I see that it is in the latest issue of MCG and they are touting it as being the real deal. I thought the general opinion was that the top was added later? :icon_smile_question:
Hey - If it is in MCG it must be true!
Which is why I came here to verify. :icon_smile_wink: I love the mag and they have uncovered some great things but they have jumped the gun on an awful lot of cars too.
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good times :cheers:
Quote from: THE CHARGER PUNK on December 18, 2010, 12:36:36 AM
good times :cheers:
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Quote from: moparstuart on December 18, 2010, 07:26:05 AM
Quote from: THE CHARGER PUNK on December 18, 2010, 12:36:36 AM
good times :cheers:
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for new members !! :yesnod:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,23030.50.html
Quote from: tan top on December 18, 2010, 07:40:44 AM
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Quote from: THE CHARGER PUNK on December 18, 2010, 12:36:36 AM
good times :cheers:
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for new members !! :yesnod:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,23030.50.html
I like the train picture better :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: moparstuart on December 18, 2010, 07:43:12 AM
Quote from: tan top on December 18, 2010, 07:40:44 AM
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Quote from: THE CHARGER PUNK on December 18, 2010, 12:36:36 AM
good times :cheers:
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for new members !! :yesnod:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,23030.50.html
I like the train picture better :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
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http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,46567.0.html
So does anyone on here actually know the guy who owns the car now?
Not sure who owns the XX29L9B414666 .Same car was on this post for sale in San Fransciso.Whats the MCG version
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,23030.msg497517/topicseen.html#msg497517
Re: 1969 Daytona SE
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If its confirmed as the 414666 car that was this car listed in San Francisco for sale I have 2 owners to go with that car .The pictures shown show similar fender primer.Have to back and look at the roof
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,38965.0.html
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C16 C55 G33 J25 L31 M21
A01 A11 A36 A47 B41 B51
F8 F8 CRX X9 610 926341
E86 D32 XX29 L9B 414666
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Quote from: Ghoste on December 17, 2010, 09:06:05 PM
I see that it is in the latest issue of MCG and they are touting it as being the real deal. I thought the general opinion was that the top was added later? :icon_smile_question:
The top was added a little later after the car was delivered.
I had 665 and knew the then owner of 666. I had the wing, rear window,decklid, latch tray and a bunch of other parts that were stolen (decades ago) off 666. I got them from the owner of 665 when I bought it. 666 is here in Ontario - The owner is a friend of my restorer up here but I have never spoken to him directly. I know he was agonizing over putting the top on or not. I think it is neat it was a "Day 2" thing but if MCG is saying it was put on by Chrysler or Creative I would disagree.
MCG is implying that it was done at some sort of "prep" center after it left Creative but before it arrived at the dealer. They are also saying that the decision has been made to restore it with the top. That worries me a little only because efforts seem underway to legitimize as being original so it shouldn't be too long before it's fully touted as such. They reprot the current owner by name and province so I was kind of hoping you knew him or of it.
I agree it would have to be customized not every factory or Creative
I got MCG next feature story :icon_smile_big: My daytona had factory deleted seat buttons from Chrysler & Creative on the rear seat .And just on one side top right how many other daytonas got that not a hole or thread 1 of 1 so far
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/DCP_0069.jpg)
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 18, 2010, 11:48:24 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on December 17, 2010, 09:06:05 PM
I see that it is in the latest issue of MCG and they are touting it as being the real deal. I thought the general opinion was that the top was added later? :icon_smile_question:
The top was added a little later after the car was delivered.
I had 665 and knew the then owner of 666. I had the wing, rear window,decklid, latch tray and a bunch of other parts that were stolen (decades ago) off 666. I got them from the owner of 665 when I bought it. 666 is here in Ontario - The owner is a friend of my restorer up here but I have never spoken to him directly. I know he was agonizing over putting the top on or not. I think it is neat it was a "Day 2" thing but if MCG is saying it was put on by Chrysler or Creative I would disagree.
The # of the beast..666......Is this the F8 car that is being restored with the fiberglass nose in Ontario?
Yes. Anyone want to start a pool on how long before it turns up at B-J described as the only real Mod Top Daytona ever built?
