I have recently picked up the Karl Gould / Tim Richards hemi car and I are looking for some of the "in the day" race shots of this car.
I have gotten 5 or 6 pics off of the other threads about this car, But I'm now searching leads on possible photographs that may be out there from days gone by shot by armature photographers , I was lucky enough to find actual footage of this car making passes back at York 30 dragway .
our plans are to bring this car back to the "as raced " look of 1970. (see attached pic)
Michael and I had this car on display at Don Garlits this past weekend, it was a "hit among the cars there.... we actually took both our white car, our red car and this one..... this car got 3 times the attention than the other cars..lol
Like I mentioned above, i have gotten 5 or 6 from the threads that already exist on this one.
lastly I'm looking for the original hemi that went in this car... it was pulled with less that 10 miles on it.... Tim Richards told me he thinks it was sold to the Late Bob Chipper from Binghamton NY. ( a fellow drag racer) . the engine's/car's vin is 161573.
I am willing to pay a $1000.00 finders fee if I am able to find the current owner , and BUY the engine.
Bob chipper died in 2012, so I'm now looking for some of His racer friends.
any help on chasing history of this car would be much appreciated.
So, can any of you guys help in my search for pics of this one?
Mike
Congrats on the car Mike. That is an incredible ride.
Thanks Daniel.....it's been fun tracking history so far.
Very nice indeed! Any chance of posting pics in it's current state.
Is it a 4spd? Any idea why they pulled the engine so soon?
I will check around.
Does this help.Also Hemi Fred is a local mopar guy and drag raced for years in the day and was Jack werst crew chief.And contacted wally bell to answer a question about this car
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,67778.msg762159/topicseen.html#msg762159
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86475.msg976288.html#msg976288
Re: ebay photo--what bird is this?
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2010, 09:32:29 AM »
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My friend Fred came through knowing who to ask Wally Bell was on scene when this Gould superbird was doing its thing
From: WallyCBell
To: Hemifred
Subject: Re: gould super bird
I had the deal in '69.
The Engine came from Sox&Martin ( I met Jake at the S&M shop after the AHRA race in Texas)'69. (Don Carlton won with it.)
Chrysler helped us some (Koffel)
Gould
brought Tim in
they put an automatic in the car(the '69) raced it a little then put the engine in the butt F'in' ugly nascar superbird..
I have no idea where Any of this stuff ended up..
that's my true story and I'm stickin' to it.
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From: "Hemifred
To: wallycbell
Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 9:50:00 AM
Subject: gould super bird
wally what do you remember about the Superbird that Richards ? who drove it etc ? Sox motor Huh
Check with Jim Kramer a race hemi guru phone 724-285-5566 fax 724-285-8898 address p.o.box 5 Herman, pa 16039. Email kramerauto@aol.com good luck.
congratulations :cheers: :2thumbs:
would love to see pictures sometime , :popcrn: :2thumbs:
Quote from: moparnation74 on November 04, 2014, 08:33:58 PM
Very nice indeed! Any chance of posting pics in it's current state.
Is it a 4spd? Any idea why they pulled the engine so soon?
I will check around.
This car is a automatic (originally B5 Blue white bench seat car).
Tim Richards told me that they picked this car up from the dealership the day in came in off the truck, (said it was not even "dealer prepped")
from there they drove it straight over to the race shop and pulled the hemi out (car had less than 10 miles when the original engine came out), they then droped in the Sox and Martin Hemi.
* Tim told me with a chuckle..... "
funny story about that car... "
when I got the car to the shop , we went through the car, and when we pulled the back seat out....there was a 1/2 eaten peanut butter and Jelly sandwich.... "some line worker must of left there"..lolI told Tim that my plans were to restore back to its "as raced day" ..... but might leave out the Peanut butter and jelly sandwich .
:cheers: :popcrn: :drool5: :2thumbs:
here's a few of how the car looks today..... NOW BEFORE YOU GUYS START THROWING STONES......lol...Just for the record I LOVE THE CURRENT PAINT...but, I like the look of the race day paint better. so go ahead... throw me to the lions...lol
;)
;) ;)
;) ;) ;)
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you can see in the door vin picture... traces of the original b5 blue , then the second paint (white is when it was owned by the Carpinet Brothers... (ive talked to Bob Carpinet also... lots of good info from him.)
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 05, 2014, 12:42:53 AM
Does this help.Also Hemi Fred is a local mopar guy and drag raced for years in the day and was Jack werst crew chief.And contacted wally bell to answer a question about this car
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,67778.msg762159/topicseen.html#msg762159
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86475.msg976288.html#msg976288
Re: ebay photo--what bird is this?
