i feel like this topic would be sidetracking the "CSI" thread on allen's car, so i will start a new one. heck, for all i know, this may have already been addressed in an old thread. if thats the case, can someone point me to it?
my curiosity started with this post, on the CSI thread
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 20, 2011, 08:35:02 AM
Quote from: held1823 on October 20, 2011, 08:15:35 AM
the WW list that dave posted above shows a 376559, which does not appear on the list of 500 cars on a different thread?
We will see what Dave says, but I am guessing that these owner lists were compiled before the 500 +/- car shipping list was available to the clubs. It might be an R/T cloned into an "XX", or one that got omitted by mistake. Might be a clue in the covered up area... :scratchchin: wonder why it was covered? ....Dave? Can you post the entire page, or better yet the entire list? :popcrn:
all told, there are five VIN numbers on the handful of club listing pages that dave added to the CSI thread, that are not on the ship list previously posted in yet other thread.
217178, 376559, 381930, 388881, and 414734
a few of these numbers would be way out of sequence, although 376559 seems to be just a typo (a 7 in place of the 8 ), as it is likely the vern judy car.
there is also a 414634 on the ship list, which could explain the last one of the five VIN's listed above.
217178 exists and is in a sequence. It's also on the list.
Quote from: RallyeMike on October 21, 2011, 01:55:20 AM
217178 exists and is in a sequence. It's also on the list.
and if I recall, the low seq# of 217### indicates it's a 500 whereas the higher numbers are all Daytonas?
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 21, 2011, 06:36:06 AM
Quote from: RallyeMike on October 21, 2011, 01:55:20 AM
217178 exists and is in a sequence. It's also on the list.
and if I recall, the low seq# of 217### indicates it's a 500 whereas the higher numbers are all Daytonas?
:yesnod: a XX vin as low as 217### must be a C500 , my R/T SE is 219### with a SPD 11-22-68
think Mopar Struarts C500 starts 21#### also :scratchchin:
:popcrn:
What is the first XX sequence # 21?
287970 is car #501
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,76676.msg861219/topicseen.html#msg861219
I also located actual ads for daytona and see if they matched ship list :Twocents:
There also a 1979 Car Collector article on wingcar vin sequences :Twocents:
The wingcars & 500 vin numbers dictated from the 1979 archive article as written it says All known true charger 500s identification numbers are XX29*9B10000-XX29*9B260000 Daytonas 280000-480000 superbirds140000-182000
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/October79Wingarticle.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/dta.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/Untitled-Scanned-01-1.jpg) 2 210 daytonas 210708 210719 coincedence there both from Ohio
Quote from: RallyeMike on October 21, 2011, 01:55:20 AM
217178 exists and is in a sequence. It's also on the list.
Thats this car, right?
Quote from: RallyeMike on October 21, 2011, 01:55:20 AM
217178 exists and is in a sequence. It's also on the list.
cool my 500 is B217188
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 21, 2011, 06:36:06 AM
Quote from: RallyeMike on October 21, 2011, 01:55:20 AM
217178 exists and is in a sequence. It's also on the list.
and if I recall, the low seq# of 217### indicates it's a 500 whereas the higher numbers are all Daytonas?
that's what i was assuming. ironically, that seems to be the only c500 on the club pages i was referring to. my original train of thought was daytona-specific VIN numbers, although I didnt convey that very well. i edited the thread title, to correct my oversight.
The 500 lists 79-89
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_3660.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_3661.jpg)
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 21, 2011, 08:24:57 AM
287970 is car #501
that is correct, so it was not one of the five VIN numbers that i mentioned.
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 21, 2011, 08:24:57 AM
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/dta.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/Untitled-Scanned-01-1.jpg)
2) 210 daytonas 210708 210719
coincedence there both from Ohio
210719 is shown as a c500 on the list you attached here?
210708, is a new mystery
Another mystery was this posted by XS29J the car that follows after 287970
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/IMG_7840.jpg)
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,58378.msg651708/topicseen.html#msg651708
The Charger500 & Daytona VIN ranges from the 1969 Charger Registry:
http://www.1969chargerregistry.com/decoder.html (http://www.1969chargerregistry.com/decoder.html)
.I have this 2 page submitted daytona vin list by GG as of 11-89 .It has 468330 and 500564 as recorded daytonas.
