Had this saved on my computer when it was sent to me.And at Million 500 hundred thousand probably most exspensive daytona .It was Dave J and Bill J old car.Wonder if it ever sold?
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/Greenhemidaytona.jpg)
it looked like a really cool car. here are a couple pics from mopar nats '04:
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1/pettybird/04natscars004.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1/pettybird/04natscars002.jpg)
Thats the one of 2 hemi daytonas Dave J had .Long before that it was J Soneffs.And that car came from the same AZ dealership as the old Don Hicks black hemi 4 speed daytona
Oh its green! I'm afraid thats a deal breaker, and I was just getting ready to reach for my check book :smilielol:
that add was like 2 years ago now it's worth 3 million according to the add and yes it the most popular color dark green
Quote from: moparstuart on October 24, 2007, 11:58:01 AM
yes it the most popular color dark green
Then, or now?? :P
neither was being sarcastic sorry
Quote from: moparstuart on October 24, 2007, 01:11:57 PM
neither was being sarcastic sorry
No worries, I only said something because my R/T is "supposed" to be F8 Green. As you can see, it is anything but that color at the moment. I keep telling my wife that F8 was considered a very stylish color back in 1969, and she points to the calendar as if to say "It ain't 1969."
i like the color of yours now green was popular back then and a heck of alot of them where green
and i know your a numbers guy but I like it now and it will loook better next to the daytona ha ha ha
Gene, your still trying to make it sound like you really want to paint your car F8 green. Come on you can be honest with us here, you want to leave it V2 right? :nana:
You're right, I would prefer V2 even with the obvious "Yee Haw" connection. However, at least right now I can blame a previoius owner for the color change. That keeps the rabid numbers guys (lots of whom are way more dogmatic about things than I am) at bay.
There's something else to consider here though -- my wife hates F8 Green. So, if I paint the car back F8, she'll be more likely to approve swapping out this one for a different car. There is a guy from Canada that has an awesome R4 4-speed '69 HemiCharger which would look even better than my current R/T when parked next to the Daytona. Been trying to talk him into selling that car to me for a couple of years now. If that falls through, she might even go for upgrading to a second Daytona. Guess I can't play the color card and then go after this F8 HemiDaytona then, eh?
gene's pulling a troy and trying to trade up
wings are so addictive
Quote from: hemigeno on October 24, 2007, 04:30:15 PM
You're right, I would prefer V2 even with the obvious "Yee Haw" connection. However, at least right now I can blame a previoius owner for the color change. That keeps the rabid numbers guys (lots of whom are way more dogmatic about things than I am) at bay.
There's something else to consider here though -- my wife hates F8 Green. So, if I paint the car back F8, she'll be more likely to approve swapping out this one for a different car. There is a guy from Canada that has an awesome R4 4-speed '69 HemiCharger which would look even better than my current R/T when parked next to the Daytona. Been trying to talk him into selling that car to me for a couple of years now. If that falls through, she might even go for upgrading to a second Daytona. Guess I can't play the color card and then go after this F8 HemiDaytona then, eh?
Is the Canadian car you are talking about stripe delete and in Ontario Gene?
Quote from: moparstuart on October 24, 2007, 04:42:37 PM
gene's pulling a troy and trying to trade up
wings are so addictive
Thanks no lie...... Especially when my last name is Hawkes.... get it? Wings = Hawkes.. Sorry, couldn't resist.......
Quote from: Moparmatty on October 24, 2007, 05:28:18 PM
Is the Canadian car you are talking about stripe delete and in Ontario Gene?
It's not the same car -- maybe I should be asking you where the one in Ontario is... :icon_smile_big:
Here's more obscure history that no one cares about. The green Hemi Daytona was originally owned by an English teacher at my old high school in Scottsdale Az. At the time the car had a 70 charger front end on it and a dealer installed white top. Since there was no air and its REALLY HOT here, the white top was probably installed to help the interior stay a little cooler. She sold the car the year before I started high school ('77) to a local politician. He died unexpectedly in his early 40's from a heart attack. The car then went to Jay S. up in Denver.
Quote from: moparchris on October 25, 2007, 01:48:47 PM
Here's more obscure history that no one cares about. The green Hemi Daytona was originally owned by an English teacher at my old high school in Scottsdale Az. At the time the car had a 70 charger front end on it and a dealer installed white top. Since there was no air and its REALLY HOT here, the white top was probably installed to help the interior stay a little cooler. She sold the car the year before I started high school ('77) to a local politician. He died unexpectedly in his early 40's from a heart attack. The car then went to Jay S. up in Denver.
Gotta be this car then:
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/attachments/VTopDaytona01.jpg)
Geno you know what else the V2 goes with?
