I was going through some old papers the other night and I found a letter I had got from Govier in 91 .In that letter he had a - F8 - Hemi - white gut - white stripe - white vinyl - P.W. - in his registry but no details about it. Did this car come from Creative Ind. with a vinyl ! And is there anyone who has a pic of this car ! Thanks
Maybe customer requested from dealer .But no factory daytonas .I heard off left creative industries with a vinyl top
The B5 blue car from Mass,had a vynal top on it.The car had 4000 original miles on it,but was repainted,and I beleve that the top was dealer installed.
Quote from: chargervert on January 06, 2006, 12:03:36 AM
The B5 blue car from Mass,had a vynal top on it.The car had 4000 original miles on it,but was repainted,and I beleve that the top was dealer installed.
Hey Vert! .........The "Mass wingcar" family owned never titled, never registered, in storage all it life!"dealer demo" :o actual milage 11,000 vinyal top installed by upholstery shop,local........repainted B5/ stripe painted on( original finish was tired from years of being fondled by wingars in the showroom where it sat much of its life, repainted, put in storage), wire wheels, original magnum rims in trunk(4), jacks were gone?,........no rust, no body/paint damage, interior exc. cond........car is pretty much original excluding paint, rims, "dealer vinyal".....studied this car for quite a few years as it sat in storage! ( and no, I won't release/print the cars #, vin, location, you wingars out there think that #''s list is accurate? unless you've seen the cars, know their history, see the real paperwork!, the WWarriors "list" is "general" to say the least?)........the car in question had some unique "features" in its construction from creative Ind.......spoke with the owners, and the former service manager detailing the cars history,...............unfortunitly, due to family matters, the car was sold.........waiting to see when this one becomes public again, and what BS stories might be told! :icon_smile_big:
That B5 car might be JW walters car in WI.The other B5 daytona that was never titled was the Billy Card daytona of of NY
.Then there this car museum in RI.This might be near you ever been .To the Newport Auto Museum In RI. Ive heard they might have a daytona in there XX29L9B390009. that sold brand new in Providence RI. Ever see this car.I was going to ask about that car and car museum on a post .Figured you live near that area.Figure I run it past you .I couldnt pm it to you
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7940.0.html
Daytona?.. Check.
Vynal Top?.. Check.
Chicks on Chargers? Check.
Good work! ;)
Ive seen along time back the untitled Billy Card car from NY it XX29L9B355153.And seen some 440-426 other cars in B5 in DE TN and CO 1of them was a Hemi and a one owner original .But it to was a 355** car also from Co .This ones from Colorado to Its one vin bellow.Its car# 175 on the daytona shipment list.It sold new from Bill Breck Dodge Colorado springs Colorado
Dad claimed of starting up one in 1970 when it was still on the dealer lot brand new in Spokane. Had been moved from Lewiston Idaho because it couldn't sell there. Hemi Orange, tan vinyl top, tan interior, 426 Hemi.
There's another one in Spokane currently, red with a vinyl top, 426 Hemi, but that car came from back east.
studied this car for quite a few years as it sat in storage! ( and no, I won't release/print the cars #, vin, location, you wingars out there think that #''s list is accurate? unless you've seen the cars, know their history, see the real paperwork!, the WWarriors "list" is "general.....spoke with the owners, and the former service manager detailing the cars history,...............
