Hello all.
I am usually on the FBBO forum and I'm looking for a wing car. On that forum, they suggested I post a WTB ad here so here we go. I don't think i can afford a Daytona so I am focusing on a Superbird (although I'd certainly consider a Daytona). I'd like a #3 car that I can drive. I'm looking for a #'s matching car but if something like an alternator has been replaced, I'm not too concerned. If the belts and hoses are not correct, I'm OK with that. What I do not want is a clone or a non numbers matching car. I think that a 440-4 automatic would fit my budget best but I'm open to any engine/trans combo. Color is not that important to me but it seems that every car I see is Tor-red. Of course LImelight Green would be my first choice....
Should anyone happen to know of, hear of, or even think of a car available for sale, PLEASE contact me at; Pinballjim@verizon.net I have the username xlr8 on FBBO and I can be contacted there too.
Thanks for listening!!
Jim - Pinballjim
Jim - What's your budget?
Jay Soneff at Soneff's Master Garage in Denver, Colorado has a Superbird in some shade of orange (it was in a poorly lit storage area).
I'm pretty sure it's a 440 and probably a torqueflite.
As I recall I was told it's a survivor. So it's in rough shape but when I saw it a month ago it was in one piece.
I'm not sure what his plans are for the car, be it full restoration, just make drive-able, or sell as is.
I heard them say that one like it recently sold for $250,000 at auction.
Jay was good to work with, although I failed to ultimately find the right 1968 Charger for me there.
Quote from: WestWeires on October 12, 2021, 08:51:06 PM
Jay Soneff at Soneff's Master Garage in Denver, Colorado has a Superbird in some shade of orange (it was in a poorly lit storage area).
I'm pretty sure it's a 440 and probably a torqueflite.
As I recall I was told it's a survivor. So it's in rough shape but when I saw it a month ago it was in one piece.
I'm not sure what his plans are for the car, be it full restoration, just make drive-able, or sell as is.
I heard them say that one like it recently sold for $250,000 at auction.
Jay was good to work with, although I failed to ultimately find the right 1968 Charger for me there.
It is listed on their web site for $250 000
https://www.soneffs.com/product-page/1970-plymouth-superbird
Quote from: RSI700VIPER on October 12, 2021, 07:30:45 PM
Jim - What's your budget?
Sorry, I didn't discuss budget on purpose. I'm not comfortable talking actual figures in a public forum. Of course the numbers will change depending on condition. I have no intention of paying 200k for a driver condition car (or for any other car for that matter). I've been around old cars for over 40 years. I've met some really good people during that time. I've met some real snakes as well so I'm sure you understand my apprehension to disclose actual figures. I'll say this, I've saved a good sized pile of cash. At some point, I can't JUSTIFY driving a car worth X amount down the road (no matter how much insurance is involved). I already have cars that I'm afraid to drive. I love them but can't JUSTIFY driving them down the road. A nice paint job on a fenderless hot rod is foolish. I'm a fool. Most of my other cars are drivers. They're not perfect and as a result, I can drive them and enjoy them without guilt. Will I drive a wing car everyday? Of course not. Will I drive it to cruise nights and an occasional Sunday drive? Well, that's the plan....
Thanks to everyone who read this post and especially to anyone who can offer advice, help or tips!!!
I feel the same way as you
There is a point where too much $$ is too much to make it fun t drive
I too always dreamed of owning and driving a true wing car
Now at the point in my life I could buy one if I really wanted to
Think I am going to continue on building a clone
Will get so much more enjoyment out of it because it will get driven every day
Sit at the local burger joint eating lunch with my drink cup sitting on the front fender ......
Everyone that will see it will assume it is real ;)
Can also have 2 or 3 neat cars than just one really really neat car too
Good luck with your search
Quote from: 70 sublime on October 13, 2021, 05:34:20 AM
I feel the same way as you
There is a point where too much $$ is too much to make it fun t drive
I too always dreamed of owning and driving a true wing car
Now at the point in my life I could buy one if I really wanted to
Think I am going to continue on building a clone
Will get so much more enjoyment out of it because it will get driven every day
Sit at the local burger joint eating lunch with my drink cup sitting on the front fender ......
Everyone that will see it will assume it is real ;)
Can also have 2 or 3 neat cars than just one really really neat car too
Good luck with your search
Certainly nothing wrong with a tribute car as long as it's not misrepresented when it's sold. I've looked at a LOT of cars for a lot of people. It's sad to see how many 442s and Z28s that were regular Camaros and Cutlass' but being sold at top dollar because of a few dishonest people. Dishonesty REALLY pisses me off and I'll go out of my way to embarrass someone who's trying to pull a fast one. That's what I meant by meeting some snakes. They're out there in every hobby weather it's cars or sports cards or pinball machines.
The nice thing about a tribute car is (as you pointed out) it can be used as a regular car. There's freedom in that. In the hot rod world, some guys bad mouth a fiberglass 32 Ford because it's not real. In my mind, a real 32 that isn't used because it might get damaged is far worse than a glass car that is seen and enjoyed by many.
To each their own but that's how I feel. Thanks for the support! I WILL get a car. It may kill me, but I'll get one!!!
Here's a nice blue/blue driver quality Daytona for 347.5 large....
https://www.cars-on-line.com/gen3-cars/col1/posting/102373
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on October 13, 2021, 08:12:08 AM
Here's a nice blue/blue driver quality Daytona for 347.5 large....
https://www.cars-on-line.com/gen3-cars/col1/posting/102373
Nice car but I'm not driving a 350k car on today's streets when an $800 Saturn being driven the other way by some kid can take it out while texting his friends.
Just curious, what range would a driver quality, matching number Superbird be valued at? I know condition makes a huge difference.
Hello & welcome ( PBJ ) :cheers: :2thumbs:
have you seen this one , not the original engine or trans though https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1970/plymouth/superbird/101605343
or this ?
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/plymouth/superbird/2519792.html
A buddy of mine sold a #3 Daytona in July for 170 K. I bet it will be hard to find one much under that. :icon_smile_big: 9 Wingman) Jay.
Welcome Jim.
You picked a bad time to buy a Wingcar methinks?
This could be the 'end of an era' or maybe the start of the 'mega prices' for Wingcars?
Most of us have 'given up the Wingcar dream', as we know its not gonna happen... :scratchchin:
Back when they was $5000 drivers and then $5000 basket cases is well and truly over lol... :slap:
Anyways, hope you find what you are looking for at a price you can afford... :2thumbs:
For the rest of us its 318 Chargers 'AT BEST'... :'( :'( :'(
ps, I still have my Charger 500 as the 'new owner' has gone AWOL? :slap:
Maybe I asked TOO little at $42,000, as I think its $50,000 now... :smilielol:
(Numbers matchin and a free 1968 hemi 426) if he gives me his 70 Sixpack Challenger... :pity:
Quote from: Pinballjim on October 13, 2021, 09:26:26 AM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on October 13, 2021, 08:12:08 AM
Here's a nice blue/blue driver quality Daytona for 347.5 large....
https://www.cars-on-line.com/gen3-cars/col1/posting/102373
Nice car but I'm not driving a 350k car on today's streets when an $800 Saturn being driven the other way by some kid can take it out while texting his friends.
In that case here's something that you don't have to worry so much about.....
(https://www.speednik.com/files/2011/11/redneck-super-bird.jpg)
(https://www.speednik.com/files/2011/11/redneck-super-bird-rear.jpg)
how much did this one sell for :scratchchin:
Quote from: aerolith on October 13, 2021, 01:24:47 PM
Welcome Jim.
You picked a bad time to buy a Wingcar methinks?
This could be the 'end of an era' or maybe the start of the 'mega prices' for Wingcars?
