Well, after 20 years of ownership I've finally got around to buying a console for the car. Problem is when I received it I could tell the shipping process had damaged it in two places:
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How do I go about patching this up? Is there some sort of epoxy that I should use to plug up those pieces together? Thanks in advance guys...
If you have all the piece's the two part epoxy from Permatex works. It comes in a duel syringe.
If there is going to be some big gaps or holes you might resort to fiberglass on the inside and then smoothing it out with some plastic body filler. Getting the texture wright might be a little tricky. Cover it with vinyl/plastic paint when done. It looks like were the damage is, when installed in the car it will be somewhat hidden.
Yeah the front will be hidden for sure, and the top plate will even hold it all together, so I may just duct-tape it from behind (lol!), epoxy ir or maybe even leave it be. As for the side cracks, all of the pieces are there and I'm hoping I can glue it all together. Thanks for the suggestions...
Was the package insured and packed well?
If so I'd be looking to file a claim with the carrier. I know FedEx automatically insures packages up to $100.
If not, look for a strong plastic glue. It'll be REALLY tough to make the broken seam invisible on textured plastic.
Quote from: bill440rt on November 18, 2013, 06:00:14 PM
Was the package insured and packed well?
If so I'd be looking to file a claim with the carrier. I know FedEx automatically insures packages up to $100.
If not, look for a strong plastic glue. It'll be REALLY tough to make the broken seam invisible on textured plastic.
Talking to the seller about it now.
Uh....how do you take the shifter knob off? Lol...
loosen set screw under knob...unscrew knob to remove...careful...when you get to the end, the spring will throw the shifter button out
I think it's a really tiny screw on the shifter...
This is the way mine arrived....
Myk,
I'm not sensing any steam comin' outta your ears or underlying anger here. Are you back on your meds.
I'd be livid.
Quote from: A383Wing on November 18, 2013, 06:11:11 PM
loosen set screw under knob...unscrew knob to remove...careful...when you get to the end, the spring will throw the shifter button out
Ha ha thank you. I remember back in the day when I first took the knob off it did just that. In any case, ZOMG I'm so excited-I have a CONSOLE now!
I'd be livid as well. Did you buy a used one Myk or a repro?
Quote from: Ghoste on November 18, 2013, 06:58:55 PM
I'd be livid as well. Did you buy a used one Myk or a repro?
I bought a sub-standard one off of ebay. ::) As a matter of fact, I'm not even sure it belongs in a Charger, but it's better than staring at a naked shifter. I'll post pictures ASAP.
It looks correct from the photo at the top. It had a pretty big application list so there is a good chance its for a Charger.
it appears to be made of abs,just like the grill is,i used acetone on a q tip on the cracks & then held it together for about 5 min ,so far i have leaned on it by accident & it did not crack .
if that was mine , would stick it back together with super glue or similar , drill the ends of the cracks with a tiny drill bit to stop it spreading . then with a soldiering iron melt the crack together , both sides ( glue was only to hold the pieces in place initially while welding it together with a soldering gun/iron , don't go mad & try & do it all at once & get the plastic too hot & runny , but at the same time want good penetration with the heat so the crack melts together , once that's done & cooled both sides , with a suitable size ( enough to cover the damage & a couple of inches of the good inside, ) bondo spreader or piece of plastic , stick it over the damaged area with PU sealer / windshield glue , ie spread the PU sealer over the inside of the damaged area , then stick the spreader / piece of plastic on top & cover it with more pu sealer , once that's all gone off , that will add loads of strength to the repaired area & if melting of the plastic with the soldering iron has been done well , will never crack ,
, flat / block the repair & ad filler if necessary as you would to any plastic repair job on a bumper etc , then plastic primer , & a few good coats of high build primer , then flat & prep as normal , any paint shop can mix textured matt paint , then either gray scotchbright the whole console , then plastic primer , then 2 or 3 light textured coats over the repaired area , then one over the whole lot , or might get away with keeping the painting to a small amount as possible & flick the paint out along the side , & wont notice too much as its between the seat , & keep it off the top rear too, plus there are lots of shadows etc to take you eye away from stuff , although just as easy to paint the whole lot :yesnod:
there is another way ! a sleezy way to paint texture , with varing levels of success in small areas to blend in , you need to pratice to get the feel how it sprays out of a rattle can , use black paintable stone chip / under seal from 3m , you may need to give it a light flat (nib ) with 800 grit wet , to reduce the texturing as required etc then satin black from a rattle can , doing it this way your only painting minimal amounts ,
^^^WOW. I'll certainly give that a thought.
BTW here are some pictures of the console from ebay:
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Installed for kicks:
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I'll extract the console again to re-bulb it, as well as figure out what I'm going to do about repairing the broken pieces. As for the ebay auction itself, do I just leave things as-is with the seller, or what? In my opinion abuse and rough treatment from shipping companies is to be expected; the packing job on the count of the seller was a crap-job if I ever saw one but...for $350 I THINK I got an OK deal.
Again, thanks for your input guys...
