what you read. Covid arrived at my actual home.
I share a flat with one of my cousin's wife and their kids and she got Covid. She is fine by now, but at the hospital to keep her under control. I was out of home on the last 10 days in another city, visiting part of my family living in Malaga Spain ( I'm living in Valencia ) and she began to feel bad 4 days ago.
When she got Covid ? we dunno. Maybe before I left home... or maybe during my absence. Fortunatelly since I arrived home and she went to the hospital we shared just 10 hours and not really close to each other, BUT we share of course dishes, pans, forks, glasses... etc. AND her kids ( teenagers really ) are here anyway.
Hospital will be sending nurses to home to make the test to us and she will be getting a second test to confirm.
She use to wear mask on his face anytime, but she work making nails on beauty salon, where she get a lot of contact with ppl. Aside that she has more social life than me.
Now... I could get Covid still being carefull myself, but caused by another ppl around me ( I'm not blamming her, but is the fact ). By now, I have just a small headache, which is not a regular Covid symptom.
sooooo... now you see the IMPORTANCE of get ourself protected TO ALSO PROTECT TO THE PPL AROUND YOU ? just like get respect over a traffic light to the rest of ppl life and rights.
I hope my test will result negative. I have been without job for long time and I'm supposeling starting on a job this september for at least 1 month. This will get me without job again.
and there is ppl still not taking this seriouslly, afecting to the ppl around who really cares.
Really I'm not obsessed with this deal about the mask and protection, BUT I try to take care for myself and those around me using the common sense and the mask over my face when is a must.
Nacho
I am sorry to hear this and wish you and your relatives a speedy recovery. I know from experience of friends and people around where I live that it can get very serious and have serious side effects that last for months. I also understand that majority do not have these issues and hope this is the case for you and your relatives.
I hope this will make everyone here stop and THINK.
Best wishes to you and yours!
Whoa. Scary.
Best of luck with it, Nacho.
You'll be fine.
BTW one of her uncles, died in Venezuela due the covid 2 weeks ago, also one friend. Neither of both had any other diseases or pathology. Her uncle was working on one of the campaign hospitals being installed on an events dome tipically used in Caracas for live concerts called "El Poliedro".
Will I be fine? Mostly sure yes ( still waiting for the hospital sending the nurses to the test ), but what's the deal with my post? I took care, and I know she took care too, but if rest of ppl doesn't take care TOO, just my own protection is not enough.
Is the same than traffic lights. Is not enough if I respect it but the rest of ppl around doesn't. My own rights are being violated by the rest of ppl because some ppl thinks the goverment could be violating their rights to have the mask or not and take their own risk to get sick...
On my visit to Málaga I was with my grand uncle who was on her 89 YO birthday. She is on a wheel chair and with Alzheimer, but also smoked a lot for years so if she gets Covid could easily die. What about if I got Covid before my trip and could pass to her? So is not just about I can be fine, but more ppl around.
Is not about being obsessed with the mask and protection, but just use the common sense and being responsable
Some people are born to worry. The media loves these people because they tune in all the time. Their conscious mind wants to be reassured, their subconscious feeds on the bad news.
Meanwhile, those that don't watch the media, don't seem to be having the same problems.
Live your life how you want.
A stark difference in ideology is that some want to force others to adopt their mindset and some are willing to let the individuals decide for themselves.
The virus won't care what you think when it comes for you, you may not even know it used you to spread. Ignorance is bliss until it's you gasping for your next breath.
Damn! This is not about media... is MY OWN EXPERIENCE RIGHT NOW!... I don't watch TV more than necessary and I don't eat $h1t from media ever! I just use my common sense!
Quote from: b5blue on August 24, 2020, 03:56:29 PM
The virus won't care what you think when it comes for you, you may not even know it used you to spread. Ignorance is bliss until it's you gasping for your next breath.
I already had it, most likely. I feel great. The Wife feels great. Everyone in my family feels great. The reports have stated repeatedly that the goal of any shutdown was NOT to stop the virus but to manage the rate at which people were infected so hospitals were not swarmed with a huge amount of people at once.
Use your head, not your emotions. Hysterical women and losers act on emotion. Sensible people act on common sense and facts.
You seem hung up on "the shutdown". (We are talking about the virus.) When the American C-19 death toll equaled Nam. deaths you dropped in on my topic yapping like your doing here. From then till now 110,000 MORE dead but hey you post pics of welder in a topic for Charger pics and have stated you "Try to piss folks off for fun" so here we go again. Dismissing Nacho's concerns just puts your head up your butt. (Farther.) :lol:
Quote from: Kern Dog on August 24, 2020, 06:52:00 PM
Quote from: b5blue on August 24, 2020, 03:56:29 PM
The virus won't care what you think when it comes for you, you may not even know it used you to spread. Ignorance is bliss until it's you gasping for your next breath.
I already had it, most likely. I feel great. The Wife feels great. Everyone in my family feels great. The reports have stated repeatedly that the goal of any shutdown was NOT to stop the virus but to manage the rate at which people were infected so hospitals were not swarmed with a huge amount of people at once.
Use your head, not your emotions. Hysterical women and losers act on emotion. Sensible people act on common sense and facts.
A thousand deaths a day? The rest of the the world is laughing at the USA. Without leadership from Trump, your Fucked.
Quote from: b5blue on August 24, 2020, 08:51:17 PM
You seem hung up on "the shutdown". (We are talking about the virus.) When the American C-19 death toll equaled Nam. deaths you dropped in on my topic yapping like your doing here. From then till now 110,000 MORE dead but hey you post pics of welder in a topic for Charger pics and have stated you "Try to piss folks off for fun" so here we go again. Dismissing Nacho's concerns just puts your head up your butt. (Farther.) :lol:
You are obviously a sad person that holds grudges. Otherwise, you'd be in a better mood.