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Dave,...................................................what part did you miss?..........................................................the info your going by is flawed, I've said this for years! the WWarriors list is reference only, not gospel!..............................the car#'s, owners info in your last post is way off base!...........not even close!.................as I've stated, I will not release car/owners personal info!......................but Dave, if you'd like you could post your vin, address, time your at work, which mat the spare key to the garage is under! and leave the keys of your Daytona in the ignition! :icon_smile_big:
Back to the question on post? to the best/current knowledge that I have ,vinyal tops were dealer installed/options, whether the dealership performed the task, thats on a per car basis, that info. is not avaiable? however creative did do several "special order" paints, and yes boys & girls stripe delete daytona's........don't call my bluff!..I've seen the cars/paperwork/vintage photos!.......in fact the last stripe delete car I veiwed,36000 mile original, stored since 72........under going a mild revitialization, the 2nd owner is "dying" to met Galen G....galen told him "stripe delete Tona's where NEVER built!........well all the docs are their along with a pic of the car, on purchase day! at the dealership! the focus of the pic was the buyers 2 young daughters, alas standing at the rear qrt/ wing shot......look ma! (Galen) no stripe, wing same color as car! :icon_smile_blackeye:.....................Tim Wellborn has the "competition Orange" Special order paint daytona (1of 1 for that color)
Mike G./ DAYCLONA Enterprises
Ive seen alot cars with near close vins and colors run alike.From V2 Orange and R4 Red and other colored cars that were twin builds of each other . Of the many B5 cars Ive seen they sometimes tend to run in close number sequences .And seen cars starting with a certain like beginining vin number and whatever its ending number is for example 152 153 and so one etc .Turn out to be B5 also .By a coincedence? .Or the factory painted groups of cars in consistant number vins at the same time.Has been what Ive experienced.
And somehow your offended by my research :yesnod:
Quote from: dayclona on January 06, 2006, 08:48:41 PM
studied this car for quite a few years as it sat in storage! ( and no, I won't release/print the cars #, vin, location, you wingars out there think that #''s list is accurate? unless you've seen the cars, know their history, see the real paperwork!, the WWarriors "list" is "general.....spoke with the owners, and the former service manager detailing the cars history,...............
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Dave,...................................................what part did you miss?..........................................................the info your going by is flawed, I've said this for years! the WWarriors list is reference only, not gospel!..............................the car#'s, owners info in your last post is way off base!...........not even close!.................as I've stated, I will not release car/owners personal info!......................but Dave, if you'd like you could post your vin, address, time your at work, which mat the spare key to the garage is under! and leave the keys of your Daytona in the ignition! :icon_smile_big:
Here is a real Daytona with an added vinyl top... Picture was taken in the mid 1980s when the car belonged to Del F. from Arlington, Texas. The next picture was taken a few years later when the car had been repainted and the vinyl top removed...
XS
Quote from: nascarxx29 on January 06, 2006, 07:46:36 PM
.This ones from Colorado to Its one vin bellow.Its car# 175 on the daytona shipment list.It sold new from Bill Breck Dodge Colorado springs Colorado
Dave,..........................some info, car # bla, bla ,bla,..........sold new from Joe blow motors, anytown, USA, on the "list" means nothing! untill you see the dealer invoice/sale made!......that's the point of selling origin,.......some dealers rejected daytonas before taking delivery,..........that WWarriors list dose'nt reflect that!......other dealers transfered sales before/after delivery
Mike G./ DAYCLONA
Hi XS29J .I remember that car of his .Hes the guy who sells vintage magazines.Do you recall J Phillips orange hemi car from MO.It looked something like Dels car
Mike, your points about the "list" are valid and would go a long way to explaining some of the number questions we are having on the 500 threads as well.
Quote from: wingcars6970 on January 06, 2006, 09:58:50 PM
Hi XS29J .I remember that car of his .Hes the guy who sells vintage magazines.Do you recall J Phillips orange hemi car from MO.It looked something like Dels car
I have seen pictures of Phillip's car, but never saw the car in person... Yep, Del still sells the magazines, but I don't see him too much anymore.
XS
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 06, 2006, 09:49:40 PM
Here is a real Daytona with an added vinyl top... Picture was taken in the mid 1980s when the car belonged to Del F. from Arlington, Texas. The next picture was taken a few years later when the car had been repainted and the vinyl top removed...
XS
Nice pics, luckily they put the A-pillar stainless, back on!.............most dealers/shops didn't!..................one "rumor" that I hear alot concerning Tona's with vinyl is" when the dealer placed an order into the central office(corporate) for vinyl roof mat'l, mouldings, etc, apon receiving the FOB shippment, and/or installation the dealer was to ship the A-pillars back to corporate,...............I've never seen any docs to back this up! .........only hearsay!