Numbers higher than 434780
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/DTALIST-1.jpg)
QuoteThe wingcars & 500 vin numbers dictated from the 1979 archive article as written it says All known true charger 500s identification numbers are XX29*9B10000-XX29*9B260000 Daytonas 280000-480000 superbirds140000-182000
Highest publicly known VIN 500 is 248666. I wonder how many cars might exist from 248666 to 260000?
Quote2 210 daytonas 210708 210719 coincedence there both from Ohio
Just a correction to this statement for clarity - these cars are 500's, not Daytonas.
Theres been 500s back in the day like 138602 had all daytona parts on it.And it may been recorded as a daytona as this example.And below in the clipped classified ad(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/1969_DAYTONA_SILVER_01.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/WING_CAR_ARTICLE_04-1.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/vintagewingcarads3.jpg)
So the 500 I recently obtained (and known) is 156... in that stack, for some reason I was thinking it would be lower in those numbers, at the same time it's vin is an XX car so it is somewhat later by build date. FYI the one I just sold was 144...
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 21, 2011, 09:20:55 AM
The 500 lists 79-89
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(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_3661.jpg)
:popcrn: :popcrn: Interesting, and I have one star :2thumbs: :smilielol: :smilielol: :slap:
from this one photo alone, i see eight additional VIN numbers that were not on any list(s) that ive seen before.
405110, 409021, 414558. 414564, 414734, 434240, 468330, 500564
im not sure why all of this has recently piqued my curiosity, but the more i see and "learn", the more puzzling it all becomes. the concern is not so much the total cars built, but the realization that enthusiasts have not pooled their knowledge and resources to build a more comprehensive and definitive list of daytona VIN numbers.
everything daytona VIN related that i have encountered, beyond the car sitting in the barn here, has come from this website. i recently entered a few of these lists into an excel spreadsheet, starting with the ship list info. the ship list is pretty definitive, as to true VIN numbers. when you start adding these "mystery" VIN numbers from lists such as the one here, the total approaches 515 to 520 cars.
long ago, i read, in a magazine article, that the 503 car figure excluded the exported cars, and that the actual total was around 540 total daytonas built. that seems odd, as the canadian VIN's are included in the ship list, but who knows?
is it just my imagination that people are reluctant to share information that could help build a more definitive list of these cars? id hate to think that it stems from a "knowledge is power" attitude, or even worse, that someone would withhold answers in hopes of scoring a buck or two. to me, that individual would be an opportunist, not an enthusiast.
i do not have an agenda, nor anything to gain, from seeing a more accurate VIN list. The documentation of the daytona sitting here is settled, as it has been in my family since day one. ironcally, the VIN for it is the one cut off at the bottom of this photo.
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on October 21, 2011, 11:23:13 AM
:popcrn: :popcrn: Interesting, and I have one star :2thumbs: :smilielol: :smilielol: :slap:
Only one... ;) :scratchchin: A little "photoshop" work and I feel all better... :D :icon_smile_big: :lol:
Quote from: held1823 on October 21, 2011, 11:40:28 AM
from this one photo alone, i see eight additional VIN numbers that were not on any list(s) that ive seen before.
405110, 409021, 414558. 414564, 414734, 434240, 468330, 500564
im not sure why all of this has recently piqued my curiosity, but the more i see and "learn", the more puzzling it all becomes. the concern is not so much the total cars built, but the realization that enthusiasts have not pooled their knowledge and resources to build a more comprehensive and definitive list of daytona VIN numbers.
everything daytona VIN related that i have encountered, beyond the car sitting in the barn here, has come from this website. i recently entered a few of these lists into an excel spreadsheet, starting with the ship list info. the ship list is pretty definitive, as to true VIN numbers. when you start adding these "mystery" VIN numbers from lists such as the one here, the total approaches 515 to 520 cars.
long ago, i read, in a magazine article, that the 503 car figure excluded the exported cars, and that the actual total was around 540 total daytonas built. that seems odd, as the canadian VIN's are included in the ship list, but who knows?
is it just my imagination that people are reluctant to share information that could help build a more definitive list of these cars? id hate to think that it stems from a "knowledge is power" attitude, or even worse, that someone would withhold answers in hopes of scoring a buck or two. to me, that individual would be an opportunist, not an enthuiast.
i do not have an agenda, nor anything to gain, from seeing a more accurate VIN list. The documentation of the daytona sitting here is settled, as it has been in my family since day one. ironcally, the VIN for it is the one cut off at the bottom of this photo.
