We are in the process of documenting the various overflow bottles as used on the 71 to 74 B-Bodies for the purpose of reproducing them. We currently have a bottle that we sell that is actually designed for the 73 to 74 E-Bodies. People have used it in the past on their 71 to 74 B-Bodies, even though it would work for the purpose of an overflow bottle, it is not correct. We have had numerous request for these bottles, but have had very little luck locating them. This year on Sunday at Carlisle, I was able to purchase a NOS Overflow Bottle for the 71 to 72 B-Bodies. Then at the Mopar Nats, a gentleman inquired about an overflow bottle for his 73 Charger. He has a very nice used one. This gentleman was gracious enough to loan us this bottle for the purpose of reproducing the bottles. I have also been able to locate the 73 and up A-Body overflow bottle. So the question is: Are there any other radiator overflow bottles that were original to the 71 to 74 B-Bodies that came factory equipped or over the parts counter. The 71 to 72 B-Body unit was also used on the C-Body applications, just a different bracket. The 73 bottle does not even look like the 71 to 72 style, but the brackets look like something that is factory and this is a one owner car. Any insight would be appreciated. I have looked at numerous 71 to 74 B-Body cars for this purpose and have talked to several collectors who deal predominately with these years and they all tell me that the bottles are very difficult to find. Also any information that would pertain to the 70 to 72 E-Body overflow bottles would also be appreciated.
Thanks,
Richard O'Shields
Restoration Parts and Materials
r.l.oshields@att.net
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what was on 1st gen b body any pic mine is beer can
Richard - awesome that you are taking this on. If the overflow bottles are anything like the washer bottles, the plastic become very brittle over time. Hard to locate good originals. Looks like you are doing your homework here on the forum. If you make a good quality reproduction, then you should have no problem selling many down the road. Thanks, Scott.
Quote from: brad mcintyre on August 23, 2016, 06:44:27 AM
what was on 1st gen b body any pic mine is beer can
as far as I know , first generations never got a over flow bottle :scratchchin:
Quote from: tan top on August 23, 2016, 11:54:56 AM
Quote from: brad mcintyre on August 23, 2016, 06:44:27 AM
what was on 1st gen b body any pic mine is beer can
as far as I know , first generations never got a over flow bottle :scratchchin:
Of all the '72 Chargers I've had...
I don't think any of them had an overflow bottle. :shruggy:
From the initial research, the overflow bottles are not that common on the 71 to 72 B-Bodies. Then in 73, we are seeing them much more in use from the factory. That is the reason that we already have the 73 E-Body application and will be doing the 73 A-Body application. Since people that drive these cars are looking for the correct overflow bottles, that is the logic in making them. Granted they will not sell like a windshield washer bottle for the 68 to 70 B-Bodies, but we continue to get request and that is the logic in doing these. The other incentive is that the 71 to 72 B-Body overflow bottle was also much more common on the 71 to 73 C-Bodies and this will help in recouping the initial investment. One other question is, was there ever a factory issued overflow bottle for the 70 to 72 E-Body applications. In all of the years that we have offered the 73 style E-Body overflow bottle, nobody has ever asked or mentioned having one on there car. Again, I believe that it goes back to the changes that took place going into the 73 model production runs that we are seeing changes in body mounts, bumpers, engine configurations, etc. Again, all information is appreciated.
Quote from: Daytona R/T SE on August 23, 2016, 12:10:34 PM
Of all the '72 Chargers I've had...
I don't think any of them had an overflow bottle. :shruggy:
My '71 doesn't have one either.
Here's a link when I asked the question for a 72. http://wichargerguy.proboards.com/thread/6602/1972-charger-radiator-overflow-bottle (http://wichargerguy.proboards.com/thread/6602/1972-charger-radiator-overflow-bottle)
Thanks for the link to the 71 to 74 site. I have talked to Jimmy Boros on the bottles and awaiting some more information. The E-Bay link to the overflow bottle is actually the 73 to 74 E-Body application that people have sold as a replacement but the the bottles are different. The 71 to 72 bottle has a two piece bracket, but is long and slender. The 73 bottle is small and square and I am still trying to confirm what the 74 bottle looked like. From the research, there is not any rhyme to reason on which cars came equipped with the bottle.
Also on the 73-74 B overflow bottles, wasn't there a difference between the large radiator overflow bottle vs the small radiator overflow bottle?
Welcome 69bfan and good luck.
So is there now a large and small overflow bottle for the 73 to 74 B-Bodies? I know that the 73 to 76 A-Body overflow bottles have all been the long slender style.
I've been looking for one of these for 6 months since I purchased a 1973 Dodge Charger SE 400 BB 2bbl. If you guys are going to reproduce these I'm a very happy camper .
Here's a link to one.
http://www.hiltopautoparts.com/product/nos-mopar-coolant-recovery-tank-1972-4-plymouth-dodge-b-body/
That is a completely different than the 73 bottle that I have and is different than the NOS 71 to 72 bottle that we currently have as well. Obviously, there is even more information to verify. I will have to check, but I do not recall any noticeable part numbers, logos or other distinguishing marks on the four bottles the we currently have. Thanks for the link, as we will now be possibly having to purchase this bottle as well to complete the coverage.
All my 74s and one of my 73s have the bottle on the right (I forgot to check one of them). One of my 73s had the bottle on the left, but its part number is not for a Charger.
(http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af318/Chargerguy74/bottles_zpst3ecmpsb.jpg) (http://s1019.photobucket.com/user/Chargerguy74/media/bottles_zpst3ecmpsb.jpg.html)
Part number for one out of a 74 (bottle on the right). Not the same pn as in the 74 catalog (3673834) but I imagine they have a different casting number.
(http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af318/Chargerguy74/Bottle2_zps0fifljpa.jpg) (http://s1019.photobucket.com/user/Chargerguy74/media/Bottle2_zps0fifljpa.jpg.html)
Chargerguy, the unit on the left in your picture is the 73 and up unit as I found on the A-Body applications. Could you post a picture of the attaching bracket for your 73 bottle? I did hear back from Jimmy Boros and he believes that there is only the one style as found on the 71 to 72 cars and we have an NOS sample with brackets to work from for this application. It appears that by 74, the overflow bottle was becoming more of a standard issue thing, but not exactly sure if it was found on all of these cars. Untouched cars are becoming so hard to find and unless someone is able to document the history back to day one, things have a history of getting changed and the story behind the change also changes with time. Thus the reason to determine as much as possible prior to jumping into this venture. The molds for these bottles are fairly large especially considering say a early A or B-Body washer jar and therefore the increase in cost from a tooling perspective and the final cost to the consumer.
I did manage to snap one yesterday.
(http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af318/Chargerguy74/73Bottle_zpsjnzfamo7.jpg) (http://s1019.photobucket.com/user/Chargerguy74/media/73Bottle_zpsjnzfamo7.jpg.html)
Quote from: brad mcintyre on August 23, 2016, 06:44:27 AM
what was on 1st gen b body any pic mine is beer can
Correct. First gen's did not have one. However I got tired of it spitting up so I searched and came up with this. It fits perfectly on my 383.
It is Mitsubishi and the part number is MR188696.
Sorry for the hijack there ... here are the part numbers for the coolant recovery tanks from the collision manual. They are not always the same as the embossed number on the tanks as the tank # is the just that, the number of the tank. If you place a bracket on it, not it becomes as Chrysler called it and "assembly" and that had a different number.
anyway:
1971 - 3412849
1972 - 3574151
1973-4 - (V8) 3673834.
So clearly there are different tanks as you have stated Richard.
Mine is a 73 and I'd have to remove it to take more pics ... but it is as pictured previously on right.
I'll tell you what would be a helpful repop is the windshield washer reservoir for 73-4 WITH cruise control. I can post pics if interested but I had a hell of a time finding one of those!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got two cruise control windshield reservoirs. One used and the other NOS that I found really cheap... But I don't like the NOS one. It seems badly made. It seems got some problem on the casting process and plastic looks like a spider web "cracks".
The potential problem with reproducing the Bbody 72 style is that not only does the bottle have a bracket riveted to it but then there are two more brackets needed to attach it which are super hard to find. I have the upper bracket but can't find an original lower bracket. Jimmy Boros had the brackets cast in aluminum which are nice but I have been trying to hold out for original. My two cents. Good luck.
Jimmy has been a wealth of information for the 71 to 72 model cars. We have sourced the brackets and Jimmy has already sourced the decals for the top bracket. Granted the bottom bracket is a bit complex, but we have two shops that can readily make them up. We have like wise been able to locate the brackets for the C-Body application as it makes sense to do this unit as the same tank is used on the C-Bodies and are found on more of the C-Bodies. The brackets are different is a bummer though. I would be interested in seeing a picture of the washer bottle for the cars with cruise control. Is this washer bottle only used on the 73 to the 74 B-Bodies or do you happen to know if it branched over to the C-Bodies as well. All of this information is valuable and we are continuing to see more and more request for the third generation parts. Both Carlisle and The Nats had very strong sales for the few parts that are available for these cars. So please keep the information coming as we proceed with this project.
Quote from: 69bfan on August 27, 2016, 08:31:41 PM
I would be interested in seeing a picture of the washer bottle for the cars with cruise control. Is this washer bottle only used on the 73 to the 74 B-Bodies or do you happen to know if it branched over to the C-Bodies as well. All of this information is valuable and we are continuing to see more and more request for the third generation parts. Both Carlisle and The Nats had very strong sales for the few parts that are available for these cars. So please keep the information coming as we proceed with this project.
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Will post later one of the ones I have still at home I think... The other one it's at the body shop, thousand of miles of home
here the pics of the NOS I found, oviouslly with motor removed ( you can see the rivet and wire for it cut ). Actually I expected to get it better, but pics lied... was overexposed with flash and on the auction I won it looked "whitie"
Quote from: 69bfan on August 23, 2016, 08:45:52 PM
From the initial research, the overflow bottles are not that common on the 71 to 72 B-Bodies. Then in 73, we are seeing them much more in use from the factory.
that's becuse becomes standard since 73, previously was optional or part of an specific equippment, but never standard on any car assemblied
Quote from: brad mcintyre on August 23, 2016, 06:44:27 AM
what was on 1st gen b body any pic mine is beer can
My 67 has one too. I does say Folgers on it. Maybe its not original.......
Thanks for the pictures of the washer bottle for the 73 to 74 B-Bodies with cruise control. That bottle is certainly doable, the question is the demand for the bottle. I do know that off the top of my head, that I do not recall anyone ever asking about this bottle where we have had request for the overflow bottles. The current 73 to 74 B-Body washer jar is available for the non cruise control cars and they do not move that well. I imagine that cruise control was still relative rare in the production numbers for these cars and that only a car equipped in this manner used that bottle. The molds to produce these bottles are quite large and expensive so unless we can determine that it has other applications, I do not foresee that being a viable candidate for reproduction. Any supporting information to warrant the process will certainly be listened to.
well if want to reproduce it, I can send back this one to the States to make it. I have a nice used one also to use for a while.
About demand of 73/74 parts... like you said, 3 gens fascination is growing up latelly, but ppl with these is not willing to pay what ppl pays for 68/71 B or E bodies parts. That's why the market for these pieces is so static. Remember once restored, they are not worthly like 68/71 ones, so that's why ppl with 73/74s keeps money on pockets. Thast why Tail light lenses began on $400 rate and now you can find them in $300 rate. 72s are in the middle of the line.
I was ready to reproduce CORRECT Phasered stripes ( red/yellow and any other ) Rallye stripes locally, being Phoenix Graphics are not really correct ( incorrect colors shade and printed, instead silkscreen ), but I don't have the money to make them... yet. And we were around 3 or 4 guys interested here, but local economy made the other 3 guys stepped back on this. I can't alone. So I know about costs.
About prices... these stripes began on $400 rate, now they are in $300 rate. Out of the reallity.
Note appart... would be great be able to buy just one side lense, for example... maybe that would help!!!! I.E., front parking lenses! is not fair buy both sides needing just one!
Quote from: rtsb on August 26, 2016, 04:21:30 PM
I've been looking for one of these for 6 months since I purchased a 1973 Dodge Charger SE 400 BB 2bbl. If you guys are going to reproduce these I'm a very happy camper .
