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Title: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 18, 2008, 09:44:33 PM
http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/hrdp_0710_custom_hot_rod_cars_barn_finds/photo_14.html
It's hard to belive that historically significant muscle still comes out of barns. You'd die just to find a real Six-Barrel Superbird, much less a car that Chrysler gave away to Richard Petty. All the paint and panels are original. Before the car was stripped, the quarter -panels were sketched on CAD to ensure that the lettering can be redone exactly as it was.>



When Steve got the call that there was a 'Bird up in Lansing, Michigan, that had been in a garage since 1976, he thought he probably needed it-but knew for sure when he found out it was a 440+6 car with a Pistol Grip four-speed and the Super Track Pak option. The owner had picked it up for $2,500, driven it for a while, then parked it.

Steve bought the thing after seeing it stuffed in the garage, but when it got home, he wondered why "Daytona Winner" was hand-lettered on both quarters. It clearly wasn't a NASCAR race car. The answer came when Mopar Performance's Dave Hakim recognized it. There was also photographic confirmation from Larry Rathgeb, the lead engineer on the Chrysler winged-car program. This was the Superbird that Chrysler awarded to team owner Richard Petty after Pete Hamilton won the '70 Daytona 500 in the No. 40 Superbird. All signs point to the conclusion that Petty wrapped up the publicity photos with the car, then asked Chrysler to sell the car and hand over the cash. Steve has already stripped it for a full restoration.


Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: WINGR on November 18, 2008, 11:49:23 PM

Iv'e got to have that car Dave, any help? Actually I think that Steve may have already sold it to another guy here in Michigan. Go figure, always a day late or a dollar short. Thanks for the info., look forward to hearing more on this car. :popcrn:

WINGR
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: Ghoste on November 19, 2008, 04:48:49 AM
Makes for some interesting history even if Richard Petty only owned the car for what, 15 minutes?  Long enough I suppose that you would want to restore the car with the lettering restored as well.
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: moparstuart on November 19, 2008, 09:52:55 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on November 19, 2008, 04:48:49 AM
Makes for some interesting history even if Richard Petty only owned the car for what, 15 minutes?  Long enough I suppose that you would want to restore the car with the lettering restored as well.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: pettybird on November 19, 2008, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on November 19, 2008, 04:48:49 AM
Makes for some interesting history even if Richard Petty only owned the car for what, 15 minutes?  Long enough I suppose that you would want to restore the car with the lettering restored as well.

you'd be making MCG happy! 
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 19, 2008, 11:56:24 PM
I located the August 2008 for sale for this Superbird.Clik on the superbird ad for larger version
Slightly Wicked Customs ---------------- (248) 417-6341 Service


http://www.hemmingsdigital.com/hemmings/200808/?pg=638
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: Ghoste on November 20, 2008, 04:52:42 AM
Quote from: pettybird on November 19, 2008, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on November 19, 2008, 04:48:49 AM
Makes for some interesting history even if Richard Petty only owned the car for what, 15 minutes?  Long enough I suppose that you would want to restore the car with the lettering restored as well.

you'd be making MCG happy! 

But would they want the "as painted Day One" lettering or the "slightly faded as found" lettering?  What if I call their office and they're out inspecting other restorations and stuff and they aren't available to make the call for me?  How do the big time collectors make decisions like this?
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: 1RareBird on November 20, 2008, 04:09:26 PM
I was the one who made the deal with Steve for the car.  It will be restored as it was given to Petty.  I need to get off my butt though and do some more research on the car.  I would like to find out if it was ever even sold through a dealer and if so which one?  I would like to talk to Petty too if possible and try to get more details.  I don't have much time right now to get into any details but if you have questions feel free to ask.
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: pettybird on November 21, 2008, 01:14:41 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on November 20, 2008, 04:52:42 AM
Quote from: pettybird on November 19, 2008, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on November 19, 2008, 04:48:49 AM
Makes for some interesting history even if Richard Petty only owned the car for what, 15 minutes?  Long enough I suppose that you would want to restore the car with the lettering restored as well.

you'd be making MCG happy! 