I think I have that article 500 US daytona and additional 43 went to Canada 543 total.Shiplist 501
. I did a while ago was daytona per state totals
69 Daytona list per state totals going from the current standing list number to date #501 cars from pages supplied in my club newsletter that shows the new car shipments for 69 daytonas and locations shipped to Including serial numbers and dealer number and dealer location. Also shows what states did and did not recieve a 69 daytona .Starting with the 440s AL-11 AZ-5 AR-2 CANADA 45 CA-38 CO-12 CON-2 DE-1 FL-16 GA-16 HAWAII-2 ID-1 IL-22 IN-21 IA-3 KAN-7 KEN-5 LOU-7 ME-1 MD-2 MASS-5 MI-26 MINN-3 MISS-1 MO-21 MONT-1 NEB-4 NV-2 NH-2 NJ-6 NY-26 NC-13 NDKT-1 SDKT-4.OH-25 OK-9 ORE-7 PA-23 RI-3 SC-4 TN-5 TX-20 UT-1 VT-1 VA-13 WA ST-7 WA-DC-2 W VA-1 WI-9-The 426 states AZ-1 CANADA-5 CA-7 CO-3 GA-1 IL-1 IN-1 KAN-1 MD-1 MI-2 MO-1 NY-1 NC-1 OH-3 PA-1 SC-1 TX-3 WVA-1 WI-1 .Total #501 465- 440 Hemi-36 for the 47 states 1 line was unreadable unknown state. 2 cars were 440 dodge exec cars with no dealer location in house cars and figured in with the MI total.Only #3 states didnt recieve 69 Daytona on this current list Alaska-New Mexico-Wyoming
Quote from: held1823 on October 21, 2011, 11:40:28 AM
from this one photo alone, i see eight additional VIN numbers that were not on any list(s) that ive seen before.
405110, 409021, 414558. 414564, 414734, 434240, 468330, 500564
im not sure why all of this has recently piqued my curiosity, but the more i see and "learn", the more puzzling it all becomes. the concern is not so much the total cars built, but the realization that enthusiasts have not pooled their knowledge and resources to build a more comprehensive and definitive list of daytona VIN numbers.
everything daytona VIN related that i have encountered, beyond the car sitting in the barn here, has come from this website. i recently entered a few of these lists into an excel spreadsheet, starting with the ship list info. the ship list is pretty definitive, as to true VIN numbers. when you start adding these "mystery" VIN numbers from lists such as the one here, the total approaches 515 to 520 cars.
long ago, i read, in a magazine article, that the 503 car figure excluded the exported cars, and that the actual total was around 540 total daytonas built. that seems odd, as the canadian VIN's are included in the ship list, but who knows?
is it just my imagination that people are reluctant to share information that could help build a more definitive list of these cars? id hate to think that it stems from a "knowledge is power" attitude, or even worse, that someone would withhold answers in hopes of scoring a buck or two. to me, that individual would be an opportunist, not an enthusiast.
i do not have an agenda, nor anything to gain, from seeing a more accurate VIN list. The documentation of the daytona sitting here is settled, as it has been in my family since day one. ironcally, the VIN for it is the one cut off at the bottom of this photo.
[/quoAnother XX29L9B423239
423239 show up on one of the lists ive seen. i think it was this thread?
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,75320.0.html
i see it was/is f8 with white interior. is it an auto or 4 speed?
on the 500 list, 220077 lived about a mile from me. It was an A/C car, column automatic. I think it had a buddy seat/arm rest and I KNOW it had a vinyl roof in 1973-1978, but no idea if it was factory...
by assembling the information i've seen, i have this as a starting point. this list is possible, thanks to the time and effort of numerous other enthusiasts who are willing to share their knowledge.