Myk,
My opinion.....def looks correct and salvageable. With that said, damage caused by piss poor packaging is def grounds for a buyer/seller resolution in your favor.
Is it worth efforting such a resolution based on what you paid for the console though????
TanTop,
You're speaking to the art of our affliction not simple restoration. Bravo dude!
Quote from: twodko on November 19, 2013, 01:27:45 AM
Myk,
My opinion.....def looks correct and salvageable. With that said, damage caused by piss poor packaging is def grounds for a buyer/seller resolution in your favor.
Is it worth efforting such a resolution based on what you paid for the console though????
TanTop,
You're speaking to the art of our affliction not simple restoration. Bravo dude!
That's what I'd like to know: if you guys think I got a good deal despite the shoddy packing job and I should just forget the issue then I will. Despite the cracked areas, mildly faded paint and the slight crome-pitting I think it's in good shape.
PS: What are the seat belt-looking things on the top part of the back of the console?
gorilla glue? I gorrilla glued the main part in my 4 speed console where the two screws go.
Quote from: myk on November 19, 2013, 02:21:17 AM
Quote from: twodko on November 19, 2013, 01:27:45 AM
Myk,
My opinion.....def looks correct and salvageable. With that said, damage caused by piss poor packaging is def grounds for a buyer/seller resolution in your favor.
Is it worth efforting such a resolution based on what you paid for the console though????
TanTop,
You're speaking to the art of our affliction not simple restoration. Bravo dude!
That's what I'd like to know: if you guys think I got a good deal despite the shoddy packing job and I should just forget the issue then I will. Despite the cracked areas, mildly faded paint and the slight crome-pitting I think it's in good shape.
PS: What are the seat belt-looking things on the top part of the back of the console?
If I plunked down that much on an item and it arrived damaged I would be contacting the seller ASAP. Especially if it was packed poorly. The key to safe shipping is all in the packaging.
Put it this way, you paid for an undamaged item and received one that was.
What carrier did he use to ship it? Was it insured???
The seat belt retainers I believe were for C-body? Or perhaps B-body? Definitely not out of a Charger, although it is in essence the same console.
Yes, C-body but still same console shell.
the acetone on the console works great !!!!! just sayin. again
Quote from: bill440rt on November 19, 2013, 08:05:36 AM
Quote from: myk on November 19, 2013, 02:21:17 AM
Quote from: twodko on November 19, 2013, 01:27:45 AM
Myk,
My opinion.....def looks correct and salvageable. With that said, damage caused by piss poor packaging is def grounds for a buyer/seller resolution in your favor.
Is it worth efforting such a resolution based on what you paid for the console though????
TanTop,
You're speaking to the art of our affliction not simple restoration. Bravo dude!
That's what I'd like to know: if you guys think I got a good deal despite the shoddy packing job and I should just forget the issue then I will. Despite the cracked areas, mildly faded paint and the slight crome-pitting I think it's in good shape.
PS: What are the seat belt-looking things on the top part of the back of the console?
If I plunked down that much on an item and it arrived damaged I would be contacting the seller ASAP. Especially if it was packed poorly. The key to safe shipping is all in the packaging.
Put it this way, you paid for an undamaged item and received one that was.
What carrier did he use to ship it? Was it insured???
The seat belt retainers I believe were for C-body? Or perhaps B-body? Definitely not out of a Charger, although it is in essence the same console.
It was shipped via UPS. What sort of action do you feel would be adequate from the seller? I ask because I don't have any experience in this situation; this is probably the first time I've received anything from ebay and UPS that has been damaged.
Quote from: cdr on November 19, 2013, 10:58:40 AM
the acetone on the console works great !!!!! just sayin. again
Yes, thank you-I'll consider using that as well. The console isn't so badly damaged that I want to return or otherwise get rid of it, but it's still damaged and I'm unsure as to what sort of compensation I should receive...
At the very very least, you shouldn't have to pay for shipping but if it were me I would likely seek a total refund and see if the seller wants it returned. Thats just me though.
Quote from: Ghoste on November 19, 2013, 11:18:50 AM
At the very very least, you shouldn't have to pay for shipping but if it were me I would likely seek a total refund and see if the seller wants it returned. Thats just me though.
I like your suggestion on the shipping refund. If I were to seek a total refund however, I'm pretty sure I'd have to return the whole balky thing. Personally, I'd rather avoid paying $1K to buy another console, but as things sit right now something should be done. Now, let's see if the seller even bothers to respond to me.
Question: is it just me, or this console, or are these things really fragile? I remember when I first got this car 20 years ago about 1/2 of the original console was there, but the moment I uh...put some "unannounced" weight on it the whole thing shattered; is this normal?
No they don't take a whole lot of stress and I think they likely become more brittle over time.
Quote from: Ghoste on November 19, 2013, 11:47:19 AM
No they don't take a whole lot of stress and I think they likely become more brittle over time.
*Sigh* Should I have just gone with a 'repro shell and built that one up?
No, you should go with what feels right to you.
