i thought i'd bring the family daytona out of hiding and share a few photos. it is a b5/b7/440/auto car. it is not, and will not be, for sale. my parents bought the daytona new, and it saw daily driver usage until around 1977. amazingly, this is the only vintage photo showing the car that i have ever been able to find, and even then it was not the primary focus of the photo.
the nose has been awol since the 1970's. a lead-footed male owner, combined with the insurance company's dislike of high performance cars, meant it was not in the cards to have the nose replaced when the daytona rear-ended my grandparents' 1968 fury. the parents were adamant about not using fiberglass parts to replace the nose, so it has worn a regular charger front end ever since.
life somehow got in the way, and the car was more or less "out of sight, out of mind" over the years. other than moving it to their new pole barn two years ago, the car has not been outdoors since 1985, when the engine grenaded. it had sat on a car trailer, in the barn of a family friend, for over twenty years prior to the homecoming. now that the parents' interest in restoring it has picked up a little, it comes down to rounding up the funds to do so. i guess their advancing years have brought on a bit of nostalgia for the car, and it would be nice to have it finished while they are both still around to enjoy it.
after several requests over the last year or two, the buddies and i finally dragged it outside to shoot a few photos today. we dusted it off with a brush, hit the glass with some windex, and here is the end result.
Cool story and vintage picture.. But, I'm sort of confused.......... Is this your parent's Daytona that's picture at the beginning?
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Very cool! though i would put a nose on it! even if its fiberglass! more pics!!!!
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 11, 2011, 08:05:59 PM
Cool story and vintage picture.. But, I'm sort of confused.......... Is this your parent's Daytona that's picture at the beginning? :2thumbs:
the photos are all of the same car. the first one is from early 1970, estimating by how old my sister and i appear.
Quote from: held1823 on August 11, 2011, 08:17:56 PM
the photos are all of the same car. the first one is from around 1970, estimating by how old my sister and i appear.
So, are your parents going to restore it with your help?
Awesome story!! What was the original color of the car? B5 with black interior? :cheers:
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 11, 2011, 08:23:31 PM
So, are your parents going to restore it with your help?
that is the million dollar question. hopefully, a start on restoring it could occur sooner, rather than later, but only time and the checkbook balance can tell.
Quote from: randr on August 11, 2011, 08:15:49 PM
Very cool! though i would put a nose on it! even if its fiberglass! more pics!!!
rumor has it someone is thinking of building steel noses in the near future.....
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on August 11, 2011, 08:24:52 PM
Awesome story!! What was the original color of the car? B5 with black interior? :cheers:
the car was originally b5, with a b7 interior. (i went back and added that info after your question) the door panels were changed to black ones when the seats were customized in the early 1980's. the original headrests are still around, but i'm not sure if the blue panels are.
All I can say is "WOW". Do they still have all the original paperwork?
Wow, those seats remind me of a couch my Grandma once had!
Great pictures. Thanks for sharing. :cheers:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: Cool story what dealer was the car from .I show 409053 302 wa
Quote from: 70sixpkrt on August 11, 2011, 08:55:15 PM
All I can say is "WOW". Do they still have all the original paperwork?
just the warranty booklet and broadcast sheet. the dodge dealership is long, long gone, leaving little hope of obtaining the old sales paperwork. the statement of origin must have carried the "XS29" error, as the title was re-issued at some point. the dash plate and fender tag both read "XX29" as they should. no one was aware of the VIN issue on the title itself until i happened to read about it in a magazine article way back when. the (indiana) title to the car still shows the september 1969 purchase date, but has "corrected title" printed across the top.
Quote from: Aero426 on August 11, 2011, 10:05:56 PM
Great pictures. Thanks for sharing. :cheers:
id like to thank you for keeping the car under the radar until the parents were ok with it being brought up. it was a pleasure meeting you at indy. dad recalls talking to your dad via phone many, many years ago, and it was ironic he remembered your dad's name when i mentioned talking to you.
i want to also extend a thank you to danny for the same courtesy, as he has known of the car for some time. it is located near where he grew up, and we have had a few conversations about the car in the recent past.
Quote from: nascarxx29 on August 11, 2011, 10:50:48 PM
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:Cool story what dealer was the car from .I show 409053 302 wa
the daytona was purchased at Farthing Sales in Rushville, Indiana, twenty miles from where it has spent its entire life. this coronet r/t, also bought new at the same dealership, was traded in on the daytona. the r/t was a pet project of the mechanics' there, and was tweaked to run like a scalded dog, according to dad's tale.
dad worked at the chrysler plant here in town, and heard through the rumor mill that chrysler was going to build the daytonas. he told the salesman of his r/t that he wanted one, and the response was "no problem, we will get it for you". (true to his word, as here the car is) dad has often stated his only regret was in assuming the daytonas would all be built one way, or this one would have been a hemi car. as it was, the car was ordered/purchased sight unseen, with no idea of how it would be optioned.
cool car & story....
I noticed "lack of Charger script" on tail panel :shruggy:
Quote from: A383Wing on August 11, 2011, 11:37:18 PM
cool car & story....
I noticed "lack of Charger script" on tail panel :shruggy:
the charger emblem is just awol. it had one, and still has the mounting holes. while zooming in on the original photo to confirm this, i just noticed the chip in the right tail light lens. this project is getting more costly by the minute.
sorry, i somehow duplicated a post.
:o :coolgleamA: wow ! good story !! awesome load of pictures ! thanks for sharing all this stuff !! :cheers: :cheers: :drool5: :popcrn:
:2thumbs:
Looks like the car had a whole repaint at some point going by the door jambs with the striker and latch hardware being painted body color. Also, something about the rear stripe doesn't seem right. Can't put my finger on it yet but looks like it might be too big. I know it is missing the "DAYTONA" word on the stripe also so maybe that is it.
Nice story thought!
That is GREAT! Another B5/B7 Daytona from here in INDIANA!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on August 12, 2011, 07:26:13 AM
That is GREAT! Another B5/B7 Daytona from here in INDIANA!
MJ
Thats nothing....every 6 months another green Superbird turn up.
Quote from: FJ5WING on August 12, 2011, 07:42:12 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on August 12, 2011, 07:26:13 AM
That is GREAT! Another B5/B7 Daytona from here in INDIANA!
MJ
Thats nothing....every 6 months another green Superbird turn up.
Yeap, those Superbirds are a dime a dozen... :nana:
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 12, 2011, 07:47:21 AM
Yeap, those Superbirds are a dime a dozen... :nana:
With all due respect to those "lowly" Superbirds, that ain't a lie. :lol:
Interesting in that the first photo from 1970, the car is parked, headlights are already up, probably with a vacuum leak.
Awesome story & photos, thanks for sharing! That's going to be a good feeling, bringing a car like that back to life after all these years. Can the original motor be saved? It's amazing what can be rebuilt now-a-days that used to be considered nothing but a boat anchor.
Quote from: Aero426 on August 12, 2011, 08:20:33 AM
Interesting in that the first photo from 1970, the car is parked, headlights are already up, probably with a vacuum leak.
Most of the headlight vacuum components on my car are either new or very low mile OE takeoffs (except the nosecone lines and connectors/tees), but its headlights start creeping up after about 10 minutes. Seen a few other wing car photos from back in the day with headlights up, and those makes me feel just a little better. I'm not looking forward to tracking down the leak.
Quote from: resq302 on August 12, 2011, 06:34:23 AM
Looks like the car had a whole repaint at some point going by the door jambs with the striker and latch hardware being painted body color. Also, something about the rear stripe doesn't seem right. Can't put my finger on it yet but looks like it might be too big. I know it is missing the "DAYTONA" word on the stripe also so maybe that is it. Nice story thought!
the car has had four repaints over the years, starting with a complete one when it was a month or two old. before the car was even picked up, the dealer had done some repainting around the rear window. one day, dad happened to be at the dealership at the same time as the chrysler zone manager. when the dealership service manager informed the factory rep that a customer wanted paint issues fixed, the rep asked him what model of car. when told it was a daytona, the factory rep authorized the warranty work without even looking at the car, which was sitting outside.
at one point in the mid 1970's, the car was painted steel blue, without the stripe. the Daytona, in this color, is barely visible in this mid- 70's photo of the Torino that replaced it as the primary daily driver. the wheels on the ford might look familiar, as they were borrowed from the Daytona.
prior to the paint job found on the car now, it was also a candy apple red for a very brief time. the currently seen stripe was hand masked and spray painted on. it is nowhere near correct in its dimensions, but bear in mind, this is 30+ year old paint work done on a car that was nothing more than a typical used car at the time.
Quote from: Mopar John on August 12, 2011, 07:26:13 AM
That is GREAT! Another B5/B7 Daytona from here in INDIANA!MJ
I have to wonder if showing dad the thread about your car led him to think of how this car could look again. I might have to get you to fill my email inbox up with some high resolution pictures, to keep working on him. Speaking of emailing photos, I have a handful of nice ones that i took at Indy which feature a certain beer sponsored stock car you mentioned being fond of.
Quote from: hemigeno on August 12, 2011, 09:08:48 AM
Awesome story & photos, thanks for sharing! That's going to be a good feeling, bringing a car like that back to life after all these years. Can the original motor be saved? It's amazing what can be rebuilt now-a-days that used to be considered nothing but a boat anchor.
the engine was replaced twice under warranty, so this car was not numbers matching, even way back. on the second occurrence, dad says six of the eight rods made their own exit holes, just above the oil pan. if i can ever find the photo, this is the basis for an entertaining story about the car. the engine failure in 1985 saw the broken camshaft remove all of the lifter webbing above it in the warranty replacement block. the engine in the car now is from a '69 charger r/t.
Great story of this 1 owner car where you can document with pictures and 1 st accounts this daytonas living timeline history.The daytona I had from a original owner. Also told me his paint around the back window was peeling after a few weeks.
I do have that magazine need to better scan. The article was on the dressler unsold dealer owned daytona.Came with a XS on the manafactures statement of origin.Where the factory mistake would carry over to registered owners if DMV isnt aware
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/XS69Daytona.jpg)
great car , great story . Thanks for sharing with us your family stories . :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
You mentioned your car was titled in Sept 69.What a timeline
the 69 daytonas had to be built and delivered in order to quailfy for the innuagral race Sept 14 1969
:popcrn:
Ah so now I finally get to see how the car looks today. I have known about the car for quite some time, but had only a glimpse of it until now. Well unless you consider seeing it when I was a kid back in the early 80's. I will have to see if I have any pictures of it from when I was younger and when my dad was running around the same town in the R4 Daytona. I think I have some of his Daytona and the Green one that was up there in town at the same time.
I wish I had ran into you down there at the track the other weekend. Would have liked to have talked in person.
Quote from: held1823 on August 11, 2011, 11:29:26 PMdad has often stated his only regret was in assuming the daytonas would all be built one way, or this one would have been a hemi car.
As others have said..thanks for posting...awesome story!
Obviously history is what it is, but something rings a bell that originally all Daytonas were going to be build just with the Hemi ...no? I know I read this somewhere in magazines back in the mid 80s.
