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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Dodge-Charger-R-T-SE/173840291485?hash=item2879b0569d:g:h7kAAOSwNdFcjpwy&vxp=mtr
hmmm :scope: I see its got a vinyl top code :scratchchin: thought all 69s destined to have Sunroof , had no vinyl top installed at the factory so no V1*code on fender tag , it was down to the sunroof guys to put one on , to hide their handy work , I await to be corrected on any of this :cheers:
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Nice car for sure. Is that a 489 diff?
Very nice car, but why is there water in the trunk?
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GPMAAOSwnwpcjpxh/s-l1600.jpg)
:slap: & it didn't have a sunroof
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/foundBlackFlag60.shtml
Wow! Good find! These Chargers must be a hot commodity. It says numbers matching??? How far could they go? Or is the Hamtramck info wrong? That being said is this car legal to sell or buy???
Yeah seen that too. What's up with the water?
Quote from: kent on March 17, 2019, 07:50:27 PM
Nice car for sure. Is that a 489 diff?
A36 package had 3.55 gears & 8 -3/4 axle
see info on Barrys awesome site
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipDataBook/1969/69_Charger0019.jpg
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/
Quote from: 6bblgt on March 18, 2019, 06:57:01 AM
:slap: & it didn't have a sunroof
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/foundBlackFlag60.shtml
good find :cheers: maybe that explains the vinyl top code on the fender tag then .... :popcrn:
Fender tag says CRX for the seats but it looks like it has the fabric inserts
I thought C5X meant black with fabric inserts ??
:badidea: :hack:
Quote from: 6bblgt on March 18, 2019, 06:57:01 AM
:slap: & it didn't have a sunroof
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/foundBlackFlag60.shtml
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx5GwULPU90
Quote from: 70 sublime on March 18, 2019, 08:13:24 AM
Fender tag says CRX for the seats but it looks like it has the fabric insets
I thought C5X meant black with fabric inserts ??
It does... I have a '69 Charger 500 with C5X and it has its original seats, cloth/vinyl...
T
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 18, 2019, 10:12:55 AM
Quote from: 70 sublime on March 18, 2019, 08:13:24 AM
Fender tag says CRX for the seats but it looks like it has the fabric insets
I thought C5X meant black with fabric inserts ??
It does... I have a '69 Charger 500 with C5X and it has its original seats, cloth/vinyl...
T
In the pictures a few posts up
The picture of the red fender tag
Second row up from the bottom and third group from the left looks like it shows CRX
Am I looking in the right spot ?
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 18, 2019, 10:12:55 AM
Quote from: 70 sublime on March 18, 2019, 08:13:24 AM
Fender tag says CRX for the seats but it looks like it has the fabric insets
I thought C5X meant black with fabric inserts ??
It does... I have a '69 Charger 500 with C5X and it has its original seats, cloth/vinyl...
T
The seats in the above car don't look like the cloth/vinyl seats. They look like all vinyl/leather seats; just bad pictures which would lead the CRX code to be correct.
OK that makes more sense after looking at picture again
Quote from: 6bblgt on March 18, 2019, 06:57:01 AM
:slap: & it didn't have a sunroof
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/foundBlackFlag60.shtml
And yet, some people have told me I am wasting my time.......
The fender tag is a fake & the original XS29L9B366061 is dead & gone.
Maybe one of the foolish members here that defends VIN swapping will step up to the plate & buy this steaming pile of felony? :shruggy:
:smilielol:
Just trying to wrap my head around this deal for my own, and maybe other's, clarification.
The VIN tag for XS29L9B366061 only states the car is a Charger with a 440 and a given sequence number. If you purchased ONLY the primary VIN tag how would you know it was anything special? This car is an R/T SE, 440, sunroof car which you would only be able to determine from the fender tag or build sheet so why would you start with the primary VIN tag for XS29L9B366061? You would have to already have the car, match the VIN tag to the body, get a repop fender tag then track down the numbers matching engine/trans. Unless that VIN was tied to the rare fender tag/build sheet at some point in its life and someone knew that XS29L9B366061 was such a race combination why would it make any sense to VIN swap/body swap/clone this car based on the VIN alone?
I don't know the circumstances around the 2008 VIN auction but IF it was stated what car/option package this VIN went to then it could make sense to body swap but otherwise you're just guessing. What am I missing?
VIN tag was from a junked car + The fender tag is a fake = The guy that swapped the VIN should have spent his money more wisely. :Twocents:
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on March 18, 2019, 02:21:22 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on March 18, 2019, 06:57:01 AM
:slap: & it didn't have a sunroof
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/foundBlackFlag60.shtml
And yet, some people have told me I am wasting my time.......