I don't believe that the death count is accurate when every death no matter the cause gets a COVID stamp next to it. Tell me that you are not stupid enough to have NOT heard that yet...? The feds pay $27,000 to the victims families when a case is stamped COVID, the hospital gets a stipend from the Feds when a death is stamped COVID. Keep believing that there is no agenda attached to it. Keep looking like a foolish asshole that bends over and takes it in the ass from the media and anyone else.
I don't fall for shit like this. I don't trust the media, I don't trust most of the elected, I don't trust Doctors that spend more time in front of a camera than they do in front of patients. The people that I have met and read from that believe this shit are by far, the type that thinks opposite from me in social issues. Fuck them. I have no respect for those that are willing to kill babies but coddle criminals.
Finally, you are clearly a petty minded prick to use the picture of a welder as a means to pick a fight. The car is clearly visible in the background. Only an asshole with no valid argument or evidence would use that as a means to bitch about someone. The thread was titled "Post your latest Charger photo". That was the most recent that I took.
Keep being scared and worried. I'll be the man and keep the country moving ahead like I always do.
Don't get in my way though. You need me to earn so you can get your EBT card charged up each month.
Quote from: b5blue on August 24, 2020, 08:51:17 PM
You seem hung up on "the shutdown".
To add, the reference to the
shutdown was made to illustrate that the people in charge, the ones that YOUR KIND seem to trust, expressed that hiding from the virus won't stop you from getting it. The goal was to spread out the incidents of the infection. They have stated numerous times that aside from a vaccine, most people will get it.
Again, you will probably not understand this but being the optimistic type, I thought it was worth a shot.
FACTs ahead....
Once again this is becoming on a "political" thread and I'm not the one who is talking about that. I'm just warning you that it can happens to you. If ppl around you doesn't take the same care than you, you can fall into the disease, so EVERYBODY must be carefully. Is not an individual responsability, like just get a condom to keep safe from aids, but is a social responsability.
Updating:
My cousin's wife is still at the hospital and will get a second test made to be sure about the need to send the nurses to my home to make the test to me and her sons.
She had some fever, bones pain, and small pneumonia last week, hence the reason to go to the hospital with symptoms related to Covid.
Praying for you Nacho to stay safe and your family to get better!
Good luck Nacho....I agree with all you said. KD has a point....as always.....but its easy to be complacent if you are healthy and/or have had it and recovered of being asymptomatic. Im sure folks views change a lot when they lose they mother/father etc. Peoples freedom and the right to choose is important.....but at the moment the right for others to be protected from a virus you might be carrying needs to come first. Just my opinion of course.
I apologize for dragging this back up, but I do not see a point. I see a very sensitive and triggered person who has reacted when questioned. I agree there is high level misinformation campaign is not from the side he thinks. I have no idea where he gets his news or ideas, but he has bought in with the rest of the sheep.
right now I know three people who covid at this time one is not doing well another broke her hip then got covid while in the hospital but she was not well before this the last one I don't no too much about his condition I think I had it in November last year I took steps to head it off I tried to build up immunity took zinc d3 and tonic water (quinine) the worst lasted about two days
I don't think you could have had it as long ago as November.....I think the very first case in the World was not confirmed until December 19 and the first confirmed US case was Jan 20...a man who returned from Wuham......
updating, she got a negative on second test, but since she has some symptoms will be under observation for more days at the hospital. For a while I will request for a test on the local ambulatory just in case.
Quote from: oldgold69 on August 25, 2020, 09:54:07 PM
right now I know three people who covid at this time one is not doing well another broke her hip then got covid while in the hospital but she was not well before this the last one I don't no too much about his condition I think I had it in November last year I took steps to head it off I tried to build up immunity took zinc d3 and tonic water (quinine) the worst lasted about two days
Man, would be nice some dots and commas on this LOL
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on August 26, 2020, 08:23:08 AM
updating, she got a negative on second test, but since she has some symptoms will be under observation for more days at the hospital. For a while I will request for a test on the local ambulatory just in case.
Quote from: oldgold69 on August 25, 2020, 09:54:07 PM
right now I know three people who covid at this time one is not doing well another broke her hip then got covid while in the hospital but she was not well before this the last one I don't no too much about his condition I think I had it in November last year I took steps to head it off I tried to build up immunity took zinc d3 and tonic water (quinine) the worst lasted about two days
Man, would be nice some dots and commas on this LOL
Without getting political, if the test is negative, why is she still in the hospital and why are you getting a test?
One Doctor said it is like a cold.
For colds, I make large travel mugs of tea to stay hydrated. I like Red Zinger by Celestial Seasonings. It has a berry flavor and is made with a lot of natural sources of Vitamin C. I put honey in it too. My Dad likes Blackberry Brandy for colds, but in my tea, I sometimes spike it with Bailey's.
I said, I might have had it the last week of November. People come and go all over the world and no one ever comes to Wisconsin. Wisconsin didn't send a delegation of business people to china in October and November. There are no college students from china studying in the medical research department at UW Madison. Nobody was looking for it then I might have had a good cold. A lot of people I knew had colds around that time they went to the doctor. They said it was viral. Nacho did you talk to my wife. She's always giving me a hard time about punctuation . It's easier to just put the words on the page. and not worry about grammar. Now for the final nail in my coffin. I only wear a mask when I have to go to the doctor. Everywhere else I never wear one. Now let it fly.
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on August 26, 2020, 09:34:19 AM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on August 26, 2020, 08:23:08 AM
updating, she got a negative on second test, but since she has some symptoms will be under observation for more days at the hospital. For a while I will request for a test on the local ambulatory just in case.