Quote from: StoneCold on August 12, 2011, 05:17:54 PM
Quote from: held1823 on August 11, 2011, 11:29:26 PMdad has often stated his only regret was in assuming the daytonas would all be built one way, or this one would have been a hemi car.
As others have said..thanks for posting...awesome story!
Obviously history is what it is, but something rings a bell that originally all Daytonas were going to be build just with the Hemi ...no? I know I read this somewhere in magazines back in the mid 80s.
Amazing story. :2thumbs:
You could be talking about how the dodge ads said all Charger 500's would have a Hemi, and that got changed?
rear seat springs made life a bit tough on broadcast sheets, but at least the right one found its way back into the car
i was having a conversation with dad today, regarding the actual date the car was purchased. he has long said it was september 19th, but hasn't checked the title yet. an old registration renewal form shows it as being purchased on september 18th. this form matches the plate number seen on the car in the photos i posted, but the renewal was never sent in, due to the engine being blown. the car has not been plated since. i was surprised to notice the incorrect XS29 designation was still on the form at this point in time. perhaps when dad gets the title out, it will show the date the document were corrected to read XX29.
making the purchase date more interesting is the date on the warranty card was filled out as being September 29th. i am guessing this is the date someone filled the form out, instead of the purchase date.
Quote from: 69_500 on August 12, 2011, 03:55:03 PM
Ah so now I finally get to see how the car looks today. I have known about the car for quite some time, but had only a glimpse of it until now. Well unless you consider seeing it when I was a kid back in the early 80's. I will have to see if I have any pictures of it from when I was younger and when my dad was running around the same town in the R4 Daytona. I think I have some of his Daytona and the Green one that was up there in town at the same time.
I wish I had ran into you down there at the track the other weekend. Would have liked to have talked in person.
i agree, danny, it would have been nice to meet and reminisce about the old days. this area has definitely seen more than its share of wing cars over the years. i imagine the presence of a chrysler plant had a lot to do with that. the green daytona you mention was bought new by phil roberts, a local barber. the roberts car came from goeke motors in noblesville. he sold the car to larry bell, who, if my memory is correct, was actually looking for a corvette pace car at the time. i believe larry would have owned it during the time frame you know of. the daytona was bell's first foray into the world of mopar muscle, but definitely not his last.
Great story awesome documentation and pictures. I had a extensive paper trail as well
The sales invoice showed final price $5155.75.As I recall it had the dealer temp paperwork when it was driven off Quaker Citys Dodge lot daytona annoucement card etc.The purchasing owner gave me all kinds of papework& copies .The reciept he couldnt find was after few weeks paint flaked off window plug area,He saved the original fanbelts and everything from this 22.000 mile car parked in 1977.
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/daytonadocument-1.jpg)
Great story, thanks for sharing. Its nice that your family has held on to all these years. :2thumbs: It sure seems like quite a few Daytonas went to Indiana...
Indiana got its share of wing cars :Twocents: .There was a place in Warsaw IN always had alot of wing cars for sale
Quote from: nascarxx29 on August 15, 2011, 10:51:20 AM
Indiana got its share of wing cars :Twocents: .There was a place in Warsaw IN always had alot of wing cars for sale
i think this might be starting to mix apples with oranges. are we talking new car deliveries, or reselling wing cars over the last forty years? both topics make for good reading, but are completely different scenarios. i've been lost ever since the paperwork for 410772 joined the thread....
The sales paperwork AKA invoice is typical of what a 1st buyer recieved.If you car got anything similar to that given example
" I have to wonder if showing dad the thread about your car led him to think of how his car could look again"
I have had many comments about my story and our Daytona from that post. But if I have had any positive motivation to get an origainal owner Daytona on the road to restoration that would be one of the best!
E-mail me a couple of pictures of the #2 Keselowski Dodge at moparjohn@frontier.com when you get a chance. I will then return e-mail you some B5/B7 Daytona pictures. If you really want to get things rolling bring dad for a visit! You can't be that far away!
Mopar John
Great story and thanks for bringing another Daytona out of the wood work to share. It needs a nose cone even if its fiberglass. Rob.
...I was surprised to find out your B5 Daytona was only 7 digits different then the green one I purchased from Phil
...I also had a problem with the local license branch over the XX29, the green Daytona was also registered as a XS29 and wasn't changed until I sold it to Mason in 1988
...I remember loading groceries into the trunk and back seat of your dads Daytona when I worked at Jarretts Grocery, we gave him a hard time about the "clothes line" on the back of his Dodge and one time we hung our aprons on the wing while he was shopping in the store
...I remember the Daytona from day 1 until it disappeared from the streets, I also remember it being red and primer gray...I even remember seeing it with the nose, LOL
...I recently purchased a Tor-Red 6-BBL Bird from Allen Farthing, son of Charlie Farthing in Rushville...the Bird was originally sold new in Connersville
hi larry ! nice to finally see you on here. you were dead on, about the clothes line comment. the wing was used to dry my sister's diapers more than once. i had never heard about the apron story, and will have to ask dad if he recalls it.
it is pretty cool the vin numbers were so close together, with the cars being in the same town. dad mentioned that phil actually had his car first of the two. we were in tennessee for about two weeks for my grandfather's funeral when farthing received dad's car. i guess we came through rushville late at night on the way home from tennessee, and the car had came in during that time frame. dad recalls someone else was there, begging farthing to sell it to them, when dad stopped in at the dealership the next day.
your new 'bird sounds sweet. maybe i'll catch you at the nursing home one of these days, to drool over it and the daytona, along with the other residents there. hopefully you will share some stories and photos of your wing cars, over the years. the guys (and gals) here would enjoy that to no end. take care, and look forward to seeing you sometime soon.
ernie
...in the early days, my wife used to hang bed spreads and blankets over the wing to let them dry after a spin in the washing machine
...my cousin just sent this pix to me a few months ago...probably around 1986-87
Quote from: 69 DAYTONA on August 23, 2011, 10:52:33 PM
...in the early days, my wife used to hang bed spreads and blankets over the wing to let them dry after a spin in the washing machine
...my cousin just sent this pix to me a few months ago...probably around 1986-87
see there, she couldn't have done the laundry with the corvette you were looking to buy way back then.
if that is your son in the one photo, i am suddenly going to feel REALLY old. i was already struggling with the idea of you selling that car so long ago.
PS...30 years later, I finally purchased the '78 Vette Pace Car...
same story here, I remember that "little kid" in your first pix too
...Tom and I at the New Castle Chrysler Plant Open House, 1983
...Tom and I at the MOPAR Nats last week, with the same Daytona
...Tom is 33 years old and is 6'5"... me, I'm just old and fat
...when I purchased the Daytona from Phil, I was 29 years old
...paid $9K for the car and he sold it to me on a 12 month payment plan, I paid it off several months early...everyone laughed at me paying that much for a Daytona...it had 10,427 original miles, F6 4-spd
...although I remember seeing your dads Daytona around town for many many years, my most vivid memory is of the car pulling up by the back door at Jarretts Grocery and the sound of the 440 powered exhaust as it idled, it just sounded great, like a car should sound...it was the only winged car I ever saw on the streets back then, Phil rarely drove his in the daylight (I never saw it until the day I bought it)
...your dad was super proud of his new Daytona,
...I must admit, back then, I didn't understand the appeal of the winged cars, I was a slow learner, LMAO
Quote from: 69 DAYTONA on August 23, 2011, 10:58:52 PM
PS...30 years later, I finally purchased the '78 Vette Pace Car...
lol. dad still laughs when he talks about you buying the daytona instead of a pace car. i can already see him shaking his head, when i tell him you never gave up on the 'vette.
from what i saw recently, that vette might not have been your latest trip to the dark side. do the hurst cars even allow that camaro, no matter how flashy, to hang out with them?
...but, have you heard that Camaro run...HOLY CRAP ! ...it's a NICKEY Super Camaro, Stage II
...I have driven it more than all the HURST Challengers put together, and yes, they are parked side by side...I'm busy painting the floors this week in "the Home", but I hope you stop by soon when things are sorted out again, and bring your dad ! ...my Daytona and Superbird are both there
...show this pix to your dad...it is an L-82 4-spd w/600 original miles I bought a couple of months ago, still has the window sticker in the window...I have often wondered how different my life would have been had I not taken the wrong turn that day and bought Phils Daytona...it was totally an accident I bought it, I was headed to the bank to get a check for a Pace Vette in Hagerstown and took a wrong turn, ended up looking at the Daytona in Phils driveway and after a short test drive, I bought it
Quote from: moparstuart on August 12, 2011, 10:30:34 AM
great car , great story . Thanks for sharing with us your family stories . :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
+1, thanks!
extremely cool story and cool pic
great stories and family historys :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
thanks for all the positive comments, and im glad people have found the car's history interesting. it is difficult to look at the daytona as anything other than what it originally was; our everyday family car, which just happened to hang around for a while. larry recalling it being a grocery-getter just adds to the history. i literally grew up with this car always being a part of the family, and i'd like to believe i would feel the same way about it, had it been a four-door coronet. it certainly has never been looked upon for its potential value, and as the photos show, it is far from being a wise investment, if profitability was the only consideration.
my favorite part of this thread is the personal recollection of our car by danny and larry. ironically, both of them have a far more compelling aero car history to tell than i do. a few people here have likely figured out who "69 daytona" is. it has been a thrill seeing his musclecar stable evolve over the years. from the daytona seen above, to the first hemi challenger ever built, along with the t/a challengers, prowlers, vipers, srt challengers, daytonas, and, yes, even some incredible GM muscle. there was never a weak link in the chain, but none of the cars will ever come close to my personal memories of when he had that f6 beauty out for a evening cruise around town.
...small town New Castle has always had more than it's fair share of MOPARS and Muscle Cars in general, even today
...thru the years I remember
...B5 Daytona (still here)
...F6 Daytona
...F6 Daytona, painted white with red/blue stars all over it...(ran into the old owner John D. yesterday)
...R4 Daytona (still here)
...Yelo Bird (destroyed when new ) think it was sold at Newby Paul (need to ask around on that one...haven't thought about it in 20 years or more)
...Vitamin 'C' Bird (ran into the old owner John D. yesterday)
...B5 Bird 6BBL (still here)
...B5 "Geriatric Bird"
...TorRed 6-BBL Bird (still here)
...stretch out to a 10 mile radius and that includes
...Yelo Bird 6-BBL (still here)
...red Daytona (field car-Cadiz)
...R4 Daytona, (Bruce C.-still here)
...so, nearly a dozen have been on the streets of our little town since 1969, not counting visitors, LOL
PS...there was another Yelo Hemi Bird in Hartford City (Rick C.) and another 6-BBL TorRed Bird in Red Key (Randy R. State Cop)...no idea where those cars ended up at
pix...my first T/A, 1985...wearin' my "Jams"
Quote from: 69 DAYTONA on August 25, 2011, 07:00:08 AM
...F6 Daytona, painted white with red/blue stars all over it...(ran into the old owner John D. yesterday)
The current owner of this car is a member on the site (Davtona), and it sat next to my car for about 20 years in Dave's garage.