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very little of the information in the list above was new to the board, although i tried to combine info from numerous threads into one list. the VIN total is not anything official, but rather a list of all those that i came across. i have no doubt that more accurate and complete lists are out there. if more correct info is available, and you are willing to share it, all the better.
Quoteis it just my imagination that people are reluctant to share information that could help build a more definitive list of these cars? id hate to think that it stems from a "knowledge is power" attitude, or even worse, that someone would withhold answers in hopes of scoring a buck or two. to me, that individual would be an opportunist, not an enthusiast.
Sure it would be nice if there was a central repository with all information made public and shared. Everyone would have to give up everything they know and register their fender tag, VIN, and tire pressure. No fibbing and no holding back! After lunch we'll tackle world-peace..... :lol:
Galen will go first....
also on the 500 list, I see mine isn't on there either...T5 440 auto #162279 (although 162297 is on the list, with no other info?? typo?) :shruggy:
:Twocents: For quite sometime 392 was the given number for the 69 Charger 500 number.GG says 580
All I can say is that the list of 500 VINs that was in the WW newslettters is a little more than half of the numbers that I have in my own list. Gene would be a good one to ask about the Daytona list as I know he has a spreadsheet for them like I do for the 500's.
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 21, 2011, 09:59:11 AM
Numbers higher than 434780
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/DTALIST-1.jpg)
it says 4 cars were AC equiped. Those had to be 500s. Did they ever make a daytona with AC? I always thought they didn't because they couldn't keep them from over heating :scratchchin:
Quote from: 41husk on October 22, 2011, 09:01:43 AM
it says 4 cars were AC equiped. Those had to be 500s. Did they ever make a daytona with AC? I always thought they didn't because they couldn't keep them from over heating :scratchchin:
the header says dealer installed air. the total number is higher than i would have expected. i wonder if it was added to any of them, to help sell the car, or if they were all by owner request?
Nice work we did ours on Microsoft works on a rewritable CD you can edit and add remarks.Like added on AC basket case ebay car etc.You can sort columns by states vin numbers etc
XX29L9B355104 is a Dodge Executive garage car belongs to a friend.I got a zerox copy of the buildsheet as his car had so many options PW etc.I didnt believe it came loaded with so many options when daytonas where rushed out.But its a well optioned 440 car
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,75320.0.html 1/2 down full daytona shiplist.
The other list has cars that Bobby Isaac Jim Foster etc owned by the paperwork.Not on the shiplist
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,33772.0.html
XX29L9B355109 you show N/A but heres the actual car member mopar heaven .AKA Jim Foster Daytona
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,59810.msg677283/topicseen.html#msg677283
Quote from: RallyeMike on October 21, 2011, 01:26:56 PM
Quoteis it just my imagination that people are reluctant to share information that could help build a more definitive list of these cars? id hate to think that it stems from a "knowledge is power" attitude, or even worse, that someone would withhold answers in hopes of scoring a buck or two. to me, that individual would be an opportunist, not an enthusiast.
Sure it would be nice if there was a central repository with all information made public and shared. Everyone would have to give up everything they know and register their fender tag, VIN, and tire pressure. No fibbing and no holding back! After lunch we'll tackle world-peace..... :lol:
Galen will go first...
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Alot of the cars on shiplist Ive personally seen at etc mopar events over the years sold parts to talked to etc .Taken those into account and ones seen on various auctions an ebay.Would give you a short list of inactive cars and there vins .Either sitting/ unknown or gone all together. :Twocents:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 22, 2011, 10:02:06 AM
Nice work we did ours on Microsoft works on a rewritable CD you can edit and add remarks.Like added on AC basket case ebay car etc.You can sort columns by states vin numbers etc
this was done with microsoft excel, which also has those capabilities. i gave up trying to copy and paste it, so what you see here are just screen shots (photos) of the file. the file itself can be easily updated, but the photos shown here are just that, and can not show any changes.
a LOT of the info i used, came from your posts. thank you for making it available to others.