The fender tag is a fake & the original XS29L9B366061 is dead & gone.
Maybe one of the foolish members here that defends VIN swapping will step up to the plate & buy this steaming pile of felony? :shruggy:
:smilielol:
Yup...this pic was from the Auction on 7/31/08
Glad to see I am not the only one that takes good notes Chris. :cheers:
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on March 18, 2019, 03:41:42 PM
Glad to see I am not the only one that takes good notes Chris. :cheers:
Lol yeah I used to...I saved all my stuff. tag is way out of line as well.. Nice car "looking" car though...Im a sucker for nice R6 ;)
Quote from: Dano 1 on March 18, 2019, 02:49:41 PM
Just trying to wrap my head around this deal for my own, and maybe other's, clarification.
The VIN tag for XS29L9B366061 only states the car is a Charger with a 440 and a given sequence number. If you purchased ONLY the primary VIN tag how would you know it was anything special? This car is an R/T SE, 440, sunroof car which you would only be able to determine from the fender tag or build sheet so why would you start with the primary VIN tag for XS29L9B366061? You would have to already have the car, match the VIN tag to the body, get a repop fender tag then track down the numbers matching engine/trans. Unless that VIN was tied to the rare fender tag/build sheet at some point in its life and someone knew that XS29L9B366061 was such a race combination why would it make any sense to VIN swap/body swap/clone this car based on the VIN alone?
I don't know the circumstances around the 2008 VIN auction but IF it was stated what car/option package this VIN went to then it could make sense to body swap but otherwise you're just guessing. What am I missing?
What you talking about tracking down original #'s matching engine & trans, after he's gone this far to fake you don't track those down, you just stamp your own #'s onto them. LEON.
HAS ANYBODY TOLD SELLER HE'S SELLING A FAKE? :scratchchin: :shruggy:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on March 18, 2019, 08:48:04 PM
HAS ANYBODY TOLD SELLER HE'S SELLING A FAKE? :scratchchin: :shruggy:
I asked how long he has owned the car and mentioned the tag was for sale on ebay
Left a link to this thread
Never got a reply
Pretty sure he knows.
Read the carefully worded ad description. :Twocents:
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on March 18, 2019, 09:38:54 PM
Pretty sure he knows.
Read the carefully worded ad description. :Twocents:
Yeah, I got that same impression. I asked him about it, no reply yet or maybe never. He might just try to play dumb.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on March 18, 2019, 08:39:40 PM
Quote from: Dano 1 on March 18, 2019, 02:49:41 PM
Just trying to wrap my head around this deal for my own, and maybe other's, clarification.
The VIN tag for XS29L9B366061 only states the car is a Charger with a 440 and a given sequence number. If you purchased ONLY the primary VIN tag how would you know it was anything special? This car is an R/T SE, 440, sunroof car which you would only be able to determine from the fender tag or build sheet so why would you start with the primary VIN tag for XS29L9B366061? You would have to already have the car, match the VIN tag to the body, get a repop fender tag then track down the numbers matching engine/trans. Unless that VIN was tied to the rare fender tag/build sheet at some point in its life and someone knew that XS29L9B366061 was such a race combination why would it make any sense to VIN swap/body swap/clone this car based on the VIN alone?
I don't know the circumstances around the 2008 VIN auction but IF it was stated what car/option package this VIN went to then it could make sense to body swap but otherwise you're just guessing. What am I missing?
What you talking about tracking down original #'s matching engine & trans, after he's gone this far to fake you don't track those down, you just stamp your own #'s onto them. LEON.
Fair point. The guy lists the restoration shop's number, maybe they were totally clueless but some of this stuff would have to have been done while the car was in-process in order for it to look right.
I'm still curious how they went from a generic VIN for a Charger R/T 440 to an R/T SE sunroof car, why not just go all in and make it a 4-speed etc. and wouldn't a sunroof be pretty damn hard to put in after the fact? Maybe they had a sunroof shell with a bad or missing VIN and it magically became an R/T SE 1 of 23. :shruggy:
The long heard ,believed production number of 69 Charger R/T SE sunroof cars was 29. That number came to be the accepted number, but it was determined by doing simple math,by the presumed percentage of believed sunroof cars produced, then that number was subtracted from the total production number of 69 Charger R/T SE cars built. I believe that the real production number of cars with the sunroof option is probably close to double the presumed 29 number based on how many I have personally seen. Hopefully the 29 number will be debunked once the sunroof registry proves there are more than 29.