I remeber seeing this car in an old episode of 'In Search Of' with Leonard Nimoy.
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 18, 2010, 11:35:20 AM
Same car was on this post for sale in San Fransciso.
Well, that explains the top. :lol:
If I remember, the guy that had the Daytona was actually in Canada..but he listed it in SF to see what the market would bring...he was-is a friend of mine....have not talked to him in a long time...I don't think I even have a way to contact him....
We met when we took our Daytona up to the Mopar meet at the College up there back in the 90's
For some reason, Steve was his name I think....he sent me pics of said car that was sitting in his place
I know the owner of the Mod Top Daytona :nana:
Here's a picture of the original top with 4 samples of NOS material.
I don't have the latest MCG yet but the short version is that the company that made vinyl tops for Chrysler back in the day was located it Canada. Chrysler had them make their "Mod Tops". They have various samples from which Chrysler picked and choose from. The samples you see here are part of a 4 separate rolls sent to Chrysler. The guy who headed up the project kept a section of each back. As you can see they match up perfectly with part of the top removed from the Daytona. Seems that Chrysler did in fact have some involvement with the top going on to the car because they had the only complete roll.
It never made the cut for a regular factory option.
The car is being restored with a steel nosecone.
Dave
Original dealer and closeup of the mod top
I heard about that Dave.
The mod top was available on a few 69's well before the late 69 Daytona came out so the material was in full use and could be ordered from a dealership -no?
I know there was no mod-top option for the Chargers - but vinyl roof add-ons were very popular back then (and vinyl side moldings) and a good trim person could make one for any car.....that and the material being available....well, I stand by my original post. That and the fact that a previous owner told me the original owner wanted it and had told the dealer to put it on....which is something one can take with a grain of salt but 20 years ago he volunteered that info with no reason to make it up.
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C16 C55 G33 J25 L31 M21
A01 A11 A36 A47 B41 B51
F8 F8 CRX X9 610 926341
E86 D32 XX29 L9B 414666
My old car... Both sold in BC
intresting new pictures & up dates :yesnod: thanks for posting :popcrn:
http://www.mooresmopars.com/modregistry.html
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 19, 2010, 09:49:20 AM
http://www.mooresmopars.com/modregistry.html
Dave - I don't have my list handy - what dealerships were 665 and 666 shipped to?
Thanks
Not Dave, but I do have the list handy.
665-Columbia Dodge,New Westminister
666-Pumley Auto,Vancouver
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Compelling evidence. I'd say at this point it's still circumstantial at best, but compelling. :scratchchin:
The complete daytona shiplist on this link about halfway down into the EV2 daytona paint post
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,75320.0.html
Quote from: UFO on December 19, 2010, 10:08:17 AM
Not Dave, but I do have the list handy.
665-Columbia Dodge,New Westminister
666-Pumley Auto,Vancouver
Thank you!
414665 127 can Columbia Dodge New Westminster, BC 8/24/1969
414666 208 can Pumley Auto Van Couver, BC 8/27/1969
665 was the 127th and 666 was the 208th shipped 3 days apart......nothing to do with anything than my curiosity.
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 19, 2010, 12:18:21 PM
The complete daytona shiplist on this link about halfway down into the EV2 daytona paint post
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,75320.0.html
Thank you too Dave
Quote from: Ghoste on December 19, 2010, 11:25:49 AM
Compelling evidence. I'd say at this point it's still circumstantial at best, but compelling. :scratchchin:
You know - deep down I want to believe in this mod top thing.....funny how we know stuff from the 12th century but something 40 years ago is down the crapper.
I just wish there was a shred of factory paper or a pic of the thing on the hauler.
On a side question - does that car have a broadcast sheet? Just wondering on the SE thing....me thinks there were more than the two listed by the Guru. 665, Doc, 666(?) and maybe one in Quebec.
On a side question - does that car have a broadcast sheet? [/quote]
Looks like it does.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,51601.0.html
There is a broadcast sheet for the Mod Top car. There are no special indication that it was to get a Mod Top.