No problem I got this stuff and also look for more wherever espically first owner paperwork day one pictures .Also if you board search on here or google just XX29 orXX29L-9-B or J complete vin number you get results .I also entered dealer names from shiplist and vins and found auction results on car listed by vin
Quote from: held1823 on October 22, 2011, 10:58:32 AM
this was done with microsoft excel, which also has those capabilities. i gave up trying to copy and paste it, so what you see here are just screen shots (photos) of the file. the file itself can be easily updated, but the photos shown here are just that, and can not show any changes.
a LOT of the info i used, came from your posts. thank you for making it available to others.
Thanks for your work on this... great thread! After you are done tweaking the list, and believe it is ready for it's "Initial Release"... If you want, I can assemble the images into printable 850x1100 images like the example below with the first three images combined. Try printing the sample below, and see if you like it...
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/xs29j8/Misc%20Pictures/DaytonaProductionList_22Nov2011_Ver100_Page1of7_InWork.jpg)
Depending on your amount of columns available you might want to include furthest back previous owner info where as you can find it. And include the Nascar drivers owned street driven daytonas not on regular shiplist . Need anything just ask.
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_3684.jpg)
Theres a daytona in the stripe color shiplist SPD 519 VON 926115 Commerce Garage Ohio Sales Show black stripe XX29L9B286583.Still looking for the 217 car
SPD 519 VON 926217 Pierce Dodge Littleton Co Shows red stripe XX29L9B2386554
Just to help you fill in; I have seen the sheets for the following;
409030 - T5, tan
414639 - V2, black
And from a Book, a DVD and from speaking with people who have seen the car when it first arrived,
414638 - T5, tan
And from this site;
414659 - V2, black
414660 - X9, black
Quote from: held1823 on October 21, 2011, 01:18:08 PM
very little of the information in the list above was new to the board, although i tried to combine info from numerous threads into one list. the VIN total is not anything official, but rather a list of all those that i came across.
i have no doubt that more accurate and complete lists are out there. if anyone with a genuine love of these cars wants the file i put together, just ask. if more correct info is available, and you are willing to share it, all the better.
Can you email the Excel file? I use Works for this type of thing, but I may be able to convert it in a few hours. With Works the grid can be copied & pasted.
sixpak340(at symbol here)att.net if so. :cheers:
#409060 Goeke...F6, white/4-spd
#356538 Shope...R4, blk/AT
440 P31 Power windows R22 Am 8 track N88 Cruise control.
Dodge Executive Garage Daytona 355104
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_3698.jpg)
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 22, 2011, 04:28:45 PM
Depending on your amount of columns available you might want to include furthest back previous owner info where as you can find it. And include the Nascar drivers owned street driven daytonas not on regular shiplist . Need anything just ask.
it wont show on the photos above, but i did add the nascar drivers in a new column on the file. the number of available columns can go into the thousands. there could be a column for every option possible, but that task is not one id want to tackle.
as far as listing owner names, that might ruffle a few feathers. it's one thing to build a "dealer inventory" list, but quite another to track a car over the years. i'm afraid that disclosing any personal information might keep someone from sharing even the most basic stuff. if someone wants to take a list to that level, that would be up to them.
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on October 22, 2011, 06:32:47 PM
Can you email the Excel file? I use Works for this type of thing, but I may be able to convert it in a few hours. With Works the grid can be copied & pasted.:cheers:
i'll email it this evening.
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 22, 2011, 03:01:53 PM
Thanks for your work on this... great thread! After you are done tweaking the list, and believe it is ready for it's "Initial Release"... If you want, I can assemble the images into printable 850x1100 images like the example below with the first three images combined. Try printing the sample below, and see if you like it...
that would work great for anyone wanting a hard copy. i posted the images the way i did, just to fill in all the blank posts i had already created when trying to copy and paste it the first time. i can email you the file itself, with the updates from today, rather than you trying to work with the cropped and resized stuff i posted.
