Just curious but what was the actual date that these wheels were recalled? And also out of curiousity what is the latest production date anyone knows of a car actually being ordered with these wheels? I don't have but a handful of 500's that I've seen that were ordered with these wheels. Personally I love the way they look, and think they look great on a 500.
The info I have immediately at hand states it as being September 13, 1968. For some reason I had always thought it was just a little further out than that?
September 13th, hmmmmm, I only know of a handful of 500's that have a build date earlier than that. So is it possible to have ordered a car say on September 9th, that would be built on say October 20th and it have had them on it?
If I had to guess, I'd say no. I can't see them still being supplied to the line or even using stock on hand once a recall notice came down.
Here is the document I had on the Recall Wheels that shows the 9/13 date Ghoste already mentioned. I would have posted it sooner, but as I was resizing it to post here, I accidentally saved the smaller version in place of the full size version. :flame: I was hoping maybe someone else had the same document and would post it so that I could re-save the full-size version. :rotz:
I don't know when they stopped putting the wheels on Assembly Line cars, but I am fairly confident they wouldn't have taken any orders for cars with the W23 option after the 13th. The document (as hard to read as it is now) does say that the Assembly Plants had already changed out some cars to the replacement wheels, so it looks like the change was in the works even before the 13th. There may have been very few cars which were actually shipped with those wheels, and fewer still that were really driven off the dealer's lot equipped that way.
That being the case, it's interesting to see as many cars as I've seen (pics of) on the show circuit wearing them.
With the repro's out now you'll be seing more ;)
Damn, forgot about the repops. :brickwall:
:icon_smile_big:
I only had 1 original recall wheel it was a 15 in with a 68 date on it.Later I turned up a stash of nos recall lug nuts
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/lugnutsnos.jpg)
in an older mopar mag(mid 90's) there is an article about a yellow 69 barracuda S convertible with the kelsey hayes re-call wheels , and if you look further into the article, it says the car was ordered in Vancouver ,British columbia and discovered in North vancouver,B.C. , kinda of a cool story as that is where i was born and raised, and still live , my dad recalls seeing this car 2 as a street thumper. srry 2 hi-jack, just thought it had soem relavence with the wheels and all , GO ON WITH THE THREAD :icon_smile_big:-MATT
Quote from: CHARGER_FAN on October 27, 2006, 04:28:11 PM
That being the case, it's interesting to see as many cars as I've seen (pics of) on the show circuit wearing them.
The other thing too would be that they are a very distinctive looking wheel and you'd notice them immediately. If you saw 300 cars at a show and 200 of them had Magnum 500's, and 90 had Torq Thrusts and the remaining 10 had recalls, it would seem like a lot. (10 out of 300 probably is a lot but I just use the numbers as a way to say they stand out in a sea of sameness)
I've only seen a handful of cars with the recall wheels on them at various shows over the years, and your right they definately stand out. You notice it right away.
I like the recalls on the 500 the best.I see a set of NOS at this years Mopar fest ( New Hamburg Ont. ) for a hefty $6800.00
65post do you have any more information on that car in the photo?
R4 red, white interior, 4 speed, white tail stripe? Nice looking ride. No headrest. I'm guessing on the 4 speed part, it appears to be a shifter sticking up in the photo.
Quote from: 65post on October 29, 2006, 08:23:09 PM
I like the recalls on the 500 the best.I see a set of NOS at this years Mopar fest ( New Hamburg Ont. ) for a hefty $6800.00
I saw those also.
That is a hefty price for wheels, but then again that is a very clean example.
Quote from: 69_500 on October 29, 2006, 09:46:19 PM
65post do you have any more information on that car in the photo?
R4 red, white interior, 4 speed, white tail stripe? Nice looking ride. No headrest. I'm guessing on the 4 speed part, it appears to be a shifter sticking up in the photo.
Sorry 69 500 I do not have any info on that 500.I just have the photos of it.Here are 2 more.
Thanks for the other two shots. I think I can identify the car now.
I don't think its a HEMI 500, but rather a 440 powered 500 with a crate HEMI in it. And I believe those are the repro Kelsey Hayes Wheels on it. If I'm not mistaken that would be the car that was formerly owned by Denny Guest.
??? I think the wheels for $6800. are repops also, or were offered as after market by Kelsey Hayes. The real recall wheels had beauty rings, not the chrome rim as shown in the photo. It's possible someone had some Kelsey Hayes boxes and some repop wheels in them. If they came from Mopar they would probably have been in Mopar packaging, but probably would never have reached a dealers parts department, although they undoubtedly came as an option on cars built before Sept 13/ 68. I think they look great, but I appreciate them a lot more on a correct build date car, just my 2 cents.