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=27044.0;attach=41032)
Two threads that reference Dave's car with a few more pictures:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,27044.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,50760.0.html
VERY cool thread, love the stories from "back in the day" :2thumbs:
Quote from: 69 DAYTONA on August 25, 2011, 07:00:08 AM
pix...my first T/A, 1985...wearin' my "Jams"
is the r4 from cadiz that you mentioned the same car that is currently owned by bruce c., in knightstown? if so, danny (69_500) can add some insight to that particular daytona.
i could be wrong, but didn't the yellow bird that was in the smoky mountain musuem also belong to john d., at some point?
I'm guessing he is refering to the R4 red Daytona my dad had when he lived in Cadiz. Since its so tiny of a town I can't imagine anyone else there having one. Oddly enough it is close in VIN to the others in this thread. 409045.
Quote from: 69_500 on August 25, 2011, 06:51:37 PM
I'm guessing he is refering to the R4 red Daytona my dad had when he lived in Cadiz. Since its so tiny of a town I can't imagine anyone else there having one. Oddly enough it is close in VIN to the others in this thread. 409045.
that is my guess, too. the vin # thing is amazing.
danny, say hello to mr. bell (if you didn't already realize who he was). larry, i imagine you have met danny, or at least his dad, at a bill's diner show back when you had the f6 car. i remember him having a charger 500 at one of them, along with your daytona.
i know i'm the odd-ball but i think fixing it back up WITHOUT the nose would be more interesting as that is the way it has lived MOST of its life, there are lots of tonas with nose cones and having the history to back everything up is just incredible
super awesum that you guys have kept it all these years, good luck
Quote from: held1823 on August 25, 2011, 07:12:14 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on August 25, 2011, 06:51:37 PM
I'm guessing he is refering to the R4 red Daytona my dad had when he lived in Cadiz. Since its so tiny of a town I can't imagine anyone else there having one. Oddly enough it is close in VIN to the others in this thread. 409045.
that is my guess, too. the vin # thing is amazing.
danny, say hello to mr. bell (if you didn't already realize who he was). larry, i imagine you have met danny, or at least his dad, at a bill's diner show back when you had the f6 car. i remember him having a charger 500 at one of them, along with your daytona.
...if I ever met Danny, he was a little kid...I knew his dad Dewayne
...the red Daytona in Cadiz I was refering to was the ragged one that sat in the field behind Dannys grandparents house, it looked like wolves had chewed on it...tons of rust and a rear tire had damaged the passenger rear quarter
...I remember the other R4 Daytona too, forgot to add it on my list though...Dewayne brought it to my house once, it leaked lots of oil on my garage floor, LOL...Bruces' daughter married a good friend of mine a couple of years ago
...and yes, the HEMI Charger 500...it was the first 426 HEMI car I ever drove...Dewayne rented a space from me to store it for a few years...occasionally, he would drive into NC and take the car out for a few hours, then drop it off at my house for me to take back to our warehouse in the industrial park...I drove it VERY VERY carefully, HEMI or not, it wasn't my car, so I drove it VERY slowly...
...a little trivia...the radio in the HEMI 500 and the F6 Daytona were switched by Dewayne...the HEMI 500 was supposed to have an AM 8-track, but didn't...my F6 had an AM 8-track but was supposed to have AM only...so we traded radios/faceplates in my driveway...Goeke Dodge gave Phil an AM/8-track player because the original AM radio didn't work and they wanted to keep him happy...the F6 Daytona was also delivered with a broken/cracked tail light and Goeke gave Phil a new one in the box...he never installed it and neither did I...it had the same cracked lens for 20 years, LOL
pix...my dad at the Chrysler open house 1989 or so, he loved the Daytona with that horrible (circus wagon) paint job and he drove it from time to time to Long John Silvers on Sunday ...it had 6,500 miles on it...I eventually sold it and bought it back a couple of years ago from the same guy I sold it to...it has 9,400 miles on it now...this Daytona is R4 Red/blk, dealer installed 440 6-PACK/AT, was on a list a few years ago as the 1st Daytona shipped in the USA...this car is 3 digits away from "Big Willies" Daytona that has been for sale recently
...the "Circus Wagon" today...it now has NASCAR wheels on it, but I have the original road wheels and red lines too
...it is currently on the back cover of a MOPAR parts catalogue the dealerships use...it still wears the same Michigan plates, I haven't changed them yet
Quote from: held1823 on August 25, 2011, 04:05:34 PM
Quote from: 69 DAYTONA on August 25, 2011, 07:00:08 AM
pix...my first T/A, 1985...wearin' my "Jams"
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i could be wrong, but didn't the yellow bird that was in the smoky mountain musuem also belong to john d., at some point?
...no idea about a Yelo Bird of John D.
Quote from: held1823 on August 24, 2011, 04:27:53 PM
but none of the cars will ever come close to my personal memories of when he had that f6 beauty out for a evening cruise around town.
...I put 15K miles on the F6 Daytona during the 7-8 years I owned it...it was a show car on the weekend, and a service truck during the week...I was a service rep for Coca Cola USA...the Daytona carried all of my tools and extra Coke fountain parts during the week...many a restaurant manager was surprised to see the Coke service guy driving a Daytona, few knew what the car was, even back then, LOL...it spent lots of time parked behind McDonalds/Wendys and Ponderosa steak houses etc etc
your mention of newby-paul chrysler plymouth reminded me of something dad told me a while back.
i dont personally recall it, but dad said his buddy joe huddelston (later of don & joe's repair) used to work at newby-paul as a mechanic. just a year or two ago, joe told dad that the dealership had ordered a replacement nose cone for the daytona, without dad even knowing it. this is pure speculation on my part, but my grandfather had bought his 1973 fury from them, and i cant help but wonder if he didnt mention to them about the daytona being wrecked. i believe newby-paul had worked on the daytona before, and may have just assumed that dad would bring it there to replace the nose. dad didnt want to file an insurance claim on it back then, out of fear of having the policy cancelled, which is why it ended up with a charger front end.
dad was dumbfounded when joe told him about the nose cone after all these years. it is amazing that nothing was ever mentioned of it over the years, and one has to wonder what ever became of it.
...I know Joe...never heard the story before about the nose cone...I was a GM guy in the late sixties, never was inside Newby Paul...bought a new 73 Cuda at Davis Bates and my dad bought a couple of vehicles at Goodwins...wonder what a replacement nose cost in 1969
...once (early eighties) your dad came out to my house to measure the nose on my F6, said he was wanting to get one made
pix...Daytona at the New Castle car show at Baker Park...the 71 Cuda conv was mine too
Quote from: 69 DAYTONA on August 25, 2011, 09:49:48 PM
...the "Circus Wagon" today...it now has NASCAR wheels on it, but I have the original road wheels and red lines too
...it is currently on the back cover of a MOPAR parts catalogue the dealerships use...it still wears the same Michigan plates, I haven't changed them yet
Wow, a plethora of Dodges in there !!! :2thumbs:
Any more pictures of the Daytona with the NASCAR wheel/tire combo? I'd like to create a set for my Daytona...
Thanks....
Here you go Troy
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,59834.msg667628/topicseen.html#msg667628
I haven't taken any good shots of the car since I bought it back a couple of years ago...this is about the best wheel shot I have...I can take some if you need
i see that you had two cars at the show. did you walk up the hill to get the second one?
the contrast between the vintage and modern hotrods makes for a great look. that's not even the fast one, is it?
Quote from: held1823 on August 26, 2011, 04:08:20 PM
i see that you had two cars at the show. the contrast between the vintage and modern hotrods makes for a great look. that's not even the fast one, is it?
...me, walk up a hill, LMAO........I honestly don't remember who drove the HURST, but I drove the Daytona...the Daytona cruised the Woodward Ave "DREAM CRUISE" on it's way back to New Castle, but it cruised inside a trailer...
Quote from: held1823 on August 26, 2011, 04:08:20 PM
i see that you had two cars at the show. did you walk up the hill to get the second one?
the contrast between the vintage and modern hotrods makes for a great look. that's not even the fast one, is it?
...that HURST is a Series 3, Supercharged 5.7, 6-spd...they only built 1 and discontinued the Series...so, this is the only white 6-spd Series 3 in the world, EVER...HURST Performance closed recently, no more HURST Challengers
Quote from: 69 DAYTONA on August 26, 2011, 04:22:05 PM
...that HURST is a Series 3, Supercharged 5.7, 6-spd...they only built 1 and discontinued the Series...so, this is the only white 6-spd Series 3 in the world, EVER...HURST Performance closed recently, no more HURST Challengers
the black one is a series 4 with about 600 hp, isn't it? i dont know if i ever saw the specs on series 3.
by the way, would you consider adopting a 46 year old?
Larry the more you keep typing the more I think I should make a trip up to NC. I havne't even been in that town in about 3 years now.
Quote from: 69_500 on August 26, 2011, 05:17:01 PM
Larry the more you keep typing the more I think I should make a trip up to NC. I havne't even been in that town in about 3 years now.
...welcome anytime
Quote from: held1823 on August 26, 2011, 04:30:29 PM
Quote from: 69 DAYTONA on August 26, 2011, 04:22:05 PM
...that HURST is a Series 3, Supercharged 5.7, 6-spd...they only built 1 and discontinued the Series...so, this is the only white 6-spd Series 3 in the world, EVER...HURST Performance closed recently, no more HURST Challengers
the black one is a series 4 with about 600 hp, isn't it? i dont know if i ever saw the specs on series 3.
by the way, would you consider adopting a 46 year old?
HURST Series 4, Supercharged 6.1, 6-spd...572HP...just took these today, Doug Dorn just painted/installed the T/A hood...the white HURST is getting the same hood installed next week
Welcome to the board Larry. Again, it was nice to talk to you and your family in Columbus. Your collection of cars, past and present, is amazing. If I'm ever in New Castle I'd love to come and sneek a peek at a few of them. :scope:
Rich
:cheers:
Quoteby the way, would you consider adopting a 46 year old?
Thats funny! I was thinking the same thing! :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: richRTSE on August 26, 2011, 08:13:43 PM
Welcome to the board Larry. Again, it was nice to talk to you and your family in Columbus. Your collection of cars, past and present, is amazing. If I'm ever in New Castle I'd love to come and sneek a peek at a few of them. :scope:
Rich
:cheers:
Quoteby the way, would you consider adopting a 46 year old?
Thats funny! I was thinking the same thing! :icon_smile_big:
...would love to have you stop by anytime
Thats a funny picture the last time I was in New Castle broad street looks almost like that. JK. Last time I was going through there was on a friday night at about 11 pm and of course all of the kids were out cruising in their cars causing a traffic jam.
Quote from: 69_500 on August 27, 2011, 08:45:05 PM
Thats a funny picture the last time I was in New Castle broad street looks almost like that. JK. Last time I was going through there was on a friday night at about 11 pm and of course all of the kids were out cruising in their cars causing a traffic jam.