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 22, 2011, 05:10:03 PM
Theres a daytona in the stripe color shiplist SPD 519 VON 926115 Commerce Garage Ohio Sales Show black stripe XX29L9B286583.Still looking for the 217 car
SPD 519 VON 926217 Pierce Dodge Littleton Co Shows red stripe XX29L9B2386554
let me know if you come up with anything else on these, dave. im not sure whether to add the two VIN's to the list or not, since they are so far out of sequence?
Quote from: FJMG on October 22, 2011, 05:58:24 PM
Just to help you fill in; I have seen the sheets for the following;
409030 - T5, tan
414639 - V2, black
And from a Book, a DVD and from speaking with people who have seen the car when it first arrived,
414638 - T5, tan
And from this site;
414659 - V2, black
414660 - X9, black
thanks, this info has been added.
Quote from: 69 DAYTONA on October 22, 2011, 07:27:32 PM
#409060 Goeke...F6, white/4-spd
#356538 Shope...R4, blk/AT
dang, larry. you'd think id have added these two from memory, especially since one of them is sitting less than a mile from my house
oooops. wrong button. no wonder the edit wouldn't show up....
Quote from: held1823 on October 22, 2011, 08:59:15 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 22, 2011, 05:10:03 PM
Theres a daytona in the stripe color shiplist SPD 519 VON 926115 Commerce Garage Ohio Sales Show black stripe XX29L9B286583.Still looking for the 217 car
SPD 519 VON 926217 Pierce Dodge Littleton Co Shows red stripe XX29L9B2386554
let me know if you come up with anything else on these, dave. im not sure whether to add the two VIN's to the list or not, since they are so far out of sequence?
Quote from: FJMG on October 22, 2011, 05:58:24 PM
Just to help you fill in; I have seen the sheets for the following;
409030 - T5, tan
414639 - V2, black
And from a Book, a DVD and from speaking with people who have seen the car when it first arrived,
414638 - T5, tan
And from this site;
414659 - V2, black
414660 - X9, black
thanks, this info has been added.
Quote from: 69 DAYTONA on October 22, 2011, 07:27:32 PM
#409060 Goeke...F6, white/4-spd
#356538 Shope...R4, blk/AT
dang, larry. you'd think id have added these two from memory, especially since one of them is sitting less than a mile from my house
:>)))
From the (incorrect) broadcast sheet found in my Daytona...
356519 - R4 - Black - 4 Speed
duplicated post
The oldest dated record of past owner history.Is what I would like to see.If I was looking into a certain cars history :Twocents:
The wingcar period from 80s & on cars changed hands so much and so often .Im still looking a finding other buildsheets in my albums
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 22, 2011, 09:54:42 PM
The oldest dated record of past owner history.Is what I would like to see.If I was looking into a certain cars history :Twocents:The wingcar period from 80s & on cars changed hands so much and so often
sorry, i misread it the first time. i agree, that would be pretty cool, but man, would it ever be a task. any takers?
Most of that exchanged type of info .I find right here who owned it where it sat and in what cond etc.By first second third hand accounts etc.Take Larrys F6 daytona we know its life history and seen archive pictures :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Not every car and story is that through
This was a great account of a one owner story
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,84260.0.html vin with history
Former stolen daytona
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,35673.msg391232/topicseen.html#msg391232 vins with history
Three from the Internet...
The second is the "Debris Field" Daytona from eBay (XX29L9B402977)
The third is the "Ravine Remnants" Daytona
Another my friend in TX gave me the heads up about this car way back 355107.
Old club recorded number lists
http://www.colinsclassicauto.com/domestic_affairs_0610.pdf
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_3702.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_3703.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_3705.jpg)
Buildsheets 390014 .And recently reunited to the 510 daytona buildsheet
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/buildsheet001.jpg)
when i first started this thread, it was just a curiousity thing that had no real implications. the more i've thought about, along with the responses to the topic thus far, have got me thinking about continuing to work on it. this might even be a bonus for me, as i need the practice working with the excel software. the spread sheet now is laid out a little differently than in the photos i posted earlier in this thread. i've filled in at least fifty holes, just from the replies and searching some of the older threads. hopefully, this doesn't become an obsession. when i give up, i'll repost the final product, and perhaps someone else will take up the torch and build a comprehensive, and public, database of the cars. our own little daytonapedia, so to speak.