Knowing that the numbers were (most likely) transferred to another car, the wording in his ad sounds suspicious. Nowhere does he say this car.
1969 Dodge Charger R/T SE factory sunroof in R6 Red. The car has had a full restoration on a solid rust free California car.
The car left the factory with:
power steering
power disc brakes
power windows
am/fm radio
buddy seat
Leather bucket seats
3 speed wiper
Air Conditioning
Automatic Transmission
White R/T stripe
White vinyl top
Performance Hood treatment V21
RARE Sunroof M51 option
The car underwent a complete restoration on a super solid rust free California car from Southern California. Factory color is R6 red. This is 1 of 23 R/T SE car made in 1969. ASC ( America Sunroof Corporation) was where the cars were sent to from the factory. Like the Daytona and Superbird at Creative Industries. They were sublet there. The car is numbers matched with 440 and auto transmission. It's a stunning Charger as it was when born in 1969. I'm reluctant selling it but not desperate so please be respectful. The car is sold as is where is. The car is 50 years old but has a second chance at life with maybe you? Question feel free to call the restoration shop. 8oo 6o7 4684
76o 898 8434 CP
Thanks for your time and happy bidding. Good Luck!
Ok so real nice car by the looks of the pictures. Yes?? So could this car be sold and registered legally?? Surly it's worth 30-to 50 G's for such a lovely tribute car?
I'm restoring my car for me not the value of it. If I was I'm way over budget. :brickwall: :lol:
I mean what's it worth as a clone??
Edit... at this time it's up to $61,000. If he had stated it was a clone would we be having this discussion?
Clone/tribute is different than swapping VINs.
Quote from: chargervert on March 19, 2019, 07:51:12 AM
The long heard ,believed production number of 69 Charger R/T SE sunroof cars was 29. That number came to be the accepted number, but it was determined by doing simple math,by the presumed percentage of believed sunroof cars produced, then that number was subtracted from the total production number of 69 Charger R/T SE cars built. I believe that the real production number of cars with the sunroof option is probably close to double the presumed 29 number based on how many I have personally seen. Hopefully the 29 number will be debunked once the sunroof registry proves there are more than 29.
chargervert - I believe you are spot on with your assumption. As I further amass cars for the registry, I am getting a good feel for survival rates on these early power sunroof cars. Currently, the survival rate for the 1969 sunroof Chargers is right around 15%. Taking into account that lower end models will have lower survival rates, and higher end models will have higher survival rates, there should be more R/T SE models that survive versus a XP29 base model with sunroof. Going with that assumption - and giving the R/T SE cars a survival rate around 33% or 1/3 - that would put the original production of R/T SE sunroof cars around 60 cars.
Scott.
Understood Homerr
I know I couldn't live with myself trying to pull that one off.
Too bad for the car. Nice car just the same.
the American sunroof corperation , must of kept a list of VIN numbers on the cars they converted for Chrysler or any other make , for reference / warranty if something goes wrong with the roof with in say a year or ... :scratchchin: if those records existed , prolly long gone by now
Quote from: sdweatherman on March 19, 2019, 10:02:36 AM
Quote from: chargervert on March 19, 2019, 07:51:12 AM
The long heard ,believed production number of 69 Charger R/T SE sunroof cars was 29. That number came to be the accepted number, but it was determined by doing simple math,by the presumed percentage of believed sunroof cars produced, then that number was subtracted from the total production number of 69 Charger R/T SE cars built. I believe that the real production number of cars with the sunroof option is probably close to double the presumed 29 number based on how many I have personally seen. Hopefully the 29 number will be debunked once the sunroof registry proves there are more than 29.
chargervert - I believe you are spot on with your assumption. As I further amass cars for the registry, I am getting a good feel for survival rates on these early power sunroof cars. Currently, the survival rate for the 1969 sunroof Chargers is right around 15%. Taking into account that lower end models will have lower survival rates, and higher end models will have higher survival rates, there should be more R/T SE models that survive versus a XP29 base model with sunroof. Going with that assumption - and giving the R/T SE cars a survival rate around 33% or 1/3 - that would put the original production of R/T SE sunroof cars around 60 cars.
Scott.
I believe that your registry will eventually prove that the numbers are higher than the presumed 29 number that has been circulated around for many years Scott.
