Have not seen or heard about this one before... Danny, on your mark... get set... GO!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-DAYTONA-CHARGER-/140633450261 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-DAYTONA-CHARGER-/140633450261)
Shows as Rick Knoble Arkansas R4 red white interior in old club records.Anyone from Ohio recall it XX29L9B386538 491 oh Miami Valley Inc Dayton, Oh 9/8/1969
Why no photo of the front?
his digital camera ran out of 35 mm film? :smilielol: :smilielol:
There maybe some front parts if the guy can find them
Question & Answer Answered On
Q: Hi Please send me more pictures. Is the wing/ nose in a known location or are they long gone. Also where is this car located? THanks Chris Nov-06-11
A: This car is located in NE Arkansas. I had been told where the wing,nose, and the rear glass were at but when I went to find them they were not there, I thought I found the rear glass but it was for an old dart or something. I'll get some pictures sent to you later today. Thanks
seems like there are several Daytonas with power windows....dont think ive seen one Superbird with them? Its not like Ive gone around documenting the cars ive looked at, Im just going off recolection here. :icon_smile_blackeye:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 06, 2011, 09:30:51 AM
There maybe some front parts if the guy can find them
Question & Answer Answered On
Q: Hi Please send me more pictures. Is the wing/ nose in a known location or are they long gone. Also where is this car located? THanks Chris Nov-06-11
A: This car is located in NE Arkansas. I had been told where the wing,nose, and the rear glass were at but when I went to find them they were not there, I thought I found the rear glass but it was for an old dart or something. I'll get some pictures sent to you later today. Thanks
his response makes it sound like the guy listing the car is not the same guy that owns it. i find it odd that someone could "misplace" such large (and valuable) car parts. he obviously knows what the car is, so why would he not have his ducks in a row before listing it?
Username shows listed for Texas, car in Arkanss. Wonder if it has the Daytona hood?
"IF YOU'RE UNDER CONTROL, YOU AIN'T GOING FAST ENOUGH."
How many more are still out there?
Six way seat,'68 style shifter knob and what looks like a rear speaker control.
wow cool optioned car :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Quote from: moparstuart on November 06, 2011, 12:39:53 PM
wow cool optioned car :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Yes, but what does everyone think of the condition.... i.e. how hard would it be to restore?
not positive but this car may be the one missing its fender tag and build sheet ??? anyone know for sure ???
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 06, 2011, 01:04:09 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on November 06, 2011, 12:39:53 PM
wow cool optioned car :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Yes, but what does everyone think of the condition.... i.e. how hard would it be to restore?
not enought pictures , if he really wants top dollar lots more pictures would help
the car seems legit, but my money is on the ebay ad being fake, due in part to the lack of decent photos and straight answers. not to mention the car appears to be several hundred miles away from the seller's location.
if the ad is legit, the owner needs to find his/her self a better listing agent.
Quote from: held1823 on November 06, 2011, 02:32:43 PM
the car seems legit, but my money is on the ebay ad being fake, due in part to the lack of decent photos and straight answers. not to mention the car appears to be several hundred miles away from the seller's location.
if the ad is legit, the owner needs to find his/her self a better listing agent.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 06, 2011, 01:04:09 PM
Yes, but what does everyone think of the condition.... i.e. how hard would it be to restore?
Frame rail showing thru front floor pan Allen. Hope thats not a sign of what the rest of the car is like. I'll bet golf balls won't stay in the trunk of this one.
Quote from: Davtona on November 06, 2011, 04:11:18 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 06, 2011, 01:04:09 PM
Yes, but what does everyone think of the condition.... i.e. how hard would it be to restore?
Frame rail showing thru front floor pan Allen. Hope thats not a sign of what the rest of the car is like. I'll bet golf balls won't stay in the trunk of this one.
looks like maybe a tarp was on it , but who knows how long its sat out with the back glass out of it ?
Quote from: Davtona on November 06, 2011, 04:11:18 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 06, 2011, 01:04:09 PM
Yes, but what does everyone think of the condition.... i.e. how hard would it be to restore?
Frame rail showing thru front floor pan Allen. Hope thats not a sign of what the rest of the car is like. I'll bet golf bags won't stay in the trunk of this one.
There, fixed it for you Dave... ;) :lol:
Quote from: moparstuart on November 06, 2011, 04:13:44 PM
Quote from: Davtona on November 06, 2011, 04:11:18 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 06, 2011, 01:04:09 PM
Yes, but what does everyone think of the condition.... i.e. how hard would it be to restore?
Frame rail showing thru front floor pan Allen. Hope thats not a sign of what the rest of the car is like. I'll bet golf balls won't stay in the trunk of this one.
looks like maybe a tarp was on it , but who knows how long its sat out with the back glass out of it ?
Often a tarp traps moisture and makes the rust worse... :Twocents:
confirmed: question just posted on ebay: fender tag is missing.
Looks like a rough life... Well worth restoring...........