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2010, 09:32:29 AM »
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My friend Fred came through knowing who to ask Wally Bell was on scene when this Gould superbird was doing its thing
From: WallyCBell
To: Hemifred
Subject: Re: gould super bird
I had the deal in '69.
The Engine came from Sox&Martin ( I met Jake at the S&M shop after the AHRA race in Texas)'69. (Don Carlton won with it.)
Chrysler helped us some (Koffel)
Gould
brought Tim in
they put an automatic in the car(the '69) raced it a little then put the engine in the butt F'in' ugly nascar superbird..
I have no idea where Any of this stuff ended up..
that's my true story and I'm stickin' to it.
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From: "Hemifred
To: wallycbell
Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 9:50:00 AM
Subject: gould super bird
wally what do you remember about the Superbird that Richards ? who drove it etc ? Sox motor Huh
YES, this did help a lot in my quest, thanks Doug!
I saw the car at Garlits and talked to Mike quite a bit about the car...he opened and closed the door and I couldnt believe how tight that car is...
We're did you find the car and I like the 70s look.
:cheers: yes Sir David, I loved seeing your car also.
Quote from: farm966 on November 05, 2014, 08:04:33 AM
I saw the car at Garlits and talked to Mike quite a bit about the car...he opened and closed the door and I couldnt believe how tight that car is...
Quote from: billssuperbird on November 05, 2014, 08:08:57 AM
We're did you find the car and I like the 70s look.
I found this car In PA. it spent all of its life in a small radius of York 30 dragway.
Not throwing any stones!
I LOVE the idea of taking back to its historical race theme. Was the car advertised or...how did you find it for sale?
Quote from: FJ5WING on November 05, 2014, 08:51:02 AM
Not throwing any stones!
I LOVE the idea of taking back to its historical race theme. Was the car advertised or...how did you find it for sale?
I found this car through a buddy of mine Gary French... we talked about this car for a year or so , before I made contact with the owner.
Hi Mike,
Congrats (again!) on the car - it's a fantastic piece of racing history. Not that you have any intentions of doing so, but your car spent such a short time in stock/B5 form it would have an identity complex if you took it back to as-delivered condition now. Its current paint scheme would be pretty wild to retain, but there are lots of photos in Karl Gould livery. Any good photos of it in its white/Carpinet colors? (Maybe I've seen them and am just drawing a blank at the moment).
Hard to go wrong with that one. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Thanks for posting up about your great news!!
Gene
Quote from: hemigeno on November 05, 2014, 11:26:43 AM
Hi Mike,
Congrats (again!) on the car - it's a fantastic piece of racing history. Not that you have any intentions of doing so, but your car spent such a short time in stock/B5 form it would have an identity complex if you took it back to as-delivered condition now. Its current paint scheme would be pretty wild to retain, but there are lots of photos in Karl Gould livery. Any good photos of it in its white/Carpinet colors? (Maybe I've seen them and am just drawing a blank at the moment).
Hard to go wrong with that one. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Thanks for posting up about your great news!!
Gene
Gene I got these from Bob Carpinet ... more coming as he digs em up
couple more
its wearing this paint in these photos.........
before that it was called" infamy" (* Bob basically took the Karl Gould door paint off) and had Imfamy painted..... the above pictues (white ) was the cars 2nd paint job.
sorry if this is confusing. I should have posted in order.
Very, very cool car - congrats! :cheers:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 05, 2014, 12:04:02 PM
Very, very cool car - congrats! :cheers:
thanks so much, its been so much fun talking to the guys remembering seeing this car run.
now the search is on for the Original engine.
Mike
From the earlier post any more clues on the engine BS27ROB:.[Engine was removed with only 8 miles on it]
Sorry I've taken so long to respond to this. The car's VIN is RM23ROA161573 originally B5, white bench interior, auto on the column. I spoke with Paul Messemer a few years ago. He told me he worked for Gould at the time. He said the car had 8 miles on it when they pulled the engine and replaced it with the S&M race hemi. Messemer told me he owned the car, he had Richards doing the driving. If you notice in the ad it is stated the car has "custom metalflake paint". Although not the greatest quality, this is the only picture I have of the car in that first custom paint. A friend of mine who race at the same time and knew these guys and the car told me he thinks John Circus did the custom paint. Messemer sold the car to the Carpinet Brothers of Wyoming, Pa in (he believes) 1971. From what I understand they ran the car for a while, then put a 440 in the car and it was sold to Frank Obitz of Wilkes-Barre, PA. Frank had the car painted in its current scheme. It passed through another owner who removed the engine and sold it to me. There are at least 2 broadcast sheets with the car, 1 of which is visible under the front seat.