Quote from: Carl1 on October 31, 2006, 07:48:13 PM
??? I think the wheels for $6800. are repops also, or were offered as after market by Kelsey Hayes. The real recall wheels had beauty rings, not the chrome rim as shown in the photo. It's possible someone had some Kelsey Hayes boxes and some repop wheels in them. If they came from Mopar they would probably have been in Mopar packaging, but probably would never have reached a dealers parts department, although they undoubtedly came as an option on cars built before Sept 13/ 68. I think they look great, but I appreciate them a lot more on a correct build date car, just my 2 cents.
I think your right Carl1 about those set of recalls in the photo now that I think about it. I had a chance to buy a set years back and they did not have the chrome just the plain steal with the trim rings.
Didnt the ones that went on the cars have trim.And ones that were manafactured in the same time.That were available by the aftermarker specialty equipment suppliers speed shops etc.Not have the trim on them.And the current ones offered by speciality wheels differ somewhere in there construction.From the originals of there time .The current lug nuts are not even close as compared to the original ones Ive seen
There is a gentleman I know of that has a car that came with the police style rims, with dog dish hubcaps and had the Kelsey hayes recall beauty trim rims on the car. Now that is an odd combination. My thinking is that it was ordered with Kelsey Hayes, shipped that way, then the rims were recalled they put on the dog dish and added the dress up rings.
who makes the repop wheels again ?
Specialty wheel Corp out of Oregon
Have the prices stayed where they were when the repops first came out? I've thought of picking up a set. Didn't they make them in different sized, 16", and 17"
As far as I know, yes and yes.
You can find more recall wheel factory references at these links;
PIB bulletin No. 3 9-6-1968 Page one;
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/PIBs/1969/pib_3_page1.jpg
Page two;
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/PIBs/1969/pib_3_page2.jpg (Recall wheel info at top of this page)
PIB bulletin No. 8 12-13-1968 announcing the cancellation of the wheel availability;
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/PIBs/1969/pib_8.jpg
T/Ake care,
Barry
http://www.specialtywheelsltd.org/
It is my understanding the chrome rim versions are the Kelsey over the counter replacements.
Center caps, Lugnuts and correct trim rings were the hardest parts to get (in that order btw )
IMO they were the best looking wheel Mopar ever put out.
I got a few of those odd ball recall wheel lugnuts
Didn't the aftermarket versions also feature a much different center cap?
Quote from: Ghoste on November 11, 2006, 10:14:49 PM
Didn't the aftermarket versions also feature a much different center cap?
I don't know,,,, the only ones I've ever seen with caps were OE rims on cars.
Parts for the these wheels are harder to find than the wheels themselves
My one and only recall wheel I had found.Was missing center cap also.It looks like it experienced the lug nuts getting loose and drove on it .Enlarging the one of the 5 mounting hole .Theres a guy has V code C bodies PH23 Dan out of Wa state found some NOS.He should probably repo them .For the repo wheels
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/wheel.jpg)
I just ran accross a HEMI 500, that came origionally with the Kelsey Hayes recall wheels. It has been parked since 1972. However it doesn't currently have the recall wheels on the car. I wish the guy would sell me the car, but then again I don't have any $$$$$$ to buy such a car either.
So who exactly is doing the repop wheels and how good do they look?
2fast
Speciality wheel out of Oregon is doing these recall wheels
The famous 1969 "recall wheels" that Chrysler contracted out the manufacturing duties to Kelsey Hayes have surfaced in Mexico. When Chrysler returned the recalled wheels to Kelsey Hayes, they were shipped to Mexico and sold as aftermarket wheels.
http://www.autohobbydigest.com/mxwheels.html
So that's why all those buses keep crashing!
I only had the one recall wheel for years .And never found 3 more and sold that one .But did find in my town 383 69 charger coded for W23wheels.I sent that copy of its buildsheet to GG.I thought about buying the repo ones .But afraid to drive daily on rims worth 2K .For a daily driver car ,And potential for road hazzards potholes curb scrapes etc
Dave the Repro one's woudn't be worth the $2K. Or were you talking about the real ones?
I do believe that there are some differences between the actual recall wheels, and the ones floating around in mexico.
No they would be the repos .I heard there $2K if Im not mistaken.I gave up on buying the real ones and got rid of my W23 related parts.I sold EdXXHemi for his W23 coronet 20 recall lugnuts.
I think the repro rims are around $200 a piece or something like that. So not near what the origional's are bringing.
Quote from: 69_500 on December 17, 2006, 02:31:50 PM
Dave the Repro one's woudn't be worth the $2K. Or were you talking about the real ones?
I do believe that there are some differences between the actual recall wheels, and the ones floating around in mexico.
i don't know read the article
"The second example is most certainly an original recall wheel. This is a 15" 5x4.5" lug version version which might have originally been slated for a high option US market Charger. Close inspection shows that the gold paint carries a lot of overspary on the chrome steel rim and was most likely applied to give the unfinished aluminum a "handsome" finish. This taxi driver was not interested in discussing the possiblity of a sale or trade of his two Kelsey Hayes rims. This is the third set of original Kelsey Hayes wheels I have seen on the road in Mexico, one full set was the small 5x4" lug pattern version."
so where can you get the repops and how much do they cost? i tried the website no luck ???