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on March 18, 2019, 02:21:22 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on March 18, 2019, 06:57:01 AM
:slap: & it didn't have a sunroof
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/foundBlackFlag60.shtml
And yet, some people have told me I am wasting my time.......
The fender tag is a fake & the original XS29L9B366061 is dead & gone.
Maybe one of the foolish members here that defends VIN swapping will step up to the plate & buy this steaming pile of felony? :shruggy:
:smilielol:
That's what I think....
FAKE TAG !I compared it to our R/T SE Fender Tag, which I will NOT post here obviously, and there are some very subtle, albeit identifiable differences in spacing/borders etc., that leads me to believe that this is a "repop" Tag,
that,
although probably based off the original tag ? has been very carefully made to
"appear" original, things like put 1 screw in and bend up to crease, etc., nonetheless , IMO it's a repop !
Nice car, too bad it's a 69, a 70 would be more to my liking regardless of whether it's a rebody.... needs a 4 spd though
Sad really. Yes it is a real Yenko....
FWIW, the V21 on one of my cars is on top line also, but mine has no options in front of the V21. I do not know those two options off my head without looking. Getting to midlife old. Someone interested could study and figure out the two options in front of the V21 (B or P21 or whatever and V1W) and if they should be there. Pretty freaky optioned car to just appear. V21, nice colored RTSEs with tons of options would have likely some documented history, near cult followers and this cars history all stacks up not good it seems. Not to mention what thread has documented above.
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on March 20, 2019, 09:43:52 PM
Sad really. Yes it is a real Yenko....
FWIW, the V21 on one of my cars is on top line also, but mine has no options in front of the V21. I do not know those two options off my head without looking. Getting to midlife old. Someone interested could study and figure out the two options in front of the V21 (B or P21 or whatever and V1W) and if they should be there. Pretty freaky optioned car to just appear. V21, nice colored RTSEs with tons of options would have likely some documented history, near cult followers and this cars history all stacks up not good it seems. Not to mention what thread has documented above.
option codes on the top line look to be ok, the "B or P21" is the radio code "R21" which would be correct right where it is along with the V1W before the V21, BUT the tag does have other issues that I think discussing just gives the owner opportunity to correct it, kind of a double edge sword, information for correctness is good to point out the fakes But gives the Fakers the info they need to make a better fake :brickwall:
it's a FAKE tag with little basis in historical accuracy - the specifics of the FAKE tag do not really matter
The specifics can matter in some cases.
Fake fender tags are all over the place, the people that make them must be making money.
So, specifics........
Who are the fake tag makers & which one of them made this one for a VIN swapped car?
There are also people that help people with fake paperwork with details to make 'even better' fakes.
VIN swapped cars are all over the place too.
Losers with no scruples do what they do, hopefully everyone takes notice of who those people are & take their actions into account.
Threads like this can help everyone avoid ever buying anything from the fakers & frauds that help with & participate in numbers fraud & VIN swapping.
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on March 20, 2019, 09:43:52 PM
Sad really. Yes it is a real Yenko....
FWIW, the V21 on one of my cars is on top line also, but mine has no options in front of the V21. I do not know those two options off my head without looking. Getting to midlife old. Someone interested could study and figure out the two options in front of the V21 (B or P21 or whatever and V1W) and if they should be there. Pretty freaky optioned car to just appear. V21, nice colored RTSEs with tons of options would have likely some documented history, near cult followers and this cars history all stacks up not good it seems. Not to mention what thread has documented above.
This statement makes no sense, if there were no options in front of "V21" then your tag would be blank? :shruggy:
Ebay has a "report item" which allows the reporting of issues such as noted above.
Bit quiet at work...so did both the "contact seller" and "report item".... :D
Nice as it is...am I the only one that thinks that the white vinyl and the black V71 don't really belong together on the same red car...visually at least...just looks messy and disjointed in my opinion.
Quote from: alfaitalia on March 22, 2019, 12:57:40 PM
Nice as it is...am I the only one that thinks that the white vinyl and the black V71 don't really belong together on the same red car...visually at least...just looks messy and disjointed in my opinion.
I think the color combos play themselves rather "brilliant" as you Brits would say, most of your American musclecars touting hood black out treatments were often paired with different stripe colors/ vinyl top treatments/colors....
:2thumbs:
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 21, 2019, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on March 20, 2019, 09:43:52 PM
Sad really. Yes it is a real Yenko....