In the small world catagory all this came to light as one of the local Mopar gearheads mentioned that his Dad worked for the Vinyl Top manufacturer. The owner of the Daytona ears perked up and he had him ask his Dad if he remembered anything and not only did he but he kept the samples. What are the chances of that? There is a manufacture stamp on some of the samples and the original I believe.
I think the complete story is suppose to be printed in an upcoming MCG and I surely don't want to steal their thunder. I will have a pretty complete story on the car on my Maple Leaf Mopars site sometime in the new year.
Dave
Quote from: UFO on December 19, 2010, 03:17:26 PM
On a side question - does that car have a broadcast sheet?
Looks like it does.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,51601.0.html
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good find UFO , :yesnod: been looking for them pictures from the forsale add on ebay :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on December 18, 2010, 10:44:13 PM
Here's a picture of the original top with 4 samples of NOS material.
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As you can see they match up perfectly with part of the top removed from the Daytona.
Which one of those samples was taken from Steve's Daytona?
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Quote from: hemigeno on December 20, 2010, 03:07:39 PM
Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on December 18, 2010, 10:44:13 PM
Here's a picture of the original top with 4 samples of NOS material.
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As you can see they match up perfectly with part of the top removed from the Daytona.
Which one of those samples was taken from Steve's Daytona?
:shruggy:
The large faded section in the middle is off the car....who is Steve?
Dave
Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on December 20, 2010, 11:19:22 PM
who is Steve?
Steve H. from Vancouver, B.C., who purchased 414666 in 1983. We are talking about the same car, right?
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 19, 2010, 03:09:36 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on December 19, 2010, 11:25:49 AM
Compelling evidence. I'd say at this point it's still circumstantial at best, but compelling. :scratchchin:
You know - deep down I want to believe in this mod top thing.....funny how we know stuff from the 12th century but something 40 years ago is down the crapper.
I just wish there was a shred of factory paper or a pic of the thing on the hauler.
On a side question - does that car have a broadcast sheet? Just wondering on the SE thing....me thinks there were more than the two listed by the Guru. 665, Doc, 666(?) and maybe one in Quebec.
There is the yellow SE in Montreal.Originally orange I think..
Quote from: 65post on December 21, 2010, 02:02:29 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 19, 2010, 03:09:36 PM
On a side question - does that car have a broadcast sheet? Just wondering on the SE thing....me thinks there were more than the two listed by the Guru. 665, Doc, 666(?) and maybe one in Quebec.
There is the yellow SE in Montreal.Originally orange I think..
So far I have 4 Canuck SE's listed... 414619, 414644, 414665 and the ubiquitous 414666. There may be other as-yet undiscovered SE's sent north of the border.
Thanks - Well at least I can say I owned half of them... :lol:
The Mod top would never be on the car again if it were mine. I think they are nasty ugly. Unless it was installed sometime before it got to the dealer I would leave it off the car. The white top one on the other hand I can handle. The mod top not so much.
I am not a mod top fan but there are enough F8 Daytonas out there that if this one gets flowered ( original or not ) it is not going to be the end of the world..Just my 2 cents
Quote from: 65post on December 21, 2010, 02:02:29 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 19, 2010, 03:09:36 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on December 19, 2010, 11:25:49 AM
Compelling evidence. I'd say at this point it's still circumstantial at best, but compelling. :scratchchin:
You know - deep down I want to believe in this mod top thing.....funny how we know stuff from the 12th century but something 40 years ago is down the crapper.
I just wish there was a shred of factory paper or a pic of the thing on the hauler.
On a side question - does that car have a broadcast sheet? Just wondering on the SE thing....me thinks there were more than the two listed by the Guru. 665, Doc, 666(?) and maybe one in Quebec.
There is the yellow SE in Montreal.Originally orange I think..
That's 414644, as for the color, I did not get to see the fender tag to confirm...
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on December 21, 2010, 07:58:50 PM
I think they are nasty ugly.