Its specialty wheel out of OR .I will look for its side .I may go for a set.Just need to know much .Also curious what they weigh.As compared to a 15X7 rallye with trim and center
Contacts:
Specialty Wheels, Ltd.
19310 NE San Rafael St.
Portland, OR 97230
(503) 668-4793
specialtywheelsltd.org
Here is a set of original Kelsey Hayes recall wheels on ebay if anyone is interested. I am interested in a set in 17" but i need to come up with $2500 first. Or find one more dog dish for my steel rims. :icon_smile_blackeye:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MoPar-W23-Kelsey-Hayes-Recall-Wheels-B-C-Body-COOL_W0QQitemZ270260271433QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270260271433&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318
very nice but too rich for me !
I saw the "recall" repros at SEMA a couple of years ago. They were very nice looking. I told the guy that the only problem I saw with selling the wheels is that they don't look like factory wheels since almost no one has ever seen them on a car. Add to that if the guy is restoring his car back to original, his car probably didn't have them from the factory. If anyone is thinking of buying a set, I would go ahead buy a set plus a couple of extras. I wouldn't count on these wheels being available forever. Same goes for the Vector wheels. If they don't sell a lot of them, they'll quit making them altogether.
Quote from: hotrod98 on July 29, 2008, 12:26:22 PM
I saw the "recall" repros at SEMA a couple of years ago. They were very nice looking. I told the guy that the only problem I saw with selling the wheels is that they don't look like factory wheels since almost no one has ever seen them on a car. Add to that if the guy is restoring his car back to original, his car probably didn't have them from the factory. If anyone is thinking of buying a set, I would go ahead buy a set plus a couple of extras. I wouldn't count on these wheels being available forever. Same goes for the Vector wheels. If they don't sell a lot of them, they'll quit making them altogether.
they need to make the price better and they would sell alot more :Twocents: :Twocents: I would love to have a set of those 17in recalls !
I guess I missed the 17" version. The only one that they had at Vegas was either the 15 x7 or the 15 x 8 version.
Quote from: hotrod98 on July 29, 2008, 01:00:05 PM
I guess I missed the 17" version. The only one that they had at Vegas was either the 15 x7 or the 15 x 8 version.
how much are the regular one's
Quote from: moparstuart on July 29, 2008, 01:18:06 PM
Quote from: hotrod98 on July 29, 2008, 01:00:05 PM
I guess I missed the 17" version. The only one that they had at Vegas was either the 15 x7 or the 15 x 8 version.
how much are the regular one's
From their website the prices are as follows:
15x7 $1,948
15x8 $1,992
16x7 $2,170
16x8 $2,215
17x8 $2,504
Quote from: PocketThunder on July 29, 2008, 01:23:55 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on July 29, 2008, 01:18:06 PM
Quote from: hotrod98 on July 29, 2008, 01:00:05 PM
I guess I missed the 17" version. The only one that they had at Vegas was either the 15 x7 or the 15 x 8 version.
how much are the regular one's
From their website the prices are as follows:
15x7 $1,948
15x8 $1,992
16x7 $2,170
16x8 $2,215
17x8 $2,504
All of them are still out of my price range I could stretch about 1/2 that :Twocents:
That seems a lot higher than I was quoted at SEMA in 2006. But, they may have realized the limited market and decided to raise the prices accordingly. If one of my cars was coded for the recall wheel, trust me, there would be a couple of sets in my possession right now one way or another.
I keep harping on this, but many of the repros available now won't be available later. I'm stocking up on parts for future projects now. Many of the parts that Mike at BEA is producing are going to be a one time offering. I plan to buy one of his 70 Cuda grille assemblies even though my 70 has a perfect grille. And, if he decides to make the 71 cuda grille, I'll be his first customer. I've almost hit a bird several times in my 71 which would absolutely destroy that old brittle grille. Now that I have two 71's, I really want to have a backup grille.
I've learned not to wait until the last minute to buy these parts.
Point to my rambling...if you're car is coded for the "recall" wheels, I say borrow the money if need be and buy a set now. :Twocents:
I just love the look of them , would looke great on my dayclona :Twocents:
My car is not coded for recall's. It was built after the recall, i have 14" steel wheel with dog dishes. I sure do like the recall wheels though, maybe around christmas time i can use my bonus to buy myself a present this year.. :icon_smile_big: (last year it was a keisler 5-speed :whistling: )
Quote from: PocketThunder on July 29, 2008, 03:09:55 PM
My car is not coded for recall's. It was built after the recall, i have 14" steel wheel with dog dishes. I sure do like the recall wheels though, maybe around christmas time i can use my bonus to buy myself a present this year.. :icon_smile_big: (last year it was a keisler 5-speed :whistling: )
you can buy me a present too paul anytime :smilielol:
I will be sending the link to a few C500 owners that I know of that have cars that are coded for the W23 wheels the ebay auction. maybe one of them will pick them up.
those are the cars the originals belong on !