Quote from: gymratt30 on November 05, 2014, 10:54:11 AM
Quote from: FJ5WING on November 05, 2014, 08:51:02 AM
Not throwing any stones!
I LOVE the idea of taking back to its historical race theme. Was the car advertised or...how did you find it for sale?
I found this car through a buddy of mine Gary French... we talked about this car for a year or so , before I made contact with the owner.
Gary ( locally known as jr. French),....pretty amazing at finding wings & things!
Mike,
Congrats on the great find!
I hope you put the KARL GOULD livery back on and return the car to the track!
I would love to take it down the track! Just awesome piece of history!
MJ
I love winger`s with ( back in the day ) custom paint and this one has had a few Custom paint jobs done to it.But I think the Karl Gould B5 one would be the Keeper. :Twocents:
Just to throw my opinion and two cents in.....I hope you return to the Karl Gould paint job as that is how most would remember it. Having said that, IF the car hadn't been a racer and better known with the Gould paint job I want have voted for keeping the custom paint job you purchased the car with. Not sure I care for it all that much, but that is besides the point. The point I would make is that to many of these cars from back in the day that had standout custom paint jobs have/are being restored back to stock and therefore losing their past. And, while I appreciate a bone stock restoration....I like to see some of these car left as they were back in the day.
Theres a video I believe Tan Top posted showing the Karl Gould car at the drags in action :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 06, 2014, 12:34:40 PM
Theres a video I believe Tan Top posted showing the Karl Gould car at the drags in action :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
:2thumbs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96LAvyOu3rk
8 minutes 12 seconds into the video
Quote from: Mopar John on November 05, 2014, 09:14:24 PM
Mike,
Congrats on the great find!
I hope you put the KARL GOULD livery back on and return the car to the track!
I would love to take it down the track! Just awesome piece of history!
MJ
thanks Mopar John... my plans are to get it back to race look, .... im chasing leads on the original engine... If i could get the original engine , it would go back in the car ... not so much as a all out race build , but something in-between.
when we brought her home it did not have engine or tranny installed. it had a 69 440 k member in it, So we had to swap that stuff back out to prepare for the Hemi.
here's a picture of the date code on the hemi that came with the car..
engine and tranny bolted up
because the engine had not been run in quite a few years, I wanted to do a "test fire" outside the car to make sure we had no big engine issues ..... It was the First time I've ever fired a engine on the ground..... I did this with out the Help of Micheal, (he was/is away at college, so I had to shoot him a video of the test fire....
it took me 4 trys to figure out that I needed a constant 12 volts to the coil.....( I had the starter dog wire twisted in with the coil wire and kept pulling both off the battery when i would hear it fire.......told Michael what I had done ...he laughed and said,..."I could have told you that".... anyway it was a good test fire once I remembered to keep the coil wire on it the whole time...lol
heres the you tube link
http://youtu.be/IwtPF7Unhng
heres a picture of us putting the engine back in ( two weeks ago)....just so we could take it to The Mopars at Don Garlits show last weekend...
I need to thank Troy for his helpful post about using the Cherry Picker to lift the front of the car..... made a few phone calls to Him..."thanks so much Buddy!"
way up in the air...
so cool nice score Mike
:2thumbs: I like old race cars.
I know you'll locate the original engine, too. :cheers:
Hemi superbird article was called grooming the elephant they to used the cherry picker and did hemi from the bottom
Quote from: wingcar on November 06, 2014, 12:31:40 PM
Just to throw my opinion and two cents in.....I hope you return to the Karl Gould paint job as that is how most would remember it. Having said that, IF the car hadn't been a racer and better known with the Gould paint job I want have voted for keeping the custom paint job you purchased the car with. Not sure I care for it all that much, but that is besides the point. The point I would make is that to many of these cars from back in the day that had standout custom paint jobs have/are being restored back to stock and therefore losing their past. And, while I appreciate a bone stock restoration....I like to see some of these car left as they were back in the day.
I agree and congrats on the great find. It's nice to know these cars are still out there. I liked it better with the Centerlines over the rallyes.
This will be an interesting thread to follow. Hopefully more info gets uncovered.
Best of luck!
Dave
nice pictures :popcrn:
Mike, as big as you are I thought you would have lifted the nose of that car military press style as Michael pushed the engine underneath it....I am just jealous...
Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on November 07, 2014, 12:54:28 AM
Quote from: wingcar on November 06, 2014, 12:31:40 PM
Just to throw my opinion and two cents in.....I hope you return to the Karl Gould paint job as that is how most would remember it. Having said that, IF the car hadn't been a racer and better known with the Gould paint job I want have voted for keeping the custom paint job you purchased the car with. Not sure I care for it all that much, but that is besides the point. The point I would make is that to many of these cars from back in the day that had standout custom paint jobs have/are being restored back to stock and therefore losing their past. And, while I appreciate a bone stock restoration....I like to see some of these car left as they were back in the day.
I agree and congrats on the great find. It's nice to know these cars are still out there. I liked it better with the Centerlines over the rallyes.
This will be an interesting thread to follow. Hopefully more info gets uncovered.
Best of luck!
thanks Dave, I really liked the ceneterlines also, but about 80% of the pics ive got shows the car with keystone classics on the front and black rims on the back...... I went with that look,
Quote from: farm966 on November 07, 2014, 08:35:19 AM
Mike, as big as you are I thought you would have lifted the nose of that car military press style as Michael pushed the engine underneath it....I am just jealous...
I told you it was "off season" ... Im fat and happy..lol
i'd probably do the race version, too, but it would absolutely break my heart to remove that custom paint job to do so.
you HAVE to burn up a camera or two taking photos of it beforehand. they simply don't make 'em like that anymore
Im thinking Im going to keep the trunk lid for "wall art" ... im going to be looking for another trunk lid as a donor.
;).
:2thumbs:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 07, 2014, 12:40:44 AM
it was the first time Ive ever put one in from the bottom,.....not for the faint of heart.... it was a "job" with only 3 of us and no lift.
But it was a nice feeling to bolt those 4 k-member bolts in and sit back and think about how long I would have fought those dang headers....lol
Hemi superbird article was called grooming the elephant they to used the cherry picker and did hemi from the bottom
so the engine was pulled out with less that 10 miles on it so im told.... so could these exhaust stickers be originals..??????
.
heres the full picture
Does it still have the resonators
Quote from: gymratt30 on November 07, 2014, 01:34:46 PM
Im thinking Im going to keep the trunk lid for "wall art" ... im going to be looking for another trunk lid as a donor.
Definitely keep it! :2thumbs:
Looking at the pic......got a really weird feeling. Almost like I'd seen it before. Not the car, just the mural. Finally jogged the memory.......back in 77, my cousin picked up a red 73 340 RR. He saved up for a bit, took care of rust issues, and had the car painted. Talked to a custom painter to do a mural very close to that on the trunk lid....didn't quite come up with the $$$, so he but he didn't get. Wile didn't have a knife in his version, but otherwise very close.
Keep it.......very cool. :yesnod:
great find MIKE ,WOOD BEE neet to keep that paint for few years,just get a good air brush guy to touch up nose an hood. make some magnetic or air brush signs for the side..
mike & son racing
mikes Bird Rescue
GymRat Racing
I think the rallies are to small an tame looking???? keystone ,centerlines or cragers with big tires or slicks look killer with the custom paint.
some day do the karl G race paint but make nose match the quarter paint it kind of looks like crash repair the way its block painted in most of the pics.. kind of like 2nd an 3rd repaints better?
:popcrn: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :cheers: DJ,oregon
Quote from: gymratt30 on November 07, 2014, 01:53:29 PM
so the engine was pulled out with less that 10 miles on it so im told.... so could these exhaust stickers be originals..??????
.
I would say NO.
Just curious,
In the late 1970's I looked at the Jack Werst SB when Ken Jennings owned it. The wheel lips at the rear quarters were rolled over. Probably for 2 reasons, first they probably moved the rear wheels forward and fixing the wheel wells probably hid it better if they did that, second to reduce chances the rear slicks would get cut.
2 years ago I was at the Mopars in the Park show with the Sox & Martin reunion. I felt under the rear quarters of the cars while I was there. S & M had a distinctive way of rolling their quarters under at the wheel wells. As much as I can recall it was different than the Werst car.
Were the quarters rolled over at the wheel wells on the Richards car? Rear wheels moved forward?
I cant get over you finding that in my back yard!!
I also find it interesting they didn't take delivery of a non undercoated car.
Quote from: dyslexic teddybear on November 07, 2014, 10:06:25 PM
Quote from: gymratt30 on November 07, 2014, 01:34:46 PM
Im thinking Im going to keep the trunk lid for "wall art" ... im going to be looking for another trunk lid as a donor.