And that's putting it mildly! :lol:
They might be okay for something like a Dart swinger or 69 Barracuda but they sure don't belong on a car like a Charger and especially a Daytona. I think the only way I would ever consider putting it back on is if there were some actual proof that the car came that way from Chrysler. And I mean something irrefutable not word of mouth evidence. That claims put forth so far in this make you stop for a moment to think but I still don't believe there is anything but circumstantial at best.
so is the original owner or family still around?? maybe someone has pics??
maybe its just me but even in the early 80's when i got my first raggedy/rusty car i took pics of the damn thing, why is it that so many people never have a pic of the family car from the 50-70's???
Quote from: mauve66 on December 22, 2010, 09:06:44 AM
why is it that so many people never have a pic of the family car from the 50-70's???
I ask myself that every day. Between my parents, both sets of grandparents, nine aunts and uncles, and countless cousins, not one decent vintage photo of the Daytona is to be found.
As for the provenance of this mod top, my grandparents bought a minivan that had dealer applied side stripes and "caravan ss" callouts on the door. It would be as genuine and unique as this. What's next; a one of a kind scotch guard and paint sealed wing car? Dealer installed items are just that, and carry less factory originality than would an assembly line working sticking his chewed up gum inside of a frame rail while bolting on a rear bumper.
Everyone was using the Polaroid Land cameras and the pics usually lasted less than 10 years before they were completely faded out. The only pics that I still have of my cars that I owned in the 70's were taken with a cheap 35 mm.
Hmmm??
Wonder how close Van Dyke Dodge was to Creative ?
intresting Find UFO :yesnod: :scratchchin:
thanks for posting :cheers:
Quote from: Ghoste on December 18, 2010, 11:23:09 AM
So does anyone on here actually know the guy who owns the car now?
That would be Todd Savage, Todd had recently sold his F6/white 440 Daytona to a buyer in Alabama,(who's recently joined this board) and purchased the Modtop,....which was surprising because the then current owner told me the car would NEVER be offered for sale,.....but we all know how a stack of greenbacks can change our mind :scratchchin:
But knowing Todd, I'm sure he will restore the car correctly and faithfully,....as to whether it's a keeper for Todd? :scratchchin:
If a 440 Daytona was changed at the dealer in 1969 before delivery to the original owner to a hemi, is it now a original hemi daytona? How much extra would a current buyer pay for that?
The couple 440 Daytona's that had 6 pack's installed by dealers. Do they command premium price over cars delivered with 4bbl's? Or is the cost difference the cost of the 6bbl assembly less the cost to find a matching # 4bbl assembly?
I have a NOS 1967-69 dealer ad on air bracket for the engine, # 2932653 with everything-even the original fan belt. If someone had one of those and could show the car got dealer ad on air, would the car be a original air car?
I see a difference between interesting, original and valuable.
It seems to me MCG and Mike get a lot of enjoyment in stirring up the pot. I find the top interesting and something to think about. To me there is merit and interest, not value.
The vinyl roof seems to me to be a dealer's way to cover up the really bad original paint job from Creative or a customers request for a day 2 car from the dealer.
If someone finds the real Sox & Martin Superbird that would be interesting, original,valuable and one really big story for the books. Same with someone finding the Prototype Brochure Daytona without the flush back window and tape on the nose.
I appreciate that magazines can only tell the same story about Daytona's or '68 SS Darts so many times.
Quote The vinyl roof seems to me to be a dealer's way to cover up the really bad original paint job from Creative or a customers request for a day 2 car from the dealer
This 500 apparently came with a vinyl top.Ive seen that ad for the Vandyke top in auto topics magazine and popular mechanics showing the 67 Satelitte
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_2824.jpg)
And a bad paint job. If it's on the factory invoice it's real to me.
I agree on documentation.I think the modtop daytona as explained in MCG atmost a aplausible sceneario.With no supporting evidence on conversion details who what and where. :Twocents:
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It seems to me MCG and Mike get a lot of enjoyment in stirring up the pot. I find the top interesting and something to think about. To me there is merit and interest, not value.
That's often the problem that I see in the "hobby", those consumed with "value", along with "numbers game", I enjoy the cars for what they are, and cherrish ones that are unique in their appearance and/or performance, nothing more, nothing less
Mike
I still have my race car in the garage just as it was the last time we were at Bonneville, roll cage, crossram on the engine, parachute and all, next to a tricked out microbus. I like the cars with mags, and custom paint jobs from the '70's and could care less about another stock restored car for myself. None of my cars are exactly stock. What I don't like is someone twisting history. Things came from the factory a certain way and were modified along the way, that story interests me. I'm not so interested in a made up story for sport.