Wonder if the W23 wheels Hoffmans is selling were on here at one time
http://www.hoffmanswinnerscircle.com/69rtconvertible/index.htm
http://www.hoffmanswinnerscircle.com/69rtconvertible/Exterior_Related_Photos.htm
A couple of Kelsey Hayes recall B-bodies (The GTX is a 1 of 99 4 speed Hemi car, built the 1st week of production, said to be coded for the Kelsey Hayes recall wheels, double rare):
I sold all my NOS recall wheels luts .To go on a original W23 69 Coronet RT.seems these wheels favored the coronets :yesnod:.I had sent sometime back Galen a buildsheet for a 69 Charger 383 coded for W23 wheels
I bought one of the first sets of 15x6 from Specialtity Wheel about two years ago for $2300. My car isn't coded for them but I figured making one "bolt-on" change wouldn't hurt!!! :2thumbs: Also I'm going to put bias ply on soon and sell off the radials...
Quote from: MOPARHOUND! on July 29, 2008, 04:56:03 PM
A couple of Kelsey Hayes recall B-bodies (The GTX is a 1 of 99 4 speed Hemi car, built the 1st week of production, said to be coded for the Kelsey Hayes recall wheels, double rare):
am i wrong wasnt the recall wheels a dodge option only ?
A bodies had them but a different bolt pattern .C bodies could get them.As for B Bodies if you choose W23 you could get them
Re: Kelsey Hayes Recall Wheels
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2006, 08:19:52 PM »
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You can find more recall wheel factory references at these links;
PIB bulletin No. 3 9-6-1968 Page one;
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/PIBs/1969/pib_3_page1.jpg
Page two;
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/PIBs/1969/pib_3_page2.jpg (Recall wheel info at top of this page)
PIB bulletin No. 8 12-13-1968 announcing the cancellation of the wheel availability;
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/PIBs/1969/pib_8.jpg
T/Ake care,
I have yet to see a set of W23 wheels though in the smaller bolt pattern for an A body. I know that you could get them on them as well, but I haven't seen any yet. Does anyone have a picture of them?
Quote from: moparstuart on July 29, 2008, 07:35:32 PM
Quote from: MOPARHOUND! on July 29, 2008, 04:56:03 PM
A couple of Kelsey Hayes recall B-bodies (The GTX is a 1 of 99 4 speed Hemi car, built the 1st week of production, said to be coded for the Kelsey Hayes recall wheels, double rare):
am i wrong wasnt the recall wheels a dodge option only ?
no, we (work) had a RR droptop coded for them, 9/2 build date, so it would have gotten them.
I have yet to see a set of W23 wheels though in the smaller bolt pattern for an A body. I know that you could get them on them as well, but I haven't seen any yet. Does anyone have a picture of them?
They did have A body recall wheels I passed on a set of the 4 inch bolt pattern ones.They look like this.Those lugnuts must be hard to find 7/16 studs
http://www.sixpackfuryregistry.com/gpage3.html
There was a story in MCG sometime back about the numbers of cars and line models of cars that recieved W23 recall wheels
i have a 69 fury VIP 383 4BBL loaded B7 blue #,s matching w broadcast sheet showing W23...
Another fury from a back in the day road test.
Quote from: ph23vo on July 04, 2010, 12:45:00 PM
i have a 69 fury VIP 383 4BBL loaded B7 blue #,s matching w broadcast sheet showing W23...
:o this sounds intresting :yesnod: ............. :popcrn:
A friend of mine is doing a 69 Charger R/T Ragtop. He is using the 16" wheels, but had trouble finding the tire he really wanted.
finally running!
Quote from: ph23vo on August 30, 2010, 12:59:03 PM
finally running!
...but it's so powerful you need to keep it chained down?
Quote from: ph23vo on August 30, 2010, 12:59:03 PM
finally running!
:coolgleamA: anymore info ?? others found documented with the recall wheels , doubt there are any otheres left , if they were :shruggy: :popcrn:
yep 330 HP... though it has a lumpy cam and stuff so maybe 350hp! ooohhhhh... just got back from its first show and with no street miles i wasnt gonna drive it 100 miles+..
no other KNOWN W23 full size cars at this time...surely there are some out there...also if anyone has recall wheels for sale lmk dan 253 852 6618
I have had only one recall wheel.But will look out for them .Awhile back I did score 30 nos recall wheel lugnuts sold quickly .That went to W23 69 RT.Dont run across to often W23 acessories.I remember you had found a NOS center cap.Congrats of your Recall wheel car and your 6 pack Furys.Ive only seen 2 of them in all my years in the hobby
NOS recall lug nuts
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/lugnutsnos.jpg)
Read this where some guy found 2 of them W23s
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?p=1035906
XX.. i dont have any lug nuts... i have seen em around from time to time but i just use locking lugs where every nut is a lock..... i have 2 NOS center caps now recently found another one.... some day i,ll get a 6BBL fury in progress.. the economy has my pay down 50% so its tough... thanks dan
Twice in the last 25 Years I have seen a gold/bronze T-3 dart with the K.H. wheels about 20 miles south of San Francisco. looks like a bone stock car.