Myk,
The first thing to do, contacting the seller, you've already done. I don't know the what eRape's guidelines are but there is some bad juju that happens to sellers who get frequent negative comments from buyers. If the seller is a stand-up person he/she will make some adjustment in exchange for a good comment. Certainly none be of my business but if I were in your situation:
I wouldn't want the hassle of having to ship it back. This might be the resolution the sellers wants and will pay return shipping. I'd expect to receive the item in the sellers stated condition........no exceptions.
If you want to salvage the console petition for a full refund and negotiate from there. The seller might just agree in order to come away clean with no bad review. I have had a similar experience.....a full refund was offered in exchange for a positive review. In my case the item was a sun visor so returning it wasn't a packaging nightmare.
eRape monitors all disputes to insure a fair resolution is achieved. Seller and buyer can ask for mediation. Both party's must agree to ebay's decision.
Finally, since I'm so picky about our cars if the console that originally came with yours did not have those seat belt thingys, I wouldn't settle for one that's not year correct.
How much is a new console shell?
The consoles were crappy underbuilt items to start with.
The OEMs should know that whenever there is a console between the front two seats, sooner or later it's gonna see most/all of somebody's body weight resting on it. If not sitting on it, then putting their hands on it to hold themelves up as they lean or climb over.
Quote from: twodko on November 19, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Myk,
The first thing to do, contacting the seller, you've already done. I don't know the what eRape's guidelines are but there is some bad juju that happens to sellers who get frequent negative comments from buyers. If the seller is a stand-up person he/she will make some adjustment in exchange for a good comment. Certainly none be of my business but if I were in your situation:
I wouldn't want the hassle of having to ship it back. This might be the resolution the sellers wants and will pay return shipping. I'd expect to receive the item in the sellers stated condition........no exceptions.
If you want to salvage the console petition for a full refund and negotiate from there. The seller might just agree in order to come away clean with no bad review. I have had a similar experience.....a full refund was offered in exchange for a positive review. In my case the item was a sun visor so returning it wasn't a packaging nightmare.
eRape monitors all disputes to insure a fair resolution is achieved. Seller and buyer can ask for mediation. Both party's must agree to ebay's decision.
Finally, since I'm so picky about our cars if the console that originally came with yours did not have those seat belt thingys, I wouldn't settle for one that's not year correct.
How much is a new console shell?
Wow-a full refund, that'd be quite a blow to the seller. You know this is why I personally stopped selling on ebay-it was tough and I could get put under scrutiny for a lot of things if the buyer was critical enough. I'm pretty sure that if a full refund was the decision I'd have to send the console back. A new shell costs about $300 with shipping.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on November 19, 2013, 12:43:31 PM
The consoles were crappy underbuilt items to start with.
The OEMs should know that whenever there is a console between the front two seats, sooner or later it's gonna see most/all of somebody's body weight resting on it. If not sitting on it, then putting their hands on it to hold themelves up as they lean or climb over.
EXACTLY; what you said is the reason why it's taken me 20 years to get a console in this car. Truth be told I actually HATE the OEM console design; it's big, balky, unattractive, structurally weak and doesn't even have any cup holders! I've been planning to design a custom console that in theory would have been more aesthetically pleasing, functional (cup holders!) and most importantly structurally sound, but I can't come up with any ideas and I'm sick of starting at that empty space and naked shifter; so I caved and decided to buy this console.
Myk,
You might shoot MoparSal a PM, he seems to have a lot of parts.
At least contact the shipper and see if he had insurance on it. Maybe he could just give you a discount?
If you decide to fix it check out a product called plasti-fix. It smells terrible but it's a great product. Just use a dremel on the back side of the console to take off some material and then fill it in with the 2 part system. It's a powder and liquid so it will fill in all the gaps.
What's with the seatbelt hooks?
Quote from: twodko on November 19, 2013, 02:29:36 PM
Myk,
You might shoot MoparSal a PM, he seems to have a lot of parts.
Just might have to do that.
Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on November 19, 2013, 03:05:28 PM
At least contact the shipper and see if he had insurance on it. Maybe he could just give you a discount?
If you decide to fix it check out a product called plasti-fix. It smells terrible but it's a great product. Just use a dremel on the back side of the console to take off some material and then fill it in with the 2 part system. It's a powder and liquid so it will fill in all the gaps.
What's with the seatbelt hooks?
I like where you and Ghoste are headed with this; a refund of $60 to cover the shipping would be adequate. As for the seatbelt hooks, someone has suggested that this console came out of a C body...or something...
If you are looking to re-coup on this, your very first action should be to document everything, which you have done with photos.
Second step is to contact the seller to inform him how it arrived. He may be willing to offer something up front, or work out a resolution. Whatever that amount is entirely up to you and the seller.
Or, he can assist you in making a claim with the carrier. Information may be found on the packing slip. I had to assist a buyer with this, once.
Usually if it is poorly packed it may be deemed the fault of the seller for not packing it adequately and they may deny the claim.
If it was packed correctly and the box is damaged then it may be the fault of the carrier and they would cover it for whatever the seller insured it for. Does the box look damaged or dropped?
This whole process is actually very simple. Common sense, really.
Communication with the seller is key.
