunch of DSAC newsletters from Doug (through Ebay) a few years ago, but have no idea where I've put them. Doug, is it safe to assume that it was all of the back issues that were available, at that time?
on a side note, i hope santa brings dave a scanner, for Christmas...
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 20, 2011, 10:44:30 AM
If that car was ever advertised in hemmings I got every issue from #1
Thanks Dave! :bow: My Daytona's VIN is on that list! :yesnod:
Quote from: moparstuart on October 20, 2011, 10:54:13 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 20, 2011, 10:32:08 AM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 20, 2011, 10:04:45 AM
I got a 1975-1994 WW CD beats going thru boxes of newsletters I got every newsletter for DSAC from #1 my friend was 17th member.DSAC doest have newsletters on CD
I found the CD on there webpage, but not certain how to order... called, but got an answering machine. I will call again this evening.
you can email sue also tell he i sent you sue george(hemixx29@q.com)
Will do... thanks again Stuart... any other neat reference material I should know about?
The archive CD is pretty good as far as available wing car archive material.It has Nascar Street Classics on it.CD has classifieds ads vin lists members names etc .Good for back tracking owner historys.The shiplist is another good reference piece 1/2 way down the page.I also have 60-s parts# books on CD
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,75320.0.html
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 20, 2011, 11:16:46 AM
The archive CD is pretty good as far as available wing car archive material.It has Nascar Street Classics on it.CD has classifieds ads vin lists members names etc .Good for back tracking owner historys.The shiplist is another good reference piece 1/2 way down the page
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,75320.0.html
I have both the Daytona & Superbird shipping lists... I guess Galen is the only holder of a C500 shipping list? I have traced the Superbird all the way back and the C500 back to 1971...
Good reference material parts llustrations.You can never have enough reference material for 30+ year cars :Twocents:
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http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,26247.0.html
Quote from: held1823 on October 20, 2011, 11:00:15 AM
i bought a bunch of DSAC newsletters from Doug (through Ebay) a few years ago, but have no idea where I've put them. Doug, is it safe to assume that it was all of the back issues that were available, at that time?
I am sure I have more than the small batch of 40 newsletters that I put on Ebay. I whittled down a LARGE pile of back issues a couple years ago, but I still have more left, easily going back into the 80's.
As for the charger 500 list I got the newsletter one no dealers just club cars.
The dealer 500 list has been a topic before whos got one and how complete
.http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,67342.msg756953/topicseen.html#msg756953
Our first computer crashed taking the scanner software with it.No scanner got digital camera with signature time stamp cant get off :shruggy:
I have every DSAC newsletter from#1.If you know a particular month of what you looking for will try to post it
Allen, I did have a (mostly) complete front clip from a 69 Coronet. It was missing the radiator support. I couldn't manage to sell it so I started parting it out. I sold both inner fenders and one frame rail. The upper and lower cowl pieces, firewall, and door hinge mount area are still attached as one piece at this time. It came apart rather easily.
I think you'd be better off with the complete clip so that you can guarantee that it's all straight (ok, as straight as 1969 quality control will allow) and so you only have a few connection points to deal with. There are a LOT of spot welds in some areas so it's best to leave those intact. I think the trickiest area will be the A pillars.
Troy
allen this is a great thread with pictures on a fire wall cowl low on the windshield post cut replacement
great photos http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?t=4469&highlight=junk+yard+dog&page=6
cowl cut front clip replacement is a standard in my salvage industy .
pictures further on in the thread
http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?t=4469&highlight=junk+yard+dog&page=8
Quote from: Troy on October 20, 2011, 12:14:12 PM
I think you'd be better off with the complete clip so that you can guarantee that it's all straight (ok, as straight as 1969 quality control will allow) and so you only have a few connection points to deal with. There are a LOT of spot welds in some areas so it's best to leave those intact. I think the trickiest area will be the A pillars.
Troy
Thanks for the update Troy... Yes, I would like a complete frame front end clip like you suggest. Back last Winter I was still planning a part-by-part repair, and bought a Firewall & Cowl Assy for $300 and expected the shipping to be about $125. Instead it cost: $300 (Firewall) + $30 (pallet) + $455 (freight shipping) = $785... later the shipping company billed another $50 because of a typo they made, but refunded the charge when I :rant: The $455 quote was the lowest one I could find, other low priority quotes ranged as high as $800. After that, my search has been limited to about a day's drive, or about 500 mile radius.
The non-air firewall & cowl assy that I bought:
Quote from: moparstuart on October 20, 2011, 12:41:28 PM
allen this is a great thread with pictures on a fire wall cowl low on the windshield post cut replacement
great photos http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?t=4469&highlight=junk+yard+dog&page=6
cowl cut front clip replacement is a standard in my salvage industy .
pictures further on in the thread
http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?t=4469&highlight=junk+yard+dog&page=8
Thanks for the links Stuart...
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 19, 2011, 01:58:32 PM
As far as the Structure goes, Id like to see what Doug S. has for input. He is a frame and unibody tech by trade if I dont have my wires crossed... :shruggy:
Allen, how much damage is there to the actual firewall? Looks like there are some extra holes in it?
Obviously the aprons are damaged and will be replaced. Once you do your rough pulls and the now sacrificial aprons are removed, how much damage is there to the firewall and frame rails? I assume they can be worked and saved as original components. If the rail has hard kinks bent a certain amount of degrees, we then think about replacing it.