Quote from: Ghoste on October 27, 2006, 03:52:41 PM
If I had to guess, I'd say no. I can't see them still being supplied to the line or even using stock on hand once a recall notice came down.
This is correct.
When a recall is issued it is a violation of Federal Law to continue to use that part. So a Production Line Notice would have been sent to the wheel center and all the stock of KH wheels would have been removed, counted, and sealed away. Most likely they would have been counted and repackaged for return to the vendor - who often has a "make good" financial responsibility in the event of a part defect/safety recall.
At the dealerships - the parts must be returned to Chrysler and similarly they must be accounted for.
As a result, the only inventory that should still exist in the public domain is from those customers who did not return their vehicles for the recall, and any dealer who did not return parts inventory.
By the way, it is a violation of Federal Law to knowingly sell a vehicle with a recalled part or to sell that part as a stand alone item. Thus, you should sell such vehicle with NON-recall wheels, and include the KH wheels as a "freebie" with a written disclosure (i.e. the buyer signs a paper) that essentially states.... "the following items (description follows) are provided at no charge to the undersigned. The undersigned acknowledges the items provided are for display purposes only and are not for highway use on a motor vehicle."
I don't think the NHTSA got involved with the KH wheels. You're not wrong about what you're saying, but I don't think it applies here? Am I wrong?
The letter to the plant went out on 9/13/68 to stop putting them on cars. I'm not sure when it went to dealers.
i,m sure the INPLANT stoppage was at the end of august..official notice was mid september to dealers etc dan
Sept 10 letter to dealerships;
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipLetters/68_W23%20recall%20wheels%209-10-1968.jpg
Sept 17 to regional managers;
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipLetters/8-10-1968%20cast%20wheel%20recall.jpg
Pretty much standard recall language. In fact, its almost identical to what I would expect to see today.
Never forget these wheels were recalled for a safety concern. I would use them for display wheels only, not for driving.
Also, IF you should ever sell a vehicle with these wheels and the subsequent owner be injured as a result of their failure, you probably are looking at a MAJOR lawsuit against you for selling a wheel with a known safety defect (and while you will no doubt argue that you "didn't know", it will cost you an arm and a leg to defend yourself) - so always get an acknowledgement from the buyer that YOU have advised them that these wheels are for "display purposes only and not for street use".
In today's society its this kind of ambulance chasing BS that ruins things for hobbyists.
i,ve driven on my 5 sets for the last 25 yrs or so...sure anything COULD happen with any wheel on any car made by any manufacturer anytime but i can say mine are fine as i,m sure everyone else ,s who has original recall wheels is,... there,s probably only about 50 sets left in the usa maybe less.. my car is a real W23 car so its gonna have em on forever dan
I think the biggest problem with them was they all needed to be retorqed after being driven on and the lug nuts got loose . No one retorqed them like alloys need, and the centers broke out of them . Kelsey hayes sold the aftermarket sets with no problems .
My one and only W23 recall wheel I had found.Was missing center cap also.It looks like it experienced the lug nuts getting loose and someone still drove on it .Enlarging the one of the 5 mounting hole
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/wheel.jpg)
yo guys , not a big fan of these wheels . i've seen nice cars and these wheels kill them, sorry :D
Quote from: BigBlockSam on October 08, 2010, 08:46:38 PM
yo guys , not a big fan of these wheels . i've seen nice cars and these wheels kill them, sorry :D
sorry but recalls are the best looking wheels chrysler ever put on a car :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
i took this picture today at a car show with wayne
Thats an amazing pic for sure, but I disagree on the wheels Stuart. I feel the Magnum 500's are the best. Ill go with the Ford 15"ers though.
Quote from: BigBlockSam on October 08, 2010, 08:46:38 PM
yo guys , not a big fan of these wheels . i've seen nice cars and these wheels kill them, sorry :D
:o Rene!... Say what?!?!... :'( :icon_smile_big: :smilielol:
In Stock!... IMHO they will look great on my B5 Charger 500 & A4 Road Runner... :shruggy:
W23s will be on those two cars... might even on a B7 Mopar that I have... I believe they will sharpen up the otherwise monotone cars, and the blue/silver and silver/silver pairings will work! :nana: :icon_smile_wink:
There are some of my cars that I probably would not use them on... like my R4 Daytona, even though they did look pretty good on Dave Jones' Daytona.