Quote from: oldgold69 on August 25, 2020, 09:54:07 PM
right now I know three people who covid at this time one is not doing well another broke her hip then got covid while in the hospital but she was not well before this the last one I don't no too much about his condition I think I had it in November last year I took steps to head it off I tried to build up immunity took zinc d3 and tonic water (quinine) the worst lasted about two days
Man, would be nice some dots and commas on this LOL
Without getting political, if the test is negative, why is she still in the hospital and why are you getting a test?
We can call it prevention at this moment. She still has pneumonia. We all know also the test available at this moment are not 100% accurate. I guess she will get another test.
there are covid cases in the neigborhood
Quote from: oldgold69 on August 26, 2020, 03:23:43 PM
Nacho did you talk to my wife. She's always giving me a hard time about punctuation . It's easier to just put the words on the page. and not worry about grammar.
No I didn't LOL, easier for you but harder for the rest of us... I mean if you care the rest of us
Nacho. I will try and remember my high school English. It's been 45 years ago. Never had to write much till I started on the web. Then I forget there are members from other countries. Hope all goes well on your end. Will pray for her recovery
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on August 26, 2020, 04:48:26 PM
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on August 26, 2020, 09:34:19 AM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on August 26, 2020, 08:23:08 AM
updating, she got a negative on second test, but since she has some symptoms will be under observation for more days at the hospital. For a while I will request for a test on the local ambulatory just in case.
Quote from: oldgold69 on August 25, 2020, 09:54:07 PM
right now I know three people who covid at this time one is not doing well another broke her hip then got covid while in the hospital but she was not well before this the last one I don't no too much about his condition I think I had it in November last year I took steps to head it off I tried to build up immunity took zinc d3 and tonic water (quinine) the worst lasted about two days
Man, would be nice some dots and commas on this LOL
Without getting political, if the test is negative, why is she still in the hospital and why are you getting a test?
We can call it prevention at this moment. She still has pneumonia. We all know also the test available at this moment are not 100% accurate. I guess she will get another test.
there are covid cases in the neigborhood
Quote from: oldgold69 on August 26, 2020, 03:23:43 PM
Nacho did you talk to my wife. She's always giving me a hard time about punctuation . It's easier to just put the words on the page. and not worry about grammar.
No I didn't LOL, easier for you but harder for the rest of us... I mean if you care the rest of us
Which test isnt accurate, the positve or the negative? Which one do i panic over? Or do i worry about either?
Nacho. I just heard about my one friend He got pneumonia too. they intubated him and now needs dialysis My brother had sepsis, and they did all the same stuff to him It something to look at. Just :Twocents:
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on August 26, 2020, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on August 26, 2020, 04:48:26 PM
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on August 26, 2020, 09:34:19 AM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on August 26, 2020, 08:23:08 AM
updating, she got a negative on second test, but since she has some symptoms will be under observation for more days at the hospital. For a while I will request for a test on the local ambulatory just in case.
Quote from: oldgold69 on August 25, 2020, 09:54:07 PM
right now I know three people who covid at this time one is not doing well another broke her hip then got covid while in the hospital but she was not well before this the last one I don't no too much about his condition I think I had it in November last year I took steps to head it off I tried to build up immunity took zinc d3 and tonic water (quinine) the worst lasted about two days
Man, would be nice some dots and commas on this LOL
Without getting political, if the test is negative, why is she still in the hospital and why are you getting a test?
We can call it prevention at this moment. She still has pneumonia. We all know also the test available at this moment are not 100% accurate. I guess she will get another test.
there are covid cases in the neigborhood
Quote from: oldgold69 on August 26, 2020, 03:23:43 PM
Nacho did you talk to my wife. She's always giving me a hard time about punctuation . It's easier to just put the words on the page. and not worry about grammar.
No I didn't LOL, easier for you but harder for the rest of us... I mean if you care the rest of us
Which test isnt accurate, the positve or the negative? Which one do i panic over? Or do i worry about either?
The COVID test available at this moment gets the result right 80-90% of the cases ( depending on the kind of test ), hence reason to make it several times. If she got positive once it must kept under observation specially with symptoms associated to. I can't tell if the positive result can be wrong or not.
To travel across country for a party, or traveling across town to drink in bar is putting fellow Americans in danger. It is rude in the least, and at worst, the case can be made for a charge of Depraved Indifference, a crime that is actionable in civil court. i.e. one can be sued for infecting others. That is a big reason why the Republicans are holding up all legislation; they demand immunity for those who endanger their neighbors not out of necessity, but for fun and profit.
It's one thing if we get exposed through bad luck, it's a totally different thing if we get exposed because of indifference.
Depraved Indifference Law and Legal Definition:
To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant's conduct must be 'so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant's conduct, not the injuries actually resulting.
Kern Dog, you have slipped back into former bad habits. Insulting fellow members is not cool and you certainly wouldn't like it if someone responded in kind.
Bad habits?
How about politics? I have yet to mention anything specific yet I see that you and someone else has.
Quote from: greycharger on August 27, 2020, 10:25:19 AM
To travel across country for a party, or traveling across town to drink in bar is putting fellow Americans in danger. It is rude in the least, and at worst, the case can be made for a charge of Depraved Indifference, a crime that is actionable in civil court. i.e. one can be sued for infecting others. That is a big reason why the Republicans are holding up all legislation; they demand immunity for those who endanger their neighbors not out of necessity, but for fun and profit.
It's one thing if we get exposed through bad luck, it's a totally different thing if we get exposed because of indifference.
Depraved Indifference Law and Legal Definition:
To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant's conduct must be 'so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant's conduct, not the injuries actually resulting.