...unfortunately, "cruising Broad" has pretty much dried up...a group of people have sponsored a cruise a few tmes in the last year or so, pretty decent turnout, but not like the old days for sure...Top Hat to Howards and back and forth,
Really I figured that was something that would not ever go away. I remember in the late 80's all of the way up to the late 90's that it would take you a good 30 minutes to make one pass and then turn around and come back you would have a good hour.
the local cruising scene was once a rite of passage for those growing up in new castle. it was common to see cars coming in from fifty miles or more away on friday and saturday nights. there were plenty of cars making the loop until the wee hours of the morning. i cant recall which issue it was in, but new castle once made the car craft magazine list of hottest cruising spots in the nation.
i ran across these photos, which were taken in the early to mid 1980's. it had totally slipped my mind that the daytona once wore keystone classics. the fc7 super bee was my first car, and spent many an evening cruising broad street.
i ran across this february, 1978 photo over the weekend. this is the 1969 front end that originally went on the car after the nose was lost. the wing was removed at the time, while someone was attempting to make a copy of it.
parked for the winter, the car was shuffled in and out of the one-car garage, to allow mom to park inside when snow was expected (somewhat amusing to imagine that scenario, all these years later). as luck would have it, a full-fledged blizzard hit during one of the "out" times. it was not long after this photo was taken, that the 1970 front end went on, and the car was repainted back to the blue paint that it still wears.
how's this for progress? two years later, i have amassed the following parts for the car.
1. the front turn signal lamp assemblies.
that's it.
but - they do have the correct color of overspray pre-installed.
i also came across these photos yesterday.
I really like the "older" photos...been looking at older historic pics of Seattle area up here lately...getting lost in time
:2thumbs:
Quote from: A383Wing on December 29, 2013, 10:53:38 PM
I really like the "older" photos...been looking at older historic pics of Seattle area up here lately...getting lost in time
:2thumbs:
...I can't believe it has been 2 1/2 years since this thread was started
Quote from: 69 DAYTONA on December 30, 2013, 04:05:41 AM
Quote from: A383Wing on December 29, 2013, 10:53:38 PM
I really like the "older" photos...been looking at older historic pics of Seattle area up here lately...getting lost in time
:2thumbs:
...I can't believe it has been 2 1/2 years since this thread was started
i hope to finish the car by its 100th birthday, so i have to pace myself. that, or have you hire me for a second job :'(
awesome pictures , love looking & reading about this back in the day stuff , thanks for sharing :cheers: :popcrn:
Quote from: held1823 on December 29, 2013, 10:37:37 PM
how's this for progress? two years later, i have amassed the following parts for the car.
1. the front turn signal lamp assemblies.
that's it.
but - they do have the correct color of overspray pre-installed.
i also came across these photos yesterday.
Glad to help move this fellow Indiana / B5 project forward!
MJ
Quote from: held1823 on December 30, 2013, 04:33:17 AM
Quote from: 69 DAYTONA on December 30, 2013, 04:05:41 AM
Quote from: A383Wing on December 29, 2013, 10:53:38 PM
I really like the "older" photos...been looking at older historic pics of Seattle area up here lately...getting lost in time
:2thumbs:
...I can't believe it has been 2 1/2 years since this thread was started
i hope to finish the car by its 100th birthday, so i have to pace myself. that, or have you hire me for a second job :'(
just give me the car i got all the parts :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: held1823 on December 30, 2013, 04:33:17 AM
i hope to finish the car by its 100th birthday, so i have to pace myself. that, or have you hire me for a second job :'(
Those nostalgia pictures are fantastic! Thanks for posting them and for sharing a bit of your Family's past. :2thumbs:
Hi Ernie,
What a fantastic story, mant thanx for the link!
Real Mopar folks with a historic Wing-car as well!
I think its quite common for the 'XS not XX' title error.
My 69 500 has the same problem LoL! :2thumbs:
The Vin tag, dash tag are correct, block incorrect too???
I've never worked at a car factory but I've worked on production lines though.
The mind numbing repetition always causes errors.
Same must go for office workers looking at endless documents with letters and numbers! :shruggy:
XS,XS,XS,XS,XX,XS,XS,XS,XX,XS,XS,SX,SEX???
OOPS :popcrn:
Dad passed away on October 17th, so mom is left in what I imagine is pretty rare company as a female original owner. The car still sits as it did when this thread began, which sucks since I had sold my toy collection this summer in hopes of getting the car up and running for Dad to enjoy driving it once again.
With both of my daughters in college, any restoration work is still on hold for a few more years, but I am now dedicated to having this car at the next talladega reunion in four years. For now, it is serving time as a lumber rack/ storage shelf. Fear not, the wood doubles as a protective cover for a rare piece of glass.
sorry to hear about your Dad .
Looks like the way my Superbee was stored for some time... before I talked my father out of it in 1979. Hopefully life moves on and the kids can help you get it ready for Talladega 2019!
Sorry to hear about your Dad. No matter when you get it up and running your Dad will be there riding shotgun in spirit.
Quote from: wingcarenvy on November 04, 2015, 09:07:39 PM
Sorry to hear about your Dad. No matter when you get it up and running your Dad will be there riding shotgun in spirit.
:iagree:
Quote from: wingcarenvy on November 04, 2015, 09:07:39 PM
Sorry to hear about your Dad. No matter when you get it up and running your Dad will be there riding shotgun in spirit.
Sometimes, that is how it works.
Quote from: tan top on October 30, 2015, 07:33:09 PM
sorry to hear about your Dad .
Me too.
My parents, wifes parents, aunts and uncles are all gone... :'(
finally got something to mount those valiant turn signals into ...
still a lot more to gather, though
Quote from: held1823 on May 31, 2018, 10:17:59 PM
finally got something to mount those valiant turn signals into ...
still a lot more to gather, though
looks familiar :popcrn:
Quote from: held1823 on May 31, 2018, 10:17:59 PM
finally got something to mount those valiant turn signals into ...
still a lot more to gather, though
Ernie,
Your getting closer and so is Talladega 2019!
MJ
talladega is coming too fast for my wallet, lol. no way the car will be done, but i do hope to have the cone on it and the engine back together for the trip.
i just could not bring myself to put a glass nose on the car. luckily, an old friend pointed me toward a new friend, who he made me a great deal.
i have the cone, z brackets, grille frame and screen, side markers, and turn signals. now to gather the rest.
baby steps...
i also picked up the headlight actuators and a complete set of factory vacuum lines. now to obtain the buckets, pivots, and doors
then it's on to the latch tray. then the lower valance. then the one hundred other things.
a big thank you to the forum members here that have helped me get to this point.
On it's ways back to a nose
I have a Daytona lower spoiler for the nose its oe if you are lookin for one maybe you mite have something to trade me for it. I am looking for parts for my Daytona clone.
Quote from: charger chris on August 03, 2018, 07:19:14 AM
I have a Daytona lower spoiler for the nose its oe if you are lookin for one maybe you mite have something to trade me for it. I am looking for parts for my Daytona clone.
the only extra stuff i have are one set each of reproduction trunk hinges and wing supports, along with two used driver side turn signals. these items came as part of a package deal with the brackets above, that i needed.
the extra parts may be sold already, just waiting on confirmation. if you'd sell the spoiler, pm me photos and a price, as i might be interested
retired it from lumber rack duty earlier this week, and started removing the 70 front end.
The Daytona looks better already!
MJ
Is that a van nose motorhome to car hauler conversion ,just out side shop doors ?
Con grads that's a good looking nose an parts..
are your tires age cracked, if not i"ve had good luck blowing all the dirt out of bead then cover bead an rim with grease or 90 wght oil an air up.
great to see progress. :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: DJ :drool5:
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :2thumbs:
Quote from: djcarguy on February 03, 2019, 11:05:06 PM
Is that a van nose motorhome to car hauler conversion ,just out side shop doors ?
are your tires age cracked, if not i"ve had good luck blowing all the dirt out of bead then cover bead an rim with grease or 90 wght oil an air up.
it's a dodge motorhome chassis that was dragged outside to make room, no hauler conversion work done to it.
the tires are about 35 years old. i wouldn't trust them down the driveway.
thanks for the encouragement on the parts and progress. it's a long and expensive process
expensive week, but some nice looking pieces are now in hand.
also bought a set of pivots from mike.
great looking parts, incredible packaging, and awesome to deal with.
now off to procure headlight doors, fender scoops, and the lower valance.
i need a set of Fender scoopes if you find a good deal
Quote from: moparstuart on March 25, 2019, 02:54:08 PM
i need a set of Fender scoopes if you find a good deal
Quote from: moparstuart on March 25, 2019, 02:54:08 PM
i need a set of Fender scoops if you find a good deal
i'm trying to guilt mike into making me a set, but he's booked up for the time being. likely summer before he can get to them, he said.
i'm also playing phone tag with ted janek, who left me a voice mail about his offerings. he now offers three different quality/price levels. i can let you know the details after i talk to him, hopefully tomorrow.
Good day Ernie
Looks like things are moving forward, good for you :2thumbs:. Just think another Daytona will be back on the road soon.
:cheers:
Curt
Quote from: panhead on March 26, 2019, 08:36:00 AM
Good day Ernie
Looks like things are moving forward, good for you :2thumbs:. Just think another Daytona will be back on the road soon.
:cheers:
Curt
even if it's not running, it will be nice to see it taking up more room in the barn.
your car is looking phenomenal. hope both you and the mrs. are doing well, my friend
:coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
finally dragged the nose cone home from my buddy's shop today, nearly a year after buying it.
thought i'd take advantage of the photo op before sitting it safely on the floor.
time to look for a replacement 26 inch core support, to replace the 22 inch one that came off the donor car years ago
Here is a 26 inch core support cut from a 1969 B5 blue Mopar B Body.
Close by here in Indiana!
MJ
Ask and yee shall receive... :lol:
Quote from: Mopar John on April 02, 2019, 06:20:54 PM
Here is a 26 inch core support cut from a 1969 B5 blue Mopar B Body.
Close by here in Indiana!
MJ
shoot me a price, john. you have my email and phone number.
if you're available one afternoon this week, i can head up and get it, along with the other stuff you've held on to for me.
not to mention drool over what this car could look like someday.
that would also give me a chance to see if i want to bite the bullet for the other sheet metal.
E-mail with price for the 26 inch core support sent.
I hope it works out!
MJ
Is there a published parts list that details all the required parts and modifications to turn a 69 Charger into a Daytona?
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on April 04, 2019, 06:52:51 AM
Is there a published parts list that details all the required parts and modifications to turn a 69 Charger into a Daytona?
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,134934.0.html
As far as the parts go....