Why is it the only ones I can afford look like this or worse? I'm still holding out hope for one to come along that I can just pounce on and take home. Time is on my side I think.
Well lets see missing all the important Daytona stuff, most of its floorpan sheetmetal, and now the fender tag too. Car is basically a wreck...AND I still look at it and think its a cool Daytona. What is wrong with me :brickwall:
I figured it might have got bid up to $40k before the lastest info came out...I will say $34,500 now.
I promised myself the next time I buy an old Mopar it will be a nice original or a done car....
Dave
wish i had some cash, I have most of the parts to put this one back together :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
I'd love to buy it just to stare it and say I own a XX car ;)
:eek2: I like it and likely obtainable wing :drool5: :drool5:. :eek2: and just sold my parts car :smilielol: :smilielol: :slap: (joking, it was a good car) So what is the real ball park for the missing parts need, all the stuff (looks to be rusty deck lid, wing, nose, fender scoops, etc ), is that 15-20k (but not more than 20k in original pcs?), is that a fair number assuming you find it? So the values still seem all over the place on of the Daytonas to me, Troy's nice car obtainable :drool5:, the last builder Y2 "apparently went for 72ish :eek2:. Visual mass hole floor board it seems. Like Stu's deal on red50 :drool5:0, it seems somewhat like a very wide range on a buyers market on a particular car selling. ie - Compared to Troys car, why should that Y2 or this car fetch more then 40k if they are going to spend another 70-120 anyway on top of purchase price . Please explain.
my opinion, NOT many folks have 120-170k available, nor could many qualify for that bank loan.
To purchase a project for 40,000-70,000 and pay as you go appears to be the logical solution. However, over time--you'll pay far more for that project than you would a turn-key 120,000 daytona.
I bet it will go for 35k what a POS but it is a real Daytona. Glad i have mine :icon_smile_big:
AMD + $$$
Wow, I have not seen that car in decades. Such a shame to see how far it has fallen. It was painted that brown color shortly after being purchased new. It's located only a few miles from where the original owner was from.
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on November 06, 2011, 09:07:34 PM
:eek2: I like it and likely obtainable wing :drool5: :drool5:. :eek2: and just sold my parts car :smilielol: :smilielol: :slap: (joking, it was a good car) So what is the real ball park for the missing parts need, all the stuff (looks to be rusty deck lid, wing, nose, fender scoops, etc ), is that 15-20k (but not more than 20k in original pcs?), is that a fair number assuming you find it? So the values still seem all over the place on of the Daytonas to me, Troy's nice car obtainable :drool5:, the last builder Y2 "apparently went for 72ish :eek2:. Visual mass hole floor board it seems. Like Stu's deal on red50 :drool5:0, it seems somewhat like a very wide range on a buyers market on a particular car selling. ie - Compared to Troys car, why should that Y2 or this car fetch more then 40k if they are going to spend another 70-120 anyway on top of purchase price . Please explain.
Pricing on a Daytona project is not linear compared to a restored car. Someone chasing their dream of a do-it yourself Daytona may spend more to get in the game on a project even though it needs everything.
Quote from: Aero426 on November 07, 2011, 09:59:16 AM
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on November 06, 2011, 09:07:34 PM
:eek2: I like it and likely obtainable wing :drool5: :drool5:. :eek2: and just sold my parts car :smilielol: :smilielol: :slap: (joking, it was a good car) So what is the real ball park for the missing parts need, all the stuff (looks to be rusty deck lid, wing, nose, fender scoops, etc ), is that 15-20k (but not more than 20k in original pcs?), is that a fair number assuming you find it? So the values still seem all over the place on of the Daytonas to me, Troy's nice car obtainable :drool5:, the last builder Y2 "apparently went for 72ish :eek2:. Visual mass hole floor board it seems. Like Stu's deal on red50 :drool5:0, it seems somewhat like a very wide range on a buyers market on a particular car selling. ie - Compared to Troys car, why should that Y2 or this car fetch more then 40k if they are going to spend another 70-120 anyway on top of purchase price . Please explain.
Pricing on a Daytona project is not linear compared to a restored car. Someone chasing their dream of a do-it yourself Daytona may spend more to get in the game on a project even though it needs everything with a little luck splashed in...
:iagree:
Over the years, I had positioned myself to able to "pull off a Troy-Trade" in order to get a Daytona. But, if I didn't have my former Charger 500 or Hemi Charger Project, I would have only been able to enter the Mopar-aero world via a low dollar major project like this. These Daytonas are like Gutenberg Bibles, there were only so many built, if you want one, you might only be able to grab what you can grab. Sometimes, timing is everything.