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: On your one place daytona resource Im trying to get the ads to go with most or all of the shiplist cars in my new photobucket account and give all access .I got alot never posted to share
Another good reference 69 charger registry has a gallery many thumbnail pics of daytonas.That I or others might be able to put vins with by recognizing the car.
http://www.1969chargerregistry.com/gallery/daytona?page=1
:o this is awesome stuff !! nice job on the list !! (held1823) :bow: makes for good ! intresting reading :yesnod: , love this kind of stuff :yesnod: :popcrn:
have a couple of daytona fender tag pictures saved , some where , lost a lot when i had to have the hard drive replaced & never backed that file up :slap:!
will post them here as & when , if you have no info on them
XX29L9B409058 is looking like its V2
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Investment-Grade-s-Match-1969-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-/280756597502?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item415e65b2fe
it will take some time, but a lot of the original information is out there. i just have to uncover it. there are 100 pages of posts to sort through for this forum alone. amazingly (sadly?), half of them so far seem to concern clones (psttt troy, two words: aero-clone section). the ship list could knock SPD numbers out in a hurry, but where would the fun be in that...
i've decided to focus only on the cars as they left chrysler, and leave any ownership history completely off of this list. doing so should allleviate any and all concern about privacy, since no one was even an owner at that point in time. below is a sample of where things stand at the moment. short of clear photos of 500 fender tags, this is the extent of detail i intend to gather up. options, stripe colors, and the like, are far beyond my enthusiasm level at this time.
Those uncertain vins came later I dont think many of them were even on the old lists like this
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_1192.jpg)
Quote from: tan top on October 24, 2011, 03:25:08 AM
:o this is awesome stuff !! nice job on the list !! (held1823) :bow: makes for good ! intresting reading :yesnod: , love this kind of stuff :yesnod: :popcrn:
have a couple of daytona fender tag pictures saved , some where , lost a lot when i had to have the hard drive replaced & never backed that file up :slap:!
will post them here as & when , if you have no info on them
XX29L9B409058 is looking like its V2
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Investment-Grade-s-Match-1969-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-/280756597502?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item415e65b2fe
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,51033.0.html 409058
the 356523 big willie car is on that page. has anyone accurately determined which ship list number is correct for that car - #17 or #364?
would you choose #364, simply because it is closer to the second willie car on the list (356525, car #386)?
356523 shows both new york (Gramatan(spelling?)) and texas (Vario) origins, while 356525 shows as california (Earl Ike). if it wasnt confusing enough, the third willie car (356535, car #214) shows north carolina. willie's LA group sure seems to have gotten around.
regardless of which one is really the 356523 car, what becomes of the other ship-listed number? some other car, had to be that second ship number. does that ship list number join #92 and #115, in the orphanage?
:Twocents: Big Willies car got around his current 440 Daytona on ebay sold 10 minutes from me going by the list @ Cherry Hill Dodge On another note his magazine ad Hemi Daytona had Warren Fox dodge on it 1/4s..Hard to say for sure where it orginated from.If I can find I got a ad from Vern Holmes CA 426 daytona PW
has it been determined where 381550 was actually shipped to? new york (470), or oregon (64)?
379743 275 ny DeFranco Dodge Peekskill, NJ 8/28/1969
379753 332 ny Culver Dodge Rochester, NY 8/29/1969
381550 470 ny McEvoy Dodge Rochester, NY 9/4/1969 duplicate
Quote from: held1823 on October 26, 2011, 01:25:52 AM
has it been determined where 381550 was actually shipped to? new york (470), or oregon (64)?
As far as I know, 381550 is not a duplicate listing. #470 on the list is 381554 if I'm not mistaken.
I haven't had time to go through this thread as carefully as I'd like, but it's a good thing for multiple people to be checking and re-checking the list. I still don't feel like my spreadsheets are 100% complete, and I've been incrementally working on it since the Shipping List was first published in 2003-4.