This is getting good!!!! :2thumbs:
Following for sure. I just might have to load up a Charger and head to Talladega in October.....
picked up the 26" core support this afternoon, along with some other parts that john has been gracious enough to supply.
we took some measurements off of his incredible daytona that will help with placement of a few components on the support.
nothing like staring at that beauty to motivate a person. best part is that it's the same color combo, so i can visual what mine could eventually look like again.
some photos from today to give an idea of the amount of rust repair this thing needs
the first ones show the crude welds from when the 22" support was put on years ago
trying to determine the best way to remove the '70 headlight mounts as we start to modify the fenders
do i need to keep any part of the '70 hood latch or its brace?
the trunk floor isn't as bad as i expected, but it appears creative didn't bother with applying any surface covering to the wing washers
a few more inside the trunk
the plug is a definite concern, made even more so with the chance of damaging the trim or the glass when it comes out
more of the window plug
the wing area and rear panel rust issues are fairly significant
also an issue at the door jamb/quarter panel area on the passenger side
both quarters are needing attention
if i can salvage the material, i am most likely going to leave the interior this way. the headliner is also done in this fabric, as are the sun visors and these head rests. i will probably put the charger head rests back on it, and imagine the visors are in good shape underneath the velour.
i first thought that the original blue door panels were swapped out for black ones, but now think this is them dyed black. the donor car for the front end was a '70 with black interior, but those panels would be different. i know a '69 was parted long, long ago, but find it hard to believe these panels came from it. with any luck, i am wrong and will stumble across the blue ones.
the car is never going to be numbers matching nor all original sheet metal, so it might as well retain a bit of its history. the seats and wheels are a big part of that.
some patch work is needed in the front drivers floor area
the newly acquired and correct 26" core support is even the right color
the engine is just sitting in it, and will come out in the next few days. it ran VERY well when pulled out of my old GTX, but has sat for 35 years. a friend had built this engine for his 1976 short bed 4x4 to drag race (300 feet on dirt). it had a tunnel ram on it when pulled from the truck to swap it for a freshly rebuilt stock 440, when he needed to use the truck to pull his business trailer and thus retired it from racing. hopefully a quick trip to a machine shop and a rebuild kit is all it needs.
i need to make sure if these valve covers are correct, or if i need to find the originals.
the brake booster was swapped for an incorrect one as well, so that's another item i need to eventually track down
the out of place wiring was for the electric headlight doors on the '70 front end
i know there is an issue with the amp gauge wiring, but haven't pulled the dash yet to see the extent of it
the intake that was on this engine in the GTX. you can see the spare hood that was cut out for it on top of the original one.
held1823,
First things first!
I am really happy to see you moving along on this family Daytona!
With all the rust that I see in the pictures I think the most cost effective way to start
would be a trip to Evansville for a Redi-Strip body dip after Talladega!
Then repair - replace the bad metal.
To answer your question about the 1970 Charger hood latch tray,
The only thing you need to hang onto would be the pop up spring if you don't have another.
To answer your question on the valve covers,
They are correct 1969 440 valve covers.
Keep on keepin on!
MJ
John, it was great to see you the other day as well as drool on the cars. Thank you for having me up there.
With no chance of tearing the car down and rebuilding it before the meet in October, this is the condition it will make the trip in. I plan on hanging the front end on it, and with some luck, have it running down there. if not, i hope the area is flat so I'm not pushing it uphill the whole time. Once back home, the hard part can start. I just hope some of the car is left after it gets dipped.
I believe those valve covers were from my GTX, and the ones from the Daytona are stashed away along with various other pieces from it. You'd have to see the disaster in that corner of the barn, to grasp the project in digging them out. Just ask Croxford, he's been back there, lol.
I'm not sure if the transmission currently in the Daytona is its numbers matching one, or one of the spares Dad and I accumulated over the years. Lord only knows which driveshaft among them is the correct one for the car. I don't even know where the radiator is at the moment. Or the intake, air cleaner, jacks, etc. Cleaning out the barn might be harder than redoing the car. Both forty foot end walls are floor to ceiling with shelving, and there isn't a bare spot along them. five rows high, six counting the floor, not to mention the crates and boxes stacked along the back wall on one end. yikes...
I will go overboard with photos as the project progresses, and undoubtedly wear you guys out with questions.
Ernie,
I assume your 1969 GTX is long gone?
That pile of parts once sorted will become very valuable to you.
Once you sort through them and decide what you need for the restoration,
The extras can be sold/traded for the parts your missing.
At this point the more parts you find the better!
MJ
yes , the GTX was sold decades ago.
My first car was a 1970 Super Bee, plum crazy, 383 four speed. the car was bought in 1980 before I even had my driver's license. It was sitting behind a barn just east of town, wearing faded red paint. the engine was apart and in the trunk. the complete fresh air assembly was still under the hood, the body was amazingly straight and solid, and the car was mine for the hefty sum of $150. No one gave any thought to matching numbers at the time, so the disassembled engine was literally tossed in the trash. We never even looked to see if it was the original one. A local guy had recently built a very stout 383 for his challenger, and totaled the car soon afterward. I bought that engine from the local junk yard for either $150 or $175, and the car was set up by our local Mopar wizard, Bill Baker. Bill was a mechanic at the local Dodge dealership, and actually told my dad that he was crazy to turn a 16 year old kid loose with that much power under the hood. Dad took great pleasure in showing me just how strong the car ran, while also telling me that he would take it away from me and sell it, if i was ever caught driving it the way that he was showing me it ran. if he wasn't romping on it, Dad would almost always take off in third gear and never shift the car. Years later, he commented that he knew i was "running the hell out of it" but said luckily for me, he never had anyone tell on me. He said he could tell anyway, when a new set of bias ply G-60's didn't last a year. it was originally a white bench seat car but i swapped it out for the bucket seats and console that came out of the same charger 500 that the dog house now on the Daytona came from.
Another fun memory of the Bee was involved a new clutch going in it. A high school buddy and his Dad were huge Chevy fans, and his Dad was always teasing me about the "junk Dodge" i was driving. He was a local fireman, and we would often stop by the fire house to b/s with him on his work days. I had just bought a Zoom Strip clutch for the car, but struggled to find time to change it. The buddy's dad offered to change it for me during one of his 24 hour shifts, just to pass the time. He had the Super Bee inside the fire station, on jack stands behind the ladder truck. The fire station occupied the front half of our city building, and the police department was in the back. My buddy was taking me there the next afternoon to pick the car up, and as we pulled up, we noticed a set of black marks that started directly in front of the station, and disappeared over the hill several houses down the street. The grin on his Dad's face was priceless, as he told us one of the policemen actually watched him do the test burnout. I don't recall hearing the junk dodge comment any more after that day.
I was working for AutoWorks as an assistant store manager at this time, and bought a new 1986 Ram 50, retiring the Super Bee from daily driver duty. Later in 1986, i bought a 1968 coronet R/T convertible. the car was in a barn in Huntington, Indiana, sitting beside a GTO convertible. the owner told me he had to sell one of the two cars to restore the other, and he didn't care which one was sold. it was the dead of winter when dad and i made the two hour drive for me to look at the car. I had $1700 in my pocket, thinking i could get there from the $2000 asking price. we hadn't made it out of new castle before dad rear ended someone with my mom's new car, so i assumed the trip was over before it started. dad had a different plan, saying there was no way in hell he was going home to face mom after wrecking her car.
we met the owner at the barn he had the cars stored in. he was carrying a battery with him that we dropped into the r/t, and it fired right up. the body was pretty rusty, but the car was basically untouched from new. i wanted it the moment the 440 roared to life, and offered the $1700. the owner was willing to take $1800 and include the battery, which we needed to get the car home. Luckily, dad had a hundred dollars on him that he loaned me, and the car was mine. the heater core was looped off, with one piece of heater hose clamped to each side of the water pump, and the rear window was missing. i bundled up, and off we went, headed south on interstate 69. i was freezing to death, but pushed on until the windshield started icing up on the inside. we would pull over for me to thaw out in mom's car two or three times, and each time dad would tell me i was nuts for buying that rust bucket. i had to steer with one hand and use the ice scraper with the other to even see out of the windshield to get the car home.
i bought a Kawasaki 750 from one buddy in early 1987 for $750, and traded the bike even up to another buddy for his 1969 GTX. he had found a 1971 GTX he liked better and he REALLY wanted a motorcycle. i now had the 1968 R/T convertible, the 1969 GTX, and the 1970 Super Bee. Apparently,none of these were fast enough to suit me, so I bought a brand new 1987 Honda Hurricane 1000. i then had fast enough covered in spades. these bikes would run 10.60 at 130 mph, right off the showroom floor. i took it to 160 mph one evening, at which point it was pulling 12,800 rpm on its 13,500 red line. it was still accelerating, but i wasn't brave enough to see if it could drive out of the speed wobble it had just developed. At 155 mph, it was as smooth as running 30, but man was that inline four singing through the Supertrapp mufflers I had on it.
I pulled the 440 from the GTX and sold the body not long after that, then sold the tunnel ram to a vendor at the Mopar nationals. I then met the wife to be in 1988, and we moved to Goshen, Indiana when I got a promotion to store manager. That turned out to be a salary versus hours worked nightmare, so I took a job as the parts manager at the Jeep dealership in Goshen. While living there, I sold the convertible for a tidy profit, and also sold the Hurricane. The toys were replaced by a new Plymouth Horizon for her, and a new Dakota for me. The foolish things we do for what we think is love. In late 1990, I took a job as parts manager for the Chrysler dealership in Anderson, and we moved back south with a baby on the way. I sold the Super Bee just before my daughter was born in February 1991. I almost bought this car back around 1998, but the now ex wife was not keen on the idea, as she wanted a new house. I should have bought the car and unloaded her.
Ernie,
Nice story and pictures almost!
You ended with the part about an ex!
Unfortunately I share your pain as have others here I'm sure!
So I decided I better reply with something and get us back on track.
When we restored our B5 Daytona we were lucky and found an NOS driveshaft.
So for the last 12 years the original driveshaft has been sleeping in a nice warm blanket in the basement.
Here are the measurements you need to look for on a Daytona with an auto trans and 8 3/4 rear:
With all the u joints straight it should be 52 inches from center of u joint cap to center of u joint cap.
It should have the large 7290 joints that are easier to measure across and right at 3 5/8 inches across.
Find the correct one and put the rest up for sale!
MJ
the engine was just sitting in the car, so we pulled it out today
the engine is from a 1969 Charger R/T, vin XS29L9B266274
if that car still exists, its owner might want to get in touch with me
i would trade my block for another '69 block, to reunite it with the car it came from
i have a valance ordered from Janek, along with the headlight doors and fender scoops.
Ted offers three levels of quality/pricing, and I went with his premium line.
These should be the last major components I need for the front end
where is the best place to find info on modifying these 1970 fenders correctly?
You should have Mike make you a steel valance. An original Daytona needs a steel one.
He will, later on.
Good luck on this project, and love that '70 Bee!
we pulled the fenders off to go ahead and swap the core support back to a correct 26" piece now instead of waiting until after the reunion like i first intended. hopefully that is done next week. is there a best way to modify the fenders while i have them off? any advice and/or measurements of where to cut off the lower edge, as well as for locating the fender scoops, is greatly appreciated
this is as deep into the car as i intend to go prior to talladega. once the support is changed, the front end will go back on until next winter. extra work, but i want to make it to my first reunion. i planned to go to the last one as a spectator, but lost my father that weekend. i only wish he could see the car once it looks like it did when he drove it off the dealership lot fifty years ago.
i will also have to use the 1970 hood i have, so it needs hood pin holes cut into it. does any one have measurement details for them?
this is the hood pin set i intend to use. $50 is more suited to my budget than trying to find originals, and i'm not out to build a show car.