Quote from: Redbird on January 25, 2011, 01:08:50 PM
I still have my race car in the garage just as it was the last time we were at Bonneville, roll cage, crossram on the engine, parachute and all.
Where's the bench seat with the spring sticking out of it these days? :shruggy: :lol:
Not only the spring coming out of the seat, but the whole seat completely falling apart from being baked in the Phoenix sun. A drive from Phoenix to St. Paul I'll never forget, all mostly good. Though the cheap Plymouth vinyl seat was so brittle it cracked every time you moved on it. The stuffing came out and caused my eyes to water. Unfortunately I threw the seat in the 80's. I'm sure the frame was rust free at the mounting studs. I did keep the broadcast sheets. I still have the original carpet in a box. The original cracked dash is in the car, though I have a BEA new one in a box. I still have the radio you put in and the receipt from the glove box for it.
Plus I have pictures in a box of the car at the meteor crater and pictures of the wing all iced up on the leading edge from going through freezing mist in Iowa.
I do wish I would have kept the seat frame.
Quote from: Redbird on January 25, 2011, 03:11:02 PM
Plus I have pictures in a box of the car at the meteor crater and pictures of the wing all iced up on the leading edge from going through freezing mist in Iowa.
Find that box and post 'em up! :yesnod:
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 25, 2011, 12:36:44 PM
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It seems to me MCG and Mike get a lot of enjoyment in stirring up the pot. I find the top interesting and something to think about. To me there is merit and interest, not value.
That's often the problem that I see in the "hobby", those consumed with "value", along with "numbers game", I enjoy the cars for what they are, and cherrish ones that are unique in their appearance and/or performance, nothing more, nothing less
Mike
:iagree:
Too much is placed on "so-called" production numbers with certain options and colors... Those records for the late 60's - early 70's were destroyed or never around from what I recall. People have a field day with "This is 1 of 29 registered". Registered based on what? Some individual collecting statistics? Granted, old and encompassing statistics (like Danny's & Galen's) can give one a feel for how rare something is, but it can really never be zeroed in on. A dealer installed whatever is just that, a dealer installed whatever, not a factory installed whatever. Dealerships were probably swapping things left, right and center just to make a sale.
Oh well,,, as eluded to earlier. Enjoy the heck ouf of them while we can. I believe most people get the gist by now on what's rare and what's ultra-rare.
QuoteA dealer installed whatever is just that, a dealer installed whatever, not a factory installed whatever. Dealerships were probably swapping things left, right and center just to make a sale.
I don't think "dealership" creations or "add-ons" should be dismissed, technically speaking the factory never made a production Daytona,...Creative Industries did,......to dismiss dealer "conversions", where dose one draw the line?, If all dealer creations are to be dismissed, then Mr Norms cars, GSS Demons, GTS Darts, Bengal Chargers, Hurst Super Stock Darts/Cudas, etc, etc, etc, don't "exsist", so to speak? ....whether the Modtop Daytona was done by the factories request, Creatives request, or the dealers request, or the owners, before, during, or after the sale,......it was done none the less, "back in the day", now had this been someone's recent creation or hoax, or creation of "what could have been",.....then yes it has no merit to the history of the car, but that's not the case here IMHO
Mike
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 25, 2011, 04:15:21 PM
QuoteA dealer installed whatever is just that, a dealer installed whatever, not a factory installed whatever. Dealerships were probably swapping things left, right and center just to make a sale.