For what it's worth, for about 3-4 years now Troy P. and I have been gradually developing a Daytona Registry that will allow users to search the respective Shipping & Dealer Invoice list for certain cars, sort through registered cars for certain option combinations (no publication of owner's names, etc.), and a bunch of other cool features. It's obviously been in the works for a long time, but hopefully someday soon we can have a roll-out of the initial website for everyone to kick around. One of the problems in developing such a thing is the more I stew on it, the more ideas I come up with. Troy probably cringes every time the phone rings and it's me on the other end.
Quote from: hemigeno on October 26, 2011, 01:37:02 PM
For what it's worth, for about 3-4 years now Troy P. and I have been gradually developing a Daytona Registry that will allow users to search the respective Shipping & Dealer Invoice list for certain cars, sort through registered cars for certain option combinations (no publication of owner's names, etc.), and a bunch of other cool features. It's obviously been in the works for a long time, but hopefully someday soon we can have a roll-out of the initial website for everyone to kick around. One of the problems in developing such a thing is the more I stew on it, the more ideas I come up with. Troy probably cringes every time the phone rings and it's me on the other end.
Very much looking forward to the debut of the Daytona Registry... :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on October 26, 2011, 02:17:04 PM
Quote from: hemigeno on October 26, 2011, 01:37:02 PM
For what it's worth, for about 3-4 years now Troy P. and I have been gradually developing a Daytona Registry that will allow users to search the respective Shipping & Dealer Invoice list for certain cars, sort through registered cars for certain option combinations (no publication of owner's names, etc.), and a bunch of other cool features. It's obviously been in the works for a long time, but hopefully someday soon we can have a roll-out of the initial website for everyone to kick around. One of the problems in developing such a thing is the more I stew on it, the more ideas I come up with. Troy probably cringes every time the phone rings and it's me on the other end.
Very much looking forward to the debut of the Daytona Registry... :2thumbs: :popcrn:
:o wow !! this is going to be great stuff :yesnod: :coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :cheers: :popcrn:
Quote from: hemigeno on October 26, 2011, 01:37:02 PM
As far as I know, 381550 is not a duplicate listing. #470 on the list is 381554 if I'm not mistaken.
I haven't had time to go through this thread as carefully as I'd like, but it's a good thing for multiple people to be checking and re-checking the list.
thank you for the clarification on #470. i am working solely with information gathered from old threads, and without the benefit of a ship list copy to cross-reference things. (my email address is on my profile, should someone be inclined to share it.)
your list/registry is, without doubt, far beyond the stuff i have gathered. like the masses, i look forward to its release. in the meantime, i intend to continue humoring/frazzling/occupying myself with this pet project. if nothing else, it passes some time until the registry is released.
Your doing a great job Im re going over my stuff to check and correct .Didnt know if you seen this paper stating 400 units and the 926 numbers and there ranges
Found the other page
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_1654-1.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_1655.jpg)
...funny, looking thru this old info and listings...brings up names I haven't heard of in years...I remember some of the names from 30 years ago...are they still out there, do they sill have a winged car, are they even still alive...some times it feels like time has stopped, so many of the same people in the winged car hobby
thanks, dave.
that document has always been an interesting piece of daytona history. topic #3 mentions storing the cars at "new car driveaway", which happens to be an alternate spelling of the trucking company name that was visible on the transporter in the creative industries photos. two separate things, or not? The material control manager named "LB Wiser", also mentioned in #3, would have been a fascinating interview. Has anyone ever heard his war stories? they would have been nearly as fascinating as those of the engineers.
topic #4 mentions chrysler's quality control department. with the time constraints they were under to deliver the cars, you just know that these guys were cringing at some of the work being "ok'd for shipment. it would have been a "ship it now, repair it later" nightmare. paint quality alone would have drove them nuts. i know our daytona was completely repainted just weeks after delivery, along with who knows how many others.
...my F6 was repainted when new also, paint flaked off
i've finished combing through the hundreds of threads here, and plucked all of the information from them that i could. whether it's accurate or not is anyone's guess, since i don't have a copy of either factory list to double check things against. should anyone want to email either list in the next day or two, i'm willing to continue on. otherwise, it was fun while it lasted.