Definitely keep it! :2thumbs:
Looking at the pic......got a really weird feeling. Almost like I'd seen it before. Not the car, just the mural. Finally jogged the memory.......back in 77, my cousin picked up a red 73 340 RR. He saved up for a bit, took care of rust issues, and had the car painted. Talked to a custom painter to do a mural very close to that on the trunk lid....didn't quite come up with the $$$, so he but he didn't get. Wile didn't have a knife in his version, but otherwise very close.
Keep it.......very cool. :yesnod:
You're not the first to tell me that that type of art work looked familiar ..... I talked to Le Hodges of Hodge restorations about this car..
Le mentioned that there was a particular artist that did those scenes back in the 70's almost described the painting before i told him the details of the artwork.
(didnt know the artists name..... but again , another cool piece if history that has surfaced)
Quote from: Redbird on November 08, 2014, 07:57:59 PM
Just curious,
In the late 1970's I looked at the Jack Werst SB when Ken Jennings owned it. The wheel lips at the rear quarters were rolled over. Probably for 2 reasons, first they probably moved the rear wheels forward and fixing the wheel wells probably hid it better if they did that, second to reduce chances the rear slicks would get cut.
2 years ago I was at the Mopars in the Park show with the Sox & Martin reunion. I felt under the rear quarters of the cars while I was there. S & M had a distinctive way of rolling their quarters under at the wheel wells. As much as I can recall it was different than the Werst car.
Were the quarters rolled over at the wheel wells on the Richards car? Rear wheels moved forward?
Yes, the fender lips are rolled in, and YES to question 2 the rear wheels are moved forward. I was surprised how easily the 29.5 inch slicks fit under the car.... actually had room for a bit bigger tire... the rear shocks have some fabricated lower flanges to give the car more lift in the rear, while still retaining good damper for better launches(im guessing.)..... in talking with
Paul Messemer, unlike the 5/50 car, the front wheels are not moved, along with the engine cowl still in its original position...( 5/50 car has its engine moved back a inch or so). Paul did mention that there were some
"modifications " made that slipped by track officials, Including filling the spare tire with about 150lbs of something.... cant remember what exactly he mentioned the substance was , calium?, sulfer?.
Bob Carpinet told me that they had stuffed the wing with about 150lbs of a
lead wool that is used in the Plumbing industry. Im not sure if the spare tire was still in the car or not,,,, But he (Bob carpinet ran a Plumbing business and the wool was avialible to them at work..lol).
This car like the 5/50 car has two big electric fuel pumps mounted down on the frame rails near the rear tires and it also like the 5/50 car has the N96 optioned XXX ed over on the fender tag.
(ill post the fender tag pic later)
this car also has a dana 60 in it ....Paul and Tim took the 8 3/4 from the begining
Quote from: FJ5WING on November 09, 2014, 07:18:03 AM
I cant get over you finding that in my back yard!!
I also find it interesting they didn't take delivery of a non undercoated car.
yep this car stayed in PA for the last 43 years until I brought it to SC in July of AUG/SEPT of this year.
cant say much about the delivery of a non undercoated car... BUT Tim Richards, did mentioned that they ordered a Bench seat car for weight reasons.
Quote from: gymratt30 on November 07, 2014, 01:53:29 PM
so the engine was pulled out with less that 10 miles on it so im told.... so could these exhaust stickers be originals..??????
.
Having worked with exhaust systems in the 70s, they'd have those paper stickers with part numbers on them.
Head pipe stickers would burn off the fastest. But on a tail pipe, it would take a few miles... :Twocents:
I say they are original. :Twocents:
I thought the resonator question cleared up the originality factor?
Quote from: FJ5WING on November 09, 2014, 12:49:45 PM
I thought the resonator question cleared up the originality factor?
The paper stickers are original. May not be the original pipes, but those stickers are real! :2thumbs:
Congrats, way cool.
I remember reading about the Werst car's paint job having a design that pulled the eyes towards it that way no one would ever study the location of the rear wheels. Technology in '69 at it's finest. :icon_smile_big:
:Twocents: I remember hemi fred telling all the changes made to jack werst bird steel speaker deck one altered wheel in front to catch stage beam 150 lb tail lights etc when Jennings had it out of the box headers wouldn't work .Engine was relocated
:2thumbs:
Looking at the rear wheel arches ahead of the tire ..appears it's widened too...err the subtle ' curl ' is removed
That's a top of the line car trailer for the era too..on par with todays car trailers.
This thread and everything about this ride is awesome. I dig the paint job as well, love the 70's racer scheme.
.
heres the pictures of the fender tag and trunk lip
another view
dash vin plate
below you can view a youtube short clip I have of the car in the Pits, and making a Pass at the 1970 Summernationals in York PA.