I don't think "dealership" creations or "add-ons" should be dismissed, technically speaking the factory never made a production Daytona,...Creative Industries did,......to dismiss dealer "conversions", where dose one draw the line?, If all dealer creations are to be dismissed, then Mr Norms cars, GSS Demons, GTS Darts, Bengal Chargers, Hurst Super Stock Darts/Cudas, etc, etc, etc, don't "exsist", so to speak? ....whether the Modtop Daytona was done by the factories request, Creatives request, or the dealers request, or the owners, before, during, or after the sale,......it was done none the less, "back in the day", now had this been someone's recent creation or hoax, or creation of "what could have been",.....then yes it has no merit to the history of the car, but that's not the case here IMHO
Mike
thats True :yesnod: :yesnod: :popcrn:
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 25, 2011, 04:15:21 PM
technically speaking the factory never made a production Daytona,...Creative Industries did,......
While we may simply agree to disagree on this topic (you're certainly entitled to your opinion), there is a
huge difference between: a Creative Industries conversion that was sanctioned by the manufacturer, done with their explicit engineering/design/instructions, and completed with factory employee oversight; and a dealer- or owner-initiated modification to an existing car. Think of it this way... stories abound about Chrysler having to warranty the poor body & paintwork done at Creative Industries. Chrysler would have told anyone with a dealer-modified car to go pound sand if they brought in a "warranty" claim on the modified parts. They fixed Daytonas (well, sorta ;) ). That's THE difference, and it's a pretty clear distinction to me anyway between Daytonas and the examples you gave ('68 Hemi Dart/Cudas were another unique sanctioned project, although the warranty thing isn't the same).
I agree that Day Two modified cars are interesting - especially if their provenance is established. Their unique history, however, is a separate chapter and not part of their origin. Personally, I focus on how the cars were originally intended to be offered by Ma Mopar. Daytonas were not intended by Chrysler to be sold with 6-packs, vinyl tops, etc. That doesn't mean such modifications weren't made very early on, or that it wouldn't have been cool if they HAD been offered. Heck, I'd have loved it if Chrysler offered a fresh air option on a Daytona or any IIGen Charger for that matter.
FWIW, I don't hope every Day Two modified car will someday be taken back to "stock". Bengal Chargers would be missing something if they didn't have their emblems (color & stripe were factory-applied). Mr. Norm's GSS big-block or supercharged A-Bodies would be taking a huge step backwards to revert to their off-the-transporter stance. Changing anything back on Harold Sullivan's '67 Silver Bullet GTX would be nothing short of a travesty. It would even be quite cool to see Todd's car restored with a flower-print/mod vinyl top. I genuinely hope that happens! My only issue with any of the above is attempting to pass their post-Chrysler modifications off as factory-authorized when no such evidence exists.
With that said... my opinion holds no greater weight than anyone elses, and what I tend to gravitate towards isn't important if you feel differently. It's a big world out there.
:Twocents:
Yup, thats' the guy, Steve Hurd from Coquitlam, BC and you must mean the annual Mopar meet at Kwantlen college, I know it well. Has to be the same guy. He, his brother Rick and I bought the car from Maillardville autobody back in 1978 and went 3-ways on the purchase. One thing led to the next and the partnership dissolved slowly. That was an original mod-top installation. The car sat for over 8 years before we purchased it and someone stole the wing and nose while it sat at the back of the lot. We thought we had a handle on who stole the parts and wanted to buy them back. Haven't seen those guys for over 30 years. There was an orange with black stripe Daytona in the same town, super low mileage automatic car but it sold to a California collector before I had a chance to buy it. nobody had even ever sat in the back seat of that car, it was pristine!
That dealership in Vancouver was called Plimley Dodge, not Pumley.
I bought the other car (665 SE) - It is still in Canada. I also own all the stuff that was stolen off of the green car.....No - I did not steal the parts! :lol:
Good for you! I wonder where Steves' Daytona is now? I haven't talked to those guys, like I said, in at least 30 years! I miss those guys and the times, before I met my wife and had kids. I don't regret being married or having kids mind you. Now I have a 1966 Coronet, hemi drivetrain and etc. so the 'beat goes on' as they say!
MaxwellWedge, I might know you from the past, are you from the Seattle area or the lower mainland of BC? I am a friend of Dave Wren,and other Mopar nuts on the west coast. I still do the drags in Seattle, Mission and Ashcroft, BC. I used to own a yellow 1968 Roadrunner, a 1970 Challenger R/T, 67 and 69 GTX, etc.