The truck lol :yesnod: :nana:
Id love to own that Daytona :drool5:
race the truck geno race the truck
If your refering to Gene's truck then V2 doesn't go with it. As the truck is painted R4 red.
Hey now Gene you can't go talking all crazy like and saying you want 2 wing cars. Leave some out there for me and Troy.
two's ok but those horders with three and 4 that need to stop ha ha ha I know several
I know its a different color but it still looks good on the truck :yesnod: :2thumbs: I have seen the truck in person, but I have not seen the charger but he told me they were different colors at the time.
I guess I shouldn't say much due to family ties. heck when I was 10 I thought everyone had a yard full of wing cars. If a person didn't have at least 4 we didn't go visit them.
Quote from: moparstuart on October 25, 2007, 04:17:25 PM
race the truck geno race the truck
:smilielol:
I'll take on Dale Jarrett and the UPS truck anytime... :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: 69_500 on October 25, 2007, 04:29:06 PM
Hey now Gene you can't go talking all crazy like and saying you want 2 wing cars. Leave some out there for me and Troy.
Have no fear, that's not very likely to happen. I'd have to:
1. Get done with the Daytona restoration
2. Recover from that financial drain
3. Spend a commensurate amount on things that my wife & rest of the family have an interest in
4. Actually start a restoration on the R/T
5. Have the car in F8 trim around long enough that my wife would get tired of looking at it
6. Lobby for the winged upgrade
7. Find either an outright buyer for the R/T or someone who wanted to work out a partial trade for a 2nd Daytona
Not a very likely scenario, and the odds pale in comparison to those of Troy's or yours. It never hurts to dream though, does it?
Quote from: abebummy26 on October 25, 2007, 03:06:03 PM
Geno you know what else the V2 goes with?
The truck lol :yesnod: :nana:
Lincoln, the two colors (R4 & V2) go together better than R6 and V2 would... The truck's original color was much closer to R6 than R4 (it might have even been a little darker than R6), but I wanted the truck to match the Daytona. If I'd have painted the truck V2, everyone would have assumed it was an old Highway Department truck! Now that we have taken this thread WAY off course...
A 4-speed HemiDaytona looks good in any color IMHO.
Sorry my fault :brickwall: .
The green hemi daytona earliest owner was a Pat Harper
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 25, 2007, 05:17:01 PM
The green hemi daytona earliest owner was a Pat Harper
Yes, that's Pat Harper's Daytona, and the pictures were taken in my driveway. My next door neighbor was a Corvair fanatic, and if you look carefully in the background, you'll see several Corvairs. (my brother actually bought a turbo corvair from the guy, but wound up selling it back.) :hah: Pat was a photographer, and he did run for Congress on the Libertarian ticket. Pat died of a brain aneurysm, not a heart attack.
The same day those pictures were taken, we (Jim R, Joe M, Pat Harper, my brother, me and a couple other guys who drove over from California) drove around Phoenix to all the Aero Cars that us locals knew about. One was a 500, brown with a vinyl roof, 440 auto and air. This would have been 1975, maybe 1976.
Quote from: moparstuart on October 25, 2007, 04:34:36 PM
two's ok but those horders with three and 4 that need to stop ha ha ha I know several
BOOYAH
Quote from: hemigeno on October 25, 2007, 11:56:55 AM
Quote from: Moparmatty on October 24, 2007, 05:28:18 PM
Is the Canadian car you are talking about stripe delete and in Ontario Gene?
It's not the same car -- maybe I should be asking you where the one in Ontario is... :icon_smile_big:
Glad to hear it's not the same car. LOL!!!!!! I think you'd have to pry the keys to the car I'm talking about from the owner's cold dead hands. It is a truely beautiful car.
Bruce,
Am I correct then that Pat purchased the car from the English teacher at my old high school? My friends who graduated before I got there were adamant that that Daytona resided in the faculty parking lot in the early to mid 70's.
Quote from: moparchris on October 26, 2007, 12:21:06 PM
Bruce,
Am I correct then that Pat purchased the car from the English teacher at my old high school? My friends who graduated before I got there were adamant that that Daytona resided in the faculty parking lot in the early to mid 70's.
Unlikely. When I first met Pat Harper, he owned the Daytona. That would have been 1975 or 1976. I remember looking at the car before Pat bought it, some guy in his early '20's owned (and drag raced) it; this was before I bought my first SuperBird in 1974. I didn't have the money to buy a nose, so I passed on it. :brickwall:
Even then it wasn't cheap to find a nose cone. I know my dad paid almost as much for a spare nose cone in 1982 as he did for an entired Daytona.