Quote from: Aero426 on November 07, 2011, 09:59:16 AM
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on November 06, 2011, 09:07:34 PM
:eek2: I like it and likely obtainable wing :drool5: :drool5:. :eek2: and just sold my parts car :smilielol: :smilielol: :slap: (joking, it was a good car) So what is the real ball park for the missing parts need, all the stuff (looks to be rusty deck lid, wing, nose, fender scoops, etc ), is that 15-20k (but not more than 20k in original pcs?), is that a fair number assuming you find it? So the values still seem all over the place on of the Daytonas to me, Troy's nice car obtainable :drool5:, the last builder Y2 "apparently went for 72ish :eek2:. Visual mass hole floor board it seems. Like Stu's deal on red50 :drool5:0, it seems somewhat like a very wide range on a buyers market on a particular car selling. ie - Compared to Troys car, why should that Y2 or this car fetch more then 40k if they are going to spend another 70-120 anyway on top of purchase price . Please explain.
Pricing on a Daytona project is not linear compared to a restored car. Someone chasing their dream of a do-it yourself Daytona may spend more to get in the game on a project even though it needs everything.
Ok, I do understand a male's weakness of mind and the way we talk ourselves into ..... Clearly asked, why did that Y2 appear to sell so high? All I can think of is a person found their old car or they had a real love for a Y2. I am just saying the money on the table to Troy's car or 3-4 others in the last 18months the Y2 rough builder seemed odd, heck the driver Y2 with the nose molded in did not bid up to that as I recall. The other question, so is the budget 20k a fair number to obtain all the rare Daytona stuff?
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on November 07, 2011, 03:48:07 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on November 07, 2011, 09:59:16 AM
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on November 06, 2011, 09:07:34 PM
:eek2: I like it and likely obtainable wing :drool5: :drool5:. :eek2: and just sold my parts car :smilielol: :smilielol: :slap: (joking, it was a good car) So what is the real ball park for the missing parts need, all the stuff (looks to be rusty deck lid, wing, nose, fender scoops, etc ), is that 15-20k (but not more than 20k in original pcs?), is that a fair number assuming you find it? So the values still seem all over the place on of the Daytonas to me, Troy's nice car obtainable :drool5:, the last builder Y2 "apparently went for 72ish :eek2:. Visual mass hole floor board it seems. Like Stu's deal on red50 :drool5:0, it seems somewhat like a very wide range on a buyers market on a particular car selling. ie - Compared to Troys car, why should that Y2 or this car fetch more then 40k if they are going to spend another 70-120 anyway on top of purchase price . Please explain.
Pricing on a Daytona project is not linear compared to a restored car. Someone chasing their dream of a do-it yourself Daytona may spend more to get in the game on a project even though it needs everything.
Ok, I do understand a male's weakness of mind and the way we talk ourselves into ..... Clearly asked, why did that Y2 appear to sell so high? All I can think of is a person found their old car or they had a real love for a Y2. I am just saying the money on the table to Troy's car or 3-4 others in the last 18months the Y2 rough builder seemed odd, heck the driver Y2 with the nose molded in did not bid up to that as I recall. The other question, so is the budget 20k a fair number to obtain all the rare Daytona stuff?
20 k sound fair but you may have to shop around alittle , and do some work to the parts your not going to find nos for that , or maybe at all . Some of the stuff to load up the nose may have to be aftermarket and hlp doors and fender scoops will be aftermarket also unless you get really lucky
Here is what it looked like before the new wore off. The car was shipped equipped with a six way seat, PW, AM/FM. As mentioned, it was R4 with a white interior and console. It was a bad mamajama.
Quote from: Aero426 on November 07, 2011, 08:17:35 PM
Here is what it looked like before the new wore off. The car was shipped equipped with a six way seat, PW, AM/FM. As mentioned, it was R4 with a white interior and console. It was a bad mamajama.
Wow great picture! It is definitely sad to see it in the state it is in now. :brickwall: Wonder why the switch from R4 to the brown so early on? :scratchchin: Interesting color combo at least.
Quote from: Aero426 on November 07, 2011, 08:17:35 PM
Here is what it looked like before the new wore off.
Strange color combo... survived long enough to be registered, then WTH happened? :rotz:
Quote from: terrible one on November 07, 2011, 08:24:10 PM
Wonder why the switch from R4 to the brown so early on?
The answer to the early repaint is pretty easy. Fill in the blank. Original paint Daytonas often looked like ____?
Quote from: Aero426 on November 07, 2011, 08:35:33 PM
Quote from: terrible one on November 07, 2011, 08:24:10 PM
Wonder why the switch from R4 to the brown so early on?
The answer to the early repaint is pretty easy. Fill in the blank. Original paint Daytonas often looked like ____?
You'll have to forgive my ignorance; I'm sure the answer is "shit," just did not know that they had issues. What was it about the paint? :scratchchin:
Still, kind of weird to switch the color to the brown/ orange combo, though I kind of like it for some reason. I do think I'd rather have red over white though! :drool5:
Quote from: Aero426 on November 07, 2011, 08:17:35 PM
Here is what it looked like before the new wore off. The car was shipped equipped with a six way seat, PW, AM/FM. As mentioned, it was R4 with a white interior and console. It was a bad mamajama.
Thanks for taking the time to look for and posting the pic. That is too cool! Thank you again for all you do with these cars!!!
Dave
Dave, thank you for the kind words.