Your plan for a jig and fixtures as we discussed on the phone a while back is a good one. If you were going to replace the entire rails, I would want to go back all the way as you have highlighted in red on the frame diagram. I can only see so much from the pics. But in any event, I would replace only what truly needs replacing. A talented metal man can work wonders. It's only metal, and metal has memory.
Quote from: Troy on October 19, 2011, 05:01:29 PM
I think all those dimensions are in the FSM. I had them when I was researching my "tweaked" black 68 Charger. I guess I'll have to look again to see where I put them.
Looks really solid Allen!
Troy
Indeed there are dimensions in the FSM. The ones in the aftermarket frame book may be a little more user friendly in term of actually using them in a repair.
if the firewall is just sheet metal damage , we did this to mine to make it a a/c fire wall
Quote from: Aero426 on October 20, 2011, 02:24:51 PM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 19, 2011, 01:58:32 PM
As far as the Structure goes, Id like to see what Doug S. has for input. He is a frame and unibody tech by trade if I dont have my wires crossed... :shruggy:
Allen, how much damage is there to the actual firewall? Looks like there are some extra holes in it?
Obviously the aprons are damaged and will be replaced. Once you do your rough pulls and the now sacrificial aprons are removed, how much damage is there to the firewall and frame rails? I assume they can be worked and saved as original components. If the rail has hard kinks bent a certain amount of degrees, we then think about replacing it.
Your plan for a jig and fixtures as we discussed on the phone a while back is a good one. If you were going to replace the entire rails, I would want to go back all the way as you have highlighted in red on the frame diagram. I can only see so much from the pics. But in any event, I would replace only what truly needs replacing. A talented metal man can work wonders. It's only metal, and metal has memory.
Doug, the firewall is toast IMO... the external cowl panel is buckled, but repairable... but the cowl structure may have hidden damage. The firewall is buckled and bent all over, basically the utility pole center-punched the nose and drove the engine back into the firewall. The frame rails are both bowed and buckled/kinked... they need replacing. A few days ago I discovered the front floor pan buckled at the driver's feet.
The firewall pic below is from when I bought the car, and is out of focus. I plan take better pics in the next few days. The extra holes in the firewall are apparently from an aftermarket under-dash air conditioner that must have been installed at one time.
That wrinkle in the floor will come out. It's a matter of reversing direction and sequence. Last damage in is first damage out. The structural panels pretty much need to stay together while the corrective pulls are being made. The old panels are sacrificial so you can get the remaining unibody back into spec. Most shops today are familiar with drive on racks that do a single pull, or maybe a double pull. Multiple pulling will simplfy the process. Think of if you could grab it with multiple hands. The attached photo is an extreme example of multiple pulls!
Quote from: Aero426 on October 21, 2011, 08:32:37 AM
That wrinkle in the floor will come out. It's a matter of reversing direction and sequence. Last damage in is first damage out. The structural panels pretty much need to stay together while the corrective pulls are being made. The old panels are sacrificial so you can get the remaining unibody back into spec. Most shops today are familiar with drive on racks that do a single pull, or maybe a double pull. Multiple pulling will simplfy the process. Think of if you could grab it with multiple hands. The attached photo is an extreme example of multiple pulls!
Doug, if I am understanding you correctly, I need to take the car basically as is (maybe take the seats out) to a shop with a "multi-puller" to get the wrinkle in the floor and possibly other unseen damage (bowing, warpage, etc) out before placing the uni-body in a jig to replace the front frame section & sheetmetal, substructure... correct?
Any facility to recommend in the Dallas - Fort Worth area... or certification standard to look for... approximate cost?
Thanks for your input Doug!!! :cheers:
more good intresting pictures !! :cheers: :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Aero426 on October 21, 2011, 08:32:37 AM
That wrinkle in the floor will come out. It's a matter of reversing direction and sequence. Last damage in is first damage out. The structural panels pretty much need to stay together while the corrective pulls are being made. The old panels are sacrificial so you can get the remaining unibody back into spec. Most shops today are familiar with drive on racks that do a single pull, or maybe a double pull. Multiple pulling will simplfy the process. Think of if you could grab it with multiple hands. The attached photo is an extreme example of multiple pulls!
was going to suggest the same !! get it bolted down on a frame rack & pull in back into alignment or as best as it can be !! before cutting anything off/out !! what are the gaps like at the back edge of the door to front of quarter panel gap !!
:popcrn:
Quote from: tan top on October 21, 2011, 11:29:44 AM
more good intresting pictures !! :cheers: :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Aero426 on October 21, 2011, 08:32:37 AM
That wrinkle in the floor will come out. It's a matter of reversing direction and sequence. Last damage in is first damage out. The structural panels pretty much need to stay together while the corrective pulls are being made. The old panels are sacrificial so you can get the remaining unibody back into spec. Most shops today are familiar with drive on racks that do a single pull, or maybe a double pull. Multiple pulling will simplfy the process. Think of if you could grab it with multiple hands. The attached photo is an extreme example of multiple pulls!
was going to suggest the same !! get it bolted down on a frame rack & pull in back into alignment or as best as it be !! before cutting anything off/out !! what are the gaps like at the back edge of the door to front of quarter panel gap !!
:popcrn:
Gaps are not too bad... I will get better pics later...