Somewhere in the mid 80-s I found a NOS daytona nose cone $3000.00. ;DHeres the number
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/NOSDAYTONANOSE.jpg)
Bruce,
The history of this Daytona is starting to baffle me. The guys that went to my school before me are car guys and at a later date owned (among other cars) a 71 Hemi cuda convertable. They described this Daytona to a tee. Dark green, white top, black wing as sitting in the faculty parking lot. Obviously there were not two green hemi Daytona's with no nose running around the valley in the early-mid 70's. Was Pat Harper married? Perhaps his wife drove the car from time to time?
Don't think he was married. Girlfriend maybe? :shruggy:
BTW, everybody, sorry about the hijack of the thread. :'(
No problem whatsoever we welcome collaberating facts on a car in subject
This is far from a hijack. As far as I can tell you two are talking about the same car, not definate but odds are. I mean how many green HEMI Daytona's were in that area at the time that were minus a nose cone?
Wonder what it's worth now with this bad economy? LEON. :scratchchin:
Quote from: moparchris on October 26, 2007, 12:21:06 PM
Bruce,
Am I correct then that Pat purchased the car from the English teacher at my old high school? My friends who graduated before I got there were adamant that that Daytona resided in the faculty parking lot in the early to mid 70's.
Here is a pic of it when Bruce Lear took my dad (Joe Machado) and Jim Radke and a few others to see it.. There is the Corvair that Bruce really wants... :nana:
This is also the same IRS car that was seized from Phil Jackson a while back. There is another thread about the story.
Do I spy a '66 / '67 Coronet wagon in the background?
:thumbs:
This is probably just an optical illusion, but does that wing look to be painted F8 Green in Sean's last picture rather than black?
It does appear so doesn't it?
Quote from: Ghoste on July 19, 2010, 09:45:16 AM
It does appear so doesn't it?
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: black stripe but green wing
I grew up in a house at the end of a culdesac. My neighbor 2 doors down did have a mid 60's mopar wagon. My next door neighbor had more Corvairs than my brother and I had Mopars. Good thing we had large yards back then! I do recall the wing on Pat Harper's car being body colored instead of black (I see the wing and stripe are white now). The guy who owned it before Pat bought it told me that the wing was there to prevent anybody from drafting off the Daytona. But when he drove it without the wing, he noticed a difference above 80MPH.
Quote from: moparstuart on July 19, 2010, 10:15:14 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on July 19, 2010, 09:45:16 AM
It does appear so doesn't it?
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: black stripe but green wing
Alright, if that's the case, here's some more grist for the mill...
If you look at the black stripe, it appears to have been installed too close to the rear valance corner seam for how Creative Industries normally installed the stripe. Add to that the fact that the reflector bezels also appear to be green - and you have to wonder if the car could have been one of the very few which may have come from Creative Industries without a Daytona stripe and with a body-colored wing.
Now, before the thought police swoops in to drop the hammer on me, let me add that it's VERY apparent that significant body work has been done to the car. After all, we know (I'm convinced even if others aren't) it didn't roll out of Creative Industries with a '70 Charger front clip OR the vinyl top. Perhaps without DayOne photos it may be hard to prove/disprove this, but it's food for thought anyway.
:scratchchin:
Was this car also missing the emblem in the middle of the tail panel as well. I don't see a Charger emblem in there at all.
Quote from: learical1 on July 19, 2010, 11:04:38 AM
I grew up in a house at the end of a culdesac. My neighbor 2 doors down did have a mid 60's mopar wagon. My next door neighbor had more Corvairs than my brother and I had Mopars. Good thing we had large yards back then! I do recall the wing on Pat Harper's car being body colored instead of black (I see the wing and stripe are white now). The guy who owned it before Pat bought it told me that the wing was there to prevent anybody from drafting off the Daytona. But when he drove it without the wing, he noticed a difference above 80MPH.
500 ft/lbs of downforce will do that :scratchchin:
Quote from: hemigeno on July 19, 2010, 11:09:03 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on July 19, 2010, 10:15:14 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on July 19, 2010, 09:45:16 AM
It does appear so doesn't it?
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: black stripe but green wing
Alright, if that's the case, here's some more grist for the mill...
If you look at the black stripe, it appears to have been installed too close to the rear valance corner seam for how Creative Industries normally installed the stripe. Add to that the fact that the reflector bezels also appear to be green - and you have to wonder if the car could have been one of the very few which may have come from Creative Industries without a Daytona stripe and with a body-colored wing.
Now, before the thought police swoops in to drop the hammer on me, let me add that it's VERY apparent that significant body work has been done to the car. After all, we know (I'm convinced even if others aren't) it didn't roll out of Creative Industries with a '70 Charger front clip OR the vinyl top. Perhaps without DayOne photos it may be hard to prove/disprove this, but it's food for thought anyway.
:scratchchin:
Many dealerships would convert these Daytona's & Superbirds to regular looking Chargers or Roadrunners to try to sell at end of year if nobody bought them. Back then they were ugly & hard to sell. LEON.