Quote from: held1823 on April 07, 2019, 07:13:38 PM
where is the best place to find info on modifying these 1970 fenders correctly?
Trim the lower dog leg of the fender down to the width of the mating surface of the valance, fold it over along the body line, weld and then drill your new mounting holes.
I made a bending jig from two small pieces of angle iron, slit and welded back together in several places to follow the curve of the fender at the body line.
Clamped to the fender along the body line, one inside and one outside, it was easy to hammer the now abbreviated dog leg into shape.
I can't find any pictures of the angles right now, but here's the cut fender after folding and welding :
I found the pictures of the angles clamped in place :
Looks like I left the dog leg a little long, folded it over, and then trimmed it and welded it up... :scope:
more pieces in hand.
wallet meltdown - complete.
Looking good :yesnod:. I'm happy for yeah brother!!!
You've came along way in a years time.
Curt
Quote from: panhead on May 15, 2019, 09:09:59 AM
Looking good :yesnod:. I'm happy for yeah brother!!!
You've came along way in a years time.
Curt
i'm definitely a lot poorer in a year's time, my friend. i think it's a good investment in the end, though.
hopefully the crazy weather has missed you guys.
just noticed this is my 2,000th post. i should use it to ask if anyone has a sketch handy of where to cut for the fender scoops. we need to get that done, as well as make the cut at the bottom for the valance. i thought i had saved photos that mike g posted, marking out exactly where to do both, but can't find them
while on the scoop discussion, i may or may not have a concern with mine. i doubt it amounts to anything, but i need to get them up against the fenders to tell.
they are a mirror image of each other in every aspect, save for one being about 1/8" inch taller than the other. there is perhaps a very slight difference in the bevel along the edge of them. i doubt either would never be noticeable.
my only concern is should this 1/8" be somewhere along the bottom edge, that it keeps the scoop from fitting flush. i'm not about to start filing material off of one, until the experts weigh in, so i guess i need to get photos on them sitting on the fenders
ted's craftsmanship is every bit as nice as it ever was. the scoops are works of art, as are his valance and buckets.
i had discussed with mike about making a metal valance, and will likely still do so later on when he isn't swamped.
using ted's glass piece will do for now, and allow me to toss a few dollars somewhere else at the project
headlight doors look great.
any diagrams and/or recommendations on where to make the required cuts?
since it's a real daytona, ted also recommended i have him remove the molded in stops, so i will need to fabricate the correct metal ones.
any ideas on the best method?
Quote from: held1823 on May 31, 2019, 11:32:09 AM
headlight doors look great.
any diagrams and/or recommendations on where to make the required cuts?
since it's a real daytona, ted also recommended i have him remove the molded in stops, so i will need to fabricate the correct metal ones.
any ideas on the best method?
Here's how I usually do a preliminary trim out on customers headlite doors...
Quote from: held1823 on May 31, 2019, 11:11:08 AM
while on the scoop discussion, i may or may not have a concern with mine. i doubt it amounts to anything, but i need to get them up against the fenders to tell.
they are a mirror image of each other in every aspect, save for one being about 1/8" inch taller than the other. there is perhaps a very slight difference in the bevel along the edge of them. i doubt either would never be noticeable.
my only concern is should this 1/8" be somewhere along the bottom edge, that it keeps the scoop from fitting flush. i'm not about to start filing material off of one, until the experts weigh in
I'll agree Ted's Daytona fender scoops are perhaps the best out there, Ted usually tweaks the original parts before molding off them...which is OK, but regardless of scoops being original/NOS or repro, they will all have gaps if left as trimmed, there is a drivers side and a passenger side, you'll see that as you sit each one on a fender...
to get a nice fit on the fender, don't waste your time grinding here and there constantly fitting it, more grinding/sanding only to end up with a drastically smaller scoop height, or junk... instead locate where the scoop needs to be, then use some 80 grit sandpaper either in large roll form, or 2 to 3 sheets of 8"X11" paper if you can't find a roll, and use some DA/tack spray glue to glue the sheet(s) to the top of the fenders were the scoops are located, then just run the scoop back and forth approx 2-3" front to rear maintaining a nice parallel stroke with the scoop to the fender, takes awhile, but produces a totally gap less fit around the perimeter of the scoop base to the fender, basically your using the fender to block sand the scoop to shape...FYI the rear lower edge of the scoop opening is located approx 16 inches +/- 1/4" from the rear edge of the hood/or where the cowl area butts up to the inner section of the fender, either rear point location is the same for measurement, and the scoops are centered on the fenders side to side wise
Mike
P.S. I'll see if I can dig out the hole location measurement for you
thanks, mike. that bucket photo is exactly what i needed.
good info on the scoops. the contours on these are perfect mirror images of one another, so i don't expect to need much fine tuning to get them flush.
if i hadn't set them side by side, the ever so slight height difference would never have been noticed at all. i imagine originals were all over the place
is it best to just tap into the stud holes themselves, or would you push in a threaded metal sleeve?
thanks again for your fantastic looking parts and all of the advice.
moved the car out to the buddy's shop this afternoon to finally swap out the core support. kind of liking the view in the truck's mirror.
any pro tips on placement of the core support to latch tray bracket? weld points - how many, what pattern, and where? does the bracket simply sit against the lip of the core support, or is there a gap? i assume the side to side measurements depend on where the z-brackets fit, allowing the bolt holes in both the bracket and latch tray to line up and create the "box". i took measurement photos of john's car to double check the height but did not get the side to side ones.
That's a SuperBird latch tray bracket you have pictured there.
You'll need to get the proper one for a Daytona. :Twocents:
that bracket was not mine. i used a stolen photo hoping to better show detail, since it's hard to see in the only photo of mine that i can find right now. i deleted the swiped photo to avoid more confusion, lol
i deleted most of this post altogether after taking another look at the car today. i was way off on my thinking of where the bracket mounts.
this photo of gene's car is the best one i can find to illustrate my question. it looks like the latch tray mounts higher than i first thought.
perhaps this will make more sense to me when we get the core support changed and can actually get the parts up to it, but it's hard to picture that flat bracket not sitting on something to (a) help support it and (b) weld it to.
these are the right, center, and left measurements taken from john's car. i guess i should stop over thinking it and just match mine up to this.
Good morning Ernie
Looks like things are on the move for you. I bet that felt good seeing it in the rear view mirror!!!
One step closer my friend :2thumbs:
Curt
Ernie,
Looks GREAT on the move!
MJ
more pieces to the puzzle now in hand.
gaskets came from Detroit Muscle Technologies
fender screens provided by our own Mr. Perkins.
the 22 inch core support is now out of the car.
cleaned off the unholy welds from the core support replacement done back in the early 1980's
right side - hopefully i get these in order.
and the left.
there is some impact damage to smooth out in the area around the battery tray.
if someone has a clear shot or two of how the contour should look here, could you email them my way?
you can see the problem area in the third and also the last three photos here.
first two photos are some of the crap that was removed. all i can figure is dad never looked close at the repair, or the shop made him a crazy low repair offer.
it's also entirely possible he just wanted it back on the road, and didn't care what this area looked like.
you have to remember, this was/is not a collector car. it was bought brand new, to use and abuse year round as a daily driver.
the last two photos are of the correct support i got from john. time to straighten the left inner apron, then install the support
you can see the beginning of the contoured area that i mentioned needing photos of on the left side of it
once it is in place and the latch tray support welded to it, we will start fitting the nose.
after talladega, we can start the complete disassembly fun. hopefully santa brings me a rotisserie
Ernie I'm right down the road why don't you come down 1 day and take all the pictures and measurements you want-I can put mine on the lift and you can go crazy
Bob
Quote from: taxspeaker on June 24, 2019, 08:02:43 PM
Ernie I'm right down the road why don't you come down 1 day and take all the pictures and measurements you want-I can put mine on the lift and you can go crazy
Bob
thanks for the offer bob, i certainly won't rule it out, even if for nothing more than to just visit and check out the fleet. larry bell's car is sitting just a half mile from my house, and gary (my buddy/body man) has taken several measurements from it already. our only issue with access to it is larry's jet setting ways, lol
this area is tough to view/photograph with the battery and vacuum can in place. i need to comb through a few of the restoration threads here, and might find several views. we spent two hours this evening mulling over whether to repair or just replace the left, and perhaps both, apron(s). i'm about to see what is the best deal i can find on a pair from amd. list price is 429/pair, i think, and it's carlisle deal time in three weeks.
Ernie,
We had to replace a section behind the battery on our Daytona restoration.
Go to my B5 Daytona restoration thread replies # 341 and #342 from March 24th 2010.
There are before and after pictures for you on the battery tray area!
MJ
Not sure if this helps or not since it's my Superbird...but it was handy and of the area behind the battery tray/can.
Good luck!
Scott
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Quote from: 70Sbird on June 25, 2019, 11:23:20 AM
Not sure if this helps or not since it's my Superbird...but it was handy and of the area behind the battery tray/can.
Good luck!
Scott
yes it does, scott. thanks
Quote from: 70Sbird on June 25, 2019, 11:23:20 AM
Not sure if this helps or not since it's my Superbird...but it was handy and of the area behind the battery tray/can.
Good luck!
Scott
Note the factory 'waves' in the metal. :Twocents:
Quote from: odcics2 on June 26, 2019, 10:34:41 AM
Quote from: 70Sbird on June 25, 2019, 11:23:20 AM
Not sure if this helps or not since it's my Superbird...but it was handy and of the area behind the battery tray/can.
Good luck!
Scott
Note the factory 'waves' in the metal. :Twocents:
yes. they are my dilemma on how to smooth out this dent but not overdo it. not to mention we have to rebuild the top (horizontal) area if reusing the original. i'm almost leaning towards replacing with an amd inner panel.
the right side isn't as bad, although new metal would be far easier to work with here, as well
the threads for both john and gene's car are a huge asset, but i may have overlooked this next question in them.
does anyone have a view of the fender bolt - hood pin mounting hole area? something just seems off with what i have on hand.
If you are not going to change out the left apron, pulling force will need to be applied, clamped to the left apron, so the wrinkles can be hammered and dollied out. The metal has memory, but it will need some gentle force applied in the opposite direction to help it get there. If you are friendly with someone at a local body shop, it should not be too expensive to have that area worked.
Try Hard to keep as much of the original sheet metal as possible :Twocents:
Quote from: moparstuart on June 26, 2019, 01:28:45 PM
Try Hard to keep as much of the original sheet metal as possible :Twocents:
This is where I find myself undecided. Logic says replace both sides, to save time and money. I also understand the thought process of what you suggest.
With a reproduction front end on it and the numbers engine long gone, it is never going to be a top tier car. It is going to be driven.
Most importantly, the car's value is truly of zero consequence here. it will not change hands in my lifetime.
If the fit and quality of the AMD panels are as nice as I'm told there are, I personally could live with using them.
That said, I have no idea what clean rust-free oem inner fenders go for. Or how much to invest in trying to save these.
I do know i need to decide soon, if i go with repro ones and expect to have a vendor bring them to carlisle.
These are of larry's car (back off, stuie, i'm first up for adoption). Are there not two holes, one with the hood pin it it, and the other a fender bolt?