:coolgleamA: that rear of the door to quarter gap looks good starts to taper a little towards the bottom , but thats 100% better than mine were & mine had never been in a wreck & had all of its assembly line panels still fitted ! :confused: the gaps on mine were crap !! seen another unrestored charger with the same SPD as mine ! & what do you know gaps were bad/ crap on that too almost a mirror image :yesnod: must of been a bad day at hamtramck body shop :lol:
are they the same ish both sides !! do the doors catch anywhere on opening , at the vent window frame , door latch etc
see green arrow , look a little tight :scratchchin: but hard to tell from that picture !!
was the wind shield in the car when you got it ? if so can you remember if it was set in the gasket correctly or had it been popped out or cracked :scratchchin:
:popcrn:
Quote from: tan top on October 21, 2011, 01:04:40 PM
:coolgleamA: that rear of the door to quarter gap looks good starts to taper a little towards the bottom , but thats 100% better than mine were & mine had never been in a wreck & had all of its assembly line panels still fitted ! :confused: the gaps on mine were crap !! seen another unrestored charger with the same SPD as mine ! & what do you know gaps were bad/ crap on that too almost a mirror image :yesnod: must of been a bad at hamtramck body shop :lol:
are they the same ish both sides !! do the doors catch anywhere on opening , at the vent window frame , door latch etc
see green arrow , look a little tight :scratchchin: but hard to tell from that picture !!
was the wind shield in the car when you got it ? if so can you remember if it was set in the gasket correctly or had it been popped out or cracked :scratchchin:
:popcrn:
The pics on the trailer are from right after I bought the car. The windshield was apparently popped/broken out during the collision... I believe the gaps are similar on the passenger side. Both doors open and close fairly well, but the drivers door takes more effort than it should... seems like latch alignment is off. I will take more pictures soon, but passenger side pics may have to wait until better access...
Well... Where will this tangent off to next?!?... My Daytona was sold new at a smaller dealership, so photos and information on the dealer has been hard to find. Sooooo... earlier today I discover the owner's name is different than I had gotten from a car forum posting about the dealer.... What?!?... Internet information can be incorrect?!? ;) I also discover the newspaper archive's optical character reader apparently cannot read the heavily stylized dealer name in their logo, so I begin searching with the dealer's address... finding almost 100 display Ads on NewspaperArchive.Com... :cheers:
Now for the tangent........ Trying to find more material about the long closed dealership, I do searches with the dealership owner's name. Nothing really related come of the searches, but the searches do show him to still be alive, at the young age of 89 years old. So, do I have the nerve to call someone 89 yo about a business they owned decades ago and ask for photos and other material & info? :shruggy: :scratchchin: :icon_smile_question: :D :yesnod: :smilielol: Why YES, ... I do... and did!
He answered the phone on the second ring and had a clear strong voice... a good sign since I was prepared to quickly end the call if the recipient sounded frail... or bothered by the call. He sounded neither, but seemed a little perplexed about the purpose of the call. We talked for a fairly lengthy period of time, and he believes that he only has a few photos and some other amount of dealership related material in storage. He said that he could have a look and let me know what he could find. I replied that I would appreciate that, but told him that I thought that was too much trouble to put him through. He responded that it would be no real hardship for him... adding that he needed to go through the material anyway to throw most of it away. :o :eek2: :o :P I quickly said NO, please don't throw it away, I'll pay to have it shipped to me. He did not respond to my suggestion, but said to call him back in 3-4 weeks to see what he might have found by then...
I will certainly call him again, but will also mail him a package of material to show him more clearly what I intend to do with the material if he ships it to me. Oh, he did remember the Daytona, and said it took a long time to sell... not what I had thought was the case... ???
More on our conversation(s) in later postings... he has some strong feelings about Chrysler's business practices! :yesnod:
Thats a good starting point.I only found closed up pictures of some TX dealers
The only Ad I have is for 1966 and no later.From Grand Prairie News Texan
:o good dectective work Allen :yesnod: awesome stuff :popcrn:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 23, 2011, 07:50:56 PM
He answered the phone on the second ring and had a clear strong voice... a good sign since I was prepared to quickly end the call if the recipient sounded frail... or bothered by the call. He sounded neither, but seemed a little perplexed about the purpose of the call. We talked for a fairly lengthy period of time, and he believes that he only has a few photos and some other amount of dealership related material in storage. He said that he could have a look and let me know what he could find. I replied that I would appreciate that, but told him that I thought that was too much trouble to put him through. He responded that it would be no real hardship for him... adding that he needed to go through the material anyway to throw most of it away. :o :eek2: :o :P I quickly said NO, please don't throw it away, I'll pay to have it shipped to me. He did not respond to my suggestion, but said to call him back in 3-4 weeks to see what he might have found by then...
In a British accent: "Brilliant"
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 27, 2011, 08:01:21 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 23, 2011, 07:50:56 PM
He answered the phone on the second ring and had a clear strong voice... a good sign since I was prepared to quickly end the call if the recipient sounded frail... or bothered by the call. He sounded neither, but seemed a little perplexed about the purpose of the call. We talked for a fairly lengthy period of time, and he believes that he only has a few photos and some other amount of dealership related material in storage. He said that he could have a look and let me know what he could find. I replied that I would appreciate that, but told him that I thought that was too much trouble to put him through. He responded that it would be no real hardship for him... adding that he needed to go through the material anyway to throw most of it away. :o :eek2: :o :P I quickly said NO, please don't throw it away, I'll pay to have it shipped to me. He did not respond to my suggestion, but said to call him back in 3-4 weeks to see what he might have found by then...
In a British accent: "Brilliant"
I am sending the gentleman a letter with some photos of the Daytona and the dealer info that I have found so far. Also sending photoshopped images showing how the material would be used... like the altered image below. I hope that he decides to provide some material...
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 15, 2011, 01:58:13 PM
Here is where I am at on front end sheetmetal... A friend knew of a 1969 Charger that was being "restored" at a local body shop when they discovered that the front sheetmetal was not correct for a 1969... after the car was painted! :eek2: :lol: They replaced the sheetmetal, and this front end sat in a corner getting dusty for several years... it was a good buy at $550, the hood an fenders are in great shape! These 1970 parts will be modded into Daytona parts if original parts cannot be purchased.
Last pic shows an original Daytona driver's side fender that I recently bought from a friend who has been very helpful with Charger & Aero Car parts! Knowing that I needed the fender, he basically offered to give it to me for free... but after a discussion with Doug S., I paid the price he suggested for a friend-to-friend sale... $1500. A great buy now-a-days IMO...
Took a step closer today to having almost all original Daytona parts for the restoration... bought a package deal of Superbird/Daytona parts, including R&L headlight buckets, R&L headlight doors, extra h/l door with a chunk missing, a single headlight pivot assembly (still need one more), R&L Superbird valance corners, Superbird grille frame, R&L Superbird parking light frames, Superbird latch tray, extra S/B latch tray made from aluminum (homemade or reproduction?), extra h/l bucket end plate, and an assortment non Aero car parts...
Impressive pile of parts Allen. Good score. :2thumbs:
Nice score allen
Quote from: Davtona on April 28, 2012, 08:03:53 PM
Impressive pile of parts Allen. Good score. :2thumbs:
Thanks, but I just discovered that one of the headlight doors appears to be a reproduction part... probably a replacement for the damaged one? :icon_smile_blackeye:
I don't know how I missed this topic until now but I figured I'd post on it. I know you're putting the car back to it's original red but I kinda like the blueish/gray? color. Would look good on another car. Anyways, about the repairs.... being in the body shop business, this is what I would do. I would de-trim pretty much everything on the front-half of the car... dash assembly, glass, and all other interior components that might get in the way... you're gonna take them out anyways. But definitely leave the doors on and leave the rear end under the car... this will make loading and unloading the car from the frame rack a lot easier. As mentioned before, you want want to make all of your pulls before the first piece it cut off. The floor damage will come out easy. That is a good sign of the frame rail being drove upwards. Pull it down and forward and it will come out. The firewall of the other hand will be a little more work to repair. This looks like damage from the engine/trans hitting it. It will take a lot of work but it could be repaired. About 2 months ago I repaired the firewall on a true L89 '68 Camaro RS/SS after it centered a tree. The 396 was shoved back into the firewall but I was able to save it. With the Daytona being a unibody car, and other panels will need replacing (frame rails, inner aprons, radiator support), I would actually find a non-A/C '69 donor b-body shell and put it in at the windshield post and where the frame rails and torsion bar crossmember join. To avoid a bunch of cutting and trimming, I would install the hinge post from the donor car with the rest of the front section. I am going to have to do this same repair on my WB General Lee since they :hack: the front of the car off. Anyways, I'll be watching the resto... can't wait to see it take shape!
Justin
"CornDog"
Quote from: Aero426 on October 20, 2011, 02:24:51 PM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 19, 2011, 01:58:32 PM
As far as the Structure goes, Id like to see what Doug S. has for input. He is a frame and unibody tech by trade if I dont have my wires crossed... :shruggy:
Allen, how much damage is there to the actual firewall? Looks like there are some extra holes in it?
Obviously the aprons are damaged and will be replaced. Once you do your rough pulls and the now sacrificial aprons are removed, how much damage is there to the firewall and frame rails? I assume they can be worked and saved as original components. If the rail has hard kinks bent a certain amount of degrees, we then think about replacing it.
Your plan for a jig and fixtures as we discussed on the phone a while back is a good one. If you were going to replace the entire rails, I would want to go back all the way as you have highlighted in red on the frame diagram. I can only see so much from the pics. But in any event, I would replace only what truly needs replacing. A talented metal man can work wonders. It's only metal, and metal has memory.
Quote from: Aero426 on October 21, 2011, 08:32:37 AM
That wrinkle in the floor will come out. It's a matter of reversing direction and sequence. Last damage in is first damage out. The structural panels pretty much need to stay together while the corrective pulls are being made. The old panels are sacrificial so you can get the remaining unibody back into spec. Most shops today are familiar with drive on racks that do a single pull, or maybe a double pull. Multiple pulling will simplfy the process. Think of if you could grab it with multiple hands. The attached photo is an extreme example of multiple pulls!
Quote from: CornDogsCharger on April 29, 2012, 02:07:50 PM
I don't know how I missed this topic until now but I figured I'd post on it. I know you're putting the car back to it's original red but I kinda like the blueish/gray? color. Would look good on another car. Anyways, about the repairs.... being in the body shop business, this is what I would do. I would de-trim pretty much everything on the front-half of the car... dash assembly, glass, and all other interior components that might get in the way... you're gonna take them out anyways. But definitely leave the doors on and leave the rear end under the car... this will make loading and unloading the car from the frame rack a lot easier. As mentioned before, you want want to make all of your pulls before the first piece it cut off. The floor damage will come out easy. That is a good sign of the frame rail being drove upwards. Pull it down and forward and it will come out. The firewall of the other hand will be a little more work to repair. This looks like damage from the engine/trans hitting it. It will take a lot of work but it could be repaired. About 2 months ago I repaired the firewall on a true L89 '68 Camaro RS/SS after it centered a tree. The 396 was shoved back into the firewall but I was able to save it. With the Daytona being a unibody car, and other panels will need replacing (frame rails, inner aprons, radiator support), I would actually find a non-A/C '69 donor b-body shell and put it in at the windshield post and where the frame rails and torsion bar crossmember join. To avoid a bunch of cutting and trimming, I would install the hinge post from the donor car with the rest of the front section. I am going to have to do this same repair on my WB General Lee since they :hack: the front of the car off. Anyways, I'll be watching the resto... can't wait to see it take shape!