Terrible One, yes you are correct. With all the paint work done after installation of the rear plug, and the new front clip, much of the car was repainted at Creative Industries, and often it left a lot to be desired. I will elaborate on the color change momentarily.
Quote from: Aero426 on November 07, 2011, 10:13:14 PM
Dave, thank you for the kind words.
Terrible One, yes you are correct. With all the paint work done after installation of the rear plug, and the new front clip, much of the car was repainted at Creative Industries, and often it left a lot to be desired. I will elaborate on the color change momentarily.
I see, that makes sense. :yesnod: Looking forward to your post on the color change and I second what Dave said; I love reading your posts and absolutely admire the wealth of information and documentation you've collected.
I don't have time at the moment to transcribe the entire letter from the original owner, but here are the high points:
There were two Daytonas at the dealership. One was black with a white stripe, and this car, R4 with a black stripe and white gut. He liked the black car because the nose seal was hidden by the black paint and did not look broken up. What turned him off was the paint on the wing did not match the tape stripe. That and the body was not prepped for black paint and was wavy and showed dings all over. The R4 car he "thought" must have been damaged in transit and had been repainted with considerable overspray on chrome and rubber. He also got a big discount because of this, and bought it knowing he would repaint it. (My opinion today is he probably did not realize his car was repainted at Creative and they simply did a poor job - ha!)
OK, so why brown? You have to think like a young guy in 1970! He spent several months considering color combinations for the upcoming paint job. By May of '70 the R4 was peeling off. He said he was "sick of seeing a red blob with a wing subdued with black".
He said, and here are his exact words: "I wanted to tone down the character of the car to become a sporty 'personal' car with a little accent on the design highlights. My choice was a '64 Plymouth metallic chestnut (a deep rich brown) which contains an orange radiance, dramatically harmonius with the '69 Dodge competition orange used on the stripe/spoiler. I made a pattern for the letters before removing the old stripe and masked them off when I painted the stripe achieving the same hole in the stripe effect as the factory tape. This (stripe) paint was mixed in semi gloss and adds contrast not only by coloors but reflecting gloss content..."
So as you can see, the guy put a LOT of thought into his car. It might look like turd brown today, but it obviously didn't when it was done on day two. Remember browns and greens were not seen with the stigma they seem to have today. Not everyone wanted to stand out like a boy racer, and some opted for a little class.
Awesome story and great info. I love the insight! It sure does make me wonder how it got into the shape it is in now though! :shruggy:
THANKS for sharing! :2thumbs:
Thanks for the background story Doug... actually makes a reasonable argument for the color change... still would not have changed it tho...
Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on November 06, 2011, 06:46:00 PM
Well lets see missing all the important Daytona stuff, most of its floorpan sheetmetal, and now the fender tag too. Car is basically a wreck...AND I still look at it and think its a cool Daytona. What is wrong with me :brickwall:
I figured it might have got bid up to $40k before the lastest info came out...I will say $34,500 now.
I promised myself the next time I buy an old Mopar it will be a nice original or a done car....
Dave
It's at about $28K with four days left so you may not be far off on the price.
Quote from: Aero426 on November 07, 2011, 10:37:13 PM
I don't have time at the moment to transcribe the entire letter from the original owner, but here are the high points:
There were two Daytonas at the dealership. One was black with a white stripe, and this car, R4 with a black stripe and white gut. He liked the black car because the nose seal was hidden by the black paint and did not look broken up. What turned him off was the paint on the wing did not match the tape stripe. That and the body was not prepped for black paint and was wavy and showed dings all over. The R4 car he "thought" must have been damaged in transit and had been repainted with considerable overspray on chrome and rubber. He also got a big discount because of this, and bought it knowing he would repaint it. (My opinion today is he probably did not realize his car was repainted at Creative and they simply did a poor job - ha!)
OK, so why brown? You have to think like a young guy in 1970! He spent several months considering color combinations for the upcoming paint job. By May of '70 the R4 was peeling off. He said he was "sick of seeing a red blob with a wing subdued with black".
He said, and here are his exact words: "I wanted to tone down the character of the car to become a sporty 'personal' car with a little accent on the design highlights. My choice was a '64 Plymouth metallic chestnut (a deep rich brown) which contains an orange radiance, dramatically harmonius with the '69 Dodge competition orange used on the stripe/spoiler. I made a pattern for the letters before removing the old stripe and masked them off when I painted the stripe achieving the same hole in the stripe effect as the factory tape. This (stripe) paint was mixed in semi gloss and adds contrast not only by coloors but reflecting gloss content..."
So as you can see, the guy put a LOT of thought into his car. It might look like turd brown today, but it obviously didn't when it was done on day two. Remember browns and greens were not seen with the stigma they seem to have today. Not everyone wanted to stand out like a boy racer, and some opted for a little class.