Most of us have 'given up the Wingcar dream', as we know its not gonna happen... :scratchchin:
Back when they was $5000 drivers and then $5000 basket cases is well and truly over lol... :slap:
Anyways, hope you find what you are looking for at a price you can afford... :2thumbs:
For the rest of us its 318 Chargers 'AT BEST'... :'( :'( :'(
ps, I still have my Charger 500 as the 'new owner' has gone AWOL? :slap:
Maybe I asked TOO little at $42,000, as I think its $50,000 now... :smilielol:
(Numbers matchin and a free 1968 hemi 426) if he gives me his 70 Sixpack Challenger... :pity:
I'm chasing two local cars. The owners 'want to sell" until it gets real. Then they have second thoughts. Neither seems overly motivated to make a move. I speak with them regularly and even if they never sell their cars, they're interesting to talk to. The one guy in particular is a walking encylopedia of local knowledge. Every time I speak with him, I learn a new little tidbit of trivia. He tells me he hopes I end up with his car. He says I can buy his car from his wife when he dies. He's convinced he's only going to be around for a few more years. I can't wait forever and I may die before him!! No matter what happens, he's a neat guy!!
Quote from: Pinballjim on October 13, 2021, 09:26:26 AM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on October 13, 2021, 08:12:08 AM
Here's a nice blue/blue driver quality Daytona for 347.5 large....
https://www.cars-on-line.com/gen3-cars/col1/posting/102373
Nice car but I'm not driving a 350k car on today's streets when an $800 Saturn being driven the other way by some kid can take it out while texting his friends.
That's what insurance is for. I drive my Superbird all over the place, insured for $175K and for the $1100/yr insurance costs I won't get real upset if she gets T boned in an intersection, but then again I only paid $18K for mine... :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
My birds not a matching numbers car. I've decided to sell it. Just haven't had the time to list it. It's the bird known as Black Ice. 440, 4 speed, dana, black buckets, non console. Has a six barrel setup and a custom air grabber hood. Was originally yellow. Was painted black in the late 80's or early 90's. Great driving car. Was in west Texas and LA most of its life. Super solid car. I'm asking 105K. Fun car to drive. I'm 65 now and need to finish up a couple of other cars while my health is still good. The fender tag and body numbers all match. I'm the third registered owner. Jim Radke had it for a while in the mid 80's. If you guys know of anyone I can send some detailed pics. I can be reached at hotrodcuda98@hotmail.com. Larry Roper
Sold my bird on 10/15/21. Going to new home.
Quote from: hotrod98 on October 13, 2021, 11:02:00 PM
My birds not a matching numbers car. I've decided to sell it. Just haven't had the time to list it. It's the bird known as Black Ice. 440, 4 speed, dana, black buckets, non console. Has a six barrel setup and a custom air grabber hood. Was originally yellow. Was painted black in the late 80's or early 90's. Great driving car. Was in west Texas and LA most of its life. Super solid car. I'm asking 105K. Fun car to drive. I'm 65 now and need to finish up a couple of other cars while my health is still good. The fender tag and body numbers all match. I'm the third registered owner. Jim Radke had it for a while in the mid 80's. If you guys know of anyone I can send some detailed pics. I can be reached at hotrodcuda98@hotmail.com. Larry Roper
Larry,
Please contact me at Pinballjim@verizon.net. I'd like to see some pictures.
Thanks,
Jim
Quote from: WINGMAN on October 13, 2021, 01:09:45 PM
A buddy of mine sold a #3 Daytona in July for 170 K. I bet it will be hard to find one much under that. :icon_smile_big: 9 Wingman) Jay.
Thanks Wingman.
I don't follow the wingcar pricing. I was thinking a Super Bird driver was 125k-150k.
So what's a driver quality Daytona go for?
Quote from: birdsandbees on October 13, 2021, 08:27:22 PM
Quote from: Pinballjim on October 13, 2021, 09:26:26 AM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on October 13, 2021, 08:12:08 AM
Here's a nice blue/blue driver quality Daytona for 347.5 large....
https://www.cars-on-line.com/gen3-cars/col1/posting/102373
Nice car but I'm not driving a 350k car on today's streets when an $800 Saturn being driven the other way by some kid can take it out while texting his friends.
That's what insurance is for. I drive my Superbird all over the place, insured for $175K and for the $1100/yr insurance costs I won't get real upset if she gets T boned in an intersection, but then again I only paid $18K for mine... :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
I understand. This is not my first rodeo. If I paid 18k for a wing car and had it insured for 175k, I'd drive it too. That will not be the case in my situation. I will likely have much closer to the actual insured value of the car as opposed to 18k. Like previously mentioned, at some point I just can't JUSTIFY the cost. I have other cars that I bought when they were not worth what they are now (much like your bird). I drive them quite often.
Quote from: 70 sublime on October 13, 2021, 05:34:20 AM
I feel the same way as you
There is a point where too much $$ is too much to make it fun t drive
I too always dreamed of owning and driving a true wing car
Now at the point in my life I could buy one if I really wanted to
Think I am going to continue on building a clone
Will get so much more enjoyment out of it because it will get driven every day
Sit at the local burger joint eating lunch with my drink cup sitting on the front fender ......
Everyone that will see it will assume it is real ;)
Can also have 2 or 3 neat cars than just one really really neat car too
Good luck with your search
I concur.
Tribute wing car car is not a bad idea
Quote from: billssuperbird on October 14, 2021, 10:45:27 AM
Tribute wing car car is not a bad idea
Wow. Very nice car. As stated above, there's nothing wrong with a tribute car. For me, it has to be real. If I had a tribute car, I would feel like I'm lying to myself. I completely understand there's real freedom in a clone car. It can be driven and thoroughly abused with zero guilt. That's cool. I'm going to DIE with the car I choose i it's gotta be real. Let's call it a retirement gift to myself. My wife will want to auction off a real car. Just an FYI, she WILL have an auction when I go. Make sure you all get to it. There's gonna be some cool stuff there!!
Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 13, 2021, 04:55:23 PM
how much did this one sell for :scratchchin:
Hi Folks, 14 October 2021
If the Dashboard Vin tag and the Fender tag are all intact and there's a salvageable piece of the car available, probably $100K. The buyer could "rightfully" claim it as a "Major Restoration."
If none of the above, whatever the owner is willing to pay to have it hauled off.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Jim- what city and state are located in?
Quote from: Pinballjim on October 14, 2021, 11:29:54 AM
Wow. Very nice car. As stated above, there's nothing wrong with a tribute car. For me, it has to be real. If I had a tribute car, I would feel like I'm lying to myself. I completely understand there's real freedom in a clone car. It can be driven and thoroughly abused with zero guilt. That's cool. I'm going to DIE with the car I choose i it's gotta be real. Let's call it a retirement gift to myself. My wife will want to auction off a real car. Just an FYI, she WILL have an auction when I go. Make sure you all get to it. There's gonna be some cool stuff there!!
Hi Jim, 14 October 2021
Think we know what you are feeling. We sold our Hemi Daytona last year to a member of this site who is a real collector and someone we trusted to give our Daytona a loving home. Bob Jennings surpassed our expectations; he is the perfect new parent for his Rare Hemi Daytona, for which we are very grateful.
We were the second owners and had it 48 years. Had we kept it we would never have put it back on the highway.
If we decide we want another, it will be a clone. There are too many low IQ distracted drivers on the highways these days to risk having a genuine article totaled by some idiot; just our opinion. Whoever owns one can do what they want, it's their Unalienable right . . . . at least for the moment.
We still have our 68 Hemi RR and 69 440-6 SB, both are extremely low mileage, 4405 and 2681 respectively, which we have owned since they were new. These cars are in Phoenix in Dena's shop. We have stated our plans for our Mopar's in our thread on this site.
We wish you luck in finding exactly what you are looking for in the way of a real Daytona. Do it before you get to be my age.
Best Always
Christine, for the 426 Hemi Chicks
LL442 - I am from SE Pa.
Hemi Chick - Thanks for the words of encouragement. They help keep me motivated when others say I'll fail. Of the Wing cars, I don't think a Daytona is is in the budget. They are simply too valuable. I believe a S-Bird is within reach. It won't be a 6bbl 4 speed which is OK with me. It won't be a low mileage completely original car which is OK with me too (although engine/trans/rear need to be original). I've save a pretty good sized pile of cash (ACTUAL cash, not some silly wire transfer or a bank check). As a result, I believe I will be able to find a 440-4/automatic. This will be the last old car I purchase. Over the past 40+years, I've been able to put some cool cars (across several makes and models) in the garage. Street rods, Hot rods, trucks, classics, muscle cars, bikes, even some 80's and 90's cars!! I've always wanted a wing car. I feel as though if I don't reach for one, I'll regret it forever.
