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Title: Mid 70s 440 engine cranks but won't start
Post by: Norv on March 19, 2018, 04:31:08 PM
So, my mid 70's 440 (automatic) is cranking (turning over) but won't start. Was running fine one weekend, would not start the next. It has an electronic distributor (the type Chrysler started using in 1972. I replaced the ballast resistor, but that did not fix it. I don't think it's the coil. I keep hearing a buzzing noise when I let off trying to start it (sounds like something electrical is loading up?). The buzzing seems to be up front near the distributor and coil. Any ideas? Distributor, voltage regulator, ????

Title: Re: Mid 70s 440 engine cranks but won't start
Post by: John_Kunkel on March 19, 2018, 05:06:30 PM
Have you done the basic stuff like check for spark? If there's no spark, try this:

Disconnect the engine harness connector at the distributor, turn on the ignition switch and touch the male prong on the engine harness to ground. Each time the prong is grounded and pulled away you should get a spark from the coil. If it sparks, the distributor pickup is the problem, if not it's the primary wiring, ECU or coil.
Title: Re: Mid 70s 440 engine cranks but won't start
Post by: Norv on March 20, 2018, 09:44:49 AM
Yes, there's spark at the coil. I'll check the other stuff. Just wondered if any one had a similar problem. Plus, I'm use to changing points, not working on this electronic distributor.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Mid 70s 440 engine cranks but won't start
Post by: NHCharger on March 27, 2018, 08:59:42 PM
Check your voltage at the coil. Make sure you have 12 volts in both the run position and start position in regards to your key.
So you have ruled out any problems with your carb or fuel pump?
Title: Re: Mid 70s 440 engine cranks but won't start
Post by: 69wannabe on March 29, 2018, 09:08:04 PM
It's possible you module box went bad, check for spark at your spark plugs. If no spark it may be a bad coil or module box. Check for voltage at the resistor too
Title: Re: Mid 70s 440 engine cranks but won't start
Post by: Bronzedodge on March 31, 2018, 07:22:44 AM
There's a buzzing?  It is likely the ECU then.  Make sure the ground is good for your new one.
Title: Re: Mid 70s 440 engine cranks but won't start
Post by: Norv on March 31, 2018, 09:41:46 AM
Thanks, I'll check it.
Title: Re: Mid 70s 440 engine cranks but won't start
Post by: Nacho-RT74 on March 31, 2018, 10:14:54 AM
Quote from: NHCharger on March 27, 2018, 08:59:42 PM
Check your voltage at the coil. Make sure you have 12 volts in both the run position and start position in regards to your key.


incorrect, just in Start... in RUN should be anywhere between 4.5 and 9V.

pickup coil dist must be in between 150 and 900 ohms ( tipically 250-300 ). I'd check it at ECU plug, to be sure dist plug is also good.

One of the pickup coil wires pins ( can't remember which one ) must get continuity with chassis

the voltage at - lead of coil with key in RUN must be the same at the ECU end of the wire ( checking for wire conditions )... black traced yellow.

Blue traced yellow wire at ECU must read same voltage than Blue wire at ballast.

ECU must be good grounded.
Title: Re: Mid 70s 440 engine cranks but won't start
Post by: NHCharger on March 31, 2018, 05:37:18 PM
Good catch Nacho. I'm running Firecore RTR systems in both my 440's. Not a stock system.
Title: Re: Mid 70s 440 engine cranks but won't start
Post by: Norv on April 12, 2018, 08:09:03 AM
Fixed!  It was not electronics. Apparently the carburetor was clogged.  Go figure.....
Title: Re: Mid 70s 440 engine cranks but won't start
Post by: birdsandbees on April 12, 2018, 09:12:21 AM
You had spark.. and air.. all you needed was fuel. Why I have a small plastic pepsi bottle full of fuel in the shop with a hole drilled in the lid.

I'm thinking a lot of the "no start" and died at the lights threads have a similar theme. OLD GAS that has turned to varnish.

Tried to start my wife's Vette two days ago and killed both my booster packs cranking. Had spark, air AND FUEL squirting out the carb accelerators. No start, not even a hint. One squirt of fresh gas from my bottle the next morning, after charging the booster packs back up, and instant fire.

Drained her fuel tank of old fuel (dark as varnish) and put in a few gallons of fresh stuff. Fired on the squirt bottle and had to keep it running on same until the fresh fuel made it through the line and it then idled away just like it always had.
Title: Re: Mid 70s 440 engine cranks but won't start
Post by: Norv on April 12, 2018, 04:25:41 PM
Mine did not have old gas. Either the carb was clogged, or the fuel was bad from the gas station. I'm just glad it's running!!