:coolgleamA: good story !! made for intresting reading ! thanks for sharing :cheers: :2thumbs:
Quote from: tan top on November 08, 2011, 07:34:57 AM
Quote from: Aero426 on November 07, 2011, 10:37:13 PM
I don't have time at the moment to transcribe the entire letter from the original owner, but here are the high points:
There were two Daytonas at the dealership. One was black with a white stripe, and this car, R4 with a black stripe and white gut. He liked the black car because the nose seal was hidden by the black paint and did not look broken up. What turned him off was the paint on the wing did not match the tape stripe. That and the body was not prepped for black paint and was wavy and showed dings all over. The R4 car he "thought" must have been damaged in transit and had been repainted with considerable overspray on chrome and rubber. He also got a big discount because of this, and bought it knowing he would repaint it. (My opinion today is he probably did not realize his car was repainted at Creative and they simply did a poor job - ha!)
OK, so why brown? You have to think like a young guy in 1970! He spent several months considering color combinations for the upcoming paint job. By May of '70 the R4 was peeling off. He said he was "sick of seeing a red blob with a wing subdued with black".
He said, and here are his exact words: "I wanted to tone down the character of the car to become a sporty 'personal' car with a little accent on the design highlights. My choice was a '64 Plymouth metallic chestnut (a deep rich brown) which contains an orange radiance, dramatically harmonius with the '69 Dodge competition orange used on the stripe/spoiler. I made a pattern for the letters before removing the old stripe and masked them off when I painted the stripe achieving the same hole in the stripe effect as the factory tape. This (stripe) paint was mixed in semi gloss and adds contrast not only by coloors but reflecting gloss content..."
So as you can see, the guy put a LOT of thought into his car. It might look like turd brown today, but it obviously didn't when it was done on day two. Remember browns and greens were not seen with the stigma they seem to have today. Not everyone wanted to stand out like a boy racer, and some opted for a little class.
:coolgleamA: good story !! made for intresting reading ! thanks for sharing :cheers: :2thumbs:
Agreed! Also agree with the appreication for Doug's tireless efforts! :notworthy: :notworthy:
Quote from: Aero426 on November 07, 2011, 08:35:33 PM
Quote from: terrible one on November 07, 2011, 08:24:10 PM
Wonder why the switch from R4 to the brown so early on?
The answer to the early repaint is pretty easy. Fill in the blank. Original paint Daytonas often looked like ____?
Oh come now, the original owner of my car liked it so much he wrote a letter to Chrysler...
Still there on ebay .Seems like the burnt out TX car was a quicker sale :Twocents:
:popcrn:
If that thing is going for almost 30k... then I think I'm SOL on that Orange Datyona I found... just crazy.
Ryan
Quote from: Davtona on November 06, 2011, 04:11:18 PM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on November 06, 2011, 01:04:09 PM
Yes, but what does everyone think of the condition.... i.e. how hard would it be to restore?
Frame rail showing thru front floor pan Allen. Hope thats not a sign of what the rest of the car is like. I'll bet golf balls won't stay in the trunk of this one.
I tried getting a guy to sell me a Daytona that wouldnt hold footballs, :eek2: No dice! original owner that wanted to drive it until it died or he died. This was in 1987 and the guy moved away. I havent been able to Columbo his ass and find out where he went.
Quote from: FJ5WING on November 10, 2011, 02:26:59 PM
I tried getting a guy to sell me a Daytona that wouldnt hold footballs, :eek2: No dice! original owner that wanted to drive it until it died or he died. This was in 1987 and the guy moved away. I havent been able to Columbo his ass and find out where he went.
perhaps someone made some notes on it, somewhere
I looked at daytona and superbirds in the NJ PA area got any detail color owners name location.I recall a few ever see the one from king of prussia pa
Wonder were this car ended up it was Jay Barleys its vin should be XX29L9B400586
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/Daytona_resized.jpg)
Looks like she sold for $45k :o
Good money for the car, someone has their work cut out for themselves.
From the way the auction went do you think the reserve was $45k?
Dave
There is no way that thing is work 45,000. No way.
Something smells fishy.
people are nuts . who knows what that car is going to look like after you blast it :shruggy: and so much important stuff missing
Daytona projects certainly are in a market of their own. To be able to get a hold of a project one is a feat in itself. I guess when/if the opportunity arises people are willing to pay that bit more than most would think. This makes us feel good about our project looking at what's included in the sale and the state of the economy ATM. Well done to who ever the proud new owner is and good luck. Hopfully the car gets the resto it deserves.
Tim
i've spent more money for a hell of a lot less over the years, and bet im not alone. if the bid was legitimate and the sale is completed, someone will own what is likely their dream car. the buyer will have a real, 1 of only 500, made daytona. how many of the people questioning the buyer's wisdom can lay claim to owning one of the other 499?
i was watching it.. the guy put in a bid with 3 seconds left, he may have put in 45k he may have put in 65k, we'll never know. but the 45k bid is definitely what the reserve price by the way the auction jumped to exactly that amount. the previous high bidder's max was 30k. I was seriously considering bidding, but would have never gone close to 45k anyway, so it's for the better.