FWIW, the V21 on one of my cars is on top line also, but mine has no options in front of the V21. I do not know those two options off my head without looking. Getting to midlife old. Someone interested could study and figure out the two options in front of the V21 (B or P21 or whatever and V1W) and if they should be there. Pretty freaky optioned car to just appear. V21, nice colored RTSEs with tons of options would have likely some documented history, near cult followers and this cars history all stacks up not good it seems. Not to mention what thread has documented above.
option codes on the top line look to be ok, the "B or P21" is the radio code "R21" which would be correct right where it is along with the V1W before the V21, BUT the tag does have other issues that I think discussing just gives the owner opportunity to correct it, kind of a double edge sword, information for correctness is good to point out the fakes But gives the Fakers the info they need to make a better fake :brickwall:
I do not disagree with the consensus of not pointing out the specific issues for reasons noted by others. However some of us do want to learn more over time how to see the issues. But for most of us more importantly ..... is not to buy a faked up car obviously. And that is what the thread is doing which is really good. Thank you to those who caught it and pointed it out.
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on March 22, 2019, 08:12:21 PM
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 21, 2019, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on March 20, 2019, 09:43:52 PM
Sad really. Yes it is a real Yenko....
FWIW, the V21 on one of my cars is on top line also, but mine has no options in front of the V21. I do not know those two options off my head without looking. Getting to midlife old. Someone interested could study and figure out the two options in front of the V21 (B or P21 or whatever and V1W) and if they should be there. Pretty freaky optioned car to just appear. V21, nice colored RTSEs with tons of options would have likely some documented history, near cult followers and this cars history all stacks up not good it seems. Not to mention what thread has documented above.
option codes on the top line look to be ok, the "B or P21" is the radio code "R21" which would be correct right where it is along with the V1W before the V21, BUT the tag does have other issues that I think discussing just gives the owner opportunity to correct it, kind of a double edge sword, information for correctness is good to point out the fakes But gives the Fakers the info they need to make a better fake :brickwall:
I do not disagree with the consensus of not pointing out the specific issues for reasons noted by others. However some of us do want to learn more over time how to see the issues. But most importantly most of us.....it is not to buy a faked up car obviously. And that is what the thread is doing which is really good. Thank you to those who caught it and pointed it out.
Some get their panties all waded up over "exposing trade secrets " of the fender tag mystique, be it original tags or reproductions, mean while you have FB forums that are devoted to nothing but viewing/discussing Mopar fender tags
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on March 22, 2019, 08:12:21 PM
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 21, 2019, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on March 20, 2019, 09:43:52 PM
Sad really. Yes it is a real Yenko....
FWIW, the V21 on one of my cars is on top line also, but mine has no options in front of the V21. I do not know those two options off my head without looking. Getting to midlife old. Someone interested could study and figure out the two options in front of the V21 (B or P21 or whatever and V1W) and if they should be there. Pretty freaky optioned car to just appear. V21, nice colored RTSEs with tons of options would have likely some documented history, near cult followers and this cars history all stacks up not good it seems. Not to mention what thread has documented above.
option codes on the top line look to be ok, the "B or P21" is the radio code "R21" which would be correct right where it is along with the V1W before the V21, BUT the tag does have other issues that I think discussing just gives the owner opportunity to correct it, kind of a double edge sword, information for correctness is good to point out the fakes But gives the Fakers the info they need to make a better fake :brickwall:
I do not disagree with the consensus of not pointing out the specific issues for reasons noted by others. However some of us do want to learn more over time how to see the issues. But for most of us more importantly ..... is not to buy a faked up car obviously. And that is what the thread is doing which is really good. Thank you to those who caught it and pointed it out.
...and ebay keeps the listing up despite receiving at least a few reports no doubt...
Quote from: chargerperson on March 22, 2019, 08:22:58 PM
...and ebay keeps the listing up despite receiving at least a few reports no doubt...
I don't think Ebay is too concerned about the views/opinions from the self anointed guardians of automobile correctness when it comes to the ethical nonsense of rebodies/VIN swaps, who knows, perhaps this vehicle was refurbished/repaired/rebodied with the blessings of the local DMV/LEO at the time? (that does happen) unless one is the future buyer it should not be anyone's concern other than the buyers, as it may not be a concern at all on their purchasing decision? IMHO
Quote from: DAY CLONA on March 22, 2019, 08:47:41 PM
Quote from: chargerperson on March 22, 2019, 08:22:58 PM
...and ebay keeps the listing up despite receiving at least a few reports no doubt...