I met Bob Jennings at Carlisle this year. We had a neat conversation about his Youtube Videos. Very interesting guy. I'm jealous (in a good way)!!
I appreciate the interaction on this forum. I look forward to any tips or leads anyone might have. You folks are ALLRIGHT !!
White 440 4-speed Superbird just listed on Moparts B-body cars for sale. $175K. WINGNUT
Quote from: Wingnut426 on October 15, 2021, 10:47:56 AM
White 440 4-speed Superbird just listed on Moparts B-body cars for sale. $175K. WINGNUT
Thanks!!! I'll look into that one. It's a bit more than I can justify (and probably too nice) but I'm going to try!
Thanks!!!!
Quote from: hotrod98 on October 13, 2021, 11:02:00 PM
My birds not a matching numbers car. I've decided to sell it. Just haven't had the time to list it. It's the bird known as Black Ice. 440, 4 speed, dana, black buckets, non console. Has a six barrel setup and a custom air grabber hood. Was originally yellow. Was painted black in the late 80's or early 90's. Great driving car. Was in west Texas and LA most of its life. Super solid car. I'm asking 105K. Fun car to drive. I'm 65 now and need to finish up a couple of other cars while my health is still good. The fender tag and body numbers all match. I'm the third registered owner. Jim Radke had it for a while in the mid 80's. If you guys know of anyone I can send some detailed pics. I can be reached at hotrodcuda98@hotmail.com. Larry Roper
Sold my bird on 10/15/21. Going to new home.
Is this a congrats to Pinballjim ? :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: Repsol17 on October 15, 2021, 08:47:02 PM
Quote from: hotrod98 on October 13, 2021, 11:02:00 PM
My birds not a matching numbers car. I've decided to sell it. Just haven't had the time to list it. It's the bird known as Black Ice. 440, 4 speed, dana, black buckets, non console. Has a six barrel setup and a custom air grabber hood. Was originally yellow. Was painted black in the late 80's or early 90's. Great driving car. Was in west Texas and LA most of its life. Super solid car. I'm asking 105K. Fun car to drive. I'm 65 now and need to finish up a couple of other cars while my health is still good. The fender tag and body numbers all match. I'm the third registered owner. Jim Radke had it for a while in the mid 80's. If you guys know of anyone I can send some detailed pics. I can be reached at hotrodcuda98@hotmail.com. Larry Roper
Sold my bird on 10/15/21. Going to new home.
Is this a congrats to Pinballjim ? :icon_smile_big:
Ha. Not yet. I'll find one!!!!
Quote from: Pinballjim on October 14, 2021, 11:29:54 AM
Wow. Very nice car. As stated above, there's nothing wrong with a tribute car. For me, it has to be real. If I had a tribute car, I would feel like I'm lying to myself. I completely understand there's real freedom in a clone car. It can be driven and thoroughly abused with zero guilt. That's cool. I'm going to DIE with the car I choose i it's gotta be real. Let's call it a retirement gift to myself. My wife will want to auction off a real car. Just an FYI, she WILL have an auction when I go. Make sure you all get to it. There's gonna be some cool stuff there!!
Hi Jim, 17 October 2021
Why not sell all that
cool stuff now rather than burdening your wife with a sale, which may not bring as much as it would if sold now. Estate Sales are like fire sales, not always producing big bucks for the seller. Also, there's the sales commission she won't get.
Sell now while the market is good. Who knows what it will be like next year. Joe's promised tax hikes sure won't help you or her.
Best of luck in whatever you decide to do.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: 426HemiChick on October 17, 2021, 08:13:16 AM
Quote from: Pinballjim on October 14, 2021, 11:29:54 AM
Wow. Very nice car. As stated above, there's nothing wrong with a tribute car. For me, it has to be real. If I had a tribute car, I would feel like I'm lying to myself. I completely understand there's real freedom in a clone car. It can be driven and thoroughly abused with zero guilt. That's cool. I'm going to DIE with the car I choose i it's gotta be real. Let's call it a retirement gift to myself. My wife will want to auction off a real car. Just an FYI, she WILL have an auction when I go. Make sure you all get to it. There's gonna be some cool stuff there!!
Hi Jim, 17 October 2021
Why not sell all that cool stuff now rather than burdening your wife with a sale, which may not bring as much as it would if sold now. Estate Sales are like fire sales, not always producing big bucks for the seller. Also, there's the sales commission she won't get.
Sell now while the market is good. Who knows what it will be like next year. Joe's promised tax hikes sure won't help you or her.
Best of luck in whatever you decide to do.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
In theory, that's a great plan. Here's the problem. I have a hard time letting go. I enjoy my 'stuff'. Once I get my bird, I will sell some cars and the bikes. It's not just the cars. It's coin op machines (juke boxes and pinballs), bumper cars, old signs.... Hell, I recently bought a WHALE BOAT from an amusement park. They call out to me. I'm not a hoarder. I'm a COLLECTOR. What's the difference? It's all in how it's displayed!!
Nice words 'Pinball JIM'.
I feel sorry for my wife too, she says I'm a hoarder and she is definitely right!
Yes I too would like a mini museum, for myself mainly and for the benefit of others (who are genuinely interested).
Its a very different world living in the UK with 'electric looming' for us (eco-unfriendly) Mopar lovers...
Many wives have threatened the 'auction' or worse the 'scrapheap' for our 'manly treasures' on our demise :angelwing: :dance:... :slap:
For you it seems 'the world is your oyster' for some of us its just burnt-out 'past memories'... :popcrn:
Quote from: aerolith on October 17, 2021, 09:29:06 AM
Nice words 'Pinball JIM'.
I feel sorry for my wife too, she says I'm a hoarder and she is definitely right!
Yes I too would like a mini museum, for myself mainly and for the benefit of others (who are genuinely interested).
Its a very different world living in the UK with 'electric looming' for us (eco-unfriendly) Mopar lovers...
Many wives have threatened the 'auction' or worse the 'scrapheap' for our 'manly treasures' on our demise :angelwing: :dance:... :slap:
For you it seems 'the world is your oyster' for some of us its just burnt-out 'past memories'... :popcrn:
The world is SURELY not my oyster. I don't even like seafood!!
I've just always been a car nerd. When my friends were leasing fancy new cars, I was driving a 20 year old pickup truck. They were/are paying $7--/month for a lease and I'm saving for a Bird. I'm at the point where I need to try to get one. As stated above, If I don't try, I'll regret it later. I'm sure car guys understand.
As for the Auction or Scrap heap, it won't matter to me. I'll be dead. My wife is a pretty smart cookie. When I check out, she will know how make this stuff go away..... She might keep some of it but what's she gonna do with bumper cars? It simply won't matter!! I hope she keeps the Superbird and drives it to my funeral!!
Something every car collector should take into consideration is the tax implications on profits from a sale vs little or no tax implication on gains from an estate sale.
I am not a tax expert however I do know that if you sell a collector car and you make money on the sale you are required to pay anywhere between 20% to 28% on any profits.
However if you die and your estate / wife inherits your car and or car collection and decides to sell it at or shortly after your death the tax liability will be little or next to nothing.
Meaning if you sell a car for $100,000 that you have owned for lets say 20 years and you only have $50,000 in total into it (purchase price, any restoration costs, maintenance, insurance, ect..)
You will owe capital gains tax on the $50,000 profit, so you are obligated by law to pay the IRS anywhere between $10,000 to $14,000 in tax.
If you die and your wife / estate sells that same car for $100,000 at the time of your death they are not obligated to pay any capital gain tax as that was the current market value.
This is true as long as your estate is not in the multi millions (I believe approximately $5 million dollars).