It will be friday before i can check, but i don't recall seeing two holes on each side of my support.
I guess it's possible i need to drill one for the hood pin, but maybe i'm wrong about the count to begin with and i already have it.
Does someone have a photo looking straight down on this area prior to installing the fenders?
I'm wondering how much metal needs to be added here, and in what shape, to my existing inner panels
These photos make me think i am not missing nearly as much of both the horizontal and vertical edges as i originally thought.
I was thinking that the "slot" or "notch" at the tip of mine was actually an oblong hole to begin with.
My right one, as seen above, is missing more of that oblong hole than is the left side.
Ernie,
I have a original B Body passengers side inner fender for you.
Your passengers side seems to be a lot better than your drivers side.
If all you need is a couple of pieces it would be a lot less work than changing the whole inner fender out!
My inner fender would not be a good part for a total replacement because of the rust around the shock tower.
So to cut it up and save the rest of yours may work out?
The price to you is FREE! Just come and get it!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on June 27, 2019, 09:59:57 AM
Ernie,
I have a original B Body passengers side inner fender for you.
Your passengers side seems to be a lot better than your drivers side.
If all you need is a couple of pieces it would be a lot less work than changing the whole inner fender out!
My inner fender would not be a good part for a total replacement because of the rust around the shock tower.
So to cut it up and save the rest of yours may work out?
The price to you is FREE! Just come and get it!
MJ
thanks, john. for both the generous offer and for that photo.
could i get you to take another one that shows the rest of that top edge edge that is out of view here?
it will answer the question gary has about how to locate the holes
i'm off for a three day weekend after today, so you may have a visitor
i did lose your number when i managed to put my cell phone through sixty inches worth of mower blades
let me really push my luck here.
does anyone have the LEFT side that i could purchase?
The damaged pictured shown areas .Went beyond the nose and inner structure .But seen worse be fixed
Quote from: held1823 on June 27, 2019, 12:22:17 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on June 26, 2019, 01:28:45 PM
Try Hard to keep as much of the original sheet metal as possible :Twocents:
This is where I find myself undecided. Logic says replace both sides, to save time and money. I also understand the thought process of what you suggest.
With a reproduction front end on it and the numbers engine long gone, it is never going to be a top tier car. It is going to be driven.
Most importantly, the car's value is truly of zero consequence here. it will not change hands in my lifetime.
If the fit and quality of the AMD panels are as nice as I'm told there are, I personally could live with using them.
That said, I have no idea what clean rust-free oem inner fenders go for. Or how much to invest in trying to save these.
I do know i need to decide soon, if i go with repro ones and expect to have a vendor bring them to carlisle.
These are of larry's car (back off, stuie, i'm first up for adoption). Are there not two holes, one with the hood pin it it, and the other a fender bolt?
It will be friday before i can check, but i don't recall seeing two holes on each side of my support.
I guess it's possible i need to drill one for the hood pin, but maybe i'm wrong about the count to begin with and i already have it.
Does someone have a photo looking straight down on this area prior to installing the fenders?
I'm wondering how much metal needs to be added here, and in what shape, to my existing inner panels
These photos make me think i am not missing nearly as much of both the horizontal and vertical edges as i originally thought.
I was thinking that the "slot" or "notch" at the tip of mine was actually an oblong hole to begin with.
My right one, as seen above, is missing more of that oblong hole than is the left side.
You know i only want the Black one anyways :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: held1823 on June 27, 2019, 10:34:35 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on June 27, 2019, 09:59:57 AM
Ernie,
I have a original B Body passengers side inner fender for you.
Your passengers side seems to be a lot better than your drivers side.
If all you need is a couple of pieces it would be a lot less work than changing the whole inner fender out!
My inner fender would not be a good part for a total replacement because of the rust around the shock tower.
So to cut it up and save the rest of yours may work out?
The price to you is FREE! Just come and get it!
MJ
Ernie,
I have taken a couple more pictures of my passengers side inner fender.
Now I am questioning the 2 holes vs the 1 you are questioning.
So I went out and took a picture of my Daytona.
It has a 1970 style upper cross bar with the 3 holes in the center for a latch tray?
So the question now becomes does a 1969 Charger cross bar have the 2 holes like a 1970?
You have a 2 hole style cross bar you removed from your Daytona but it has the 3 holes for the latch tray studs.
Hope this makes sense?
MJ
thanks, john. for both the generous offer and for that photo.
could i get you to take another one that shows the rest of that top edge edge that is out of view here?
it will answer the question gary has about how to locate the holes
i'm off for a three day weekend after today, so you may have a visitor
i did lose your number when i managed to put my cell phone through sixty inches worth of mower blades
Ernie,
I went out to the Daytona and took another picture of the top cross bar.
It has 3 holes in the center where the 1970 latch tray would attach.
So the 1969 Charger s must have used this?
So you need to use that top cross bar you removed from your Daytona and just take the 3 studs out.
If you still have it and it's in nice shape?
MJ
Quote from: moparstuart on June 27, 2019, 12:05:09 PM
You know i only want the Black one anyways :icon_smile_big:
all yours. see how nice and agreeable i am?
john, i will be at the car tomorrow afternoon, to hopefully confirm what you suspect. the photos will be a HUGE help. thank you
since the entire doghouse from the 1970 went on this car, it appears both inner fenders were modified to match the core support from that car.
i had been assuming what i'm left with now was due to crash damage, when coupled with the wrinkles above the wheel on both sides.
here is a side by side comparison of the 26 inch support i have here , and the group of them from the photo you just shared.
the second photo is of the 22 inch support from the 1970 charger, while it was still on the car
is the top cross member the only difference between a 1970 support versus the earlier years?
Ernie,
The cross member is different as shown in the pictures.
On the Daytona the small 90 degree piece that forms the corner under the cross member is not there also!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on June 28, 2019, 08:02:18 AM
Ernie,
The cross member is different as shown in the pictures.
On the Daytona the small 90 degree piece that forms the corner under the cross member is not there also!
MJ
meaning it's not there on mine, or it's not there on any daytona?
i guess my question is did all daytonas use a modified (for the hood latch) 70 cross member on a 69 part
if that is the case, the one i have would be correct, but we need to mark and drill the holes for the latch
since it's already apart, i want to make sure it looks correct when put back together.
amd mentions their part must be modified to fit a 70 by re-using the baffles from the 70 vehicle
i'm sure the answer to all of this is right in front of my face once i get out to the car later
Ernie,
The best way I can say this is that you need to use the cross member you removed if it's in good shape
and remove those corner pieces from the core support I sold you.
If your top cross bar is not good enough I have a loose correct cross bar here also!
MJ
Daytona jack under a Daytona
that fool buddy of mine has finally made it back to the car. first he decided to take on a case of shingles, and is still losing that battle daily. as if that wasn't enough to cope with, he decided to have a mild stroke on top of it. spent several days in the hospital, and still shows some of the after effects of it. besides the daytona, he also had a late 60's impala and a mid 70's vette in the shop when the double whammy hit. the timing couldn't have been worse for either of us, but i'd much prefer i be the one that kills him rather than his health.
i had picked up new inner fenders at carlisle, which is why we had paused on the car shortly before his health issues. knowing that i intend to take it completely apart after the talladega meet, i have decided to hold off on putting the drive train back together and just static display it at the meet. now we are in real jeopardy of even getting the front sheet metal back on before then. i kick myself for not sticking with the original plan to leave the 22 inch support in for the meet, but what's done is done. i will likely skip the atlanta portion of the journey, and hope talladega can still be salvaged.
the photo stuart posted is a recent one, as work on the car resumed a day or so ago.
i've been slow to update this, so now's the time
we decided to replace the inner fenders. since none of the front end is original to the car, the decision was a little easier. i ordered both inners and a core support, and picked them up at carlisle.
i'm glad we went this route, as there was a little more damage than it first appeared.
the rail was about a half inch out of place on the driver's side
moved it back to the rear bay of the shop to prepare for welding the new panels in
even though the car will be completely torn apart and dipped after talladega, a few problem areas were addressed as work continued
everything is welded into place at this point. it turned out nice and square, especially given the prior issues
running out of time before talladega, there was no sense in grinding the spot welds. that can take place once the car is disassembled
with just three weeks to get the car looking like a car, we moved it back to the front of the shop, and started seeing what fits. i've sourced parts from four or five places, so it's a crap shoot.
we cut off the lower lip on the 1970 fenders, and will do the finish work on that area, plus fill in the marker light hole, after alabama. templates are on the way from dave patik to locate and drill the fender scoops.
we need to figure out the best way to finish off the pieces that a regular charger headlight bracket mounts to. ideas, anyone?
the headlight doors were trimmed out and the pivot brackets were pop riveted to them. not bothering with the alignment, vacuum pods, or even headlight bulbs at this point, since all of this is for a single weekend.
the shop is located near the site of a former mental hospital. legend has it that some escapees still live in the woods surrounding the area. after years of doubting this, we had a first hand encounter with one of these poor souls. his shirt could stand up on its own, and Lord knows when he last had a haircut, but he was a pleasant enough fellow. he kept muttering about owning a car just like this, only his was red. something about once having a green one, too.
he offered to help with aligning things, so we tossed him a hammer. lo and behold, he didn't damage anything other than breaking a fingernail. we hear that he might have a blister or two, and his arm was so tired from swinging the hammer that he couldn't lift his second doughnut the next morning
knowing that things would need tweaking but short on time, the more correct looking z brackets were set aside for the ones i got with the nose. these fit spot on, saving us hours that we are short on to make the deadline
the fit of the nose is just as good, if not better, than it was presented to me. i think its builder was harder on his work than deserved. when you read this, thank you once again for both the parts and the friendship.
slapping everything together for the talladega event will allow us to get a sneak preview of what to expect once the real work begins this winter.
everything is finger tight in the photos with the nose hanging. we needed it in place since i won't be able to lend much help on the car this week.
it's not going to be pretty, but at least it's looking like it might actually come together enough to make it to alabama
dad passed away the weekend of the last reunion, and i vowed that his car would make it to the next one. it's nice to think that it might actually happen. i know he would have enjoyed sharing his love/hate relationship with his "lemon by chrysler corporation" with others
the final thing we did last evening was get the hood pins located. i still need to haul the hood itself out to the shop to whack the holes in it for these to pass though.
anyone have hole diameter info?
Great Progress!!!!! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
With a hammer in hand, Larry could ring his own bell......
Quote from: held1823 on September 23, 2019, 12:06:48 PM
the final thing we did last evening was get the hood pins located. i still need to haul the hood itself out to the shop to whack the holes in it for these to pass though.
anyone have hole diameter info?
I made the holes in the hood the same as the chrome piece on top of the hood that the pin goes through
Bryan
Great progress, good luck!
hood made it to the shop with the high value barn dust mostly still intact.
hopefully there are holes in both the hood and the fender tops this week
speaking of holes, we still need to cut them for the reflectors in the valance. i assume the marker bezel is a regular charger piece?
no clue where it came from, but i appear to have one side. will have to see if both are the same and if not, which side i have, so that i can start looking for the other one
that passenger side mirror has to go, as well
Not bad work for two wing nuts and a shakey rattle can
Ernie,
Congrats on all the progress!