That's become a common tale for sure but does anyone REALLY of many instances where that took place? By really know, I mean that there is hard evidence not just anecdotal? Especially in the case of Daytonas?
Quote from: hemigeno on July 19, 2010, 11:09:03 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on July 19, 2010, 10:15:14 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on July 19, 2010, 09:45:16 AM
It does appear so doesn't it?
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: black stripe but green wing
Alright, if that's the case, here's some more grist for the mill...
If you look at the black stripe, it appears to have been installed too close to the rear valance corner seam for how Creative Industries normally installed the stripe. ADD to that the fact that the reflector bezels also appear to be green - and you have to wonder if the car could have been one of the very few which may have come from Creative Industries without a Daytona stripe and with a declared wing.
Now, before the thought police swoops in to drop the hammer on me, let me add that it's VERY apparent that significant body work has been done to the car. After all, we know (I'm convinced even if others aren't) it didn't roll out of Creative Industries with a '70 Charger front clip OR the vinyl top. Perhaps without DayOne photos it may be hard to prove/disprove this, but it's food for thought anyway.
:scratchchin:
The nose of the Daytona was knocked off at an intersection. That is what Pat told everyone. Is that correct Bruce? That is what my dad told me.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on July 19, 2010, 06:49:58 PM
Quote from: hemigeno on July 19, 2010, 11:09:03 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on July 19, 2010, 10:15:14 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on July 19, 2010, 09:45:16 AM
It does appear so doesn't it?
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: black stripe but green wing
Alright, if that's the case, here's some more grist for the mill...
If you look at the black stripe, it appears to have been installed too close to the rear valance corner seam for how Creative Industries normally installed the stripe. Add to that the fact that the reflector bezels also appear to be green - and you have to wonder if the car could have been one of the very few which may have come from Creative Industries without a Daytona stripe and with a body-colored wing.
Now, before the thought police swoops in to drop the hammer on me, let me add that it's VERY apparent that significant body work has been done to the car. After all, we know (I'm convinced even if others aren't) it didn't roll out of Creative Industries with a '70 Charger front clip OR the vinyl top. Perhaps without DayOne photos it may be hard to prove/disprove this, but it's food for thought anyway.
:scratchchin:
Many dealerships would convert these Daytona's & Superbirds to regular looking Chargers or Roadrunners to try to sell at end of year if nobody bought them. Back then they were ugly & hard to sell. LEON.
I don't know of any Daytona's that were converted to sell as new cars. There was a few Superbirds that I know of. Daytona's hit the Dealers after the 70 Charger came out. In fact, all of them except the first one.
Quote from: C5X DAYTONA on July 20, 2010, 02:22:53 AM
The nose of the Daytona was knocked off at an intersection. That is what Pat told everyone. Is that correct Bruce? That is what my dad told me.
Can you say "Right turn on red"? Pulled out a little too far. That's what the guy who owned it before Pat Harper said.
Got Jan MGC .They did a few pages on this car.And its past and present owners.But didnt mention the IRS seizure and return of the daytona
"Many dealerships would convert these Daytona's & Superbirds to regular looking Chargers or Roadrunners to try to sell at end of year if nobody bought them. Back then they were ugly & hard to sell. LEON."
Not to be a wise guy, I love the look of the Aero cars but not one friend of mine does. They all think it's the ugliest thing that rolls down the road. And this is now time. So not much has changed. :-\
I even have one friend that has told me if I was to sell my car for a Daytona he wouldn't talk to me anymore. :rofl:
Also about the green comments ( I don't care for green either ) back in the day almost all the 69 chargers in my area were green on green on green. :eek2: ( sorry green owners ). :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on December 25, 2010, 08:49:40 AM
"Many dealerships would convert these Daytona's & Superbirds to regular looking Chargers or Roadrunners to try to sell at end of year if nobody bought them. Back then they were ugly & hard to sell. LEON."
Not to be a wise guy, I love the look of the Aero cars but not one friend of mine does. They all think it's the ugliest thing that rolls down the road. And this is now time. So not much has changed. :-\
I even have one friend that has told me if I was to sell my car for a Daytona he wouldn't talk to me anymore. :rofl:
Also about the green comments ( I don't care for green either ) back in the day almost all the 69 chargers in my area were green on green on green. :eek2: ( sorry green owners ). :icon_smile_big:
You should of asked Santa for some new friends! :lol:
Agree. I also never have known of a Daytona converted to a Charger as a new car to sell.. Only a couple birds were converted and the story gets blown out.. Had to do more with not being able to insure than nobody want them..
I never seen of or heard of a dealer converted daytona.Just superbirds .The MCG story made no mention of another owner of this car.Bill Jurevich Hollister CA