Again I am not a tax expert, and I am trying to keep my explanation very basic and simple to understand.
However anyone that has a significant amount of money to gain from the sale of a car or entire collection should look into the tax implications of any sale vs leaving it to your heirs.
Sincerely Vic
Vic - Good to know. Thanks.
Hmmm, Death and Taxes, where have I heard that before...
Real Mopar lovers don't care about the taxation and the cost of fuel, but the Wingcar prices are eyewatering these days!
Is it better to have a few daily driver Mopars, or put all ones eggs into a Wingcar?
I have worked on many Wingcars for friends (and err customers), but never owned one myself.
Always a day late or a dollar short, maybe $100,000 short now!
I had my chances to find and buy one, when they was a 'Novelty' car and to some an 'eyesore'... :poke:
But the time has to be right and the finances in place, when investing in such a BIG spend.
The next problem is finding the right car at the right price... :think:
You can only buy, what is for sale, or go to every meeting of Wingcars and 'put yourself about'.
Some folks will only sell to GENUINE buyers and not the dreaded FLIPPER... :slap:
Be not afraid of Wingcars, some are born with Wingcar, some achieve Wingcar, others have Wingcar, THRUST UPON THEM...
Can't do the first two so any Wingcar thrusters are welcome to thrust upon me... :pigsfly:
Quote from: aerolith on October 19, 2021, 06:08:32 AM
Hmmm, Death and Taxes, where have I heard that before...
Real Mopar lovers don't care about the taxation and the cost of fuel, but the Wingcar prices are eyewatering these days!
Is it better to have a few daily driver Mopars, or put all ones eggs into a Wingcar?
I have worked on many Wingcars for friends (and err customers), but never owned one myself.
Always a day late or a dollar short, maybe $100,000 short now!
I had my chances to find and buy one, when they was a 'Novelty' car and to some an 'eyesore'... :poke:
But the time has to be right and the finances in place, when investing in such a BIG spend.
The next problem is finding the right car at the right price... :think:
You can only buy, what is for sale, or go to every meeting of Wingcars and 'put yourself about'.
Some folks will only sell to GENUINE buyers and not the dreaded FLIPPER... :slap:
Be not afraid of Wingcars, some are born with Wingcar, some achieve Wingcar, others have Wingcar, THRUST UPON THEM...
Can't do the first two so any Wingcar thrusters are welcome to thrust upon me... :pigsfly:
Very well put. That's the whole point of this post. I'm putting it out there. Flippers REALLY annoy me. To them, it's all about the almighty dollar. I believe collectors (REAL collectors) are more focused on the cars, the history and the stories behind them..... At least that's how I see it..... My search will continue until I'm successful.
Quote from: cudavic on October 18, 2021, 10:19:36 AM
Something every car collector should take into consideration is the tax implications on profits from a sale vs little or no tax implication on gains from an estate sale.
I am not a tax expert however I do know that if you sell a collector car and you make money on the sale you are required to pay anywhere between 20% to 28% on any profits.
However if you die and your estate / wife inherits your car and or car collection and decides to sell it at or shortly after your death the tax liability will be little or next to nothing.
Meaning if you sell a car for $100,000 that you have owned for lets say 20 years and you only have $50,000 in total into it (purchase price, any restoration costs, maintenance, insurance, ect..)
You will owe capital gains tax on the $50,000 profit, so you are obligated by law to pay the IRS anywhere between $10,000 to $14,000 in tax.
If you die and your wife / estate sells that same car for $100,000 at the time of your death they are not obligated to pay any capital gain tax as that was the current market value.
This is true as long as your estate is not in the multi millions (I believe approximately $5 million dollars).
Again I am not a tax expert, and I am trying to keep my explanation very basic and simple to understand.
However anyone that has a significant amount of money to gain from the sale of a car or entire collection should look into the tax implications of any sale vs leaving it to your heirs.
Sincerely Vic
Hi Vic, 21 October 2021
Think you are spot on. Problem we see is multi faceted: Today's tax rate; next year's rates; IRS Rules; market volatility.
I'd want to sell now while the tax rates and rules are known quantities. The current regime has mentioned higher rates are coming, and estates are one of their targets.
We are in for a run of uncertainty, the market for our cars could go through the roof, they could remain static or sink, which they have done in the past. We need to face reality, stocks have been going up while the economy is taking a hit.
Also, a lot depends upon what you want or need to do. If'n you're close to my age, 81, how much time have I remaining? Not sure I want to know, just going to plan for 24 more. At some point in time it may be advisable to start selling things off or giving stuff away. Quite frankly, IMO I should have started downsizing 11 Years ago. Can't go back so we'll just play it by ear.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
No one wants to or needs to pay more taxes than they truly owe.
I believe for the average person selling a car, going to knowledgeable sources, such as a CPA, is a wise move. Informing your self first, suggestion read the Legal Files in Sports Car Market Magazine is probably a good move. FWIW I do not believe one can deduct insurance, storage, or maintenance as part of your basis cost. But check with your tax person, I am not a tax expert.
Selling a wing car, and the associated tax liability, is minor in comparison to the issues many people have in selling a long term ownership of a home on either coast. Even if the ownership is a Hemi Daytona.
Someone with a real problem is someone who put $ 750 K in a house, land, or investment and today it is only worth $ 200 K.
Someone setting up for future needs of a special needs child really needs help.
Consider the circumstances of others.
Selling a car one made money on, there are a lot worse problems in life to worry or complain about.
I don't know much about taxation in the USA on Collector cars, but.
Most countries in the World like to tax PROFITS!
If you buy a car at $100,000, drive it for a while and sell it for the same, surely you haven't made any profit?
As far as I know we don't have that system on cars, but everything else seems to get taxed... :shruggy:
Death and taxes, always a worry, but not when you is DEAD! :angelwing: :angelwing: :angelwing:
Money is a problem if you have loads of it, or NONE of it.
Me I'm the latter... :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: aerolith on October 21, 2021, 10:36:42 AM
I don't know much about taxation in the USA on Collector cars, but.
Most countries in the World like to tax PROFITS!
If you buy a car at $100,000, drive it for a while and sell it for the same, surely you haven't made any profit?
As far as I know we don't have that system on cars, but everything else seems to get taxed... :shruggy:
Death and taxes, always a worry, but not when you is DEAD! :angelwing: :angelwing: :angelwing:
Money is a problem if you have loads of it, or NONE of it.
Me I'm the latter... :'( :'( :'(
Hi aerolith, 21 October 2021
What you say is true, unless the seller is a US veteran and in the VA System; anything you sell, regardless of what you paid for it, is considered Income. We had a property here in Texas that turned into a money pit and decided to get rid of it. Sold it for very little profit. The VA considered every penny that the buyer paid was income to us, including the taxes and sales commission, which we never saw.
When I talked to the VA, they said anything a veteran in their system sells, the proceeds are considered income regardless of when you bought or sold it. They don't care what you paid for it, it's the total amount paid by the buyer that is considered INCOME.
Best way to handle this is to accept cash only and not deposit it in a bank. A Piggy-Bank is OK, Ms. Piggy won't Squeal on you. Large amounts of cash, you are on your own. Eat out a lot and pay in Cash.
Best Always
Christine for the 426 Hemi Chicks
Aww, missed out on Hotrod98's Black Ice 'bird within hours. That would have been a fun car to show off with its rockin' history of the 80's.