Kern Dog, you have slipped back into former bad habits. Insulting fellow members is not cool and you certainly wouldn't like it if someone responded in kind.
Morals are mainly based on opinion. If i chose to go to a bar to have a drink, how does that affect you in a sense that YOU can sue me for it. Unless you also CHOOSE to go to the bar to have a drink with me. And at that point, your moral lawsuit has just become invalid because you made the choice to go out. If you are scared to death, then by all means stay home. I will not fault anyone for that.
I'm not an attorney but I do know this much that if you define criminal activity as "peaceful protest"
Your absolved from prosecution. :yesnod:
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on August 27, 2020, 03:23:38 PM
Quote from: greycharger on August 27, 2020, 10:25:19 AM
To travel across country for a party, or traveling across town to drink in bar is putting fellow Americans in danger. It is rude in the least, and at worst, the case can be made for a charge of Depraved Indifference, a crime that is actionable in civil court. i.e. one can be sued for infecting others. That is a big reason why the Republicans are holding up all legislation; they demand immunity for those who endanger their neighbors not out of necessity, but for fun and profit.
It's one thing if we get exposed through bad luck, it's a totally different thing if we get exposed because of indifference.
Depraved Indifference Law and Legal Definition:
To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant's conduct must be 'so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant's conduct, not the injuries actually resulting.
Kern Dog, you have slipped back into former bad habits. Insulting fellow members is not cool and you certainly wouldn't like it if someone responded in kind.
Morals are mainly based on opinion. If i chose to go to a bar to have a drink, how does that affect you in a sense that YOU can sue me for it. Unless you also CHOOSE to go to the bar to have a drink with me. And at that point, your moral lawsuit has just become invalid because you made the choice to go out. If you are scared to death, then by all means stay home. I will not fault anyone for that.
It's basic law, not morals. The bar owner who won't follow CDC guidelines lets you infect the barmaid who can't miss any work because she will get fired. Just her bad luck, a lifetime of dialysis from kidney damage because you can't, or won't, deny your vices for a short time. Your happiness is more important than her life. She also has to live with the fact that before she knew that she was contagious, she infected some of us because we shop at the same grocery store. We did the adult thing and denied ourselves going out for fun, but you got us anyway.
I'm not scared of shit, but nice try. I don't like any of this, but I stay away from groups because I listen to actual geniuses making their best guesses, not people selling snake oil so they can keep their hand in my pocket. I wear a mask for me as much as others because it is the smart and decent thing to do. What are the Greatest Generation doing? They aren't denying themselves going out because they are afraid of dying, they do it because it is the right thing to do. They are grownups and patriotic.
I listen to doctors that treat actual patients, not doctors that spend their time in front of the media, spouting what their superiors have told them to say.
Updating, my "flatmate" is already at home. It seems everything came out fine. I made the test today and should get the result in 24 hours, but with the weekend in the middle mostly sure I'll get it on monday.
and about the rest of post... this is the point:
Quote from: greycharger on August 27, 2020, 10:25:19 AM
It's one thing if we get exposed through bad luck, it's a totally different thing if we get exposed because of indifference.
I think some ppl here could still think earth is flat, and the man never arrived to the moon, but whatever, I won't enter on this discussion anymore. The intention about this thread was just to post my own experience and warn you this is a real situation it could happen to you no matter the social media says or not. Sure living on a big city the risk is x1000 more than living in the country, but we have to be concious about this.
As I told, is not about being obsesed with this but care about you is the same than care about the ppl. Is a symbiotic relationship. You can't be isolated from the society because everyone of us is part of it. So the personal responsability is part of the social responsability and backwards. IF you don't understand each of us have a social responsability with ppl around you, you are simply selfish.
But untill you get sick or affected for whatever action coming out from ppl around you, it will never accepted and understood we are not just individuals. I could ( for example) get contagiused my grand uncle in Málaga which is a risky patiente even I live in Valencia 650 km away, while the place my flatmate could got Covid is 30 km away from home due her job. Call it BUTTERFLY EFFECT
Is not about Covid, but about EVERYTHING. Covid is just one more reason.
Will be updating about the result on monday I guess. After all these days and my flatmate leaving the hospital I'm confident my test will come out negative.
Good to hear the outcome. Glad to hear yours are part of the vast majority who will not have problems with it.
I still wear a mask because we are asked to at work so we limit spread to others.
If you want, you can cue the lumberjack song....'I cut down trees, I wear high heels, Suspendies and a bra, I wish I'd been a girlie, just like my dear Papa...'
Quote from: greycharger on August 27, 2020, 09:41:28 PM
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on August 27, 2020, 03:23:38 PM
Quote from: greycharger on August 27, 2020, 10:25:19 AM
To travel across country for a party, or traveling across town to drink in bar is putting fellow Americans in danger. It is rude in the least, and at worst, the case can be made for a charge of Depraved Indifference, a crime that is actionable in civil court. i.e. one can be sued for infecting others. That is a big reason why the Republicans are holding up all legislation; they demand immunity for those who endanger their neighbors not out of necessity, but for fun and profit.
It's one thing if we get exposed through bad luck, it's a totally different thing if we get exposed because of indifference.
Depraved Indifference Law and Legal Definition:
To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant's conduct must be 'so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant's conduct, not the injuries actually resulting.
Kern Dog, you have slipped back into former bad habits. Insulting fellow members is not cool and you certainly wouldn't like it if someone responded in kind.
Morals are mainly based on opinion. If i chose to go to a bar to have a drink, how does that affect you in a sense that YOU can sue me for it. Unless you also CHOOSE to go to the bar to have a drink with me. And at that point, your moral lawsuit has just become invalid because you made the choice to go out. If you are scared to death, then by all means stay home. I will not fault anyone for that.