But would they want the "as painted Day One" lettering or the "slightly faded as found" lettering?  What if I call their office and they're out inspecting other restorations and stuff and they aren't available to make the call for me?  How do the big time collectors make decisions like this?


the best thing to do would be to place a warm towel over your head, find a clean corner of the room, lie down in the fetal position and suck your thumb until someone more worthy of the car comes along. 
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: Ghoste on November 21, 2008, 01:21:43 PM
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: 70gtx440dana on November 22, 2008, 11:16:51 AM
Was this car really found in Lansing Michigan? Holy Cow that is right in my back yard. Would like to hear more details of the find and the history.
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: Redbird on November 22, 2008, 11:26:17 AM
I have a picture of Richard Petty accepting keys to a white Superbird at a race track in 1970 where it is custom lettered differently than the car recently shown in Hot Rod. I wonder if they re-lettered the car and passed the keys back and forth a couple of times.
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: Ghoste on November 22, 2008, 11:32:44 AM
Or was he awarded more than one Superbird?
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: moparstuart on November 22, 2008, 01:12:06 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on November 22, 2008, 11:32:44 AM
Or was he awarded more than one Superbird?
that what i was thinking maybe they gave several away ,
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 23, 2008, 05:37:02 PM
What the story on this white superbird.I saw on another wingcar discussion
 






i always wonderred what happened to that white Hemi Superbird (#2 in production)that was given to Bill France from Chrysler.

last time i saw it was at a dealer in Atlanta in the late 80's,and asking price was 125K back then

If you go by the nascar superbird list .The first hemi superbird is 5 cars from the top RM23ROA149857



Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: Magnumcharger on November 23, 2008, 08:09:33 PM
pics
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 23, 2008, 08:40:20 PM
This guy Dave in Fl owns a sigificant white superbird it was Geoff Bodines known as the Utica Beer sponsored superbird
#1 David Pomerleau - Sarasota Fl - 2/17/2008 5:51:00 AM
Hi do you know how to get hold of Pete? Ihave been talking to a guy in my mopar club that clames to know where Petes #40 Plymouth Superbird is sitting in washington State Thanks Im at727 570 9711 www.madsnooker.com 727 570 9711
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Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 23, 2008, 08:44:51 PM
http://wwnboa.org/specfeatdp.htm

   Another significant white superbird

And ? this one
http://www.mountainmopars.com/1970plymouthsuperbird
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: Ghoste on November 23, 2008, 09:50:04 PM
I wonder how Hamilton felt about the King giving away a car that Pete actually won?
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 24, 2008, 11:01:12 AM
Rare Alpine white,With ? Retro accents on door

http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1970_plymouth_superbird__/1600.html
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on July 23, 2012, 02:28:40 PM
Found this vintage picture of the daytona winner white superbird

(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/PHamilton.jpg)
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on September 27, 2012, 09:42:36 AM
Steve bought the thing after seeing it stuffed in the garage, but when it got home, he wondered why "Daytona Winner" was hand-lettered on both quarters. It clearly wasn't a NASCAR race car. The answer came when Mopar Performance's Dave Hakim recognized it. There was also photographic confirmation from Larry Rathgeb, the lead engineer on the Chrysler winged-car program. This was the Superbird that Chrysler awarded to team owner Richard Petty after Pete Hamilton won the '70 Daytona 500 in the No. 40 Superbird. All signs point to the conclusion that Petty wrapped up the publicity photos with the car, then asked Chrysler to sell the car and hand over the cash. Steve has already stripped it for a full restoration.


This significant Superbird Daytona 500 winner ever get put back together

(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/PHamilton.jpg)
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: 1RareBird on September 29, 2012, 03:01:23 PM
Nascarxx29 could you please empty your inbox?
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on September 29, 2012, 03:03:12 PM
I gotta print some out.Cant just delete I will get to it
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: 1RareBird on September 29, 2012, 03:14:53 PM
Thank you!
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on September 29, 2012, 03:15:22 PM
Got it done
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: 1RareBird on September 29, 2012, 03:37:18 PM
Not sure if it went through?
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on September 29, 2012, 03:42:01 PM
I got pm Im looking to see what else I have or can find
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: Ghoste on September 29, 2012, 08:36:10 PM
Thanks for the unearthed in the day pics Dave, forgot about this one.
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on September 29, 2012, 09:08:48 PM
Rarebird gave me a Pm as to that back in the day picture .Hopefully more can be found out
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: odcics2 on October 02, 2012, 03:48:37 PM
There is a Jackson Michigan, but also one in North Carolina.  :shruggy:  Interesting story, for sure!!!
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on October 02, 2012, 11:41:06 PM
I found this and sent it for rarebird to check it out.I also found the blog where I seen the picture and sent that for him to try to get direct contact from orig source.The blog I seen it on mentioned nothing about car being Pete Hamiltons though hes pictured in it .Blog just said heres a superbird blah blah


Another site I found had this mention of a MI prior car dealer employee

He and Carol married in 1970, and he joined the [[[[Summit Township Fire Department]]]], sold cars at Jackson Chrysler Plymouth and worked at some local factories, ...                                                
                                                                      AKA  Summit Township Fire Department Administrative Calls, 2121 Ferguson Rd, [[[[[Jackson, MI]]]]









Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: 1RareBird on October 04, 2012, 08:27:01 AM
Nascarxx29 thanks again for all your help.  I didn't even think to compare the person in my car with anyone else.  Uncanny resemblance.  If ANYONE has contact information on Pete (full name Peter Goodwill Hamilton) it would be greatly appreciated!  As for my car, it's funny that if you look in the picture the rear wing horizontal bar is pointing down.  It's still that way today.
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on October 04, 2012, 09:57:51 AM
I did see a 1973 article mentioned Pete Live in Atlanta.And on another search I see him in another superbird picture a B5 car in the background
http://www.racingthroughtime.com/images/AUG11/8-17-11/8_14_2011%20Slater%20Flemke%20Hamilton.JPG

A car collector Todd Werner has his #40 car he might have been incontact for researching that car :Twocents:
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: Aero426 on October 04, 2012, 10:12:31 AM
Quote from: 1RareBird on October 04, 2012, 08:27:01 AM
I didn't even think to compare the person in my car with anyone else.  Uncanny resemblance. 

Uncanny resemblance to whom?    I assume you are talking about the Jackson Chrysler-Plymouth photo.
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on October 04, 2012, 10:27:18 AM
He might have been looking at the car lettering and wing angle and didnt notice Pete was in the car :Twocents:
I was wondering how Pete H looks nowadays found this from 2003 at 6.09-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7AEuo-3Dx4

(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/PHamilton.jpg)
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: Aero426 on October 04, 2012, 10:36:06 AM
That's not Pete Hamilton.   Not even close.  
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on October 04, 2012, 11:15:32 AM
I photo shopped 2 pictures thought the guy had sideburns guess not

(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/PHamiltonCar.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/PHamilton5.jpg)
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: odcics2 on October 04, 2012, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on October 04, 2012, 10:36:06 AM
That's not Pete Hamilton.   Not even close.  

Looks like Jack Bunson.  Those of you with old, vintage MIS programs will know the guy.  :smilielol:
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: 1RareBird on October 04, 2012, 07:07:58 PM
I was looking at some old pictures of Pete and comparing them to the guy in the drivers seat of the superbird.  A lot of facial features look the same including hairstyle, facial structure, nose, chin etc and they sure seem to match. It's either Pete or a guy that looks like him.  Won't really know until I get a hold of him to find out.
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: moparstuart on October 05, 2012, 10:10:59 AM
for sure they share  strong facial features   :yesnod: :yesnod:
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on October 05, 2012, 11:20:51 AM
Similar big ears apparently on the 2 photos :Twocents:
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: Aero426 on October 05, 2012, 11:27:32 AM
What is the story on the document that the photo is part of? 
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on October 05, 2012, 12:07:29 PM
I recognized the picture that matched the former Atwell car thats now Rarebirds .I found on this blog with that picture and description below

Plymouth Super Bird

Rare car but not a rare sight.  A lot of these cars sat on the dealer lot for a long time.  Big wing, nose cone, and a hot running big block were not exactly what everyone was looking for.  Now they command big money, but like a lot of low production muscle cars, they were not loved much when new.

Also I went through all blog postings old a new didnt see anything else wingcar related but found these and more FM3 70 RR on the showroom floor etc. Superbird on page  2
http://www.google.com/search?q=annualmobiles+blogspot.JPG&hl=en&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=bhlvUIfLEvSx0AHooYDACQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1414&bih=702

(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/hemi-2.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/mcbethdodge.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/orangerr.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/rrcuda.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/roader.jpg)
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on October 06, 2012, 12:19:20 AM
On moparts they seem to think the pictures originated from a high school yearbook :Twocents:
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7409207&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: held1823 on October 06, 2012, 06:32:42 AM
wonder if the paul kaufmann in the first photo could be the one with the r4 daytona?
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: moparstuart on November 15, 2012, 09:58:53 PM
 :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 16, 2012, 12:44:42 AM
Ive seen that Pete Hamilton Superbird picture before .It might have Conn or Mass plates :Twocents:

http://www.catamountstadium.com/Images/Slater_Hamilton_Flemke_NEVinMOdSite.jpg
http://www.catamountstadium.com/eddieflemke.htm
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: Someday70 on November 16, 2012, 09:40:42 AM
Pete Hamilton lives in the Florida Keys
Title: Re: Whats this Superbirds story
Post by: nascarxx29 on August 15, 2013, 09:18:41 AM
Wonder how this restoration coming along