No sir - I am in the (dreaded - LOL) east. I bought that Daytona off of Richard in BC...can't remember his last name. He was an older guy that had dozens of cars, engines parts etc. He live in a trailer because his house was falling apart. He was kind of......eccentric
Richard Hurd? I knew him as Rick, but his name was Richard, or am I talking about a different car? LOL. So long ago, in a place far removed from the present day.
:popcrn:
Could you please post the link to his website? Who now owns the car?
:coolgleamA:
Thanks Beep! Thats' exactly how I remember that car when the 3 of us guys bought it around 1978-79, for the princely sum of $1250 at the auto body auction in Coquitlam, BC. No wing, nose or back window. I sure am glad it is being restored now! I will be watching this restoration and eventual completion with a sort of trepidation for not having been able to keep the car myself but no matter, looks like it is in good hands! I remember how my heart was pounding very hard during the auction as there were a couple other guys bidding on it and we really wanted to purchase that car and did.
cool , more good stuff , thanks for sharing the info guys :popcrn: :cheers: :cheers:
Well - The owner of 666 came over to my place this weekend to check out my stuff and talk cars. Super good car guy. He is going with the mod top....and to tell you the truth....I think that is 100% cool :2thumbs:
It was funny showing him all of the parts that were stolen off of his car back in the day (Again - I didn't steal them!!!....I bought them along with 665...LOL!)
He has found replacements for everything except rear window trim.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 17, 2012, 10:16:18 AM
He is going with the mod top....and to tell you the truth....I think that is 100% cool :2thumbs:
:iagree: :2thumbs:
Very good to hear!
Quote from: hemigeno on December 17, 2012, 11:23:52 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 17, 2012, 10:16:18 AM
He is going with the mod top....and to tell you the truth....I think that is 100% cool :2thumbs:
:iagree: :2thumbs:
Very good to hear!
:coolgleamA: :popcrn:
Quote from: hemigeno on December 17, 2012, 11:23:52 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 17, 2012, 10:16:18 AM
He is going with the mod top....and to tell you the truth....I think that is 100% cool :2thumbs:
:iagree: :2thumbs:
Very good to hear!
I am getting too old to worry about, fight or argue the small stuff......starting to mellow! :lol:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 18, 2012, 11:02:48 AM
Quote from: hemigeno on December 17, 2012, 11:23:52 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 17, 2012, 10:16:18 AM
He is going with the mod top....and to tell you the truth....I think that is 100% cool :2thumbs:
:iagree: :2thumbs:
Very good to hear!
Does the owner look like Big Foot :shruggy: :D :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
I am getting too old to worry about, fight or argue the small stuff......starting to mellow! :lol:
Does the owner look like Big Foot :shruggy: :D :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: moparstuart on December 18, 2012, 12:02:20 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 18, 2012, 11:02:48 AM
Quote from: hemigeno on December 17, 2012, 11:23:52 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 17, 2012, 10:16:18 AM
He is going with the mod top....and to tell you the truth....I think that is 100% cool :2thumbs:
:iagree: :2thumbs:
Very good to hear!
Does the owner look like Big Foot :shruggy: :D :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
I am getting too old to worry about, fight or argue the small stuff......starting to mellow! :lol:
Does the owner look like Big Foot :shruggy: :D :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
:haha: :haha: :lol: :scratchchin:
I think for the most part people were much less upset about it having a Mod Top than they were the widely implied notion that Dodge did it at the factory.
Quote from: Ghoste on December 17, 2010, 09:06:05 PM
I see that it is in the latest issue of MCG and they are touting it as being the real deal. I thought the general opinion was that the top was added later? :icon_smile_question:
More Mod Top Daytona Information to follow 414"666" The Beast Lives On .
Thanks for looking
TS
Quote from: xxrtsemodtop on September 11, 2013, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on December 17, 2010, 09:06:05 PM
I see that it is in the latest issue of MCG and they are touting it as being the real deal. I thought the general opinion was that the top was added later? :icon_smile_question:
More Mod Top Daytona Information to follow 414"666" The Beast Lives On .
Thanks for looking
TS
Sorry, I got lost at "latest Issue of MCG" in the previous quote.....