Trav
it doesn't even have a fender tag. :shruggy:
Quote from: 69charger2002 on November 13, 2011, 10:28:21 AM
i was watching it.. the guy put in a bid with 3 seconds left, he may have put in 45k he may have put in 65k, we'll never know. but the 45k bid is definitely what the reserve price by the way the auction jumped to exactly that amount. the previous high bidder's max was 30k. I was seriously considering bidding, but would have never gone close to 45k anyway, so it's for the better.
Trav
when i sell something on ebay, i hate the anxiety caused by this type of bid sniping, but last second bidding is the smart way to buy anything listed there. why get into a weeklong peeing match over who is high bidder halfway through the auction? it doesn't apply so much to high reserve items like this car, but it can often times save the buyer a lot of money, just being patient until the bidding actually matters.
Quotebut it can often times save the buyer a lot of money, just being patient until the bidding actually matters.
:yesnod: i try to bid with about 5 seconds left
I think $45k was reasonable. I hope the person who bid on it looked at it first. i may be way off base but if one was to buy it for that amount and then pay someone $100k to restore it then you have $145k in a car you know is done right. I agree the no fender tag or buildsheet is a bummer but after all is said and done its a real Daytona. I hope who ever bought it finds us and shares the resto with us.
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 13, 2011, 11:56:12 AM
it doesn't even have a fender tag. :shruggy:
Daytona Superbird Auto Club has a copy of the window sticker and advanced shipping notice provided by the original owner in 1978. So the lack of a fender tag is something of a non-issue. All the relevant option codes. s/o number etc from the fender tag are present.
If the bid was real, 45k is plenty. I figured it would do close to 40k.
Quote from: 69charger2002 on November 13, 2011, 10:28:21 AM
i was watching it.. the guy put in a bid with 3 seconds left, he may have put in 45k he may have put in 65k, we'll never know. but the 45k bid is definitely what the reserve price by the way the auction jumped to exactly that amount. the previous high bidder's max was 30k. I was seriously considering bidding, but would have never gone close to 45k anyway, so it's for the better.
Trav
I was the 30k bidder. Just like Doug said, the fender tag missing was a non issue since we have the cars information. I also have all the missing Daytona specific parts so that was not a issue either for me. That car is a 100k job to make right. So that was my max. Someone had bid the day before 60 or 65k and retracted their bid. I had got an email from eBay notifying me that the reserve was met and I was not the high bidder. Same here, 45k was way more than I was willing to spend for her.
I wasnt aware untill I got emailed this daytonas significance
This car is the "Petroleum Advertising Car" from Arkansas' Carl Noble. Factory power windows, rear defog, rear speaker. Also has a power deck lid release. Miles = 92,500 in 1976. One of the original cars registered in the club.
Quote from: Devil on November 13, 2011, 12:42:17 AM
There is no way that thing is work 45,000. No way.
Somebody thinks it is. Good luck to him.
Quote from: Tim L on November 13, 2011, 01:35:00 AM
Daytona projects certainly are in a market of their own. To be able to get a hold of a project one is a feat in itself.
Well said. Its all relative. A little more $ and he has the car. That's the hard part. Those of us that remember when they were worth 10k and the guy wanted 15k all wish we had bought the car back then don't we. But 15k seemed like to much at the time. They will always seem expensive at the time I think.
QuoteSo the lack of a fender tag is something of a non-issue
really, . the missing fender tag is a big issue if your gonna resell the car . a car with a fender tag is worth more then a car without one . any way you look at it . c-mon guys that's just the truth . :slap:
Does it always come back to money, instead of a true appreciation for what these cars should be about? Is it too much to accept that some owners don't give a rat's behind about value? No one knows who the bidder is, so who is to say that future resell value is even a concern of theirs? Maybe the person has some past history with the particular car. Maybe $45,000 is every dime they could muster to obtain a daytona. Or maybe they have dollar bills coming out of their butt and money is simply not an objective. Regardless of the reason, the person now owns a real daytona. DSAC has documentation of how the car should be. Granted, the fender tag would be a nice addition, but is this any less of a daytona without it?
QuoteDoes it always comes back to money, instead of a true appreciation for what these cars should be about?
i agree big time .these cars were meant to be driven . not an f-ing trailer queen that goes from garage to shows back to the garage. not what they where meant to be . how many driver daytona's or superbirds you see out there . there money cars , that's what we've made then to be and this car is lacking . every car i've built has been scratching penny's to get them done . i understand that, i live that and my cars are no slouches . i would not sell them . they are numbers matching engines and trannys and more but there drivers and i'll do an burn out or power slide with the anytime. that's what these cars were to be drivers . not perfect beauty queens but when it comes down to superbirds and daytona's . you guys want them perfect . original everything . big bucks. which this car has none. everything is missing . it will never be original .
yep, clones suck don't they . but if it wasn't for clones kids now a day will never see i wing car . there off at a fancy indoor show some where . where they won't get wet in the rain . :Twocents:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 13, 2011, 11:37:01 PM
but if it wasn't for clones kids now a day will never see i wing car . there off at a fancy indoor show some where . where they won't get wet in the rain . :Twocents:
Not True.