Justin
"CornDog"
I am reconsidering the method that will be used to repair the Daytona... For the last 20+ years the plan has been the replacement of the front sub-frame from the transmission cross-member on forward, as I showed in an earlier post. My goal is an entirely undetectable repair, as well as a within spec structure that does not "crab" going down the road. I absolutely do not want repair doublers on the side of the bent frame after they are pulled back into shape.
Doug, Justin, Brian, other knowledgeable body & frame techs --- Recommendations, comments will be appreciated. Any known high quality frame repair shops with the required multi-pull setups like Doug mentioned in or near Dallas/Fort Worth?...Texas?...neighboring state?...elsewhere in the US?
Also, leads on the remaining original Daytona parts needed would be appreciated... headlight pivot, headlight door, latch tray, passenger side fender, hood......... please email me at: xs29j8@charter.net
Doing it the way Justin is describing will lead to an undetectable repair. There will be no band-aids needed.
Quote from: Aero426 on May 03, 2012, 02:20:14 PM
Doing it the way Justin is describing will lead to an undetectable repair. There will be no band-aids needed.
Other than pulling the frame first and saving the front floorboard, the repair Justin describes seems to replace the entire front sub-frames like I originally planned... or am I misunderstanding his proposal?
QuoteWith the Daytona being a unibody car, and other panels will need replacing (frame rails, inner aprons, radiator support), I would actually find a non-A/C '69 donor b-body shell and put it in at the windshield post and where the frame rails and torsion bar crossmember join. To avoid a bunch of cutting and trimming, I would install the hinge post from the donor car with the rest of the front section.
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85375.0;attach=161476;image)
Yes, and also plan for the torsion bar x-member as part of that. The replacement parts will all remain intact as one assembly.
:2thumbs: :popcrn:
Quote from: Aero426 on May 03, 2012, 03:00:59 PM
Yes, and also plan for the torsion bar x-member as part of that. The replacement parts will all remain intact as one assembly.
In my original plan I left the torsion bar cross-member in place to maintain the structural integrity & alignment of the uni-body & critical locations of members like the rocker beams. I guess the shape could be maintained if enough hard points were supported...
Any recommendations for a frame repair facility with all the required talent and equipment? Close to north Texas would be preferred, but all mainland US locations considered.... Also, any WAG of the Uni-body repair cost, labor & shop materials only... I would provide the donor parts.
The only shop I know that uses fixtures like we discussed is Muscle Car Restorations in Chippewa Falls Wisconsin. They use a Blackhawk dedicated bench and dedicated fixtures they have modified especially to fit a B-body. This is a Cadillac system for heavy unibody repair. It is the method of how the cars were built at the factory. This is also how the factory bodies were modified at Nichels for racing. It's the perfect way to repair your car.
I think MCR would be cost prohibitive to do your whole car, but it may be worth investigating to farm out the unibody repair. Whether they would undertake a partial is also a question. Certainly, there are other technicians who could repair your car without fixtures. Fixtures make the job easier, but are not a substitute for a top technician.
(http://www.musclecarrestorations.com/gallery/d/60278-2/DSCF0753.jpg)
When you blow a car apart like this, the fixtures maintain length, width and height throughout the entire body.
(http://www.musclecarrestorations.com/gallery/d/290672-2/Plymouth_Roadrunner_70_001_0362.JPG)
Scored a Carter AVS 4618SA carb for the Daytona for $90 including shipping... The carb was on eBay with a starting bid of $79... no bids... :cheers:
:drool5: :drool5: nice score and cheap
Quote from: moparstuart on July 03, 2012, 12:49:20 PM
:drool5: :drool5: nice score and cheap
:yesnod: The few that I had previously found for sale on the Internet were $375-$495... :o
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140777359749 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140777359749)
Excellent buy Allen. Send that tag up here and I'll keep it safe for you. :smilielol: :smilielol: I been looking for one of those to safeguard. :D Seriously though Gene and I have had discussions on the correct color tag the 4618SA should have and you are yet another person to confirm he is right as usual. I'm interested in the date code on that tag too.
Quote from: Davtona on July 03, 2012, 04:52:47 PM
Excellent buy Allen. Send that tag up here and I'll keep it safe for you. :smilielol: :smilielol: I been looking for one of those to safeguard. :D Seriously though Gene and I have had discussions on the correct color tag the 4618SA should have and you are yet another person to confirm he is right as usual. I'm interested in the date code on that tag too.
Sure thing Dave.... I hope that I had your correct address when I mailed it yesterday evening... :shruggy: :D
Here is a better picture...
As some of you know, I was diagnosed with Parkinson's in August of 2009 after 3+ years of related symptoms were wrongly diagnosed as something else. The progression of the disease is beginning to have a significant impact on my "out of control" hobby, and I have already sold my Superbird, Hemi `Cuda, and several other neat Mopars. Although I am nowhere near being out of the hobby, I would like to eliminate my debt, or at least the bulk of it...