It's basic law, not morals. The bar owner who won't follow CDC guidelines lets you infect the barmaid who can't miss any work because she will get fired. Just her bad luck, a lifetime of dialysis from kidney damage because you can't, or won't, deny your vices for a short time. Your happiness is more important than her life. She also has to live with the fact that before she knew that she was contagious, she infected some of us because we shop at the same grocery store. We did the adult thing and denied ourselves going out for fun, but you got us anyway.
I'm not scared of shit, but nice try. I don't like any of this, but I stay away from groups because I listen to actual geniuses making their best guesses, not people selling snake oil so they can keep their hand in my pocket. I wear a mask for me as much as others because it is the smart and decent thing to do. What are the Greatest Generation doing? They aren't denying themselves going out because they are afraid of dying, they do it because it is the right thing to do. They are grownups and patriotic.
So then by this logic, natcho should sue his flat mate because she went to work and got infected and then infected him. If she just would have quit her job and stayed home on government welfare, this entire situation wouldnt have happened.
I never have sue my flat mate, because I know she was being the most carefull as posible, but his job is a risky one. This infection ( if it was really ) enters into the "bad luck" range WITHOUT THINK if the ppl she attends was being really responsable. The problem is those who get infected them self and his ppl around by irresponsability.
She was getting a goverment finantial help throught her job during the lockdown. Never needed to quite her job
Of course I was agreed on get extended a bit more the lockdown to try to isolate it even better, althought it was being hard for the economy. My own personal problem is now this won't be posible anymore and now my job are won't be reactivated anytime soon. So I would have sacrified it a bit more the economy two months ago, to get a better and faster recovery. But whatever, that won't be posible anymore and with the new waves this will be REEAAAAALLY slow, and will kill my funds
by the way, my flat mate's sons also tested negative. They got their results today. So everything will be fine, but IT COULD HAVE BEEN NOT the case.
Doctors requiered us to keep in quarantine at home for 10-15 days anyway.
anyway... COME OOOON... wear a mask IS NOT A GIANT SACRIFICE... certainly uncomfortable, but not a life sacrifice
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on August 28, 2020, 09:09:40 AM
I never have sue my flat mate, because I know she was being the most carefull as posible, but his job is a risky one. This infection ( if it was really ) enters into the "bad luck" range WITHOUT THINK if the ppl she attends was being really responsable. The problem is those who get infected them self and his ppl around by irresponsability.
She was getting a goverment finantial help throught her job during the lockdown. Never needed to quite her job
Of course I was agreed on get extended a bit more the lockdown to try to isolate it even better, althought it was being hard for the economy. My own personal problem is now this won't be posible anymore and now my job are won't be reactivated anytime soon. So I would have sacrified it a bit more the economy two months ago, to get a better and faster recovery. But whatever, that won't be posible anymore and with the new waves this will be REEAAAAALLY slow, and will kill my funds
by the way, my flat mate's sons also tested negative. They got their results today. So everything will be fine, but IT COULD HAVE BEEN NOT the case.
Doctors requiered us to keep in quarantine at home for 10-15 days anyway.
anyway... COME OOOON... wear a mask IS NOT A GIANT SACRIFICE... certainly uncomfortable, but not a life sacrifice
Natcho, i wasnt implying that you were. I was speaking specifically about greychargers logic about sueing someone over it.
sure I know :cheers:... but wanted to be detailed on the info I'm providing. And since I quoted his line about the diff between bad luck and responsability which I'm agreed, wanted to be clear about it
My test... NEGATIVE.
Good for you, Sir. :2thumbs:
Sometimes you are better off failing a test. :cheers:
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WOW :o :o :o
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/shock-report-week-cdc-quietly-updated-covid-19-numbers-9210-americans-died-covid-19-alone-rest-serious-illnesses/
Yeah...well that is about the most unreliable and politically biased and far right leaning source you could have quoted and I suggest you take anything they say with a pinch of salt. They stop short of saying COVID does not exist...just....but they have said it was deliberatly used against the US people by democrats to oust Trump...so put must be true...lol. Forgetting all the other countries that have it that don't have an imminent election! They are often quoted as the gospel over in FBBO political section....usually about the first internet search you do proves it to be BS. We all know that most that died from it were probably not going to see the next year or two....they had other illnesses or weaknesses....I don't think that will make the 155,000 plus that have died there or their families feel any better.....they still went before their time due to this virus.
Some are REALLY slow to face the facts.
When a person is three breaths from death due to ongoing health problems, an infection from a paper cut can do them in.
When someone eats everything for years, smokes like a Ford and doesn't exercise...then contracts Influenza, they can be dead quickly. Same goes with any respiratory ailment. To then solely claim that they died from Covid is like saying that the thumbtack blew out the tire when it was bald as Vin Diesel and had cords showing.
These numbers were clearly inflated WHEN you look at the facts. How is it that every other cause of death has dropped like a rock? Suddenly there have been no deaths from diabetes or lung disease, none from natural causes either. If you have any integrity, you'd see that the numbers have been heavily stacked. This has been an ongoing joke that many have suspected from early on.
Quote from: alfaitalia on August 30, 2020, 06:01:19 PM
....but they have said it was deliberatly used against the US people by democrats to oust Trump...so put must be true...lol. Forgetting all the other countries that have it that don't have an imminent election!
America rules the world, dude. What happens here will affect you. When other countries want to move up, they'd need America weaker, not stronger. The Globalists are willing to let the world burn to get what they want. Their homes are safe, their people are safe. They are looking at the long game.