Quotesorry but recalls are the best looking wheels chrysler ever put on a car drool5 drool5 drool5 drool5 drool5 i took this picture today at a car show with wayne
that picture is proving my point .i'd rather have color matched steelies :slap:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 09, 2010, 09:11:39 PM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on October 08, 2010, 08:46:38 PM
yo guys , not a big fan of these wheels . i've seen nice cars and these wheels kill them, sorry :D
:o Rene!... Say what?!?!... :'( :icon_smile_big: :smilielol:
In Stock!... IMHO they will look great on my B5 Charger 500 & A4 Road Runner... :shruggy:
W23s will be on those two cars... might even on a B7 Mopar that I have... I believe they will sharpen up the otherwise monotone cars, and the blue/silver and silver/silver pairings will work! :nana: :icon_smile_wink:
There are some of my cars that I probably would not use them on... like my R4 Daytona, even though they did look pretty good on Dave Jones' Daytona.
Mine are in stock too. :2thumbs:
To me, they look just right on a Daytona or Charger 500. :yesnod:
They've really got that 60's "vibe". :coolgleamA:
if you take the trim ring off how do they look???
I also love them on the right color. I will have a set with redlines eventually. Then I can switch between the magnums with polyglass gt's, the steelies with repop dog dishes and relines and then the recalles with redlines.....All bias tires too.
i dream of getting 15X8 chrome magnum 500's with 245 redline tires on all four corners of my 68 triple black charger r/t . that would look hot . plus it came from the factory with redline tires . :icon_smile_big:
:popcrn:
:popcrn:
IMHO white is the best color for them......That 500 sealed the deal for me back when Stu first posted them.
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 11, 2010, 03:44:28 PM
IMHO white is the best color for them......That 500 sealed the deal for me back when Stu first posted them.
I kinda think B5 Blue may be the best color for them... though the latest pic that Stuart posted makes the case for white very well! :scope:
Heck, they will work with all colors... :whistling:
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 11, 2010, 03:44:28 PM
IMHO white is the best color for them......That 500 sealed the deal for me back when Stu first posted them.
never really been a fan....until that pic of the White 500. :yesnod:
QuoteHeck, they will work with all colors...
Noooooooooooooo! please , please give me back my rims :smilielol:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on October 12, 2010, 11:08:45 AM
QuoteHeck, they will work with all colors...
Noooooooooooooo! please , please give me back my rims :smilielol:
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: they look good
My friend Pauls daytona has W23s on it
http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/2006/06/01/hmn_buyers_guide1.html
Quote from: BigBlockSam on October 12, 2010, 11:08:45 AM
QuoteHeck, they will work with all colors...
Noooooooooooooo! please , please give me back my rims :smilielol:
I wanted to see how they would look on your blue 1969 Super Bee... I think they would look great on it! But, I could not locate a full size picture of it... care to post one?................ :D
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 12, 2010, 11:23:04 AM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on October 12, 2010, 11:08:45 AM
QuoteHeck, they will work with all colors...
Noooooooooooooo! please , please give me back my rims :smilielol:
I wanted to see how they would look on your blue 1969 Super Bee... I think they would look great on it! But, I could not locate a full size picture of it... care to post one?................ :D
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What color is this one...? :scope:
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20047.0;attach=138260)
b-3 maybe ? that is what color my 70 convertlble satelite was from the factory and it looks close :shruggy:
Quote from: moparstuart on October 12, 2010, 11:34:40 AM
b-3 maybe ? that is what color my 70 convertlble satelite was from the factory and it looks close :shruggy:
B3 was my guess too, but thought it might be A4 or a non-original color like the GM color my Daytona has on it... With indoor pictures, especially under florescent lights, it is hard to tell.
it is B3. cool display are Carlisle, and a cool car.
those are still ugly wheels, though. I can't warm up to them. It's a shame Mopar never used 15" road wheels with trim rings.
i gotta admit there growing on me . a little
Quote from: BigBlockSam on October 12, 2010, 12:51:18 PM
i gotta admit there growing on me . a little
Use some Compound W23 before they spread. :rofl:
growing on me like a fungus :lol:
i'm going to put these polara wheel covers on mine ,untill i can aford the recalls . They look like a cheap knock off of the recalls to me and my 500 has 15 inch steels on it already !
Petty bird is suppost to be digging me out a set of these covers :shruggy:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 12, 2010, 11:32:27 AM
What color is this one...? :scope:
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20047.0;attach=138260)
it is definetly B3
I remeber those pics when it was for sale at fastlane clasic cars in Missouri some years ago.
Carsten
All this verbiage :blahblah: and nowhere did I see any mention of the dc.com Specialty Wheel group buy where the Recall wheels (called Warrior by Specialty) in 15x7 with powdercoated outers were priced at $1575 for the set as of Oct. 14, 09.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,62609.0.html
Shame, shame. I thought I had some of you trained better. :slap:
$1575 HELL NO!