Enter the Daytona, it seems to be the most valuable car that I own... even in it's current wrecked/unrestored condition! Once you look past the mangled front end frame rails, you begin to notice how close to rustg-free this California / Texas car is. It was wrecked in 1979, and I bought it about 9 years later, and has spent virtually all of the 39 years that I have owned it inside storage... below are recent pictures.
Maybe it is not worth much at all, and then I will keep it!!! :cheers:
So have a look at the pictures in this old thread, and give me a WIW estimate and your reasoning/evidence to back it up...
Thanks,
Allen
Allen, I assume your PM basket has been filled by now.
Very sorry to hear about you selling off cars . I was really hoping to cherry out the black 68 some day.
Quote from: Aero426 on May 10, 2017, 07:41:39 PM
Allen, I assume your PM basket has been filled by now.
No, I just cleared out two dozen old messages... :popcrn:
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on May 10, 2017, 08:04:55 PM
Very sorry to hear about you selling off cars . I was really hoping to cherry out the black 68 some day.
Well, work up a proposal with a timetable, and PM a copy to me...
Hope things turn around for you. :pity:
Allen.
Definitely interested. Should I call or email you?
Whichever you prefer, friends like you are always welcome .... Kind of tired tonight, so tomorrow might work better...
Will give you a ring tomorrow then.
allen, while i only know you through the forum here, i was somewhat aware of the health issues. so sorry to hear of the progression, and that the car may be sold. should you be offering some of the extra daytona front end parts later on, and hope to see them go on a true xx car, i'd love to discuss them with you. available funds may do me in, but i'd love to have a shot at gathering some parts to start putting 409053 back together. drop me a message at your leisure, should you be so inclined. God bless, and take care
The butchered Z brackets were mine.Nos nosecone was Dave patiks
Quote from: nascarxx29 on May 10, 2017, 09:30:11 PM
Nos nosecone was Dave patiks
So Dave, tell me more... How did I come to own it?
I'm looking for a passenger side nose to fender seal if you happen to have one or know somebody that does. Thanks
I know for a fact who I sold my z brackets to that you mention was included in your friends parts package.Must be a coincidence my.02
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,46821.0.html
When I purchased my Daytona in the late 1980s, the entire frontend sheetmetal of the car was missing. I later acquired a very nice set of 1970 Charger fenders & hood to convert, as well as a mint set of fender scoops. I am still missing the entire nose assembly, although I picked up Larry's repro nose brackets for the car. I have been planning to buy a reproduction metal nose & related parts (Z braces, headlight buckets, etc), but have held off in the hope better reproductions would come out. The parts recently on eBay peaked my interest...
A long-time friend offered to sell me some original Daytona parts:
1) A pair (L&R) of Daytona 'Z' Braces (nose cone 'ribs'), in nice condition, but with small access holes cut in flat areas of each (should be easily repaired).
2) A nice used original Daytona nose shell with minimal body filler for earlier damage...
...OR, a NOS Daytona nose shell (He will keep one of the nose cones and sell the other).
WIW: 1) Pair of used Z braces needing minor repair
2) Used nose cone needing minor repair
3) NOS nose cone
As I said, he is a friend and I want to pay a price that reflects current fair market value for these parts...
Sorry, no pictures of the parts at the moment... here is a old photo of my Daytona tho...
Thanks for your help,
Allen
Quote from: nascarxx29 on May 11, 2017, 09:20:01 AM
I know for a fact who I sold my z brackets to that you mention was included in your friends parts package.Must be a coincidence my.02
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,46821.0.html
A long-time friend offered to sell me some original Daytona parts:
1) A pair (L&R) of Daytona 'Z' Braces (nose cone 'ribs'), in nice condition, but with small access holes cut in flat areas of each (should be easily repaired).
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...OR, a NOS Daytona nose shell (He will keep one of the nose cones and sell the other).
Why yes Dave, your selling the "z" brackets to a well known vendor that my friend also traded with was a coincidence, but not Earth shattering. As for the Nose Cone, my friend purchased it directly from an employee of K&K Insurance in the late 1970s.... BTW, you have my permission to post that information in the 318 forums that you frequent...
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on July 03, 2012, 12:43:31 PM
Scored a Carter AVS 4618SA carb for the Daytona for $90 including shipping... The carb was on eBay with a starting bid of $79... no bids... :cheers:
Never had good luck with these Carbs. Hope your luck is better than mine. :Twocents:
Edelbrocks with electric chokes work well
I know of a MAJOR project Daytona that sold recently for a pretty tiddy sum.
I'll pm the details.
Bill another project? I missed out on last one in your area
Quote from: 69_500 on May 11, 2017, 04:28:11 PM
Bill another project? I missed out on last one in your area
nope, same car .
My understanding the new owner is hammering away at it . He wants to take it to Carlisle as a driver THIS summer
At one time there was f6 4 speed daytona hanging on chain's from the rafters.Ky area xx29l9B356504
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on May 10, 2017, 02:07:18 PM
As some of you know, I was diagnosed with Parkinson's in August of 2009 after 3+ years of related symptoms were wrongly diagnosed as something else. The progression of the disease is beginning to have a significant impact on my "out of control" hobby, and I have already sold my Superbird, Hemi `Cuda, and several other neat Mopars. Although I am nowhere near being out of the hobby, I would like to eliminate my debt, or at least the bulk of it...
Enter the Daytona, it seems to be the most valuable car that I own... even in it's current wrecked/unrestored condition! ...