Quote from: Aero426 on November 14, 2011, 09:25:57 AM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 13, 2011, 11:37:01 PM
but if it wasn't for clones kids now a day will never see i wing car . there off at a fancy indoor show some where . where they won't get wet in the rain . :Twocents:
Not True.
:iagree: Don't baby mine too much.................. Just hangin' out.......... :icon_smile_big:
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=86295.0;attach=163195;image)
and sometimes REAL Superbirds that get driven get caught in the snow too!!
:yesnod:
More high buck cars in the rain. These got all slopped up after a 60 mile ride to the track.
Quote from: Aero426 on November 14, 2011, 09:25:57 AM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 13, 2011, 11:37:01 PM
but if it wasn't for clones kids now a day will never see i wing car . there off at a fancy indoor show some where . where they won't get wet in the rain . :Twocents:
Not True.
I seen that Harley plant.
aren't we done with the 'no one with a real car drives them anymore' line?
Quote from: Aero426 on November 14, 2011, 09:25:57 AM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 13, 2011, 11:37:01 PM
but if it wasn't for clones kids now a day will never see i wing car . there off at a fancy indoor show some where . where they won't get wet in the rain . :Twocents:
Not True.
I wish now that I hadn't immediately edited my post, but I was trying to avoid touching off a firestorm about clones like i did a while back.
My comment simply asked if the line between a real daytona and a clone has gotten blurred over time. After recently looking through every post on this board, it seemed that nearly half of them were about clones, so there is obviously a huge interest in them. Rene commented that a clone is the only way most people will ever see a wing car on the street anymore, but in fact, they still haven't seen a wing car. I do get it, that the price of a real daytona makes one unobtainable for many, and with only 500 of them to go around, demand far exceeds supply. That is part of the allure of these cars for some people. It is certainly a driving force behind the desire to create a replica.
I've seen several comments on this forum about the cost of "creating" a daytona. People will throw $50,000, $75,000, and more into a clone. How is that not more unbelievable than someone bidding $45,000 for the real thing here? Granted, when this car is restored, it will have consumed more than double that amount of money, but which one makes more sense, at the end of the day?
Quote from: held1823 on November 14, 2011, 10:47:41 AM
... but which one makes more sense, at the end of the day?
It 100% depends on the person..... Every situation, albeit similar in nature, are unique in circumstance.......
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 14, 2011, 11:09:19 AM
Quote from: held1823 on November 14, 2011, 10:47:41 AM
... but which one makes more sense, at the end of the day?
It 100% depends on the person..... Every situation, albeit similar in nature, are unique in circumstance.......
Some people are happy with a mutt , and some people have to have the high dollar pedigree . . I have one of each but my purebreed one has lost all its paper work ,like the daytona that just sold :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: BTW i would gladly take this very highly optioned daytona even with its health problems .
Besides all of this..who is to say the build sheet and fender tag wont surface..I see them from time to time on e-gouge.And it is not about a debate on clone veris real on this site...everyone drives the hell out of them! :RantExplode: And even with my story it isnt about total cost even if it is a clone...its about how bad you want it! :Twocents:
Quoteand sometimes REAL Superbirds that get driven get caught in the snow too!!
yesnod
i dig that :cheers:
Wingcar in the snow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdjmf0B1VBc
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 14, 2011, 12:59:07 PM
Wingcar in the snow
Thats a nice looking car to be sitting in the snow. Probably a story behind why it is.
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 13, 2011, 10:05:57 PM
QuoteSo the lack of a fender tag is something of a non-issue
really, . the missing fender tag is a big issue if your gonna resell the car . a car with a fender tag is worth more then a car without one . any way you look at it . c-mon guys that's just the truth . :slap:
I Like to have an original tag and paperwork - But......The Daytona's have a secret weapon most cars don't......the Shipping List....VIN and SO number, dealer etc. No where to hide, No excuses.
I've said it before, but some people simply can't afford to pay top dollar for a done car, so projects have there place. Even though they will most likely have much more in it than it's worth ( maybe )
And the clone debate will go on for years, BUT, they only real difference between the price of a clone and an original,,,,,,is the price of admission. Irregardless of the intended use - My parts are priced the same , the body man gets the same amount, the interior guy gets the same amount, etc etc etc
And again clones also have there place ( albeit a smaller place ) Some don't care about originallity part of of it, they simply want the mystique that goes along with them
Quote from: Davtona on November 14, 2011, 01:24:25 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 14, 2011, 12:59:07 PM
Wingcar in the snow
Thats a nice looking car to be sitting in the snow. Probably a story behind why it is.
Yeah, the "rich guy" who owns it was out driving it. :rofl:
Im surprised at the bid but its not unbelievable. There are select few cars that I would pay more for than the next guy so maybe this Daytona is one of those cars that they just had to have.