Quote from: moparstuart on October 13, 2010, 02:43:24 PM
i'm going to put these polara wheel covers on mine ,untill i can aford the recalls . They look like a cheap knock off of the recalls to me and my 500 has 15 inch steels on it already !
Petty bird is suppost to be digging me out a set of these covers :shruggy:
HOOOOHAHAHAHAHA (in an evil tone)
Now you have to come to my meet!
plan too if the money holds out
that sounds cheap to me ,
Quote from: ph23vo on October 07, 2010, 09:19:41 PM
i,ve driven on my 5 sets for the last 25 yrs or so...sure anything COULD happen with any wheel on any car made by any manufacturer anytime but i can say mine are fine as i,m sure everyone else ,s who has original recall wheels is,... there,s probably only about 50 sets left in the usa maybe less.. my car is a real W23 car so its gonna have em on forever dan
Actually, "no".
You are saying yours are "fine" based on experience. The government says yours are susceptible to failure based on "testing". That makes your wheels far different from any other wheels out there on the market because you are driving around with a defined "potential" for a safety issue that could not only hurt you - but someone else.
The fact that you choose to continue to operate your vehicle in a "potentially" unsafe manner doesn't alleviate you from any legal responsibility should your 25 year old defective wheels fail. And, IF that failure should hurt someone else besides you - then you are pretty much screwed cause you don't have enough money to cover your butt.
Hide your kids, hide your wife, 'cause they attorneys be raping everyone up in your family to get the money.
My point is... they don't issue recalls because they are bored. And even though the potential for defect is small - it exceeds the statistical probabilities to be considered safe.
Thus, you should protect yourself from the safety side (display only) and liability side (display only and disclosure when you sell them).
Otherwise, I hope you have a good attorney.
Quote from: moparstuart on October 24, 2010, 08:10:44 AM
that sounds cheap to me ,
:iagree: That's what I paid. :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
Quote from: rainbow4jd on October 24, 2010, 10:11:09 PM
Quote from: ph23vo on October 07, 2010, 09:19:41 PM
i,ve driven on my 5 sets for the last 25 yrs or so...sure anything COULD happen with any wheel on any car made by any manufacturer anytime but i can say mine are fine as i,m sure everyone else ,s who has original recall wheels is,... there,s probably only about 50 sets left in the usa maybe less.. my car is a real W23 car so its gonna have em on forever dan
Actually, "no".
You are saying yours are "fine" based on experience. The government says yours are susceptible to failure based on "testing". That makes your wheels far different from any other wheels out there on the market because you are driving around with a defined "potential" for a safety issue that could not only hurt you - but someone else.
The fact that you choose to continue to operate your vehicle in a "potentially" unsafe manner doesn't alleviate you from any legal responsibility should your 25 year old defective wheels fail. And, IF that failure should hurt someone else besides you - then you are pretty much screwed cause you don't have enough money to cover your butt.
Hide your kids, hide your wife, 'cause they attorneys be raping everyone up in your family to get the money.
My point is... they don't issue recalls because they are bored. And even though the potential for defect is small - it exceeds the statistical probabilities to be considered safe.
Thus, you should protect yourself from the safety side (display only) and liability side (display only and disclosure when you sell them).
Otherwise, I hope you have a good attorney.
I don't ever recall (pun intended) seeing any documentation from the Feds, Chrysler or anyone else which states there was a defect in the wheel itself. The only "problem" mentioned in the commonly-available wheel recall document was that the lug nuts could loosen. If you look at any set of modern cast aluminum wheels purchased today, it'll have warning stickers about retorquing the lug nuts after "XXX" miles and periodically afterwards. If there is such documentation of a defect in the wheel as you've mentioned, I'd like to see it... seriously.
Just about ANY trial lawyer will take a case they think they can make a buck on through a judgement - or more likely, a settlement - and driving a classic car on the road probably makes most of us more susceptible to such if we were ever in a chargeable (at fault) accident. I personally haven't let fear of a lawsuit keep me from cruising around, and won't let it do so in the future either. It's still very wise to carry adequate limits of liability and perhaps an umbrella policy for sleep insurance (which is what I've done).
From my perspective, the W23 wheels are as safe as any other cast aluminum wheel out there - as long as the lugs are periodically retorqued.
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Quote from: hemigeno on October 25, 2010, 12:49:07 PM
From my perspective, the W23 wheels are as safe as any other cast aluminum wheel out there - as long as the lugs are periodically retorqued.
I agree completely. The problem is not the wheels in and of themselves. It's the loose nut behind the (steering) wheel that needs to check the torque.
Well, just to clarify a few more things....
1) Recalls don't "expire". They remain in place and must still be honored by the manufacturer.