Mike G./DAYCLONA Enterprises :icon_smile_cool:
Quote from: dayclona on January 06, 2006, 10:05:13 PM
Nice pics, luckily they put the A-pillar stainless, back on!.............most dealers/shops didn't!..................one "rumor" that I hear alot concerning Tona's with vinyl is" when the dealer placed an order into the central office(corporate) for vinyl roof mat'l, mouldings, etc, apon receiving the FOB shippment, and/or installation the dealer was to ship the A-pillars back to corporate,...............I've never seen any docs to back this up! .........only hearsay!
Mike G./DAYCLONA Enterprises :icon_smile_cool:
I had not heard that story... I am fairly certain that Del's car was done by a reqular shop instead of a dealer. If I recall correctly, it even had a little "padding" under the vinyl top material. :P
XS
Im sure cars got dealer traded .When I was a kid our local plymouth dealer or dodge dealer .Would have daytona and later superbirds.At different dealers all over our town.And I have tracked cars that sold new in our area by the list where it said it sold from.And later I would find it 3000 miles away.And guy had it since 70.So either these cars got traded among themselves.Or miltary personal switch bases were exporting cars from our area .To parts across the country.And then after a trip to the library and searching the old car ads on microfilm.I would go to a show and see a superbird with its paper work that also stated its #stock number.And in turn I would hand the guy a ad for his car when it was new for sale when on the car dealership lot brand new that matched the stock # of that car.Which makes in my opinon some cool paperwork.And I given daytona owners unaware of this daytona shipment list. Some more documentation.Ive got many vintage original microfilmed muscle car ads
Jeffs old daytona is with a friend of mine its with his other hemi daytona.Last timeI heard. Jeffs car was once on the cover of popular cars in 85 .
Quote from: Ghoste on January 06, 2006, 10:01:58 PM
Mike, your points about the "list" are valid and would go a long way to explaining some of the number questions we are having on the 500 threads as well.
Hey Ghoste!
I've found that most dealers had "problems" selling the 500's,.........nothing in comparison in trying to sell a daytona!..............this is why many cars didn't actually sell from the original/origin invoice records that creative/ factory held............dealers were fighting to rid themseves of these cars, some dealers were fighting to obtain these cars!......................my family sold AMC's (don't tell anybody!) in the 60's-70's into the mid 80's......I seen alot of games that dealerships played!..............cars and paperwork voodoo!
Mike G. DAYCLONA
man now how come some dayclona i mean daytona repro company *hint*hint* lol make some trim so you could put a vinyl top on your daytona replica because some people i.e. me would love to have a triple black 69 daytona 440-4-speed stripe delete car :icon_smile_big:-MATT (or how hard would it be just to fab up some trim for myself?)
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If vin numbers on the web bother some people .Has anyone looked at Barett Jackson and auction results
Not sure about the vinyl, but shouldn't have PW. According to the Winged Warriors, options like air and PW and such weren't available on Wing cars.
Quote from: nakita7 on January 06, 2006, 11:08:50 PM
Not sure about the vinyl, but shouldn't have PW. According to the Winged Warriors, options like air and PW and such weren't available on Wing cars.
My old daytona 423239 came coded ( P31 ) with PW. My guess it was a ordered car and not a sales bank car.
We can look up that vin .And see if we have the selling dealer info for you.If you interested .And you can collaberate the daytona shipment list info Here its 610 BX926320 dealer# 22-C4631.Sold InPoint Trembles Quebec from Vincent Forgues motors shipped 8-27-69 #205 car on list of the #501 listed
Quote from: nascarxx29 on January 06, 2006, 11:44:31 PM
We can look up that vin .And see if we have the selling dealer info for you.If you interested .And you can collaberate the daytona shipment list info Here its 610 BX926320 dealer# 22-C4631.Sold InPoint Trembles Quebec from Vincent Forgues motors shipped 8-27-69 #205 car on list of the #501 listed
610 BX926320 That was my old car.I never knew any of the history on the car when I had it. Thanks a lot nascarxx29. PS. Do you have 414641 on file ?