Quote from: Impkidd on October 25, 2021, 02:08:00 PM
Aww, missed out on Hotrod98's Black Ice 'bird within hours. That would have been a fun car to show off with its rockin' history of the 80's.
did not know it was for sale :eek2:
Quote from: cdr on October 25, 2021, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: Impkidd on October 25, 2021, 02:08:00 PM
Aww, missed out on Hotrod98's Black Ice 'bird within hours. That would have been a fun car to show off with its rockin' history of the 80's.
did not know it was for sale :eek2:
He said it was in his post in this thread
My birds not a matching numbers car. I've decided to sell it. Just haven't had the time to list it. It's the bird known as Black Ice. 440, 4 speed, dana, black buckets, non console. Has a six barrel setup and a custom air grabber hood. Was originally yellow. Was painted black in the late 80's or early 90's. Great driving car. Was in west Texas and LA most of its life. Super solid car. I'm asking 105K. Fun car to drive. I'm 65 now and need to finish up a couple of other cars while my health is still good. The fender tag and body numbers all match. I'm the third registered owner. Jim Radke had it for a while in the mid 80's. If you guys know of anyone I can send some detailed pics. I can be reached at hotrodcuda98@hotmail.com. Larry Roper
Sold my bird on 10/15/21. Going to new home.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 13, 2021, 04:55:23 PM
how much did this one sell for :scratchchin:
Think he paid 11k, plus shipping. Has since bought the rear half of a 69 Charger for a "starting point" for the restoration.
Evening folks!! Just an update on my search. So far, Zilch. Zip. Nada. I have to laugh about it because it shouldn't take this much effort to spend crazy money on a car and yet, here we are. I truly appreciate all the encouragement I've received from several of you on this forum. Please let me know if you hear of anything!! I'm GOING to get one of these cars!!!!!
:cheers:http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,140606.0/topicseen.html
CHIN-UP Pinball.
''Everything comes to those who wait''.
There will be a time when folks 'won't want them' and prices will crash! :woohoo:
Some folks will never sell and only once they have 'passed' the car will be available... :angelwing:
I seem to have a different problem?
Folks are queueing up to buy my C500 and when it comes to 'handing over the cash' they disappear... :dance:
If this carries on, I will have to keep her and 'do a NICK' the last 500 resto 'EVER'...(for me anyways)
Aero -
THANKS for saying in public what I've been saying and thinking privately for quite some time now. My generation (I'm 56) is probably the last that has actual living memory of these cars. So the question has to be asked - Who will be the next guys to buy these cars? The generation behind me (let's say 30 y/o folks) are more interested in European or Japanese cars. The generation behind them are even further removed from these cars (unless there happens to be one in the family). Sure, some younger guys are still interested in them but overall, these cars will become yet another obscure footnote in automotive history. I don't like it any more than any other diehard car guy but the writing is on the wall, all anyone has to do is read it. Look at what is happening to the older 'milestone' cars. 32,36 and 40 Fords are cheaper than they've been in 20 years. 55-57 T-birds are almost cheap (realtively). That wave will continue throughout the years - Chevys, Fords and yes, MoPars too. The new and younger car collectors simply aren't interested in a car their grandfather used to talk about or own. That car (be it a wing car or a Cuda convertible or whatever iconic car you can think of) by today's standards handles like a dump truck. Next gen car guys would rather spend the same money on a Lamborghini with AWD and heated and cooled seats.
All of that said, I am still in. To me, it's not about how much the cars may (or may not) be worth in the future. I want one because of their rich history and the allure of a car that I've always wanted but could never quite reach. I'm finally at the point where I can get one (not a HEMI car mind you but a 'regular' one) and it seems when I hear about one, it's either priced in a manner that is unrealistic or it's been sold. I'm not looking to throw anyone under the bus. I'm not looking to screw anyone out of their car. I just want fairness and honesty. I've said it before, the information and support on this forum (as well as FBBO) is impressive. I thought I knew a good bit about these cars but I've learned so much more!! I WILL get a wing car. I swear!!!
Quote from: Pinballjim on November 27, 2021, 01:43:04 PM
Aero -
THANKS for saying in public what I've been saying and thinking privately for quite some time now. My generation (I'm 56) is probably the last that has actual living memory of these cars. So the question has to be asked - Who will be the next guys to buy these cars? The generation behind me (let's say 30 y/o folks) are more interested in European or Japanese cars. The generation behind them are even further removed from these cars (unless there happens to be one in the family). Sure, some younger guys are still interested in them but overall, these cars will become yet another obscure footnote in automotive history. I don't like it any more than any other diehard car guy but the writing is on the wall, all anyone has to do is read it. Look at what is happening to the older 'milestone' cars. 32,36 and 40 Fords are cheaper than they've been in 20 years. 55-57 T-birds are almost cheap (realtively). That wave will continue throughout the years - Chevys, Fords and yes, MoPars too. The new and younger car collectors simply aren't interested in a car their grandfather used to talk about or own. That car (be it a wing car or a Cuda convertible or whatever iconic car you can think of) by today's standards handles like a dump truck. Next gen car guys would rather spend the same money on a Lamborghini with AWD and heated and cooled seats.
All of that said, I am still in. To me, it's not about how much the cars may (or may not) be worth in the future. I want one because of their rich history and the allure of a car that I've always wanted but could never quite reach. I'm finally at the point where I can get one (not a HEMI car mind you but a 'regular' one) and it seems when I hear about one, it's either priced in a manner that is unrealistic or it's been sold. I'm not looking to throw anyone under the bus. I'm not looking to screw anyone out of their car. I just want fairness and honesty. I've said it before, the information and support on this forum (as well as FBBO) is impressive. I thought I knew a good bit about these cars but I've learned so much more!! I WILL get a wing car. I swear!!!
Some good points. Each generation wants the cool cars they grew up with. I do feel that price moderation is possible on the more common muscle cars.
That said, wing cars have something going for them that is enduring. They are wild looking. They make people of all ages stop and look. And as muscle cars in general, they can be made to be user friendly. In the case of Daytonas, compared to two seat T-Birds, we only have to have 375 buyers in the world who desire to want to own them. That doesn't take a lot of effort to build demand. The Superbirds still have "the look" and crowd stopping ability. So while there may be some price ups and downs, I don't see the huge crater due to generational change. But more likely, a downward trend when the next financial crisis hits. Everything is over priced right now.
I had one of the wing cars in the driveway a couple weeks ago. Two kids and their parents came by and stopped to talk. The one boy had a Hot Wheels bike. I made sure they went home with diecast cars.
Aero426 -
Very nice of you to help two little guys down the path of a lifetime of cars!! It all starts a buck at a time. First Hot Wheels and slot cars, then model kits, Schwinns, Dirt bikes, Go-carts..... before ya know it, the paper route money isn't enough to cover the cost of your automotive addiction. Ya start mowin lawns to earn a few more bucks and you learn pretty quickly if you want the cool stuff, you have to work for it. I'm sure I've just described most guys childhood here.
My wife and I don't have children and we're not much into kids. Still, I go out of my way when a kid shows an interest in one of my cars. They are the future of all this craziness. The smile on their faces in your picture is priceless! I'll bet years from now they'll say "Remember that guy who gave us those Hot Wheels?".
I understand that the wing cars will never fall in value to the level of say a mid-60's mustang coupe. They're very special cars for sure and will be in demand to those who know what they are and what they stood for. Packards, Cords and Desotos were all special cars in their day too. They were wild looking to the masses and to see one today is a special treat. They are now worth a fraction of what they were "back in the day".
Future value of the wing cars doesn't mean much to me, I won't be reselling mine so it's value is irrelevant. I don't have children to leave my cars to so it doesn't really matter. My wife can have an auction and sell it all after I die. I suggest you all attend.....
The first step is to find a suitable candidate!!!
I really feel for you Jim!
You would think someone in Moparland could have come forwards by now with an 'offer or two'?
But the Daytona market is small and even smaller for C500's... :leaving:
Sometimes 'stuff' is there and you don't want and/or need it, so you pass.
But the 'FUN is in the HUNT', the harder you work for it the MORE its worth to you... :patriot:
It will come, you mark my words and in the most odd and unusual way possible.
Some peeps don't even have a 'horse to flog' so if you have one 'to flog' then its a START! :horse:
Some old cars like 57 Chevy convertibles are at all time highs. It's hard to say what's going to happen but there are Trillions of new dollars floating around the economy and that money needs to go somewhere.
Quote from: 69hemidaytona on November 30, 2021, 03:23:45 PM
Some old cars like 57 Chevy convertibles are at all time highs. It's hard to say what's going to happen but there are Trillions of new dollars floating around the economy and that money needs to go somewhere.
Some prices of some cars are up but what are the demographics of the buyers? What's the average age group of of those buyers? That brings up an interesting question. Are there any statistics of the age groups of wing car owners? That might be interesting. I was discussing that privately with another member here. What's the average age of the average wing car owner? Maybe that should be a different thread... Still, I think it would be interesting to know.....
As for Age of Owners, wouldn't matter if the Wing Car Owner has owned the car 20 or 30 years compared to 2 or 3 years. :shruggy:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 30, 2021, 09:24:41 PM
As for Age of Owners, wouldn't matter if the Wing Car Owner has owned the car 20 or 30 years compared to 2 or 3 years. :shruggy:
The reason I'm asking how long the cars have been owned is to get an idea of the age group of the folks buying/owning these cars. What I'm seeing is people approximately my age (I'm 56) and older with these cars and they've had them for many years. No one "young" (let's say early 30's) has responded yet. That doesn't mean they aren't out there, it just means they haven't responded yet... It's just interesting to me.
I think the age thing and how long they have owned the cars has to do more with the price of the cars themselves
Old people that have had the cars a long time were lucky enough to have bought them for 1/10 the price of what they are worth now and have managed to hang on to them all this time
Old people that have not had them very long are the ones with the spare cash to spend now as they are getting closer to retirement and the house is paid off and kids all moved out
I think very few young people will own one because very few of them will have the big bucks at this time to buy a wing car because of all the other life commitments they have
Quote from: 70 sublime on December 01, 2021, 07:06:47 AM
I think very few young people will own one because very few of them will have the big bucks at this time to buy a wing car because of all the other life commitments they have
Who are the people buying slightly out of the wrapper 1987 Buick GNX's for over $200k? Three sales on Bring a Trailer in the last 90 days. Yes, that's insane. I don't think those are being bought by the old people. There is some money out there.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1987-buick-grand-national-gnx-8/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1987-buick-grand-national-gnx-8/)
Quote from: Aero426 on December 01, 2021, 12:31:35 PM
Quote from: 70 sublime on December 01, 2021, 07:06:47 AM
I think very few young people will own one because very few of them will have the big bucks at this time to buy a wing car because of all the other life commitments they have
Who are the people buying slightly out of the wrapper 1987 Buick GNX's for over $200k? Three sales on Bring a Trailer in the last 90 days. Yes, that's insane. I don't think those are being bought by the old people. There is some money out there.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1987-buick-grand-national-gnx-8/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1987-buick-grand-national-gnx-8/)
Pfffft, those Buick people are cheapskates.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1949-dodge-power-wagon-8/
(Pfffft, those Buick people are cheapskates.)
:Twocents: Yeah, we are! I'm still driving my comfy '03 Park Ave Ultra with 295,500 miles to work, 108 miles a day round trip. All to save a car payment and putting towards a real 'Bird. (Reply by pm, hint-hint :icon_smile_wink: )
You get can fins on most things but not wings...
Wing car envy can send some folks REAL crazy... :slap: :smilielol: ::)
Aerolith, I like it! New idea for my P.A. Ultra! Cruising to work, and thinking of the beach.
Quote from: aerolith on December 04, 2021, 10:10:12 AM
You get can fins on most things but not wings...
Quote from: aerolith on December 04, 2021, 10:10:12 AM
You get can fins on most things but not wings...
A Woody? :icon_smile_big:
Do you have a bigger budget for a Daytona than a Bird? I know of a F6 Green Daytona that might be going up for sale if the right person came along :coolgleamA:
Quote from: Moparpoolman on December 17, 2021, 03:55:37 PM
Do you have a bigger budget for a Daytona than a Bird? I know of a F6 Green Daytona that might be going up for sale if the right person came along :coolgleamA:
I will send you a private message in a few minutes.
F6 Daytona, now we are TALKING! :popcrn:
Hoovies Superbird will be up for sale real soon (and cheap) lol.
HNY from limey John
Quote from: aerolith on December 04, 2021, 10:16:13 AM
Wing car envy can send some folks REAL crazy... :slap: :smilielol: ::)
Hey now!
Just an update, I still have not found a suitable car. I'm close on one but it hinges on the purchase of another car on the sellers side. I'm still looking. I joined DSAC and received my first newsletter. If anyone sees or hears about anything out there, I'd really appreciate the tip!! Thanks!!
Car has sold.
Sell, sell, sell, the end of the world is coming!
Only joking guys, my new motto is ''LESS IS MORE''!
Share out the cars and the LOVE to fellow Mopar MEN!!! :pity: :pity: :pity:
You can only live in ONE house and drive only ONE CAR!!! :drive: :drive: :drive:
That's good logic Aero.... I like your style!!
Quote from: Pinballjim on March 02, 2022, 08:39:11 AM
That's good logic Aero.... I like your style!!
Hi Jim, 03 March 2022
We only have one Hemi Daytona remaining; it's R4 with a white wing. It's not for sale . . . . at the moment.
We have a 68 RR, 69 SB and a 000003.1 mile 87 Stang Police Car that may be for sale late this year . . . . if the world is still here.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
PS: Enough tease: Our remaining Hemi Daytona is a scale model.
Thats cool hemi Chicks.
I have already owned a 69 sixpack Superbee, so put me down for the hemi Runner please!
I already decided to sell my 69 Charger 500 as 'needs must'.
But I gonna win the lotto this week and buy a dream car!
Its a HEMI Runner lol...
Vcode x 4 speed in Lemon Twist...
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/283039117141850/?rid=10209608273200803&ad_id&rt=1&refID=0&refType=0
70 Superbird 440 6pak. Tor-Red
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-plymouth-superbird-25/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2022-03-09
I'm watching. I feel as though it will go too high, but I'm watching. Thanks for the tip!
Quote from: Pinballjim on March 09, 2022, 10:26:47 AM
I'm watching. I feel as though it will go too high, but I'm watching. Thanks for the tip!
The last two minutes is when it will spike. Every bid gets reset to two minutes. I've seen this go on for over an hour.
Good luck!
I'll jump on this thread too since I'm looking. My budget is $200k.
Hi folks!
I wish I could be telling everyone here about my recent Superbird purchase but it still hasn't happened. I was close on a couple but the deals fell through. Lots of cold feet and I can't say I blame them. I'm STILL looking for a 440-4/auto but would consider anything available within reason. I do not want a $250k show poodle, mainly because I cant justify the numbers. I want to be able to DRIVE it and I can't justify driving a car worth a quarter mil with some kid coming towards me driving an $1800 Subaru on his cell phone not paying attention to what he's doing. That would NOT end well.
Please keep me in mind if you hear of anything. Thanks!!
Hi Jim, 21 April 2022
Hope your dream comes true in short order. Keep an eye on the up coming auction at MECAM in May. My guess is the prices are going through the roof due to persistent inflation. The buck isn't worth as much today as it was yesterday. People are buying tangible assets rather than stuff you can't do anything with if the economy tanks. There's just too much uncertainty; there will be winners and losers as usual.
Good luck in finding what you're looking for.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: 426HemiChick on April 21, 2022, 01:02:41 PM
Hi Jim, 21 April 2022
Hope your dream comes true in short order. Keep an eye on the up coming auction at MECAM in May. My guess is the prices are going through the roof due to persistent inflation. The buck isn't worth as much today as it was yesterday. People are buying tangible assets rather than stuff you can't do anything with if the economy tanks. There's just too much uncertainty; there will be winners and losers as usual.
Good luck in finding what you're looking for.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
That is one way of looking at things.
Another way is possibly the current sellers feel that the collector car market has peaked or is actually overvalued and have chosen to liquidate their collection.
The Federal Reserve is in the process of raising interest rates in an attempt to reign in inflation.
I believe they will over do it and put the country into a recession. If this occurs, cash will be king.
Smart money always sells at the top and buys when there is blood in the street.
Many people in this country are over leveraged and cannot make it more than two weeks without a paycheck.
The combination of being over leveraged, combined with higher interest rates is going to be painful for many.
Those that have money will be able to sweep in and pick up bargains whether it be stocks real estate or collectables.