Drop in a motor and trans and drive it!
I have attached 4 pictures for you on hood pin measurements.
The first one is from the inner edge of the fender to the center of the hood pin.
The second one is from the side edge of the hood to the center of the pin.
The third one is from the front of the hood to the center of the pin.
The last one is looking up into the bottom of the hood.
You see the the hole in the hood is bigger than the bezel opening.
MJ
thanks for the photos, john. they help a ton with locating the holes.
i had dave patik send me his template for the scoop holes. there was just one for the drivers side, but we should be to duplicate the marks for the right side.
any chance you could snap a few photos of that tape measure on your old fenders? i am a little shocked to see the hole laid out so off center (front to back) underneath the scoop. a visual is a lot more comforting than a sketch on a piece of cardboard.
thanks for all of your help, and looking forward to seeing you again in a few weeks
Ernie,
Your in luck!
I have one of the fenders out in the shop.
I have started to bead blast it in preparation of repairs.
So I have attached 4 pictures for you.
The first 3 use the front edge of the fender as a starting point and I work my way back.
The last picture is a side to side measurement of the screen hole.
MJ
thanks once again, john. the hole looks close enough to six inches that i may have a cure already in hand.
i bought a six inch hole saw a while back to make corn hole boards to give as Christmas gifts.
That tool might just have enough left in it to drill two more holes
:cheers: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :cheers: looking great with a nose . :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
rough cutting the scoop holes into the fenders
no sense in welding the screens in place until the car comes back apart
fender scoops and hood pins now in place, and starting to fit the valance.
not bothering with filling the 70 markers, or cutting out the correct ones, until restoration time
the valance is nice enough to make me consider just keeping it on the car, but i am still leaning towards a metal one from mike
if i go that route, this janek oem equivalent line piece will be available for sale sometime over the winter
the z brackets seen here will be sold once removed, as i have another pair on hand
debating on selling this steel nose cone, as an original piece might find its way here
turn signals, grille, and front spoiler are in place for now
we will finish off the studs on top of the grille frame later on, since making talladega is is only goal for now
we installed the latch tray just to strengthen the front end for the 1200 mile trip
all of the correct hardware will need to be sourced later on
we had to move the car to the back of the shop last night to tack the latch tray bracket on to the core support
it just happened to start sprinkling at that time, so the car saw its first drops of water since the mid 1980's
now all of the valuable barn find dust is ruined
for better or for worse, this is where we are stopping for now. it's not pretty, and will have to be pushed everywhere, but at least it will be there, fulfilling a vow made four years ago
You worked hard and did good , your Dad would be proud :angel:
Looking pretty darn good Ernie
Quote from: taxspeaker on October 07, 2019, 10:46:33 AM
Looking pretty darn good Ernie
thanks bob. our intent is to leave here around 6 am thursday, which should put us there in jeffersonville between 800 and 830.
Quote from: moparstuart on October 07, 2019, 10:21:54 AM
You worked hard and did good , your Dad would be proud :angel:
Yes!
Looking forward to seeing it there.
Quote from: moparstuart on October 07, 2019, 10:21:54 AM
You worked hard and did good , your Dad would be proud :angel:
more like spent a fortune gathering parts rather than hard work, but progress does happen when we can get shake moving
i have no doubt he is cleaning off the dust as we speak. it took decades to lovingly collect it, but he will wipe it all away without a second thought.
speaking of shake, this is his pride and joy. we went to high school together, and our dads knew each other from way back when. his dad even did a repaint on my old super bee, and never stopped mentioning that everything in his shop was purple afterward.
his dad bought the lotus around the time mine bought the daytona. it was cool to see them sitting side by side again, thirty plus years later on. the daytona is a pretty large vehicle, while the elan looks like it came off a kiddie ride at the county fair. both made for racing, although totally opposite forms of it.
his dad is where he learned to paint and do fiberglass work. his welding is suspect at times, but he's a great grinder....
Your car has really came together in a short time my friend. :2thumbs:
Hard work does pay off :yesnod: Enjoy your time down south
Curt
I agree with the others for a lot of progress in a short amount of time.
I really like the original "D" shaped hood pin clips!
Look forward to seeing you again in a few days.
MJ
shake wiped it down, which eliminated my barn find lie, and we loaded it up wednesday evening
we caught up with the bob jennings winged fleet a bit south of louisville, on thursday morning
our group later collected stuart just across the alabama line, had lunch (thanks, bob and jean), and continued on
we arrived at the museum around 6 pm Thursday, and were unable to get the car out to Tim's place for Friday's gathering.
After the Friday event,we unloaded it next to the museum, in what would become a prime location the next day
Mopar Action magazine shot a feature on the freshly unveiled Marty Robbins car, as mine sat in the background
Who knows, it may inadvertently find its way into a magazine photo shoot on its maiden outing
I spent the day checking out the rest of the show and catching up with old friends, neglecting to take many shots of my own car
With the car not running, Danny provided us with the world's first hemi powered uber ride on both Friday and Saturday
Sunday the car was relegated to the parking lot, so the Croxford's were our taxi for the trip inside the track
Once the race was rained out, we loaded up their bird and traveled together back up to Nashville
They spent the night there, while we journeyed the last 300 miles home
the reunion was the greatest car event i have ever seen, bar none
many thanks to those who helped along the way
hopefully there is another one in 2024, so this heap can attend under its own power
still trying to fill the void, four years later.
we got your car to the aero reunion as i vowed to do during our last days together, but it wasn't quite the same without you there to steal the show.
miss you much, dad
April 20, 1944 - October 17, 2015
Your dad would be pleased with all you have accomplished getting the car to the meet.
Quote from: Aero426 on October 17, 2019, 12:03:57 PM
Your dad would be pleased with all you have accomplished getting the car to the meet.
perhaps, but he would try not to show it. he would be asking "so why wasn't it running?" lol
Ernie - It was great to meet you and your crew, great job getting the car there and good luck with the actual resto!
It is still beyond comprehension that I could take these photos this morning. Real Daytona fenders, WOW.
I was resigned to using the modified 1970 fenders that are on the car now but I believe there will be a change in plans.
It is impossible to express my gratitude to Christine for such an unexpected and undeserved gift. You are beyond amazing.
Thank you to Bob Jennings as well. Not only did you bring them up from Texas, there is no doubt you also played a huge part in this.
These forums need a "like" button. So awesome, Ernie! :cheers:
Quote from: held1823 on October 17, 2019, 11:50:33 AM
still trying to fill the void, four years later.
we got your car to the aero reunion as i vowed to do during our last days together, but it wasn't quite the same without you there to steal the show.
miss you much, dad
April 20, 1944 - October 17, 2015
Quote from: held1823 on November 17, 2020, 11:59:37 AM
It is still beyond comprehension that I could take these photos this morning. Real Daytona fenders, WOW.
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Thank you to Bob Jennings as well. Not only did you bring them up from Texas, there is no doubt you also played a huge part in this.
Hi Ernie, 17 November 2020
We are sure of several things, one of which, came from your Dad.
The fenders are a gift from Your Father.
Bob, Dena and I are only the facilitators for Your Dad.
God Bless You and Your Family Ernie.
Best Always,
Bob, Dena and Christine
Quote from: held1823 on November 17, 2020, 11:59:37 AM
It is still beyond comprehension that I could take these photos this morning. Real Daytona fenders, WOW.
I was resigned to using the modified 1970 fenders that are on the car now but I believe there will be a change in plans.
It is impossible to express my gratitude to Christine for such an unexpected and undeserved gift. You are beyond amazing.
Thank you to Bob Jennings as well. Not only did you bring them up from Texas, there is no doubt you also played a huge part in this.
WOW is right!
An original PAIR of Daytona fenders making their way back to an original Daytona.
Congrats Ernie!
MJ
AWESOME Ernie! :cheers:
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :cheers: :cheers: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: Whats the next steps or plans :icon_smile_question: :icon_smile_question: :drool5:
Is It Done YET
Quote from: moparstuart on April 08, 2021, 01:55:30 PM
Is It Done YET
Hush, clown. I was busy meeting my out of pocket insurance max for both 2020
AND 2021. No car funds were left over after that ordeal
I did take the heap out for a ride a couple of months ago. The first photos were taken here in Indiana and the last ones about 550 miles south, where things sort of snowballed beyond the original plan. Christine might notice some familiar looking fenders off to the side in the last photo. Thank you (and Bob) again for such an incredible gesture
A few changes have taken place since these shots but I'm waiting on the better photos to add them here
stay tuned....
is it done yet :popcrn:
Ernie, it is awful nice of you to be fixing up my car for me. Saves me headaches in the future.
Quote from: 69_500 on April 29, 2022, 05:08:34 PM
Ernie, it is awful nice of you to be fixing up my car for me. Saves me headaches in the future.
i promise that my daughters will bleed you for every last dollar spent when the time comes
Quote from: held1823 on April 29, 2022, 05:20:59 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on April 29, 2022, 05:08:34 PM
Ernie, it is awful nice of you to be fixing up my car for me. Saves me headaches in the future.
i promise that my daughters will bleed you for every last dollar spent when the time comes
Hi Ernie, 29 April 2022
When's she going to be ready for "Show Time?"
Hope it's sooner than later.
Take Care Ernie, keep it in the family.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: 426HemiChick on April 29, 2022, 07:25:25 PM
Quote from: held1823 on April 29, 2022, 05:20:59 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on April 29, 2022, 05:08:34 PM
Ernie, it is awful nice of you to be fixing up my car for me. Saves me headaches in the future.
i promise that my daughters will bleed you for every last dollar spent when the time comes
Hi Ernie, 29 April 2022
When's she going to be ready for "Show Time?"
Hope it's sooner than later.
Take Care Ernie, keep it in the family.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
The car absolutely will remain with me until I'm planted. I'm doubtful either daughter will want it, so young Daniel is first in line to purchase it from them and then becomes their broker for the car if he passes on it.
Show time will definitely be later but you certainly played a large part in what has led to the work now underway. I will say that it is in the ONLY hands that I even considered to undertake this stage of the process. Here are your fenders disassembled for restoration, for an idea of the shop's metal working skills
Oh, you know I am not passing on any Daytona. You also know which ones I can afford too.
But I can assure you and anyone else that once a Daytona make its way into my garage, it will never leave as long as I am breathing.
Quote from: held1823 on April 29, 2022, 08:07:55 PM
The car absolutely will remain with me until I'm planted. I'm doubtful either daughter will want it, so young Daniel is first in line to purchase it from them and then becomes their broker for the car if he passes on it.
Show time will definitely be later but you certainly played a large part in what has led to the work now underway. I will say that it is in the ONLY hands that I even considered to undertake this stage of the process. Here are your fenders disassembled for restoration, for an idea of the shop's metal working skills
Hi Ernie, 06 May 2022
We know those fenders will look brand spanking new before they are installed on your Daytona. Keep up the great work and she will come alive again soon. They are your fenders, a gift from your Father. We were only the messengers/transporters selected by the Boss Up Stairs.
God Bless Ernie.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks