Finally, a few pictures of "before" the cloning process begins...
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I LOVE THAT CAR!!! GREAT COLOR COMBO!! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA:
we are going w/black top. hope to get rid of the grandma look. i will be selling all of the front end when the car starts to get cloned, to help pay for the clone kit.
making it into a bird?? way to nice..
thanks, been along time coming. say one when i was 8 years old always wanted one since then.janak is doing the kit for me. having a local guy install everything. he has a bird light blue. bought it new. was told by chyrsler that he is one of two that are original owners. have not been able to find the front parking lights wbezels, any suggestions?
The front parking lights assemblys used for the superbird are from a 70 Fury.The lenses are clear.Other parts are on various sites.I think Eric Nelson had the turn signal frames in metal .The metal turn signal mounting brackets were at dayclona or www.wingcarfab.com Erik Nelson
(612) 382-4723
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erik.nelson@xerox.com
erikjohnnelson@hotmail.com
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Very nice looking car to start with.
Your buddy who is the original owner of a Bird is also a very lucky individual. There is another original owner of a bird that post on here. Talkiemopar (Rick)
yea that car is sweet. there's a lot of 70 satellites out there that would make a great bird clone ..be a shame to take apart an original roadrunner . :Twocents:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 01, 2009, 10:02:39 PM
yea that car is sweet. there's a lot of 70 satellites out there that would make a great bird clone ..be a shame to take apart an original roadrunner . :Twocents:
I agree use a satelite , dont use that awesome runner :Twocents: :Twocents: that runnner is way to nice to clone .
Is the car above a RR or a Satelite that has already been cloned into a RR, that will be cloned into a Superbird?
the car is an original rr 383 4speed airgrabber w/date coded 440 6 pack in it now. bought it that way. sole purpose was to clone that one into a superbird.
just a thought.....the pistol grip that on the car i made. it's real black walnut. took me 4 hours to do. the grip is much better than the plastic one that came on the car. i have some more block peices if anybody else is interested in doing the same. all you need is a gig saw, a dremel tool, and sand paper. oh yea, poly to seal it. let me know. give me a call 828-777-7214 i'll send it to you. no charge. thanks for the interest in the car. steve
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 01, 2009, 10:02:39 PM
yea that car is sweet. there's a lot of 70 satellites out there that would make a great bird clone ..be a shame to take apart an original roadrunner . :Twocents:
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Quote from: sound5262 on January 02, 2009, 10:12:05 AM
the car is an original rr 383 4speed airgrabber w/date coded 440 6 pack in it now. bought it that way. sole purpose was to clone that one into a superbird.
sell the road runner for good money, buy a satellite and keep the change.
:Twocents: The only advantages by starting with a road runner is engine trans.4 speed rear leaf springs H-D susp disc brakes power steering radiator/opening .The larger rallye instrument cluster and entire rallye dash frame and wiring harness.And if you already have a optional bucket seat/ or console car.If you stay with the bench/recover it. .Also the tail lights and tail light harness are different than satelitte.And a satellite will need all the exterior mouldings and hardware removed
What about interior trim levels?
:shruggy: good ? Also the glove box differs I recall and the plastic piece under the steering column is different.And piece over the glove box and the interior mouldings .I was lucky to have a 70 RR rolling body right beside .To the 70 FM3 satelitte conv.That became the superbird convertible .
It'll be a shame to see a real Road Runner in good condition altered that way but it's just my opinion and not my car. Good luck with your project.
I know its a nice car as it is.Just looking at the pros and cons RR VS Satelitte.The RR is a big head start..
Quote from: nascarxx29 on January 02, 2009, 01:17:12 PM
I know its a nice car as it is.Just looking at the pros and cons RR VS Satelitte.The RR is a big head start..
Yes it is a good start, and it can be difficult to make a decision on what to do.
I have a rust free excellent 70 GTX which is currently sitting in primer, ready to be painted. All number matching B7 440 auto car with power windows.