If you are knee deep in sh*t with this and can't repair it, let me know. Not here to push anything on anyone but I do have one listed in the classifieds on here. Complete with woodgrain tops, no cracks. Green.
Good luck. :cheers:
Good ideas Bill. Unfortunately, it's been about 2 days since I emailed the condition of the console and I haven't heard anything. I'd certainly hate for this situation to turn ugly...
I don't know about buying a repro unless you have all the hardware and chrome things on hand allready. You might have all that now. The one I posted a pictured of was shattered beyond repair but the chrome was in excellent shape. So I kept the hardware/chrome and sent back the plastic remains and hoped to get a partial refund. That didn't happen because there was no damage to the box, FedEx denied the claim.
It was the same situation, the seller did a sh!tty job on the packageing. He kind of made it up to me buy giving a good price on a shifter that was in excellent condition. I eventually found a console shell on feebay that was in about the same shape as yours and quite repairable. I feel your pain.
Quote from: squeakfinder on November 20, 2013, 06:44:48 PM
I don't know about buying a repro unless you have all the hardware and chrome things on hand allready. You might have all that now. The one I posted a pictured of was shattered beyond repair but the chrome was in excellent shape. So I kept the hardware/chrome and sent back the plastic remains and hoped to get a partial refund. That didn't happen because there was no damage to the box, FedEx denied the claim.
It was the same situation, the seller did a sh!tty job on the packageing. He kind of made it up to me buy giving a good price on a shifter that was in excellent condition. I eventually found a console shell on feebay that was in about the same shape as yours and quite repairable. I feel your pain.
I will say that all of the components on this console are in good to great shape; those pieces would be a nice finishing touch to a repro. Then again, if I were to spend the extra $300 to get a repro shell I could've just bought an OEM console in better shape to begin with. :-\
MKY, you are right about the console being fragile, mainly the big rear section where the stupid seat belt holders are on yours! :puke:
When I got my 69 Charger good 23 years ago my was cracked in that area. Crack is / was about 6 inches but all the parts fit tight. I pulled the console and used a 1/4 of Cat Hair (Slang for Fiberglass with long fibers) and while it was curing I stuck a few pieces of brazing rod (It was just handy) to act as re-bar then added another 1/2 coat after that.
Made it way stronger than new. I placed my had there more than once to help my fat butt out my accident :slap: and it has held.
Cuda Ken
Quote from: cudaken on November 20, 2013, 11:02:38 PM
MKY, you are right about the console being fragile, mainly the big rear section where the stupid seat belt holders are on yours! :puke:
When I got my 69 Charger good 23 years ago my was cracked in that area. Crack is / was about 6 inches but all the parts fit tight. I pulled the console and used a 1/4 of Cat Hair (Slang for Fiberglass with long fibers) and while it was curing I stuck a few pieces of brazing rod (It was just handy) to act as re-bar then added another 1/2 coat after that.
Made it way stronger than new. I placed my had there more than once to help my fat butt out my accident :slap: and it has held.
Cuda Ken
Damn that console. All it will take is one errant hand or foot and I bet a piece of that thing will break. Is the repro stronger or...strong enough to be functional?
Quote from: myk on November 19, 2013, 11:51:14 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on November 19, 2013, 11:47:19 AM
No they don't take a whole lot of stress and I think they likely become more brittle over time.
*Sigh* Should I have just gone with a 'repro shell and built that one up?
I would of said yes to that. Yup very brittle I have some gorilla glue in some parts of mine and I mean heavy duty super duty gorilla glue in the weak areas. It's holdin up fine so far.....
Well it's been almost a week and two emails later; suffice to say this seller isn't going to respond. Since I'm not used to dealing with bad sellers, is this the point where I take it up with ebay itself?
Edit: I tried to open a case with ebay but they're saying that I purchased the console as a "guest user" and have to go through paypal directly? I've been buying on ebay since 1999? What gives?
Myk,
Keep working ePay. It's a PITA but you deserve come out this on the upside.
Doesn't ebay own paypal?
Apparently I can't file a claim with ebay because I purchased the console as a "guest user." I tried to file with paypal but they don't have any record of my auction. I'm going to have to try to call an actual human being on that ancient, seldomly used device called the telephone..
Good luck man. :2thumbs:
Sorry about the trouble. Buying from strangers is a bitch. Shipping can make it complicated even from people you know.
Quote from: myk on November 19, 2013, 11:51:14 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on November 19, 2013, 11:47:19 AM
No they don't take a whole lot of stress and I think they likely become more brittle over time.
*Sigh* Should I have just gone with a 'repro shell and built that one up?
:yesnod:
Well, finally got a hold of someone on ebay, who sent me to paypal to file an actual claim. I guess as soon as they take a claim they email it to both the seller and the buyer. I told the paypal 'rep "good luck, because I've been trying to contact this seller for the last two weeks." No more than 10 minutes after I got off of the phone with paypal I got an email from paypal stating that the seller was fighting my claim.
Golly, I guess I'm glad to see the seller is still alive, right?
I hope it goes right for you Myk.