Thanks,
Allen
Hopefully my comments won't rock any boats, and I am one of the very minor contributors to the forum (and occasionally with humor that isn't the greatest mesh with the group), but I will say, in my serious opinion, I would hope that Allen wouldn't sell the Daytona or anything else, at least at the moment. It is obvious from the "Blue Thunder" Charger 500 restoration that turned out spectacular that Allen can do/oversee a high quality restoration, which obviously is a great accomplishment!
Even though doctors have said things, I wouldn't live my life by their words. My granddad was told by a doctor long ago, when he was a young man, that he was in poor health and might not live long, but he outlived that doctor, and even though he smoked he lived to be 83. Allen has seen that doctors can be wrong. The world of medicine is making advances every day, and there is a high emphasis on curing Parkinson's Disease, and it could happen at some point.
And as far as not leaving any debt, as long as the pluses add up to greater than the debt, let those who are still here take care of it, one dollar bill isn't any different than another dollar bill, but the cars are unique and a source of great happiness (or at least they sure would be for me!!!). Many times, having the positive attitude is a huge factor in a person's medical situation. I just think that, at least at the moment, based on what has been said, that it isn't time to sell, it is time to enjoy or keep enjoying, or even start restoring the Daytona.
There may be additional tax factors to think about prior to selling any appreciated assets too, so before making any major financial moves it would be prudent to consult with a competent tax attorney (and no, I don't mean H&R Block, etc., not to cast dispersion on anybody who does a competent job of preparing tax returns, I mean somebody specialized in this aspect of tax law).
Quote from: ksquared on May 11, 2017, 05:33:58 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on May 10, 2017, 02:07:18 PM
As some of you know, I was diagnosed with Parkinson's in August of 2009 after 3+ years of related symptoms were wrongly diagnosed as something else. The progression of the disease is beginning to have a significant impact on my "out of control" hobby, and I have already sold my Superbird, Hemi `Cuda, and several other neat Mopars. Although I am nowhere near being out of the hobby, I would like to eliminate my debt, or at least the bulk of it...
Enter the Daytona, it seems to be the most valuable car that I own... even in it's current wrecked/unrestored condition! ...
Thanks,
Allen
Hopefully my comments won't rock any boats, and I am one of the very minor contributors to the forum (and occasionally with humor that isn't the greatest mesh with the group), but I will say, in my serious opinion, I would hope that Allen wouldn't sell the Daytona or anything else, at least at the moment. It is obvious from the "Blue Thunder" Charger 500 restoration that turned out spectacular that Allen can do/oversee a high quality restoration, which obviously is a great accomplishment!
Even though doctors have said things, I wouldn't live my life by their words. My granddad was told by a doctor long ago, when he was a young man, that he was in poor health and might not live long, but he outlived that doctor, and even though he smoked he lived to be 83. Allen has seen that doctors can be wrong. The world of medicine is making advances every day, and there is a high emphasis on curing Parkinson's Disease, and it could happen at some point.
And as far as not leaving any debt, as long as the pluses add up to greater than the debt, let those who are still here take care of it, one dollar bill isn't any different than another dollar bill, but the cars are unique and a source of great happiness (or at least they sure would be for me!!!). Many times, having the positive attitude is a huge factor in a person's medical situation. I just think that, at least at the moment, based on what has been said, that it isn't time to sell, it is time to enjoy or keep enjoying, or even start restoring the Daytona.
There may be additional tax factors to think about prior to selling any appreciated assets too, so before making any major financial moves it would be prudent to consult with a competent tax attorney (and no, I don't mean H&R Block, etc., not to cast dispersion on anybody who does a competent job of preparing tax returns, I mean somebody specialized in this aspect of tax law).
Well thought out, well written, WELL DONE!
Thank you for your thoughts, and your kind and hopeful outlook on my health situation...
With two of three children still in College (Law School & Pre-Med), a major remodel of my home property, and the sky-rocketing medical costs (both due to health issues, AND the health insurance fiasco) there is a limited amount of "Hobby" funds. For example my monthly Group Rate LMA Aetna PPO Insurance premiums have increased from $620 to $1170 for EACH participant in the last five years, and co-pays, deductibles, etc are way up as well... but I am looking at 10-15 years out, and trying to make the right decisions now. At any rate, my major concern is time... enjoying the hobby while I am still somewhat mobile...
My remaining projects are:
1968 Hemi Charger R/T
1969 Hemi Road Runner
1969 Daytona
1970 Challenger T/A
Also 1970 `Cuda 440-6 (refresh)
Maybe 1968 Polara (High School car, sentimental value)
Maybe 1968 Polara 4DR HT (Survivor car, minimal work)
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on May 11, 2017, 09:03:27 PM
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1968 Hemi Charger R/T
1969 Hemi Road Runner
1969 Daytona
1970 Challenger T/A
Also 1970 `Cuda 440-6 (refresh)
Maybe 1968 Polara (High School car, sentimental value)
Maybe 1968 Polara 4DR HT (Survivor car, minimal work)
Allen, I have known you for 30 years... MAN !! 30 years !!!!??? I have known you in the days you could pick up a bare block by yourself to now, fighting with LIFE-mopar-enjoyment against your Parkingson's... It is a hard battle and one that's nearly impossible to go backwards, but you have continued to live your life, seemingly, the way you want.
For my vote and input, for whatever its worth, I say restore the 3x black '68 Hemi Charger R/T.. Along with the six pack 'Cuda, that black beast is what I most associate you with..