The car won its Class. (SS/EA) but did not win the event.
click on the link here
http://youtu.be/bX_Q77x6SdA
:cheers: :popcrn: :drool5: :2thumbs: :drive:
Good stuff Mike...
You may have already eluded to this, but the XXX? Is that over the N96 that would have been standard on a hemi-equipped Road Runner?
Troy
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 13, 2014, 09:51:57 AM
Good stuff Mike...
You may have already eluded to this, but the XXX? Is that over the N96 that would have been standard on a hemi-equipped Road Runner?
Troy
Yes, the N96 is stamped over with XXX , ( the 5/50 car is the same way also)
found this picture today.
im wondering .... it says they Knocked off the Briggs Chevrolet,,,,, are they talking about Ray Allen's LS6 Chevelle???
Quote from: djcarguy on November 08, 2014, 02:57:19 PM
great find MIKE ,WOOD BEE neet to keep that paint for few years,just get a good air brush guy to touch up nose an hood. make some magnetic or air brush signs for the side..
mike & son racing
mikes Bird Rescue
GymRat Racing
I think the rallies are to small an tame looking???? keystone ,centerlines or cragers with big tires or slicks look killer with the custom paint.
some day do the karl G race paint but make nose match the quarter paint it kind of looks like crash repair the way its block painted in most of the pics.. kind of like 2nd an 3rd repaints better?
:popcrn: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :cheers: DJ,oregon
Its also on page 103 .As to the briggs Ray Allen LS6 Race it was againist the similar superbird.Maybe that's what the article thought
http://books.google.com/books?id=GlWbUGX-CF4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=QUARTER-Mile+Muscle&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mjtsVPj_IYSmgwSnz4HQDw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=QUARTER-Mile%20Muscle&f=false
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=106158.0 Ray Allen VS Jack Werst Superbird Pic
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 19, 2014, 01:44:00 AM
Its also on page 103 .As to the briggs Ray Allen LS6 Race it was againist the similar superbird.Maybe that's what the article thought
http://books.google.com/books?id=GlWbUGX-CF4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=QUARTER-Mile+Muscle&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mjtsVPj_IYSmgwSnz4HQDw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=QUARTER-Mile%20Muscle&f=false
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=106158.0 Ray Allen VS Jack Werst Superbird Pic
Thanks for the link on the book!.., good find. (ordered my copy this morning).
I do know about the Jack Werst / Ray Allen battle.
I was just kinda confused to the fact the pic I posted above came out of the newpaper called RACEWAY NEWS... , so my guess is it was accurate in reporting that particular weekend, the Tim beat out Briggs Chevrolet ...just was not sure if it was the chevelle of Ray Allen's...
I got a email form a friend by the name of John Butchco, he may have enlightened me to a new path to search for my Hemi engine,,,,,
hi mike....well, I may have misled you a bit as far as the hemi engine is concerned....the mind ain't what she used to be so I spoke to my friend paul messemer today at length about thye engine(s)....it seems that the hemi engine out of the superbird ended up in another karl gould car...the one driven by tim Richards and paul back in 71 when these pics were taken....I did not realize that there was a second, third, fourth and fifth 426 hemi lurking around.....my understanding was that chip kept the original engine from the 33 willys for all the other builds....paul said NO, that there were a bunch of hemis lurking around at that time and the one from the superbird ended up in this car as pictured.....as I got out of drag racing in 1970-1, I cannot deny nor corroborate anything paul said....I suspect he may be right as he was adamant that the engine WAS in the brown cuda when it went to a guy in florida and then to another guy in Georgia - he mentioned that he told you this about a month ago...funny, but I just happened to have pics of that car in my old drag folder so here they are....if you have any connection with nhra/ihra/? in fl or ga, maybe you could look there....I was told the car was still sporting the same colors when last seen in, I think, Bristol tn at the drags there - it was running ss/da ....anyway, I am still checking with some of the guys from back in the day, but 30 years ago is tough for some of us to remember....enjoy the pics and I will keep checking - George did not have the engine as you may have thought.....later...johnnyB
any of you guys know of a Cuda in Florida or Georiga running this paint scheme and sporting a Hemi?
cool pic i got from a friend of the Karl Gould dealership in 1970 ...thats Bob chippers Cuda
It looks like the 1970 Daytona 500 Superbird poster is in the front window.
Quote from: Redbird on November 19, 2014, 10:34:05 PM
It looks like the 1970 Daytona 500 Superbird poster is in the front window.