My advice is to be patient and have cash readily available if and when a recession or correction occurs.
Just my two cents. Sincerely Vic
Quote from: cudavic on April 22, 2022, 07:38:55 AM
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Those that have money will be able to sweep in and pick up bargains whether it be stocks real estate or collectables.
My advice is to be patient and have cash readily available if and when a recession or correction occurs.
Just my two cents. Sincerely Vic
I agree... I have had many situations where I needed to sell one of mine to get something else I wanted.. Most times I am very reluctant to sell and give up what I have (bird in hand is worth more than 2 in the bush). But with that said, it lowers the ability to cease an opportunity that may show itself into the future (near or distant). It is always better to have available funds so one can pounce.....
Troy/Vic.
I just got back from getting a cup of coffee and saw your posts. Being EARTH day, I took a 1962 Chevy Impala SS 409 convertible (like the song of the same name, it's a 4 speed, dual quad, posi traction) which gets about 7 MPG. Fossil Fuels are YUMMY!! For those of you who are not familiar with the 409, they have a cool history as does the Superbird I seek. Listen to the Beach Boys song. Much like the Jan and Dean song Little Old Lady from Pasadena, if you listen to the lyrics, it brings chills (at least it does to me....).
We're all on the same page. I've been saving my pennies and dimes for a LONG time and have come up with a fair pile of cash (real cash, not a check - we've talked about this earlier in this thread). I'm ready to buy! I don't have to get permission from my wife or my mommy and daddy or anyone else for that matter. I thought the right car was within my grasp a couple times (twice to be exact) but the buyers had second thoughts. I do not fault them in any way. Letting go is not easy and I totally understand. I still speak with both guys and I'm glad to have met them (both are pretty cool cats). I'm waiting for the right car to come along. I'm not looking to screw anyone out of their car. At the same time, I'm not looking to get screwed by a flipper or an opportunist (ie; the auctions) . I can assure anyone looking to sell, I am neither a flipper nor an opportunist. The car, when it comes along, will remain here until I die. It will more than likely get better care than many people I know.
Please keep me in mind! Thanks! I appreciate it!!
Quote from: Pinballjim on April 22, 2022, 08:41:39 AM
Troy/Vic.
I just got back from getting a cup of coffee and saw your posts. Being EARTH day, I took a 1962 Chevy Impala SS 409 convertible (like the song of the same name, it's a 4 speed, dual quad, posi traction) which gets about 7 MPG. Fossil Fuels are YUMMY!! For those of you who are not familiar with the 409, they have a cool history as does the Superbird I seek. Listen to the Beach Boys song. Much like the Jan and Dean song Little Old Lady from Pasadena, if you listen to the lyrics, it brings chills (at least it does to me....).
We're all on the same page. I've been saving my pennies and dimes for a LONG time and have come up with a fair pile of cash (real cash, not a check - we've talked about this earlier in this thread). I'm ready to buy! I don't have to get permission from my wife or my mommy and daddy or anyone else for that matter. I thought the right car was within my grasp a couple times (twice to be exact) but the buyers had second thoughts. I do not fault them in any way. Letting go is not easy and I totally understand. I still speak with both guys and I'm glad to have met them (both are pretty cool cats). I'm waiting for the right car to come along. I'm not looking to screw anyone out of their car. At the same time, I'm not looking to get screwed by a flipper or an opportunist (ie; the auctions) . I can assure anyone looking to sell, I am neither a flipper nor an opportunist. The car, when it comes along, will remain here until I die. It will more than likely get better care than many people I know.
Please keep me in mind! Thanks! I appreciate it!!
I am positive you will find the right one it is just a matter of time and patience.
Oh yes and money. LOL
I remember in the early 90's all was good in my life!
Then the recession hit and I ended up losing everything.
But in 2021, I do have a 1969 Charger 500, that the 'new (best) wife' says I can keep even though we are 'totally broke' after Covid!
Life is so cruel in many ways.
Keep looking Jim, they are out there and sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees...
No faking it though! :slap: :slap: :slap:
Hi All!! Patience is NOT one of my better qualities. HOWEVER - my search for a wing car has taught me that being patient is a necessity especially in the case of "bird hunting". It's a marathon, not a sprint. I am happy to report that I have found and purchased a Superbird that was not being advertised to the masses. It's WAY more car than I thought I'd ever be able to own but it's now here in my garage. I do not feel comfortable discussing the exact details of this purchase but I wanted everyone who has been VERY helpful throughout my search with advice, tips and suggestions to know that my search is over. If I can offer any help to anyone else looking for a bird, please feel free to contact me. Truly a dream come true. Thanks to everyone who has helped!!
Congrats on your find after all of these years! That will be cool to take it to its first cruise-in with you behind the wheel. Allow room for that long nose with the parking curbs. At least you get to drive your car, as mine is still in the resto mode. We'll get together when it's done.
Congrats on your purchase
I was following along on how you were doing thinking one day I might get that far myself
Can you say how far away you had to go to get it home ?
As it turned out, the owner was headed in my direction to buy another car so he threw it in his trailer (and by "threw", I mean very carefully placed) and delivered it to me. Kinda hit two birds with one stone in that regard. It all worked out really well!! I'm taking it to a local show today at noon. Inevitably, someone will ask me how long I've had it. I think it's going to be funny to tell them "About 21 hours".....
Congrat's! :cheers:
Now we need pics! :yesnod:
Quote from: Pinballjim on October 22, 2022, 04:42:22 AM
I do not feel comfortable discussing the exact details of this purchase
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Quote from: Pinballjim on October 22, 2022, 04:42:22 AM
Hi All!! Patience is NOT one of my better qualities. HOWEVER - my search for a wing car has taught me that being patient is a necessity especially in the case of "bird hunting". It's a marathon, not a sprint. I am happy to report that I have found and purchased a Superbird that was not being advertised to the masses. It's WAY more car than I thought I'd ever be able to own but it's now here in my garage. I do not feel comfortable discussing the exact details of this purchase but I wanted everyone who has been VERY helpful throughout my search with advice, tips and suggestions to know that my search is over. If I can offer any help to anyone else looking for a bird, please feel free to contact me. Truly a dream come true. Thanks to everyone who has helped!!
Hi Jim, 22 October 2022
Congratulations!!! Welcome to the Wing Car Family.OK amigo, we have stuck by you since you first posted 12 October 2021. How about a few photos of your dream "Came True" machine and a few details of the Bird itself.
You owe no one $$$ details of your transaction, who you purchased it from or where you found it. That all is between You, and the Seller. The $$$ amount is the province of the TAX Assessor and Collector and the amount they extract from you. Hate those last two Vultures. Don't know which are the "Worser", Flippers or Vultures. The latter Takes, gives nothing in return.
Enjoy your new ride.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
OK, here's the problem. Simply put, I don't know how to post pictures. There. I said it. I'm not too computer savvy. I'm trying to figure it out. I can say this: It's numbers matching with a build sheet. It's a U code/automatic car and it's pretty cool. At some point, I'll figure this tech thing out.....
Congratulation Pinball, Happy to hear the good news as I resonated with this thread in many ways. We're same age (I'm 1 yr older), a semi-new owner as well (3 years ago) and was my Dream car since building the Jo-Han Richard Petty Superbird model in 1970 at the ripe age of 6 :icon_smile_big: and I still have that model today !
Congrats, Jim. I'm glad you found it!
Quote from: Pinballjim on October 22, 2022, 06:03:54 PM
OK, here's the problem. Simply put, I don't know how to post pictures. There. I said it. I'm not too computer savvy. I'm trying to figure it out. I can say this: It's numbers matching with a build sheet. It's a U code/automatic car and it's pretty cool. At some point, I'll figure this tech thing out.....
I can relate to your struggle on posting pictures.
Can you tell us the color?
I can relate to your struggle on posting pictures.
Can you tell us the color?
Of course. The way I see it, if you're going to get a a Superbird, (a car that according to many has outrageous body lines), why not have it in an outrageous color? FJ5.