Quote from: Kern Dog on August 30, 2020, 06:45:48 PM
Quote from: alfaitalia on August 30, 2020, 06:01:19 PM
....but they have said it was deliberatly used against the US people by democrats to oust Trump...so put must be true...lol. Forgetting all the other countries that have it that don't have an imminent election!
America rules the world, dude. What happens here will affect you. When other countries want to move up, they'd need America weaker, not stronger. The Globalists are willing to let the world burn to get what they want. Their homes are safe, their people are safe. They are looking at the long game.
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Maybe we might look at the available cdc information to check https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm) HMM..... :think: :think: It looks like the article cited doesn't match that government information. :scratchchin: :scratchchin: Last I looked, there was one group in charge and it wasn't the folks you guys seem to think it is. It was your guys :smilielol: :smilielol:
It ok to admit that your wrong :pity:
Man up or Person up non binary up or whatever the non offensive term that one should be identified with.
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Intended to confuse the issue. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
You crack me up sometimes.
CDC has been keeping and posting this data for the government. They are the government. They are Trump. but sometimes they find inconvenient truths. :smilielol:
The HIV virus doesn't kill anyone. It only helps other things kill you.
I still fear the HIV virus. I still REALLY don't want to get it.
When somebody has HIV and eventually dies from some other infection . . . We still blame HIV for the death. We don't blame it on pneumonia or whatever specifically did the deed.
When somebody dies after HIV leads to an infection, but they also were older & overweight & smoked, which contributed . . . we still blame HIV.
When somebody has HIV, but they have no symptoms and don't seem to be suffering from it . . . we still call that having HIV. We still count them in the same data sets. We still expect them to take all the precautions to avoid spreading it.
Let's keep our common sense about this. Covid doesn't have the huge fatality rate of HIV but both viruses do their killing indirectly. I see no reason to discount every Covid death that has other factors, nor discount every Covid infection that doesn't cause sickness (yet?).
I see the inflated numbers and instantly think of the deception and what THEY have to gain by controlling people.
A lot of our differences can be traced back to one topic.
Government and whether you trust them or not.
I do not. There are far too many instances of corruption, inefficiency and over-reach.
Those that do trust government are probably more likely to follow the guidelines, believe what they are told and be afraid.
That is not who I am. I see my side as the ones that rush into the fire to save the ones that run away from it.
QuoteI see the inflated numbers and instantly think of the deception and what THEY have to gain by controlling people.
A lot of our differences can be traced back to one topic.
Government and whether you trust them or not.
I do not. There are far too many instances of corruption, inefficiency and over-reach.
Those that do trust government are probably more likely to follow the guidelines, believe what they are told and be afraid.
That is not who I am. I see my side as the ones that rush into the fire to save the ones that run away from it.
Think bigger.
Who is in charge of 'THEY'?
The corporate state is. They have so much power over Washington it's pathetic. The buck really stops there.
Are the politicians exaggerating Covid data and keeping the economy stalled longer/worse than necessary? Is that plausible?
How did that conversation go between the politicians and the fossil fuel reps? "Gentlemen, we realize nobody is driving cars so the lockdown is costing you billions of dollars. But we have to ask you to keep losing more money next quarter. We want to embarrass Trump and we are testing how long people will obey stupid orders."
It doesn't work like this. The politicians don't have this kind of clout over the corporate state. Washington would be feeling pressure to downplay the Covid problem if anything.
You are thinking short term. My point is that the Globalists are thinking about the long term. This virus gave them the opportunity to implement a series of changes that would never been accepted organically without being tied to a scare event.
Quote,The politicians don't have this much clout over the corporate state
Bingo Mike that's what people need to realize The President is not a politician the corporate state hate
that and can't control him as he goes after Big tech,Amazon,Big pharma,China and others and as for fossil fuels the Bushes like
the guy that's been in bed with some of those examples since 1972 but just now has ideas to make my life better :lol:
Quote from: MoparMike68 on August 30, 2020, 04:38:34 PM
WOW :o :o :o
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/shock-report-week-cdc-quietly-updated-covid-19-numbers-9210-americans-died-covid-19-alone-rest-serious-illnesses/
You know this is bogus, right?
Vlad at work.
Like rust, Russians never sleep.
"The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods and spreading hoaxes. The Gateway Pundit expanded from a one-person enterprise into a multi-employee operation that is supported primarily by advertising revenue."
Quote from: John_Kunkel on September 02, 2020, 01:28:16 PM
"The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods and spreading hoaxes. The Gateway Pundit expanded from a one-person enterprise into a multi-employee operation that is supported primarily by advertising revenue."
Smirnoff Vodka a sponsor??
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They got their interests...
And they got material on our people.
Just the facts.
When you got material you can call the shots.
Whose side are you on?
Quote from: XH29N0G on September 02, 2020, 05:23:49 PM
They got their interests...
And they got material on our people.
Just the facts.
When you got material you can call the shots.
Whose side are you on?
:smilielol:
The side that stands for the National Anthem
I hope so. Then stick against the side that's ain't us.
Russia has its own interests and is good at promoting them. No need to defend them. They can do it well enough themselves.
Their GDP isn't unlike like Italy's but their influence and power has deep hooks. They control. Quintessentially deep.
I would worry less about Russia and more about the influence of our own news networks
social media and China
China is also a concern and powerful. But Russia should not be dismissed.
As a kid I heard about how China would overtake us and I'm watching that happen now.
We need to stick together. But we are divided. And you know how that goes....
I'll ask you to stop defending Russia if you are for us. I don't care if you dump on China, but they have an economy and unfortunately the potential to NEED to be followed when they surpass us. :Twocents:
this is turning into a two way conversation so I'll try to be disciplined and wait for a while. I said the part I wanted to.
Quote, I'll ask you to stop defending Russia if your for us
Who's defending Russia? The Russian Collusion conspiracy theories continue, Fact: There were none.