I don't think Ebay is too concerned about the views/opinions from the self anointed guardians of automobile correctness when it comes to the ethical nonsense of rebodies/VIN swaps, who knows, perhaps this vehicle was refurbished/repaired/rebodied with the blessings of the local DMV/LEO at the time? (that does happen) unless one is the future buyer it should not be anyone's concern other than the buyers, as it may not be a concern at all on their purchasing decision? IMHO
There is the issue of legality which you mention where there are certainly differing opinions. But there is also the issue of a correct description for an item listed on their website. "This is 1 of 23 R/T SE car made in 1969" is included as part of the listing. One might think ebay would like to have accurate listings, especially for more expense items. That would be good for business if people could rely on the information in the listings. Clearly one cannot rely on the information presented. Most anyone would independently verify but would also be good to know when inaccurate listings were pointed out, they would do something.
Quote from: DAY CLONA on March 22, 2019, 08:47:41 PM
Quote from: chargerperson on March 22, 2019, 08:22:58 PM
...and ebay keeps the listing up despite receiving at least a few reports no doubt...
I don't think Ebay is too concerned about the views/opinions from the self anointed guardians of automobile correctness when it comes to the ethical nonsense of rebodies/VIN swaps, who knows, perhaps this vehicle was refurbished/repaired/rebodied with the blessings of the local DMV/LEO at the time? (that does happen) unless one is the future buyer it should not be anyone's concern other than the buyers, as it may not be a concern at all on their purchasing decision? IMHO
Responses that mention "I don't think'' typically prove that point, just like you just did. :Twocents:
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on March 22, 2019, 10:54:25 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on March 22, 2019, 08:47:41 PM
Quote from: chargerperson on March 22, 2019, 08:22:58 PM
...and ebay keeps the listing up despite receiving at least a few reports no doubt...
I don't think Ebay is too concerned about the views/opinions from the self anointed guardians of automobile correctness when it comes to the ethical nonsense of rebodies/VIN swaps, who knows, perhaps this vehicle was refurbished/repaired/rebodied with the blessings of the local DMV/LEO at the time? (that does happen) unless one is the future buyer it should not be anyone's concern other than the buyers, as it may not be a concern at all on their purchasing decision? IMHO
Responses that mention "I don't think'' typically prove that point, just like you just did. :Twocents:
There is one! :pity:
2 Camps here:
The first knows this Car is a re-Body, and that the original body that came from the factory with that VIN/Fender Tag)also a repop), etc., was destroyed and no longer exits, making this Car no more than a "re-creation" of an Original example.
It would seem to me that this group of people back 20-25 years ago used to be the numerical predominant mindest,[/b in that most people deemed, or were of the opinion that re-bodied cars were FAKES !
Roll ahead 20-25 years
and we have what appears to me anyways, to be not just a growing acceptance of the practice of Re-Body'ing.... but indeed of the resulting Clones themselves ?
Does not make it legal which ever way you look at it. And even if it might be in some places it certainly does not make is right or acceptable....especially as one day it WILL be passed of as the real deal to someone who does not know better.
Quote from: Challenger340 on March 23, 2019, 08:32:07 AM
2 Camps here:
The first knows this Car is a re-Body, and that the original body that came from the factory with that VIN/Fender Tag)also a repop), etc., was destroyed and no longer exits, making this Car no more than a "re-creation" of an Original example.
It would seem to me that this group of people back 20-25 years ago used to be the numerical predominant mindest,[/b in that most people deemed, or were of the opinion that re-bodied cars were FAKES !
Roll ahead 20-25 years
and we have what appears to me anyways, to be not just a growing acceptance of the practice of Re-Body'ing.... but indeed of the resulting Clones themselves ?
Exactly, look at how the Corvette crowd evolved from decades of Zero tolerance for created/resurrected Vettes, to "today", where cloned/resurrected/ VIN swapped/restamped drivelines/tags/etc/etc on Corvettes are the accepted norm in the hobby... Mopar guys (always late to the game) are where the Vette guys were 25-30+ yrs ago, eventually the Mopar crowd will be complacent and accepting of the practice.... :Twocents:
Ebay could care less than if its correct ,,,or not .
they actually HOPE it sells to get there fees
Quote from: gtx6970 on March 23, 2019, 01:11:51 PM
Ebay could care less than if its correct ,,,or not .
they actually HOPE it sells to get there fees
Agreed, Ebay would only possibly prompt a concern if someone could actually prove that the vehicle is/was stolen....as far as a bunch of overzealous auto enthusiast blowin smoke and getting their collective panties in a bunch over a possible rebody, Ebay could give two shits... ;D
Im surprised nobody has posted up that they contacted the FBI....