Thanks Ghoste and everyone else. With the seller refuting the claim paypal won't refund the money, which I understand. At this point all that remains is a partial refund, which I think is fair, or I then return the console for a full refund.
Honestly, I don't want to deal with shipping this thing back, as I can only imagine it will be expensive and difficult to do so. I'm hoping for the partial refund. If the seller had just responded to me initially and offered me a refund on the shipping, a mere $40, I would've taken it and the partially broken console despite everyone else telling me I should be out for blood. Oh well...
There used to be allot of used parts on feebay to choose from but not anymore. If it doe's happen that you wind up with the option of being able to send it back for a full refund. You'll have to start all over again. Partial refund sounds like the best option to me.
Yup-it's no wonder why some of those consoles go for a thousand dollars, easily...
A thousand?! Before the repops came along I used to see people ask as much as 800 for them but if people are paying a thousand easily then someone is getting ripped off!
Oh for sure; I see consoles, admittedly in really nice, resto-quality condition, going for AT LEAST $800, with BIN prices in the 4-digit range. It's usually the 4 speed ones that cost more....
Thats insane. People need to look around a little more carefully if they are actually paying that.
Question: My next door neighbor just told me that UPS was at my door to "pick up a package due to damage." Does Paypal and their resolution team really work that quickly? Furthermore, shouldn't I have been told that this was the final judgement? This is really odd...
I wouldn't think so but I really don't know. :shruggy: :shruggy:
Looks good in the car! :2thumbs: give me hope for mine. I picked one up locally from a lady that was giving it away for free!! She said it was her husbands, which I assume they either divorced or he died, but she didn't want any money for it... Just wanted it out of her garage. I sent my wife over to pick it up while I was at work so I didn't miss out on the chance of getting it. I was pondering the idea of restoring it and selling it because I found out it was for a C-body car, but now I am thinking about keeping it! It has one small crack in it that is easily fixable.
Quote from: sanders7981 on November 25, 2013, 08:06:27 PM
Looks good in the car! :2thumbs: give me hope for mine. I picked one up locally from a lady that was giving it away for free!! She said it was her husbands, which I assume they either divorced or he died, but she didn't want any money for it... Just wanted it out of her garage. I sent my wife over to pick it up while I was at work so I didn't miss out on the chance of getting it. I was pondering the idea of restoring it and selling it because I found out it was for a C-body car, but now I am thinking about keeping it! It has one small crack in it that is easily fixable.
Post up some pictures. Is it shaped any differently since it's for a C body?
Depending on the year but isn't the big difference in the C-body just that some have the seat belt clips on top and some have a different rear panel screwed on that either have a cigarette lighter or a lamp in them?
myk, if this craps out, move to plan B.
Fix the busted shell, sell it, buy a new repro shell, transfer over all of the goodies onto it. Install in the car. Enjoy. :cheers:
Yes, Plan B is excellent advice. :yesnod:
If you don't know how to fix a console, and it's not an easy task, why not just glue the parts back on and cover the whole thing in a nice leather? That is real easy to do, it's cheap, and it will look great! Heck an upholstery shop can do it real fast. I plan on covering my console when I redo my interior in all black leather.
Ok... Total brain fart on this one. It's been a awhile since I looked at this console. Not the same one as you got. I think it's from an A-Body... Not sure though. It will clean up really nice. The crack is toward the back of the box in the last pic. I think it was a little small looking sitting on the transmission tunnel... So I will probably restore and sell it.
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above pic is for "A" body...will not work in a "B" body
Quote from: bill440rt on November 26, 2013, 07:52:27 AM
myk, if this craps out, move to plan B.
Fix the busted shell, sell it, buy a new repro shell, transfer over all of the goodies onto it. Install in the car. Enjoy. :cheers:
Good idea. I'm just hoping that paypal doesn't instruct me to return the console to settle the matter. Would the shipping come out of my pocket? I don't want to have to pay for their lousy packing so that might be another point of conflict.
Question: does the repro shell have the compartment/bin molded into it, or is that a bolt-in piece? I already have a top plate that with a little TLC will be ok, and I could just buy the lights; this would serve as an acceptable work-in-progress as I tried to collect the other pieces.
Quote from: Dino on November 26, 2013, 10:30:39 AM
If you don't know how to fix a console, and it's not an easy task, why not just glue the parts back on and cover the whole thing in a nice leather? That is real easy to do, it's cheap, and it will look great! Heck an upholstery shop can do it real fast. I plan on covering my console when I redo my interior in all black leather.
That's not a bad idea either. Fortunately, the breaks in the console are hidden from the seats and the lower portion of the heater/AC thingy up front. What I'd like to do is replace the bulbs, fix the cracks/pieces and refresh the paint; I'd be satisfied with that...
The bin is moulded in.
http://www.tonysparts.com/newproductsB.htm
Oooo...thanks for that link!
Amazingly, your console isn't cracked where all the rest are. Go figure!