:popcrn: interesting dynamics of values vs people desires over the years (not just Daytonas, 500s also), more so these last several yrs, in other words somehow a perceived value has a wider range to me it seems. I do not recall this many "builders" or nice Daytona/500s finding the national market in a given year, compared to say 6yrs ago, 10yrs ago or in the 1990s. So without some of the rare stuff, not far off the Y2 earlier this yr. ( :pity:I think I like them all :lol:)
:Twocents:
So did this Y2 indeed sell at the 70ish?
It seemed like a good builder, Did a member here get it?
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,81792.75.html
I usually don't comment on the technical knowledge you guys provide because I'm not that knowledgeable on these cars. Sure, smarter than most guys at any cruise night but feel stupid compared to most of you. I can though comment about this post being that I'm a guy that simply wanted a wing car. As some may remember, I bought the "project" from Musclecarfinders back in 2008. It was dumb luck that I found it and the only way I could get a "real" Daytona. I thought maybe someday a decent project superbird because of production numbers, but never a daytona. Even though most of the purists would consider my car junk, all I can say is it's real. I have no plans on selling it. I wanted one since I was 6 years old. Don't get me wrong, I saw Danes car and it was fantastic in my opinion and I can definitely see being much less paranoid driving that and possibly enjoying it more because of that than a real one. I just wanted a real one. I'm learing alot from you guys, searching for parts(frustrating at times) and enjoying the anticipation of driving it someday and isn't that what this is about. I hope some time soon when my car is done that I'll be able to make it to a meet, drive it on a track and meet some of you. Still hoping someone will be able to get me Murray Crows phone number or find my motor. Finders fee can be provided! Anybody have some used, beat up, bent but restorable z braces??
Tom
Quote from: r4daytona on November 14, 2011, 02:39:25 PM
Still hoping someone will be able to get me Murray Crows phone number or find my motor. Finders fee can be provided!
I had three deals with mr. Crowe... NEVER AGAIN! In our dealings, I found him to be truth challenged... BE VERY CAREFUL!
mr. Crowe moved to another state many years ago, but I believe that I have located him for you... I will email some information to you shortly. Don't be fooled by his awe-shucks good-ol-boy charm...
Have I mentioned...
BE CAREFUL!!!
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The project defination has changed .This was at one time considered a project that would have you upside down $$ in your investment .Nowadays they rescue the worst case scenerios (http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/100_2492.jpg)
And the Canadian daytona for $10 K had alot of lookers but no takers till pettybird rescued it http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=search2
.And the burnt and flattened severe rust cars are interesting buyers these days :Twocents: :Twocents:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 14, 2011, 04:40:58 PM
The project defination has changed .This was at one time considered a project that would have you upside down $$ in your investment .Nowadays they rescue the worst case scenerios (http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/100_2492.jpg)
:iagree:
:popcrn: :drool5: :drool5: :D :lol: :lol: And I would drive one like that one all day long as is groomed bullet proof driver and love it.......
Part of what I find interesting also is the idea that some of these "rough" builders as parts cars, if I had only picked up one of those parts cars some years back. :slap: I guess this car is an example of where the cars value w/ parts was not much more than the car w/no parts (and car people saga continues, not uncommon to cherry pick parts prior to selling within a cars life) :Twocents:
Allen, check your messages!
Quote from: learical1 on November 14, 2011, 05:44:37 PM
Allen, check your messages!
Will do... I've been out in the shop...
Does anyone know who bought the A&W Daytona?
Dave
Quote from: gtx6970 on November 14, 2011, 01:42:45 PM
I've said it before, but some people simply can't afford to pay top dollar for a done car, so projects have there place. Even though they will most likely have much more in it than it's worth ( maybe )
And the clone debate will go on for years, BUT, they only real difference between the price of a clone and an original,,,,,,is the price of admission. Irregardless of the intended use - My parts are priced the same , the body man gets the same amount, the interior guy gets the same amount, etc etc etc
And again clones also have there place ( albeit a smaller place ) Some don't care about originallity part of of it, they simply want the mystique that goes along with them
:iagree:
I have a Superbird but it just doesn't have the styling that the Daytona does. So....I'm in the process of building a Daytona clone right now. Unless the world comes apart, I will have a completed car for less than this project sold for. With the advantage that if I get rear ended by somebody on their cell phone, T-boned by somebody putting on their makeup, or front ended by someone who "thought the light was still green", for a relative pittance I can be back on the road again and driving. AND not risk ruining a piece of history in the process.
My :Twocents:
I didn't realize so many people had bad dealings with Murray Crowe. I have a close personal friend that grew up around Vicksburg, Mississippi... not far from where Murray lived. He knew Murray well and never said anything bad about him. I do not know him personally but know many people that knew him. In the 80's he had many hemi, 6pack, and other high end cars. He had an orange '69 440 Daytona. That car is now 3-4 miles from my house. After hearing stories of all the cars he had, I've wanted to try and find him and see if he still had anything.
Justin
"CornDog"