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 13, 2017, 01:07:56 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on May 11, 2017, 09:03:27 PM
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1968 Hemi Charger R/T
1969 Hemi Road Runner
1969 Daytona
1970 Challenger T/A
Also 1970 `Cuda 440-6 (refresh)
Maybe 1968 Polara (High School car, sentimental value)
Maybe 1968 Polara 4DR HT (Survivor car, minimal work)
Allen, I have known you for 30 years... MAN !! 30 years !!!!??? I have known you in the days you could pick up a bare block by yourself to now, fighting with LIFE-mopar-enjoyment against your Parkingson's... It is a hard battle and one that's nearly impossible to go backwards, but you have continued to live your life, seemingly, the way you want.
For my vote and input, for whatever its worth, I say restore the 3x black '68 Hemi Charger R/T.. Along with the six pack 'Cuda, that black beast is what I most associate you with..
I agree. Especially about the Hemi Charger. That car will always be Allen black Hemi Charger.
Some friends and I took Blue Thunder & Ol' Yeller To Texas Motor Speedway, just a few miles from my house....l
Here are a few clips of the raw footage
https://youtu.be/LNd74s57lTM
I sent you a PM a couple days ago , along with my phone number , I think, please give me a call I'm very interested in your car... Thanks
Nice picture. Are those original Recall wheels? If so could you PM me pictures. I am interested in seeing pictures of the original wheels, trim ring, cap, and lugnuts. Thank you, G
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on May 15, 2017, 09:00:18 PM
Nice picture. Are those original Recall wheels? If so could you PM me pictures. I am interested in seeing pictures of the original wheels, trim ring, cap, and lugnuts. Thank you, G
No, these are a set of Reproduction "Warrior" wheels, but a friend may still have an of original ones
I turned up a stash of nos recall lug nuts sometime ago
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/lugnutsnos.jpg)
My one and only W23 recall wheel I had found.Was missing center cap also.It looks like it experienced the lug nuts getting loose and someone still drove on it .Enlarging the one of the 5 mounting hole
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/wheel.jpg)
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Hey Alan! How you doing?
Quote from: Charger-Bodie link=topic=85375.msirg1680573#msg1680573 date=1559179326
Hey Alan! How you doing?.
Hi Brian! ... Well, some days Suck "OUT LOUD" (Quoting a College Roommate), while others like today are pretty good. Even with the Tornado Warnings we had today (and Tornadoes nearby and in the air), and spending about 45 minutes in a hallway, I still had a great day.
How about you my friend, how are things going for you... what is your current project?
Allen
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on May 29, 2019, 08:22:06 PM
Hey Alan! How you doing?
I am deep in to a loooong overdue Inventory, and that includes placing the parts needed by a car with that car (on it, in the trunk, whatever...). One exception will be the NOS Daytona Nose and Valance... I may cushion them and strap them to the roof....
If I still have the Daytona when my sell-down clears sufficient space, I may mount the nose & valance...
Here is my long time friend Tommy cleaning the dust off the hood and fenders, the previous owner of the sheetmetal had them on his 1969 Charger when it was painted because he did not realize the 1969 and 1970 were different.
BTW, Tommy collects Mopars also, including a beautiful 1968 Hemi Charger R/T!
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on May 29, 2019, 11:09:03 PM
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Here is my long time friend Tommy cleaning the dust off the hood and fenders, the previous owner of the sheetmetal had them on his 1969 Charger when it was painted because he did not realize the 1969 and 1970 were different.
BTW, Tommy collects Mopars also, including a beautiful 1968 Hemi Charger R/T!
Man, that's a face I haven't seen in a LONG time....... Good ole' Tommy... I think the last time I saw him was at one of the past Charger Meets.....
To my friends on this forum... I have finally made the decision that my Daytona will be sold. I am past the "gut wrenching" aspect of it, and now it is just a task I need to complete.
The Daytona will be prepared to show & sell over the next 2-3 weeks, and will first be offered for sale on DC Com ...The Ad will start in a day or two , and will be updated as it is cleaned up for the sale...
Allen Vasut
That's unfortunate, but best of luck with the sale
Sorry to hear Alan, I wish I had the money to buy it, that way it would stay in Texas,
so sorry to hear , but i totally understand your situation :'(
Sure sorry to hear it. One of my favorite threads is your old one at http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,33799.0.html
Keep breathin in and out
Bob
Pictures taken yesterday...
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Sorry to hear/ see this Alan.. sometimes you got to do what you got to do ! good luck with the sale !
Good luck Bud I wish I could afford it.
:shruggy: How about "Christopher Philip Houg"... saying he wanted a restoration project to share with his children... :shruggy:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on July 06, 2019, 08:37:28 AM
:shruggy: How about "Christopher Philip Houg"... saying he wanted a restoration project to share with his children... :shruggy:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,59800.0.html
Beware.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on July 06, 2019, 08:37:28 AM
:shruggy: How about "Christopher Philip Houg"... saying he wanted a restoration project to share with his children... :shruggy:
Allen, don't let that POS thief anywhere near you, your cars,parts or property. He is a slick kiniving thief, he will rob you!
Thanks Pete, he was very believable in his "I used to have one. and now I want to restore one with my kids. "
But having been bit about 35 years ago by a snake by the name of "Jerry Calder" from the Dallas area until he had to move out-of-State due to health concerns... he will not be allowed anywhere near my cars, parts, Etc
Thanks again Pete, your cut to the chase warning made me smile... :cheers:
No problem Allen. This guy has made a career out of ripping off Mopar guys like us!
Where is this guy from, in case I run into this character in the future?
He moves around. Just search his name,and you will see how he has scammed many Mopar people. There were a few threads on here about him too.