I wouldn't have bought it because of the seat belt clips though. In my mind, why would I spend all that money for something that doesn't look correct? If you keep it, buying a repro shell would work out as you've got all the other pieces to stick on there. Good top plates can be worth a good deal. Light bezels and the rear cover that aren't really pitted can be tough to find as well. I don't think yours looks hard to fix though. Some decent glue (or acetone as mentioned) and some patience and it will be hard to see the repairs unless you're very close with decent lighting.
Watch out for the repros as I've heard the mold has deteriorated over time and the fit/finish has suffered. The one I had was from the very first batch ever made and it was very nice.
The 4-speed components - especially top plates - are worth a fortune because there are so few of them.
Troy
Quote from: Troy on November 27, 2013, 03:45:56 PM
Amazingly, your console isn't cracked where all the rest are. Go figure!
I think its just because its shipping damage in this case.
hi
we are the manufacturer of the consoles and the only finish or fitment issues that i was aware of was when the first generation reproduction topplates came out.
the issue was that the topplates were too long and or not shaped correctly
our reproduction console has always worked well with original topplates and the reproduction topplates have been corrected for quite awhile now
one thing to remember is that the original topplates when new did not fit the original consoles perfectly
here is a link to a 1970 model introduction video that shows a console with topplates not fitting correctly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElVKdsHmP7A&list=FLRiNzOUagQ7Tejavby3xyhw&index=15 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElVKdsHmP7A&list=FLRiNzOUagQ7Tejavby3xyhw&index=15)
if you check out the video at 3:14 thru 3:30, and 8:53 (a different car) you can see how the topplates are aligned perfectly.
you can also see how the woodgrain colors on the topplates dont match either
we sell assembled consoles, with used original trim, and dont have issues with fitment of the original trim on the console bodies, it does take some time to adjust to improve on the factory fit as im sure the assembly line workers werent as detail conscious as we are today
there is/was a fiberglass reproduction console available that has always had fit and appearance issues, but ours are injection molded like the originals, and we do inspect the consoles prior to them leaving our facility for finish and appearance issues.
thank you
Tony
Thanks for taking the time to post up! Would you say your repro consoles are....strong enough to take a little weight on them? I'd hate to get one of your consoles and then just have it break because I placed my hand on it or something...
I have thought more than once about building a homemade console from plywood or particle board. Anything constructed like that would be very strong for the job.
I wouldn't even try to make it look totally stock, just something 15-foot-accurate that has provisions for decent cupholders somewhere. If it incorporated the stock console top plates & lights & trim that would already win 2/3rds of the battle in terms of appearance. The wooden areas visible on the sides could be covered with vinyl in the correct color & grain pattern.
How did we ever exist before cupholders? :lol:
Myk these consoles were never built to withstand any real pressure. You can usually put your hand flat on the top plate and gently apply pressure, but that's about it. A quick turn and lean to get something from the back seat may result in an 'oh crap' moment.
You could take a console and beef it up by applying reinforcement on the inside of the shell. It would take some investigating on what products to use but it may be worth it if you really insist on having to lean on that thing. :lol:
Yep, meant to be decorative and hold nothing heavier than the amps and like that you put in the compartment. Absolutely not meant for some girl to park on.
Quote from: myk on November 28, 2013, 01:26:34 AM
Thanks for taking the time to post up! Would you say your repro consoles are....strong enough to take a little weight on them? I'd hate to get one of your consoles and then just have it break because I placed my hand on it or something...
your welcome, no problem for me to respond
like some other members have said, they aren't made to lean or stand on,
you could probably lean on the console door as that area is sitting flat on a floor mounting on it, but not to put all of your weight on it.
the weak and most vulnerable area is the raised section to the rear of the console door.
reinforcing it may be an idea, but i would err on the side of caution and treat it easy
one advantage our consoles have over the originals is that they are new, not 40+ year old plastic that most likely is very brittle
thank you
and Happy Thanksgiving everyone
Tony
Quote from: TONY on November 28, 2013, 10:33:23 AM
Quote from: myk on November 28, 2013, 01:26:34 AM
Thanks for taking the time to post up! Would you say your repro consoles are....strong enough to take a little weight on them? I'd hate to get one of your consoles and then just have it break because I placed my hand on it or something...
your welcome, no problem for me to respond
like some other members have said, they aren't made to lean or stand on,
you could probably lean on the console door as that area is sitting flat on a floor mounting on it, but not to put all of your weight on it.
the weak and most vulnerable area is the raised section to the rear of the console door.
reinforcing it may be an idea, but i would err on the side of caution and treat it easy
one advantage our consoles have over the originals is that they are new, not 40+ year old plastic that most likely is very brittle
thank you
and Happy Thanksgiving everyone
Tony
Well Tony I might have to talk to you further as Paypal has finally made their decision: they want me to pack up the console and send it back, however I don't think it's that simple. Don't know about you guys, but I don't like the idea of letting this thing go AND possibly coughing up additional cash to ship it off, and with nothing to show for it! No console, no money, and now a thinner wallet because of having to ship this thing back? Secondly, what if the seller gets the console and claims that it's damaged even further? What happens then?