Nice update on the Mod Top Daytona:
http://www.mooresmopars.com/modtop112.html
Dave
5 Daytona's at that shop!
http://www.autofocus.ca/news-events/features/the-madness-of-factory-spec-car-restoration
Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on August 01, 2015, 10:40:40 AM
Nice update on the Mod Top Daytona:
http://www.mooresmopars.com/modtop112.html
Dave
:cheers: :2thumbs:
Cody did a nice writeup on the car:
http://directlyconnectedmagazine.com/the-mod-squad-chasing-the-legend-of-the-mod-top-daytona/
Dave
Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on January 14, 2016, 11:19:38 AM
Cody did a nice writeup on the car:
http://directlyconnectedmagazine.com/the-mod-squad-chasing-the-legend-of-the-mod-top-daytona/
Dave
Thank you :cheers:
Nice job Cody!
This part - that would be me harboring the illicit, stolen merchandise.... :lol:
"The original nose, wing, latch tray, deck lid and rear glass were stolen while the car was parked at a body shop in the 70's or 80's. The kids who stole the parts sold them to the old man who I bought my Daytona from. All the old-timers in that area remember my Daytona and the Mod Top Daytona sitting side-by-side at the dealership in BC. I got all those extra parts when I bought mine from the old fellow. I also got another wing as well. That made two extra wings – one black, one white. I did not know the extra parts were stolen when I purchased them with the car. I still have everything but the nose which I sold with my Daytona."
good stuff , Cody !! nice work :2thumbs:
After doing nothing but research into the MOD TOP DAYTONA's early days some very interesting facts have come to life. A design team employee working on the production of psychedelic patterns was interviewed by myself personally revealing some very cool photos that will be published soon. The Mod Top was installed by Chrysler the material was owned by Chrysler and only produced once for the Design Team as a test. Interviews with the participants confirm these Facts.
And YES !!!! Some other cool stuff as listed below also helped !!!!
In a Blog;
Whats the Story with the Mod Top Daytona
"An acquaintance reported to Mr. Rozman that his father had brought the car home from work one day, saying it was in the executive garage and that someone had put the top on to test the public response".
later Bog
Here's the story of the Mod Top Charger Daytona
http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2015/12/mystery-mod-top-charger-and-daytona-30854
in a later Blog Here's the story of the Mod Top Charger Daytona
http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2015/12/heres-the-story-of-the-mod-top-charger-daytona-30881
The other posts on Dodge Charger .com have been most helpful in putting together the complete story.
Thank you all for participating .
Regards
T. Savage
Quote from: xxrtsemodtop on January 18, 2016, 03:21:42 PM
After doing nothing but research into the MOD TOP DAYTONA's early days some very interesting facts have come to life. A design team employee working on the production of psychedelic patterns was interviewed by myself personally revealing some very cool photos that will be published soon. The Mod Top was installed by Chrysler the material was owned by Chrysler and only produced once for the Design Team as a test. Interviews with the participants confirm these Facts.
And YES !!!! Some other cool stuff as listed below also helped !!!!
In a Blog;
Whats the Story with the Mod Top Daytona
"An acquaintance reported to Mr. Rozman that his father had brought the car home from work one day, saying it was in the executive garage and that someone had put the top on to test the public response".
later Bog
Here's the story of the Mod Top Charger Daytona
http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2015/12/mystery-mod-top-charger-and-daytona-30854
in a later Blog Here's the story of the Mod Top Charger Daytona
http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2015/12/heres-the-story-of-the-mod-top-charger-daytona-30881
The other posts on Dodge Charger .com have been most helpful in putting together the complete story.
Thank you all for participating .
Regards
T. Savage
That's good to hear Todd!...where/when will these newly discovered photos be posted/viewed?
PS. I hope the "pie" your serving is of a healthy size, as there are/were quite a few naysayers when this car was revisited close to a decade ago, I said back then that they'd be eating crow!
Mike
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,65917.0.html
Good to hear more evidence has surfaced.I recall initail post guy had pictures being developed at pharmacy with modtop daytona claims
Im from Missouri , I'll believe it when you Show ME
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