2) You can look up any old recalls at this website.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls/recallsearch.cfm
3) Below is the actual recall notice and instructions (as they exist today). At that time, there would have been a formal announcement by the NHTSA with a letter sent to Chrysler detailing the recall. Thereafter, the instructional letters from Chrysler to its dealers would have went out (copies of those - I think - are posted in this thread).
The formal letter would have addressed the cause and effect. i.e. "potential that the lug nuts could work themselves loose and result in wheel separation from the hub during normal operations, leading to accident or injury"
The key message is that "re-torqueing" the lug nuts is NOT the fix. Most likely they determined that the material structure of the wheel allowed too much vibration to occur at the points of mounting which cause the lugs to loosen spontaneously, and thus a different lug nut, or re-torqueing was an inadequate fix. OR, the metal was too soft and it might actually crack or powder at the lug nut - creating space and thus loosening from vibration. Obviously, I'm speculating - but its clear that the lug nuts don't stay torqued and there's nothing you can do (or could be done at that time) to fix the wheel to alleviate this concern.
Make: DODGE Model: DODGE
Model Year: 1969
Manufacturer: CHRYSLER CORPORATION Mfr's Report Date: SEP 16, 1968
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 68V089000 N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: WHEELS:LUGS/NUTS/BOLTS
Potential Number of Units Affected: 595
Summary:
Consequence:
Remedy:
Notes:
POSSIBILITY THAT LUG NUTS MAY WORK LOOSE DURING OPERATION ON VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH SALES CODE W-23 CAST CENTER ROAD WHEELS. (CORRECT BY REPLACING 15" WHEELS WITH 14" CHROME WHEELS.) ALL WHEELS TO BE CHANGED BEFORE DELIVERY TO CUSTOMERS.
Loctite. That is all.
In a five year period and about 8ooo miles my original wheels never became loose! And I did check them often. But what I did find after I took the car apart for a resto was a hair line crack in the two front wheels from lug to lug.
How long they where like that I don't know? How many time high speeds where involved?? MORE THEN ONCE!
Ed
Quote from: XXHEMI on October 29, 2010, 05:55:29 AM
In a five year period and about 8ooo miles my original wheels never became loose! And I did check them often. But what I did find after I took the car apart for a resto was a hair line crack in the two front wheels from lug to lug.
How long they where like that I don't know? How many time high speeds where involved?? MORE THEN ONCE!
Ed
:o yikes Ed scary stuff !! , keep seeing these repop ones !! has the fault been rectified on these wheels now !! would of thought so but !! :scratchchin:
A shortcut to serious injury thats for sure.
DOT says my stock '68 pickup split-rims are unsafe too, but that doesn't make it illegal to drive on them. Nor am I eligible for a seat belt ticket just because my '96 Sunfire hasn't had the buckle recall serviced.
Quote from: Aero426 on October 25, 2010, 04:48:53 PM
I agree completely. The problem is not the wheels in and of themselves. It's the loose nut behind the (steering) wheel that needs to check the torque.
That's right; it's the nut that holds the wheel. :lol:
Anybody have a set of the repo ones and put a lot of mileage on them?
Quote from: elacruze on October 29, 2010, 11:52:02 AM
DOT says my stock '68 pickup split-rims are unsafe too, but that doesn't make it illegal to drive on them. Nor am I eligible for a seat belt ticket just because my '96 Sunfire hasn't had the buckle recall serviced.
Yep, not illegal to own or drive a "recall" vehicle or part - but - it is illegal to sell one or install one for use.
That's why I recommend selling the car with replacement wheels and throw in the W23's as "for collector purposes only - not for use". At that point, you at least put the blame on the next owner if he goes out, puts them on and drives them, and they fail.
Just sayin' -- use a little common sense and protect yourself from a big ass lawsuit that you would be sure to lose.
Quote from: UFO on October 30, 2010, 09:53:53 AM
Anybody have a set of the repo ones and put a lot of mileage on them?
i have originals with tons of miles on them!! :D dan
Quote from: elacruze on October 29, 2010, 11:52:02 AM
DOT says my stock '68 pickup split-rims are unsafe too, but that doesn't make it illegal to drive on them. Nor am I eligible for a seat belt ticket just because my '96 Sunfire hasn't had the buckle recall serviced.
Very true - its not illegal to NOT have the recall performed (unless you are a licensed automotive dealer - and at that point it IS illegal for you to sell a vehicle with an open recall).
My only point is.... in today's litigious society, where people sue each other for the littlest of things, do you really want to sitting in a court of law - being sued for 60 million dollars - because you "knowingly and with total disregard for the safety of others, operated a vehicle in an unsafe manner, leading to the death and dismemberment of little Kathy's stuffed kitty, causing her irrepairable mental anguish and emotional distress!"
Sounds silly, but you are almost certainly a guaranteed loser if you have any accident with the recall wheels. A good attorney will rape you.