I have to see its 610 BX 926315 sold from Trans Island Motors Montreal Qubec car # 165 dealer# C4790 shipped 8-26-69
Quote from: nakita7 on January 06, 2006, 11:08:50 PM
Not sure about the vinyl, but shouldn't have PW. According to the Winged Warriors, options like air and PW and such weren't available on Wing cars.
Don't forget the dealer installed 6paks (3)! they were'nt available either or SE options.....................If you believe everything that winged wonders tells you!...................you'll end up with lobe damage..........here's your sign...W...............winger! :slap: don't become one, its a bad habit too break! :icon_smile_big:
I havent seen there paper work .But i seen around 2 cars claiming dealer installed 6 packs .One was James Outlers car .That went to Gary Forbus that car is Y2 yellow .The other car is the first US daytona its R4 red .That Larry Bell sold to Browney Mascow of MI
This might be near you ever been .To the Newport Auto Museum In RI. Ive heard they might have a daytona in there XX29L9B390009. that sold brand new in Providence RI. Ever see this car.I was going to ask about that car and car museum on a post .Figured you live near that area.Figure I run it past you .I couldnt pm it to you Ive only had that 1920 serial number book that goes up to #1920 since 77 78.I knew where some cars were from back in my days .Do you recall the 70 white red interior PW cuda 426 conv that was in north NJ .I knew of since the 80-s. and didnt bother with with it I was then and still into the wingcarsThat car went to MA for $465K when the story broke in MCG
Quote from: nascarxx29 on January 07, 2006, 01:26:40 AM
I havent seen there paper work .But i seen around 2 cars claiming dealer installed 6 packs .One was James Outlers car .That went to Gary Forbus that car is Y2 yellow .The other car is the first US daytona its R4 red .That Larry Bell sold to Browney Mascow of MI
This might be near you ever been .To the Newport Auto Museum In RI. Ive heard they might have a daytona in there XX29L9B390009. that sold brand new in Providence RI. Ever see this car.I was going to ask about that car and car museum on a post .Figured you live near that area.Figure I run it past you .I couldnt pm it to you Ive only had that 1920 serial number book that goes up to #1920 since 77 78.I knew where some cars were from back in my days .Do you recall the 70 white red interior PW cuda 426 conv that was in north NJ .I knew of since the 80-s. and didnt bother with with it I was then and still into the wingcarsThat car went to MA for $465K when the story broke in MCG
Dave,........I have record of 3, sixpak Dealer installs, seen gary's car, nice!............on superbirds have 4 with dealer installed air conditioning, one car local in Conn......as far as daytona # 390009,I believe it's car # 495,(I'm recalling from memory, might be off a number or two) It was never delivered to Elwood Dodge RT 44, East Providence 02903, the dealer reasigned it sale to another out of state!....I know this as fact as I have researched this car, the dealership, and talked to the original owner,............................however I will not release it current location! sorry!...............................as far as the 70 Hemi droptop, its owner/buyer is a local vendor at the area swapmeets in the Mass, Conn, R.I. area, allways advertising for hemi convs, E-bodies,etc!........hope this helps dave!
Any and all wingcar related info is always appreciatedIve been at since mid 70-s it was car #495The third dealer installed 6 pack.I thought of was the 1st shiipped to canada daytona.Of the Doctor
.I got this lead for newoprt auto museum from a 79 newsletter.I only found this about that museum Contemporary Newport has a variety of museum attractions, including the International Tennis Hall of Fame, the ( Newport Auto Museum)
I looked at a Superbird with a dealer installed A/C unit just last year. Car was B5 blue, with black interior, clock delete, AT on the column. Pretty basic bird other than the fact it was a survivor with low mileage, and dealer installed A/C.
Was that one of the many superbirds in that Bedford In. Car museum