$1,000 is a correct estimate on paper but in reality you can get one for less if you take your time and shop around. I saw a new repro PG Classic top plate set sell for $227 on Ebay once, still kick myself for not buying it just because. I was able to find a new repro console shell for less on Ebay because the seller decided not to continue with his restoration. The light bezels and lenses can be had for a reasonable price at most places. Anyway, you get the idea but if you really shop around you can get everything and save $300-$400.
Quote from: myk on November 28, 2013, 02:21:12 PM
Quote from: TONY on November 28, 2013, 10:33:23 AM
Quote from: myk on November 28, 2013, 01:26:34 AM
Thanks for taking the time to post up! Would you say your repro consoles are....strong enough to take a little weight on them? I'd hate to get one of your consoles and then just have it break because I placed my hand on it or something...
your welcome, no problem for me to respond
like some other members have said, they aren't made to lean or stand on,
you could probably lean on the console door as that area is sitting flat on a floor mounting on it, but not to put all of your weight on it.
the weak and most vulnerable area is the raised section to the rear of the console door.
reinforcing it may be an idea, but i would err on the side of caution and treat it easy
one advantage our consoles have over the originals is that they are new, not 40+ year old plastic that most likely is very brittle
thank you
and Happy Thanksgiving everyone
Tony
Well Tony I might have to talk to you further as Paypal has finally made their decision: they want me to pack up the console and send it back, however I don't think it's that simple. Don't know about you guys, but I don't like the idea of letting this thing go AND possibly coughing up additional cash to ship it off, and with nothing to show for it! No console, no money, and now a thinner wallet because of having to ship this thing back? Secondly, what if the seller gets the console and claims that it's damaged even further? What happens then?
call paypal and talk to a live person and ask these questions to them
Quote from: A383Wing on November 28, 2013, 04:22:26 PM
Quote from: myk on November 28, 2013, 02:21:12 PM
Quote from: TONY on November 28, 2013, 10:33:23 AM
Quote from: myk on November 28, 2013, 01:26:34 AM
Thanks for taking the time to post up! Would you say your repro consoles are....strong enough to take a little weight on them? I'd hate to get one of your consoles and then just have it break because I placed my hand on it or something...
your welcome, no problem for me to respond
like some other members have said, they aren't made to lean or stand on,
you could probably lean on the console door as that area is sitting flat on a floor mounting on it, but not to put all of your weight on it.
the weak and most vulnerable area is the raised section to the rear of the console door.
reinforcing it may be an idea, but i would err on the side of caution and treat it easy
one advantage our consoles have over the originals is that they are new, not 40+ year old plastic that most likely is very brittle
thank you
and Happy Thanksgiving everyone
Tony
Well Tony I might have to talk to you further as Paypal has finally made their decision: they want me to pack up the console and send it back, however I don't think it's that simple. Don't know about you guys, but I don't like the idea of letting this thing go AND possibly coughing up additional cash to ship it off, and with nothing to show for it! No console, no money, and now a thinner wallet because of having to ship this thing back? Secondly, what if the seller gets the console and claims that it's damaged even further? What happens then?
call paypal and talk to a live person and ask these questions to them
Well, I just got off the phone with Paypal and as I feared, the packing and return of the console to the seller is completely on me. UPS stores are estimating it will cost at least $83 to ship it off, but they can't be sure until they have the console sitting in their store. Furthermore, Paypal also tells me that the seller can file an appeal with Paypal after I get my refund if they elect to do so, which means the case would be investigated again. This whole thing is just a mess. I'm thinking it isn't worth losing an additional $80 (minimally) for the sake of a refund that I'm not even guaranteed to get in the first place, and I don't have the time or the patience for a Paypal/internet battle. I think I might just fix this thing, then either sell it or live with it... :shruggy:
Oh, and I have 3 days to make a decision on this, according to Paypal...
Myk how much are you in for? If you don't mind me asking.
ups stores charge you to package it up and theyre handling fee
can you go right to a ups depot?
or just send it back thru the postal service, insured. you will save alot of $$
go to ups.com and calculate shipping from your zip code to his,
you will need to enter the dimensions and weight,
i believe you can have ups pick it up at your location, or if you prepay for shipping and print a label, you can drop it off at any place that ships ups and leave it with their out going packages (with their permission of course)
Quote from: Dino on December 03, 2013, 04:25:56 PM
Myk how much are you in for? If you don't mind me asking.
$411 with shipping.
Quote from: TONY on December 03, 2013, 04:30:06 PM
ups stores charge you to package it up and theyre handling fee
can you go right to a ups depot?
or just send it back thru the postal service, insured. you will save alot of $$
go to ups.com and calculate shipping from your zip code to his,
you will need to enter the dimensions and weight,
i believe you can have ups pick it up at your location, or if you prepay for shipping and print a label, you can drop it off at any place that ships ups and leave it with their out going packages (with their permission of course)
True, I'm sure the UPS estimate involves a packing/handling fee, but these consoles are so big, clumsy and fragile that outside of a crate and/or a professional packing job I don't want to take on additional risk; I suck at packing things anyway. BTW USPS' estimate is around $40, and that's just the shipping; packing and materials is still on me, and I can already see this shady seller claiming that the console was damaged by me on its way back...