Very cool Jim! Glad it all worked out. As much as you don't have to give the details on what you paid, was it local to you? Word of mouth? How did you cross paths to get it?
Quote from: Pinballjim on October 23, 2022, 07:04:43 AM
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Of course. The way I see it, if you're going to get a a Superbird, (a car that according to many has outrageous body lines), why not have it in an outrageous color? FJ5.
Hi Jim, 23 October 2022
Not wanting to be a pest, but what color is FJ5?
We like names, like Hemi Orange, Bright Red, Blue, Green, Brown, etc. You get the idea.
Our Daytona was Hemi Orange, V2 we think, our Super Bee is Bright Red, R4 maybe, our Road Runner is Red, ugly red, haven't a clue to its code and could care less as it will be repainted in Bright Red or Black.
How did the car show go? We bet you had a grand time.
Take Care and enjoy your new treasure and DON'T let anyone else drive it except YOU. It's YOURS and you worked hard for it.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks and their Wanted Outlaw.
Quote from: Pinballjim on October 23, 2022, 07:04:43 AM
I can relate to your struggle on posting pictures.
Can you tell us the color?
Of course. The way I see it, if you're going to get a a Superbird, (a car that according to many has outrageous body lines), why not have it in an outrageous color? FJ5.
Congratulations PPJ :yesnod: :coolgleamA: :cheers:
FJ5 sublime /limelight with black top interior awesome color combination :yesnod: :drool5:
Quote from: tan top on October 23, 2022, 02:44:20 PM
Congratulations PPJ :yesnod: :coolgleamA: :cheers:
FJ5 sublime /limelight with black top interior awesome color combination :yesnod: :drool5:
Hi tan top, 23 October 2022
Thanks for the color. We're not much on the detail code stuff.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: 426HemiChick on October 23, 2022, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: tan top on October 23, 2022, 02:44:20 PM
Congratulations PPJ :yesnod: :coolgleamA: :cheers:
FJ5 sublime /limelight with black top interior awesome color combination :yesnod: :drool5:
Hi tan top, 23 October 2022
Thanks for the color. We're not much on the detail code stuff.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
:2thumbs: :cheers:
the F in FJ5 is the year that color was introduced F series being the 1970 model year ,
as far as i know color codes went 3 digit in 1970
1970Moparmann - It was a word of mouth thing. Before I knew it, we made a deal. It didn't happen overnight. It took almost a year of back and forth but we got the task done.
426HC - The show went well. It was by a lake and it was warm here for late October (sunny and 72). Several people commented that they had never seen a wing car in person and then asked if it was real. They asked how long I've had it. I looked at my watch and said "Almost a day - 21 hours". They thought I was joking but when I told them I got the car the day before the show, they thought that was pretty neat. I went on to explain my search and the history of wing cars. There was an indian family who seemed very interested in it. They spoke broken english but we were able to communicate well. They took a bunch of pictures of it but their cameras REALLY went crazy when I opened the door and told the kids to get in with mom and dad. I like to think I did my part to promote future interest in not only wing cars but cars in general. They were very respectful and thanked me multiple times. Kinda made my day.
Quote from: Sgt Superbird on October 22, 2022, 10:28:52 PM
Congrats, Jim. I'm glad you found it!
Hi Sarge, 23 October 2022
"I'm glad you found it!"So are we! It took Jim a bit over a year, that's right good; there are many still looking.
Being in the right place at the right time with cash in hand is a serious bargaining chip.
Take Care
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: Pinballjim on October 23, 2022, 03:48:40 PM
1970Moparmann - It was a word of mouth thing. Before I knew it, we made a deal. It didn't happen overnight. It took almost a year of back and forth but we got the task done.
426HC - The show went well. It was by a lake and it was warm here for late October (sunny and 72). Several people commented that they had never seen a wing car in person and then asked if it was real. They asked how long I've had it. I looked at my watch and said "Almost a day - 21 hours". They thought I was joking but when I told them I got the car the day before the show, they thought that was pretty neat. I went on to explain my search and the history of wing cars. There was an indian family who seemed very interested in it. They spoke broken english but we were able to communicate well. They took a bunch of pictures of it but their cameras REALLY went crazy when I opened the door and told the kids to get in with mom and dad. I like to think I did my part to promote future interest in not only wing cars but cars in general. They were very respectful and thanked me multiple times. "Kinda made my day."
Hi Jim, 23 October 2022
You did GREAT. Brought tears to our eyes reading your post. Keep doing it, especially for the kids; they are the future and what we do for and with them will have a large impact on the future of our beloved country.
Thanks so much, you are a Great American. God Bless You and Your Family, wish there were more like You.
You Also Made Our Day !!!
Best Always
Dena and Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: tan top on October 23, 2022, 03:39:29 PM
Quote from: 426HemiChick on October 23, 2022, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: tan top on October 23, 2022, 02:44:20 PM
Congratulations PPJ :yesnod: :coolgleamA: :cheers:
FJ5 sublime /limelight with black top interior awesome color combination :yesnod: :drool5:
Hi tan top, 23 October 2022
Thanks for the color. We're not much on the detail code stuff.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
:2thumbs: :cheers:
the F in FJ5 is the year that color was introduced F series being the 1970 model year ,
as far as i know color codes went 3 digit in 1970
Really, what is B5?
The *999 chart colors for Dodge are interesting. Maybe the Plymouth 999 colors are on the other side of the page... :scratchchin:
Quote from: cudavic on October 23, 2022, 04:01:42 PM
Quote from: tan top on October 23, 2022, 03:39:29 PM
Quote from: 426HemiChick on October 23, 2022, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: tan top on October 23, 2022, 02:44:20 PM
Congratulations PPJ :yesnod: :coolgleamA: :cheers:
FJ5 sublime /limelight with black top interior awesome color combination :yesnod: :drool5:
Hi tan top, 23 October 2022
Thanks for the color. We're not much on the detail code stuff.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
:2thumbs: :cheers:
the F in FJ5 is the year that color was introduced F series being the 1970 model year ,
as far as i know color codes went 3 digit in 1970
Really, what is B5?
3 digits should always be used when referring to these older Mopar Colors. By only using 2 digits not all 2 digits are the same. For example, I've seen many people spray their Car the wrong B5 Blue. Why, because 70 B5 Blue is different than 71 B5 Blue. LEON.
Quote from: cudavic on October 23, 2022, 04:01:42 PM
Quote from: tan top on October 23, 2022, 03:39:29 PM
Quote from: 426HemiChick on October 23, 2022, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: tan top on October 23, 2022, 02:44:20 PM
Congratulations PPJ :yesnod: :coolgleamA: :cheers:
FJ5 sublime /limelight with black top interior awesome color combination :yesnod: :drool5:
Hi tan top, 23 October 2022
Thanks for the color. We're not much on the detail code stuff.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
:2thumbs: :cheers:
the F in FJ5 is the year that color was introduced F series being the 1970 model year ,
as far as i know color codes went 3 digit in 1970
Really, what is B5?
as far as i know
B5 1969 color first on the E series models , so on a 1970 F series mopar it will say EB5
i await to be corrected on any of this :cheers:
Quote from: tan top on October 26, 2022, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: cudavic on October 23, 2022, 04:01:42 PM
Quote from: tan top on October 23, 2022, 03:39:29 PM
Quote from: 426HemiChick on October 23, 2022, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: tan top on October 23, 2022, 02:44:20 PM
Congratulations PPJ :yesnod: :coolgleamA: :cheers:
FJ5 sublime /limelight with black top interior awesome color combination :yesnod: :drool5:
Hi tan top, 23 October 2022
Thanks for the color. We're not much on the detail code stuff.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
:2thumbs: :cheers:
the F in FJ5 is the year that color was introduced F series being the 1970 model year ,
as far as i know color codes went 3 digit in 1970
Really, what is B5?
as far as i know
B5 1969 color first on the E series models , so on a 1970 F series mopar it will say EB5
i await to be corrected on any of this :cheers:
YES, A 1969 & 1970 Car in B5 blue would be EB5 while the 1971 Car would be GB5. G for 1971. LEON.