Yes, it does.
Which would probably place "Bob Chipper's" car in front of the dealership in late March-early April 1970. Guessing for print time for the poster plus mailing. Spring snow in background.
BTW nice Chevy tow truck.
Quote from: gymratt30 on November 13, 2014, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 13, 2014, 09:51:57 AM
Good stuff Mike...
You may have already eluded to this, but the XXX? Is that over the N96 that would have been standard on a hemi-equipped Road Runner?
Troy
Yes, the N96 is stamped over with XXX , ( the 5/50 car is the same way also)
I've never seen that before on a fender tag....the XXX. Is there other Hemi Superbirds like that?
Dave
Some more good press & exposure for your original engine hunt, Mike!
:2thumbs:
"Psychedelic Superbird" Hemmings Blog (http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2014/11/25/the-psychedelic-superbird-and-one-owners-quest-for-its-original-hemi-engine)
wow that Hemmings article is a blessing... im sure the word will be spread more to help on the engine hunt.
just Fyi, I talked to Tim Richards again this morning.. Tim is a first class guy... he has given me so much information about his car... a true pleasure to talk to.
I sent link to a few places myself hopefully motor will be found
NEW INFO--- UPDATES???? ??? ??? ??? :popcrn: :popcrn: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Ordered the Book Quarter Mile Muscle. Found a small picture and write up about the car.
heres the small write up (top Left)
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 19, 2014, 01:44:00 AM
Its also on page 103 .As to the briggs Ray Allen LS6 Race it was againist the similar superbird.Maybe that's what the article thought
http://books.google.com/books?id=GlWbUGX-CF4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=QUARTER-Mile+Muscle&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mjtsVPj_IYSmgwSnz4HQDw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=QUARTER-Mile%20Muscle&f=false
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=106158.0 Ray Allen VS Jack Werst Superbird Pic
Thanks for the Lead Nascarxx29 ... the book was well worth the purchase.!
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: more documentation is a good thing
Yes Sir!:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Thanks again!
I got a possible lead on my missing engine, and figured id post here to see if someone remembers seeing the car im looking for.
Paul Messemer mentioned to me that the original motor for my superbird could be in a RED and White 1970 Hemi Cuda .
The story goes it was a drag car... if Left PA. back in the 70's and went to FL. from there it was sold to a guy in GA. Paul said, he last saw the car running at a IHRA race held in Tenn. back 10 plus years ago.
anybody know of a red and white 70 cuda running IHRA in Tenn????
*1000.00 finders fee still offered to the person that can put me in touch with the current owner of the engine and * I actually buy the engine
mike hill
803 236 8828 cell
here is the glove box that Tim Richards signed for me over the Christmas Holidays. My wife wrapped it up and put it under the tree.
installed
DO you have an can post some shots of th three birds at that show??/THANKS DJ OUT WEST
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :cheers:
Quote from: djcarguy on November 08, 2014, 02:57:19 PM
great find MIKE ,WOOD BEE neet to keep that paint for few years,just get a good air brush guy to touch up nose an hood. make some magnetic or air brush signs for the side..
mike & son racing
mikes Bird Rescue
GymRat Racing
I think the rallies are to small an tame looking???? keystone ,centerlines or cragers with big tires or slicks look killer with the custom paint.
some day do the karl G race paint but make nose match the quarter paint it kind of looks like crash repair the way its block painted in most of the pics.. kind of like 2nd an 3rd repaints better?
:popcrn: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :cheers: DJ,oregon
Quote from: djcarguy on February 24, 2015, 11:58:13 AM
DO you have an can post some shots of th three birds at that show??/THANKS DJ OUT WEST
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :cheers:Quote from: djcarguy on November 08, 2014, 02:57:19 PM
great find MIKE ,WOOD BEE neet to keep that paint for few years,just get a good air brush guy to touch up nose an hood. make some magnetic or air brush signs for the side..
mike & son racing
heres a couple of pics of all 3 cars at Don Garlits last year
mikes Bird Rescue
GymRat Racing
I think the rallies are to small an tame looking???? keystone ,centerlines or cragers with big tires or slicks look killer with the custom paint.
some day do the karl G race paint but make nose match the quarter paint it kind of looks like crash repair the way its block painted in most of the pics.. kind of like 2nd an 3rd repaints better?
:popcrn: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :cheers: DJ,oregon
2nd at Garlits
Quote from: gymratt30 on February 24, 2015, 12:07:55 PM
2nd at Garlits
That is one great looking collection mike. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your thread about the two side by side superbirds and I can't wait to see what you do to this superbirds.