Quote from: myk on December 03, 2013, 04:30:35 PM
Quote from: Dino on December 03, 2013, 04:25:56 PM
Myk how much are you in for? If you don't mind me asking.
$411 with shipping...
From what I saw, the console can be fixed, but if you want to keep the original grain it won't be easy. So now the question is do I invest more to make it right or take a hit and get it out of my hair? If you were dealing with an honest seller, he would send you a return shipping label. Obviously ethics are not high on his list so you may be worse off sending it back. It's a bit of a tough call. If the money wasn't an issue, what would you WANT to do with the console?
Quote from: Dino on December 03, 2013, 04:33:48 PM
Quote from: myk on December 03, 2013, 04:30:35 PM
Quote from: Dino on December 03, 2013, 04:25:56 PM
Myk how much are you in for? If you don't mind me asking.
$411 with shipping...
From what I saw, the console can be fixed, but if you want to keep the original grain it won't be easy. So now the question is do I invest more to make it right or take a hit and get it out of my hair? If you were dealing with an honest seller, he would send you a return shipping label. Obviously ethics are not high on his list so you may be worse off sending it back. It's a bit of a tough call. If the money wasn't an issue, what would you WANT to do with the console?
Send it back and buy a 'repro ($$$$$$$) or a nice used one ($$$$$$). But as I've learned, trying to do things on the cheap as I've tried to here can be complicated. The console is EASILY fixable and already looks great in the car but....I dunno man....
Quote from: myk on December 03, 2013, 04:44:56 PM
Quote from: Dino on December 03, 2013, 04:33:48 PM
Quote from: myk on December 03, 2013, 04:30:35 PM
Quote from: Dino on December 03, 2013, 04:25:56 PM
Myk how much are you in for? If you don't mind me asking.
$411 with shipping...
From what I saw, the console can be fixed, but if you want to keep the original grain it won't be easy. So now the question is do I invest more to make it right or take a hit and get it out of my hair? If you were dealing with an honest seller, he would send you a return shipping label. Obviously ethics are not high on his list so you may be worse off sending it back. It's a bit of a tough call. If the money wasn't an issue, what would you WANT to do with the console?
Send it back and buy a 'repro ($$$$$$$) or a nice used one ($$$$$$). But as I've learned, trying to do things on the cheap as I've tried to here can be complicated. The console is EASILY fixable and already looks great in the car but....I dunno man....
Sleep on it.
first of all, a complete console should never be shipped assembled.
the diecast toplates and rear plate should be removed and shipped seperately,
if this helps
we have a few imperfect console bodiess that we havent offered for sale prior,
there is a weird deformity next to the drivers seat, that once the seat is installed wouldnt be too noticeable,
it just isnt perfect so were going to offer them as seconds for $125 for the console body
i was going to advertise them later this week, but i figured it may help as an option
please email if youd like pictures of the flawed area of the console
Quote from: myk on December 03, 2013, 04:44:56 PM
Quote from: Dino on December 03, 2013, 04:33:48 PM
Quote from: myk on December 03, 2013, 04:30:35 PM
Quote from: Dino on December 03, 2013, 04:25:56 PM
Myk how much are you in for? If you don't mind me asking.
$411 with shipping...
From what I saw, the console can be fixed, but if you want to keep the original grain it won't be easy. So now the question is do I invest more to make it right or take a hit and get it out of my hair? If you were dealing with an honest seller, he would send you a return shipping label. Obviously ethics are not high on his list so you may be worse off sending it back. It's a bit of a tough call. If the money wasn't an issue, what would you WANT to do with the console?
Send it back and buy a 'repro ($$$$$$$) or a nice used one ($$$$$$). But as I've learned, trying to do things on the cheap as I've tried to here can be complicated. The console is EASILY fixable and already looks great in the car but....I dunno man....
Sounds like it's time to implement Plan B, myk. :yesnod:
Tony's deal seems a good one. At that price, you might even break even. And, have a new part to boot.
So much for those Paypal "guarantees" they always tout huh?
Quote from: Ghoste on December 09, 2013, 08:52:30 AM
So much for those Paypal "guarantees" they always tout huh?
EXACTLY. Now, I've been rather blessed with ebay/paypal and this is the first time I've had an issue, but this console ordeal is quite the reminder and learning experience, proving that any deal can go south at any time and it can end up costing someone just to get out of a bad situation, whether they were in the right or not. This is common knowledge but it escaped me until now.
since the console you bought had a good value to it, wasnt there insurance on the package?
Quote from: TONY on December 09, 2013, 04:38:45 PM
since the console you bought had a good value to it, wasnt there insurance on the package?
The seller didn't have any on it. Furthermore, I've never bought a "big" item like this (size, cost, value, etc.) that it didn't occur to me to insist on having it. Then again, I didn't understand just how fragile these consoles are, either; a learning experience I won't forget any time soon.
At this point I'm trying to decide what to do with all of it; I may part it out and buy one of Tony's deals or I may just put put some ketchup on it and try to eat it...