The dilemma;
I want a 70 Superbird more than a GTX. Unfortunately most of the decent Satellites I have found have been in the 4-6K range and would still need additional body repairs, + the above mentioned conversion items (dash, column shift, etc.). I am not a bodyman and that portion of the project would have to be farmed out. I have gotten to the point that I would have nearly the same money in prepping a Satellite for my bird conversion, as I already have in my GTX, which is ready to go.
I would really hate to "cut up" a GTX (or RR), but in the long run it would definitely save me time and would not be much different in costs.
In the back of my head I keep hearing voices preventing me from using the GTX, thinking how cool it would be to have a GTX and bird. But in reality, I know I will only get one done. (time and money issue)
I would not cut up that car way way way to nice...keep looking..there is a 70 satellite out there :scratchchin:
yea there should be some body grubbing (you know what) on this site with a extra body just waiting to come on down and be a Superbird! You know the one you will never build, don't work on and can't remember the last time you Sat in it! theres my Rant for the Cause. Good luck with your hunt for a body. Have a great new year All.
Was wondering what decision you finally came to .If you save all the road runner parts are store and not sell ,Then your only putting wing holes on this road runner
still waiting on parts. ha ha ha like that has never happened before. got the fenders in already, hood came in w/the back corners broke off (having a new one made) is going to work out for the best though, i decided to go w/coronet r/t scoops on the hood. so that is being molded as we speak. going w/a black top, black wing, and black fender scoops or black hood scoops, havn't decided yet. the 6 pack is doing quite well along w/msd system that was put on. the whole front end is for sale. it is in very good shape i think. did ya'll notice that daytona for sale on ebay....750k he is out of his mind. broke the throttle cable friday while driving down the road, atleast it happened in front of a parts store. and NO they did not have it (can you believe that) it sure floored the hell out of me i'll tell ya. it is coming today hopefully. this thing does like 110 octane. i use to have 116 that i ran in my 72 rr but it was really built and could take it. as soon as the hood gets in (2 weeks i was told today) i'll shoot somemore pics. enjoy your day and thanks for the inquiry, steve
There are A LOT of Satellites out there.......... :rotz:
Nice Road Runner, & I might be one of the only ones who'd consider the same idea of making a Superbird from it. :cheers:
It's hard to say what you'd get for the entire '70 nose, but I'd stash it for myself & not worry about how much it'll offset the cost of the Superbird project. When you see it advertised it isn't cheap, but I tried selling a mint '70 nose a few years back with a base, bulge hood & nobody wanted it. I was asking about $2000 for everything, including fenders, grilles, supports, hood with turn signal insert, bumper, etc. I also had a perfect air grabber hood with EVERYTHING except a decent rubber seal, & again, nobody wanted it. It had a NOS air cleaner, all hoses, OEM hood pins, all the vacuum parts, etc. I was asking $1500 for the A/G.
Now that I have a '70 Road Runner, I am keeping the spare nose & hoods in case some nimrod who can't drive hits me. For what the Superbird conversion will cost you, the original nose might be worth saving compared to what you'll get for the parts. :Twocents:
I got a supply of clean 70 coronets hood and fenders
Everyone keeps saying that there are a lot of 70 Satellites out there. I don't see them. I tried to buy a real nice one on e-bay last year and it went to 9k and it only had a 318 and of course the standard dash. If you already have the car, I don't think that it's all that bad of an idea to use a roadruuner to build a superbird. So much quicker and easier in my opinion.
If anyone's interested, I'll sell my 70 Satellite, with coronet fenders and hood, a nice steel wing and a fiberglass nose for 6k...come and get it.
Quote from: hotrod98 on January 27, 2009, 05:35:41 PM
Everyone keeps saying that there are a lot of 70 Satellites out there. I don't see them. I tried to buy a real nice one on e-bay last year and it went to 9k and it only had a 318 and of course the standard dash. If you already have the car, I don't think that it's all that bad of an idea to use a roadruuner to build a superbird. So much quicker and easier in my opinion.
If anyone's interested, I'll sell my 70 Satellite, with coronet fenders and hood, a nice steel wing and a fiberglass nose for 6g...come and get it.
sound like a great start and a good deal for someone starting a project . :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on January 27, 2009, 03:14:44 PM
I got a supply of clean 70 coronets hood and fenders
Send me a passenger side fender :lol:
QuoteIf anyone's interested, I'll sell my 70 Satellite, with coronet fenders and hood, a nice steel wing and a fiberglass nose for 6g...come and get it.
if you give me 6g i'd like to buy it from you :D
Theres a 1 owner triple green satellite I know of guy wants $ 7000.00.Then you have to get rid or sell off all that unwanted green etc etc parts
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 27, 2009, 07:55:28 PM
QuoteIf anyone's interested, I'll sell my 70 Satellite, with coronet fenders and hood, a nice steel wing and a fiberglass nose for 6g...come and get it.
if you give me 6g i'd like to buy it from you :D
Whoops...I changed it to 6k. ;D I must be getting old.
BTW, what is the correct way to say it in Jersey. What would "Tony" say? 6 large?
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Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 27, 2009, 07:55:28 PM
QuoteIf anyone's interested, I'll sell my 70 Satellite, with coronet fenders and hood, a nice steel wing and a fiberglass nose for 6g...come and get it.
if you give me 6g i'd like to buy it from you :D
Whoops...I changed it to 6k. ;D I must be getting old.
BTW, what is the correct way to say it in Jersey. What would "Tony" say? 6 large?
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:I always wondered what rene did , he's part of tony crew isnt he . Why you been digging in the medowlands :shruggy:
Quote6 large?
:smilielol: but true . :lol: he'd be mumbleling cause he's got a sausage and pepper sandwich in his mouth
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still waiting on parts. hopefully this week or the next. did talk to ted thats always good.
I hope you have better luck than I did. FedEx damaged my rear plug, nose, window, hood ext.,and some other things but Ted covered it all and stayed in touch with me and let me know what was going on while he got new parts ready :cheers:. FedEx treated the packages pretty rough and left them on my porch squashed and with holes punched in them :eek2: . One package was being delivered about the time the hurricane blew through his area and got misplaced/held up for awhile. Make sure when you take delivery that you check it out right away if it even looks like it's been wrinkled up any. Make the delivery guy note it. Post a pic of the hood when it comes in.
David
UPS and Fed-Exe both are rough on packages.
Now that business is slow, maybe they will figure out that the better company will survive...or get bailed out by the government. :eyes:
talked to ted again, he has got all the parts finished except the back window plug trim. he said that he should be done with that in a week. looking forward to seeing them here.
I am ammazed that you would clone something that nice...it's like taking a 69 charger 500 and making it a daytona...its a clone...and at the expense of a nice 500...but like everyone here says its your car...but wow what a nice car... :drool5:
Not to bad of a car .I lived in TX -80-s and know Ted from buying and selling wingcars .He had a similar road runner I think
I'm using Ted's fiberglass nose, valance and headlamp doors on my tona clone. I had his wing and was planning to use it until I bought the new hollow aluminum one from Dane. That fiberglass wing was very impressive.
He makes some pretty nice fiberglass parts.
i need some help in sending some more pics.
lets try again.
Nice looking parts. I will be interested to see how well it fits and what kind of trimming will need to be done. Keep us updated!
Justin
"CornDog"
Did you get the hood in yet? The window trim looks good in the pic. I didn't get that from him with my kit but if you have a close up of it I'd like to see how it was done.
i haven't got the hood yet. maybe in 2 weeks? that's what they tell me. here are somemore pics. ?---has anybody else got their parts from ted this way (not trimmed out). ?---can some of you please send me some pics (close up) of the turn signal mounting as well as the look. it sure looks like to me that i'm missing something to fill in the gap. some pics of the front of the car would be wonderfull. thanks, steve
here are some more
The signal bracket you have looks OK. The turn signal lamp you have is not the correct one. Photo shown here is the one you need to look for. 1970 or 1971 Sport Fury. Only diff is that 1971 has the incorrect amber lens.
thanks for the info on the lens. do you have a outlet for getting them.
BE and A has reproduction lenses. www.beaparts.com (http://www.beaparts.com). $245 pair. Item # 154-SB If you order these, and someone here has some used lamp housings, you are in business.
I have a NOS left hand lamp and lens in the part section.
does it look like the mounts i have will work?
Quote from: sound5262 on March 06, 2009, 09:12:07 AM
i haven't got the hood yet. maybe in 2 weeks? that's what they tell me. here are somemore pics. ?---has anybody else got their parts from ted this way (not trimmed out). ?---can some of you please send me some pics (close up) of the turn signal mounting as well as the look. it sure looks like to me that i'm missing something to fill in the gap. some pics of the front of the car would be wonderfull. thanks, steve
All my parts came in like that. Some I'm going to remake in metal where I can. Heres a close up of the front turn view but it doesn't look as nice as the full front view I have. Maybe something isn't quite right on it.
Here's a couple more from the inside of some other members pics.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,54382.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,43102.0/prev_next,next.html#new
oldcarnut, thanks for the pics and responce you gave. i have ordered the correct lens from be/a and will waite untill they arrive to see if i can make the housings i have work. hey stuart can you send some pics of your front nose to see how it looks? also billssuperbird, would you do the same for me? anybody else for that matter would be gratefully appreciated. thanks steve
Here's the back side showing how the lamp mounts to the signal bracket.
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=54319.0;attach=95088;image)
thanks doug.
Lot's of fiberglass...sorry to see a good roadrunner going that way...should have found a satellite...that car was to nice...would have looked for coronet fenders ...my 2 cents :Twocents: :yesnod:
The only bad thing about starting with a Satellite... seems like every one I see has that body side moulding. Which means you will need to weld up every single hole. What a pain! If you could find a Sport Satellite they usually do not have the body moulding. Either way... it's his car and he already has his mind made up. And from the sound of it, he has already gotten started on it.
Justin
"CornDog"
thats what is nice @ two cents. oh well.
finally, the hood
Hey Sound,
can i ask you where you got the 'glass fenders and hood? They look like copies of my clone fenders...easy way to tell is the signal housing defect...I don't really care...just curious.
Ps ...glad to see a Roadrunner go to a good cause...I would have opted for a RR too had I not stumbled upon P.Kolencs Satellite last month and all those body side molding holes to fill..haha.
showcars in canada
Hey Sound
was wondering how this project turned out? I am starting up a clone project and wanted to use glass hood and fenders. Am curious as to how your pieces worked for ya.....
finished up back in june. pleased with the outcome. had dave marcus' shop do the work, they are local. don't use anything from showcars, way too much work to redo what they sent. they do shotty work. can't seem too upload pics anymore. will send to email. thanks, steve
Quote from: sound5262 on December 28, 2011, 11:42:56 AM
finished up back in june. pleased with the outcome. had dave marcus' shop do the work, they are local. don't use anything from showcars, way too much work to redo what they sent. they do shotty work. can't seem too upload pics anymore. will send to email. thanks, steve
email them to me also www.stuartspeedway@hotmail.com
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Quote from: sound5262 on December 28, 2011, 11:42:56 AM
finished up back in june. pleased with the outcome. had dave marcus' shop do the work, they are local. don't use anything from showcars, way too much work to redo what they sent. they do shotty work. can't seem too upload pics anymore. will send to email. thanks, steve
email them to me also www.stuartspeedway@hotmail.com
and me too oldcarnut@comcast.net ;D one of us can then post them for you.