Not sure if you guys heard, but Mike was offering people to drive his hemi bird around the parking lot at Garlits for $5.00!
Quote from: farm966 on April 07, 2015, 03:02:53 PM
Not sure if you guys heard, but Mike was offering people to drive his hemi bird around the parking lot at Garlits for $5.00!
Yep , and rides in the BLUE clone are free.
If you see the Blue clone next year, just ask for a "free 1320 drive"
Ha ha....1320??
Quater mile...1320 ...
I remember you telling us, the person that ran your superbird clone , and had the lowest time slip , got a free drug perscription at Swift pharmacy.!
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Sorry, I was a little slow on that one....that was funny!
Another cool Hemi Drag Bird in the new Elapsed Times...
cool, thats the first time ive seen that one. :2thumbs:
found this short write up in a issue of Drag Times.
Another cool article on the Karl Gould car . Bought this copy of Raceway news (* got a PM from a board member here that is was on EBAY).
Once again in this article it mentions the Hemi superbird winning over the Briggs Chevrolet team, But losing the Tritak and Morgan team.
does anyone know if the Briggs Chevrolet would have been the LS6 convertible?????? , (* it appears so to me in the article). You guys read it and give me your thoughts....
Did Briggs Chevrolet run another SS/EA car in 1970????????
picture 2 from raceway news.
picture 3 from raceway news.
anyone know if the Briggs Chevrolet would have been the LS6 convertible???? , (* it appears so to me in the article). You guys read it and give me your thoughts....
Did Briggs Chevrolet run another SS/EA car in 1970?
interesting stuff , thanks for posting :cheers: :popcrn:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,106158.0.html
https://www.mecum.com/lot-detail/FL0115-204297/0/1970-Chevrolet-Chevelle-LS6-Convertible/Automatic/
thanks NascarXX29, ..I was sent this "points standings" sheet by a friend of mine today..... actually shows Tim Richards ahead of Ray allen as of September 20 1970.
Thanks for bringing it to Carlisle so I could enjoy it. I stopped to talk to you and your family for a few minutes. Thanks for your time.
Dave
likewise, Dave , enjoyed talking to you also!
gymratt30, Do you have this one?
Was found on a facebook page.
Believe so same car in a different paint job
Quote from: nascarxx29 on August 04, 2015, 09:23:26 PM
Believe so same car in a different paint job
Wow, UFO, no I didn't have this one. What a cool find.
So glad you took the time to post if for me
From Facebook huh?
I'd love to search the files in that particular FB posters thread.
Thanks again for posting it here.
Mike
kiwitrev - your signature pic is so huge I always think you are posting it as relevant to a thread. Any chance on a downsize? :shruggy:
Quote from: Homerr on August 05, 2015, 09:37:30 AM
kiwitrev - your signature pic is so huge I always think you are posting it as relevant to a thread. Any chance on a downsize? :shruggy:
that really confused me too :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
Looks better now :2thumbs: :cheers:
Pic was found here,
https://www.facebook.com/groups/144721768965928/
Thanks again UFO, I was able to get a good size file from the photographer to make a nice 8x10 enlargement.
:2thumbs:
Does anyone remember who's 69 camaro this was?
It says the GRUMP ,but I don't remember Grumpy Jenkins running in this class.
Help?
Quote from: gymratt30 on August 08, 2015, 06:27:38 AM
Thanks again UFO, I was able to get a good size file from the photographer to make a nice 8x10 enlargement.
:2thumbs:
:2thumbs:
All I can find is 69 ZL1 Jenkins car http://www.hotrod.com/cars/featured/ccrp-1004-bill-jenkins-chevy-zl-1-camaro/
There are pictures of Grumpy's Toy VI from September 1969 at US 30 Dragway and at the '70 Nationals in "Super Stock Racing the Family Sedan". Completely different paint scheme than the picture you have.
All I can find at the moment.
saw the superbird make a pass on here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9aacoaeKms
Quote from: gymratt30 on August 08, 2015, 06:32:38 AM
Does anyone remember who's 69 camaro this was?
Mike, Post that pic on the class racer forum. I would be surprised if no one could I.D. it.
UFO, I posted it, however within the Karl Gould thread.
Maybe I should just start a new thread over there asking if this is Grumpy Jenkins Camaro.
All of Grumpy's race cars we're named "Grumpy's Toy"
Mike,
Saw these on the web, didn't know if you already had them or not.
Jay
here is a video from this year at Carlisle. :D
https://www.facebook.com/john.gardoski/videos/vb.767325469999123/942768809121454/?type=2&theater