What do you mean us ? Sounds like a divisive thing to say right after the sticking together part.
Quote from: John_Kunkel on September 02, 2020, 01:28:16 PMThe Gateway Pundit expanded from a one-person enterprise into a multi-employee operation that is supported primarily by advertising revenue."
How is that a bad thing?
Where does YOUR income come from?
Yet you continue to defend them. :scratchchin:
They are good at what they do and have deep ties and Quintessential information on our guys, information that gets results.
putty
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Quote from: MoparMike68 on September 02, 2020, 06:47:31 PM
Quote, I'll ask you to stop defending Russia if your for us
Who's defending Russia? The Russian Collusion conspiracy theories continue, Fact: There were none.
What do you mean us ? Sounds like a divisive thing to say right after the sticking together part.
If there was no Russian collusion, than why are so many Trump and Putin operatives in prison or on the run? Why is so much redacted and a big secret? We can handle the truth, let's have it. Putin knows the redacted parts, so why is it kept from America?
Trump was proved guilty and was impeached by the House. Russian collusion proven! A trial in the Senate without a single witness? Collusion and un-American accessories after the fact, proven!
Mueller found collusion, but he said a sitting President couldn't defend himself if charged, so he didn't charge.
That is much different than nothing found.
Still 6% :icon_smile_big:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/last-weekend-posted-report-covid-19-numbers-went-completely-viral-now-democrats-media-fact-checkers-smearing-us-response/
Quote from: greycharger on September 02, 2020, 08:57:56 PM
Trump was proved guilty and was impeached by the House. Russian collusion proven! A trial in the Senate without a single witness? Collusion and un-American accessories after the fact, proven!
Mueller found collusion, but he said a sitting President couldn't defend himself if charged, so he didn't charge.
That is much different than nothing found.
Writing this does not make it true.
There was no "guilty" verdict. None, despite what you saw on the alphabet networks. Since he wasn't charged due to insufficient evidence, there can be no verdict.
Do you ever read what you write before submitting?
By your logic, a man can be full without eating a bite of food.
Write using facts, not emotion and you will have a much better chance at convincing people.
By the way, This discussion about a 40 million dollar witch hunt has absolutely nothing to do with the original point.
Yeah, I have steered the narrative off course before but let this be an example that I am by no means the only one guilty of it.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on August 31, 2020, 04:05:09 AM
Who is in charge of 'THEY'?
The corporate state is. They have so much power over Washington it's pathetic. The buck really stops there.
Are the politicians exaggerating Covid data and keeping the economy stalled longer/worse than necessary? Is that plausible?
How did that conversation go between the politicians and the fossil fuel reps? "Gentlemen, we realize nobody is driving cars so the lockdown is costing you billions of dollars. But we have to ask you to keep losing more money next quarter. We want to embarrass Trump and we are testing how long people will obey stupid orders."
In my opinion, "T H E Y" are the Globalists, not the
Corporate state as you wrote.
I'm talking about the richest of the rich. The people that are at the tip top. They can afford to ride out a storm and survive. They are so far removed from sales and coupons that they don't see, know or care about the little people. If a city burns, it isn't
their mansion going up in flames.
They fund and encourage disruption, infighting and riots. They want a distracted and divided nation. As disgusting and horrible as it sounds, this benefits them. They want people to get so sick of the destruction that we will do anything to stop it, even if it means looking entirely to the Government to solve it. Boom, here comes total Government control. Socialism, oppression mediocrity. The Globalists want to not only retain power, they want to squash anyone else that puts their interests at risk. Why else would we see numerous liberal District attorneys go soft on violent crime but then go harsh on people that want to run their business without interference? Why would they want convicts to vote, open borders and medicare for all? They want chaos. It is a standard routine...Create a problem then swoop in pretending that you have the cure for it. These people sell the disease and the cure. That doesn't bother you?
Globalists hate an
America First mentality. They don't want us to make stuff here, it doesn't enrich them. Products made in China/India/VietNam allow for a much greater profit margin.
Globalists can afford the best of everything. You think any of them were actually worried about contracting Covid 19? Can you say that it doesn't seem curious that this disease played out in an election year where the incumbent is pissing all over their master plan?
As I have stated before, it is quite likely that the Wife and I had this thing in February. I have not been tested since my heath care provider quit administering the tests due to an excessive amount of incorrect results. My point is that I likely
have been affected by this along with one member of the Wife's family. Everyone came though just fine because we are all healthy.
It is sad that many have died. The numbers we were told were not accurate though. The Gateway Pundit may be biased but that does not mean that they are wrong.
To those that spout the mantra that
If it saves one life, it was all worth it, Think about how angry you were after 9-11-2001. The Department of HomeLand Security was formed and the Patriot Act was passed. Many people spoke out that it was government over-reach. Pro-GOP people sometimes said the same thing,
if it saves one life, it is worth it and people argued passionately against the notion then.
QuoteIn my opinion, "T H E Y" are the Globalists, not the Corporate state as you wrote.
I'm talking about the richest of the rich. The people that are at the tip top. They can afford to ride out a storm and survive. They are so far removed from sales and coupons that they don't see, know or care about the little people. If a city burns, it isn't their mansion going up in flames.
They fund and encourage disruption, infighting and riots. They want a distracted and divided nation. As disgusting and horrible as it sounds, this benefits them. They want people to get so sick of the destruction that we will do anything to stop it, even if it means looking entirely to the Government to solve it.