Here's a link to one.
http://www.hiltopautoparts.com/product/nos-mopar-coolant-recovery-tank-1972-4-plymouth-dodge-b-body/
this is 73/74 B body, standard to all engines
I have sent you a PM, Nacho-RT74. Thank you.
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on August 29, 2016, 08:25:42 AM
well if want to reproduce it, I can send back this one to the States to make it. I have a nice used one also to use for a while.
About demand of 73/74 parts... like you said, 3 gens fascination is growing up latelly, but ppl with these is not willing to pay what ppl pays for 68/71 B or E bodies parts. That's why the market for these pieces is so static. Remember once restored, they are not worthly like 68/71 ones, so that's why ppl with 73/74s keeps money on pockets. Thast why Tail light lenses began on $400 rate and now you can find them in $300 rate. 72s are in the middle of the line.
I was ready to reproduce CORRECT Phasered stripes ( red/yellow and any other ) Rallye stripes locally, being Phoenix Graphics are not really correct ( incorrect colors shade and printed, instead silkscreen ), but I don't have the money to make them... yet. And we were around 3 or 4 guys interested here, but local economy made the other 3 guys stepped back on this. I can't alone. So I know about costs.
About prices... these stripes began on $400 rate, now they are in $300 rate. Out of the reallity.
Note appart... would be great be able to buy just one side lense, for example... maybe that would help!!!! I.E., front parking lenses! is not fair buy both sides needing just one!
I agree. Our Mopar show in June each year now has shown the largest class being 71-74 Dodge. It used to be 68-69-70.
And if you look at the numbers, 73 was the largest production of Chargers ever. So there are a lot of them out in fields and barns somewhere.
ON the subject of reproduction parts, there isn't ONE 73 or 74 owner who would not purchase a new set of grilles and headlamp surrounds IF they were reasonably priced. So is there a market out there, I think so. The issue has always been the supplier wants to get all their money back and then some on the first run. Let's face it, with all the items needed to make a car run safely, grilles and washer bottles are not one of them so they get pushed to the bottom of the list. Reasonably priced is the key.
Prices has being so unreasonably when they are released, that manufacturers on parts mentioned have reduced prices when they don't get to sell them, I bet still enough to get in bussines with the new prices. So you can guess how much unreasonably were initially.
Why I can restore 2 Phord or Chebbies with the same money I invest on my Charger being the tooling for parts allmost identical?
Same discussion since ever.
Quote from: 69bfan on August 29, 2016, 09:36:14 PM
I have sent you a PM, Nacho-RT74. Thank you.
Got it
I know the post is over a year old. Just checking on this to see if any of these were reproduced?
The cavity molds for the prototypes have submitted and approved for production. Currently the plan is to do the 73 to 74 overflow bottle, a C-Body piece and a truck application. We are hoping to have at least a sample to display at the Indy Cylinder Head show in March of 2018. The company that is doing the piece for us told us that they expect to deliver the product to us by mid April of 2018. Hopefully sooner than later.
As a teaser for the owners of the 73 and newer Chargers, I just got the rubber plugs in to start a badly needed product for these cars. Should hopefully have the finished product available by Christmas.
OOOOOH YES!!!!
what about the metal insert/bushing/spacer... or whatever it calls ?
these isolators are being made locally since looong time ago, but bad quality... they crack as soon get tightened. I had to use just the top section new being made locally ( still needing some mods ) and keep the old bottom original one
Here are the metal pieces!!
OOOOH YES... I think I'll be in ( I hope I can afford them )
would you agreed a group buy ?
I can possibly work something out, but I would have to maintain a price that is comparable to what our retailers will be selling them at. As a manufacture, I do not want to go out and undercut the vendors who continue to purchase from us. I know that their is a limited market for these pieces as many people will not want to go back and replace the poly mounts they have already installed. But hopefully, once people see these pieces installed and see how much better that they function and look, we will get some additional buyers.
I will have a bit more flexibility with the overflow bottles as we will have a larger group of vendors wanting to purchase this item. With more vendors purchasing the bottles hopefully, you will see a larger spread in the pricing that they themselves will be willing to operate on. We will still not undersell our vendors, but we will offer a very comparable pricing. Hope that all understands this scenario.
cool...