Quote from: Iowa_gator on December 27, 2011, 02:27:22 PM
Hey Sound
was wondering how this project turned out? I am starting up a clone project and wanted to use glass hood and fenders. Am curious as to how your pieces worked for ya.....
welcome gator , How are u
I hope it's not out of line to stick my nose in here - While I'm not really a prolific poster, I do have to point out the following:
- As to starting with a real Road Runner...it's YOUR car to do with as you see fit. I would, however, agree with those who suggest you keep the original parts just in case. I'm starting with a Satellite, and STILL got the "you can't cut up an original!" comments. And, yes, my Satellite DOES have all the holes down the side for the lame chrome trim strip. What a pain that is going to be to remove the trim, fill, sand, prep and repaint all those holes.
- I see that you are going with fibreglass fenders. Is there a clear consensus on whether they're okay or not? I keep hearing that you can get away with a fibreglass HOOD, but not fenders unless you're just racing. I've been told that they crack easily, are brittle, rock chips will spiderweb the paint, people will lean against the car and break them....and on and on and on. I ask, because fibreglass fenders really seem to be the best idea to me, as I have spent quite a while now trying to find original 70 Coronet fenders, to no avail. Any local ones are garbage, and nice ones are too far away, or the owners won't ship them.
- Finally, how does the "Showcars" stuff seem quality-wise? Again, I've heard good and bad back and forth. They sure answer emails quickly, and seem helpful.
Thanks for starting this thread - it's another conversion thread I will be following closely.
stay far away from showcars!!!!!!! ted janak is the way to go. the last time i talked to him, he told me he had a good set of fenders and would sell them or fiberglass a set for me. been pleased with the fiber so far.
Hear are pics of the hood I got. Also had a fiberglass trunk deck installed.
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(http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo264/bptracing/bird%20progress/70rr-trunk.jpg)
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:P I cant tell for sure but, was the dash frame painted with body paint? seems awful shiney. if so the driver is going to REALLY regret that move.
Go ahead....ask me how I know! :brickwall: I used a semi gloss on my R/T and when the sun hits the dash the reflection bounces right off the dash into the windshield and right into my eyes.
as far as the updates.....NICE! :2thumbs:
Wow. Simply outSTANDING. :drool5:
thanks, haven't had any issues with sun light gleaming. yes, dash is body color. another mod that you can't see from the pics is the mounts for the fender scoops are covered with a peice of fiberglass sheet. did not want to see those post while driving.
now see Stu? THAT'S a great color on a wing car! :nana:
Quote from: pettybird on December 29, 2011, 08:32:04 AM
now see Stu? THAT'S a great color on a wing car! :nana:
yup, but it needs black fender scoops :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
and the rear window molding looks better black then i ever thought it would . definaltly the way to go if you use the janek rear window molding . :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
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now see Stu? THAT'S a great color on a wing car! :nana:
yup, but it needs black fender scoops :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
and the rear window molding looks better black then i ever thought it would . definaltly the way to go if you use the janek rear window molding . :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
especially with the black wing!
I'm also impressed with how the black trim seems to just disappear...
Hey Stuart, doing good good up here in iowa, hows you and the family?
Did you make it to the meet last year? I had to skip due to job issues at the beginning of the year so I had no vacation time at all for 2011.
Quote from: Iowa_gator on December 29, 2011, 12:45:59 PM
Hey Stuart, doing good good up here in iowa, hows you and the family?
Did you make it to the meet last year? I had to skip due to job issues at the beginning of the year so I had no vacation time at all for 2011.
family is great , no i had a small heart problem just before the meet , so i didnt make it out there . My buddy brian a moderator here is doing work on stans clone . I hear the sheet metal work is just about done .
good looking clone
as for using a roadrunner as the base i dont see that it hurts, as what has been done could very easily be reversed if one wanted to turn it back into a runner
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like the Grinch, :D