Boom, here comes total Government control. Socialism, oppression mediocrity. The Globalists want to not only retain power, they want to squash anyone else that puts their interests at risk. Why else would we see numerous liberal District attorneys go soft on violent crime but then go harsh on people that want to run their business without interference? Why would they want convicts to vote, open borders and medicare for all? They want chaos. It is a standard routine...Create a problem then swoop in pretending that you have the cure for it. These people sell the disease and the cure. That doesn't bother you?
IMO when a zillion people make a zillion little decisions/actions, it can add up to feel like a conscious intentional plan. It's human nature operating on a large scale. That's normally how the world works. Govt overreach happens because that's the direction that govts normally grow on their own. It doesn't take a sinister plan to cause this, it takes a good plan to avoid it.
US violent crime is low these days, that's just raw facts. The last few decades have been the least-violent era in American history. US incarceration rates are idiotic because of the drug war.
Convicts
should be voting (once they are released). It's not an outrage that they might get the right to vote, it's an outrage that they didn't have it. Do they still have to obey laws? Do they still have to pay taxes? They are citizens. They did their time in the penalty box and now they're back in the game. We (supposedly) want them to rejoin society and contribute. FFS, the justice system is basically rigged to give out felonies to poor people these days like candy. It's a backdoor way of making them second-class citizens for life. It's taxation without representation. It's not in keeping with American principles.
As for the borders, that's a bunch of sold-out politicians acting like what they are. Zillions of little decisions add up to a whole.
As for politicians and small businesses, that's more of the same. They only tax & regulate the shit out of businesses too small to buy politicians. Same reason why poor people get busted for drugs more than rich people despite similar rates of drug use. Same reason why the IRS busts poorer tax cheats more than richer ones.
The only people who want Medicare-4-all are the public. (I think support has climbed above 50% even among red voters now, never mind blue voters.) Neither party wants it. The Dems pretend to want it like the GOP pretends to want the borders under control.
QuoteGlobalists hate an America First mentality. They don't want us to make stuff here, it doesn't enrich them. Products made in China/India/VietNam allow for a much greater profit margin.
Globalists can afford the best of everything. You think any of them were actually worried about contracting Covid 19? Can you say that it doesn't seem curious that this disease played out in an election year where the incumbent is pissing all over their master plan?
That's just a standard thing for free market capitalism. Outsource stuff to cheaper labor & less regulated areas and reap more profits. US cities got the jobs 100+ years ago because they were being outsourced from Europe. Small town America got the jobs 75 years ago because they were being outsourced from the US inner cities.
Today China & India have the jobs. But they aren't even growing like they were a few decades ago, and their middle classes have boomed. Today the corporate state is starting to look for greener (cheaper) pastures in Africa and the middle east. That process continues.
QuoteAs I have stated before, it is quite likely that the Wife and I had this thing in February. I have not been tested since my heath care provider quit administering the tests due to an excessive amount of incorrect results. My point is that I likely have been affected by this along with one member of the Wife's family. Everyone came though just fine because we are all healthy. It is sad that many have died. The numbers we were told were not accurate though. The Gateway Pundit may be biased but that does not mean that they are wrong.
Let's hope this virus doesn't leave long-term damage. It's another one of those issues where there are wildly differing reactions from one person to the next. Some reports have found heart damage even among people who recovered from it pretty easily. We really don't know.
QuoteTo those that spout the mantra that If it saves one life, it was all worth it, Think about how angry you were after 9-11-2001. The Department of HomeLand Security was formed and the Patriot Act was passed. Many people spoke out that it was government over-reach. Pro-GOP people sometimes said the same thing, if it saves one life, it is worth it and people argued passionately against the notion then.
No argument there.
My neighbors had it. They all made it out okay. :cheers:
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Where on earth do you get this stuff. It is loony toons crazy. And why is this in the thread on COVID. Are you trying to make things political???? It certainly seems that way.
I'm not gonna mess with that issue.
Partly because my own opinions don't fit nicely enough into either side.
Quote from: XH29N0G on September 05, 2020, 08:38:22 PM
Where on earth do you get this stuff. It is loony toons crazy. And why is this in the thread on COVID. Are you trying to make things political???? It certainly seems that way.
No Discussion of politics, Just current events of the state of the nation as a result of COVID, a simple google search will yield many sources. Time magazine, yahoo, USA Today to name a few.
I disagree. The wording in the image you posted is highly charged politically. Why did you say it had no politics involved. It had the president and has phrases and words and is written by a Breitbart political correspondent.
I think you are just trolling and also hoping to spread misinformation. Please do not do this on this site. We do well discussing cars and sticking to that. (Even the picture you posted on the other site about Charger pictures has reference to highly charged issues and then an 'innocent' me label. It is all the same stuff. Meant to make people react rather than posting pictures or sticking to the issues with a member's experience with COVID.
I disagree with your False accusations none of which are true but it seems like your the one trolling me lately
and are more then willing to jump right in with political debate to defend what you believe in and what you disagree with
you try your hardest to shut it down assuming and putting words in my mouth rather then state your case like everyone else does.
I don't spread misinformation, I don't just make things up almost all threads go off topic then pick back up. Members state their opinions regularly so there's no need to target me like I'm any different. We can agree to disagree that's what makes America great! :2thumbs:
You are correct that I have jumped right in. I would call it a direct response. Some might say, it is telling it like it is.
The Russians are good enough to hack a hair dresser, but we would only know if they wanted us to know. I know that is a stupid one, but it includes an unflattering picture of smart politician and is designed to generate a visceral reaction. It is political and was intended to deflect.
My last post was to ask you to please not do this on this site. I am not Troy and an admin here, but I have been a member for a while. I think we have something good with the cars and we can keep it good by not working to drive it off topic in ways that elicit reactions and especially those that are political in nature or could be charged. Others do their best to police themselves. I am asking the same from you. I will do my best, too. :2thumbs: