As I get closer to the point in my project where I need to install the vinyl top I realize there is a lot more to it than meets the eye. I have learned that when the vinyl top is ready to go on, all of the stainless steel trim must go on shortly thereafter. This includes all of the vinyl top trim as well as the windshield and backglass mouldings.
Recently, I have seen a couple of threads asking questions about the type of fasteners used to hold these reveal mouldings in place. Since I still have questions as to which fasteners are correct, I have decided to do a bit of research and post my findings for everyone to use with the hope that anyone that can add to this, will surely do so.
Over the past few years I have taken photos of any type of fastener that I have seen on Chargers in salvage yards to ensure that when it comes time to install my stainless steel trim I do it with the proper hardware.
To get things started I have scanned a couple of pages from the 1969 Dodge Parts book.
The first is an exterior sketch of the '69 Charger with reference numbers pointing to the trim available on the car that year. The next page is a list showing the reference numbers with the corresponding part number for the trim as well as the part numbers for the appropriate fasteners. Since I am focusing on the vinyl top and the associated trim, I have not spent any time looking at the other fasteners such as the medallions, grille trim etc. That can always be added later. Next, I made a list of the fastener part numbers and sorted them two ways:
1.) Sorted by Reference Number on the Sketch
2.) Sorted by the Fastener Part Number.
I then used some photos and added some text indicating the part number for the trim as well as the part number for the fastener.
Now I realize that many of the part numbers for the fasteners are either no longer available from Mopar or may have been superseded and I also realize that there are numerous vendors out there selling trim fasteners such as these however, I have seen some of the items for sale and more often than not, I see incorrect items advertised. I am not stating that I am some sort of expert on these but some of the items I have seen do no look familiar whatsoever. Perhaps the reference photos I have taken are of cars that have had incorrect fasteners installed before they ended up in the salvage yard, hence this thread!
Here is where we could use your help. If anyone has any photos of trim fasteners, whether it be ones you purchased or ones you have taken off of your car during your project, please feel free to post them here with a description of what trim they were holding in place. That way we can figure out exactly what size trim fasteners are needed for each particular application.
I'll post what I have to get things started.
Windshield & Backglass Trim
Below is a photo of a Windshield Trim set.
There are two types of fasteners used to hold the windshield trim in place.
The larger fastener (# 6001 855) is used on the bottom windshield trim only. Looks like fiver per side.
The smaller fastener (# 6002 263) is used to hold on all of the other pieces of trim. This fastener is also used to hold the backglass trim in place.
Now, as far as the door trim goes, this is where I might need some help as the manual shows six different fasteners holding that long stainless steel strip in place.
I have included a photo of one I saw on a '68 but I am unsure as to which part number it is.
The long stainless steel strip that runs along the sail panel, covering the bottom of the vinyl top has also got me asking a few questions.
Attached are a few photos I have of what I think is the proper fastener holding the end in place, but I am unsure of the other type of clips.
The trim under the quarter glass also uses a "J" nut, but I am unsure of what it looks like. Attached is a photo of the screws.
The checkmarks seem pretty straighforward - three nuts holding them in place. Anyone have a photo of the nut with the seal?
Wow! Shakey,
I'm impressed thats alot of good info you have there and good timing,i was at the body shop on friday and we were trying to figure out where the window clips fit on the back window.
Thanks again
Here's what I have for the trim clips on the top of the door on my 68. There are 7 push-in style clips, with the 3 larger ones being the same and four others that get progressively smaller toward the front of the door, which would account for 5 different part numbers. None of the 68 doors that have seen have the rear trim clip with the nut on the bottom, so that might be something that was added later in 68 or 69, and would account for the 6th part number.
Here's the nut on the check molding, maybe what they mean by "seal" is the white foam gasket around the stud or maybe that they packed the speed nut full of black butyl before they put it on the stud.
and here's the j-nuts for the belt molding under the quarter windows.
And here's what I have for the long stainless steel vinyl top moldings. 3 of the push-in style at the front end of the molding and 2 of the stud/nut style in the rear on each side of the car. The one in the pic with the stud is a new aftermarket part.
Hey Dennis - thanks for your input and photos. They will definitely help myself and others when trying to find the proper fasteners.
Case in point.
There is a seller on e-bay that has a bunch of fastener kits for sale and without knowing exactly what one is looking for, well this could lead to purchasing items that simply don't work.
Attached are two photos.
The first is a vinyl top trim kit, which looks correct to me other than the fact the seals are not included and there looks as though there may be one extra push in type clip. No big deal.
However, the second photo shows the top of door and quarter trim kit, which doesn't look correct to me.
Any more input is appreciated folks.
Thanks in advance.
Great write up Mike :cheers:
That lower kit for the door moldings doesnt look right. The clips are definaltely like the ones Dennis posted....progressively smaller towards he front.
It is possiblle that the weird looking spring type clips can be made to work for the smaller part of the trim though....
I havn't taken my car apart so can't contribute but was thinking that if a vendor(s) could be identified that have the correct parts and/or kits, it would be nice to know who they are along with their catalog or item/part number. That way, we could all immediately order the correct fasteners and along with printouts of this thread, have the parts and info we all need to restore our cars. In fact, that is more or less what I have been doing for some time. I follow the threads and when there is a concensus on something, I usually order that item right away and check it off my never ending list.
Shakey - did you every find someone on ebay who had the correct upper door stainless fastners? Going to be getting to this part of my car soon and would like to have the right kit!
Also, I did some searching online and found this place with a pretty good catalog (even has some chrysler number replacements)
http://www.hillcofasteners.com/
Right around page 135 here they have the types of clips show below. No sealer, but a bunch of different sizes. If you could measure the ones you have, you could probably match them up.
http://www.hillcofasteners.com/pdf/05_P81-P150.pdf
If you could give me the measurements I could check as well.
thanks again!
Does anyone have a copy of that B-body fasteners book? And how accurate is it?
Yo Bull! :wave:
Quote from: Shakey on January 30, 2008, 06:17:59 PM
Yo Bull! :wave:
Oh, hi! Fancy meeting you here. :icon_smile_blackeye: This thread is OCD central. :yesnod: And very helpful. Thanks!
Bump to the top for that other guy that was asking about chrome trim.
I have the B-body fastener book, but did not see anything on these. I will look again though. Anyone find a nice kit for the top of door trim? Has anyone found the foam pieces that are on the originals? Were these the seals? If not, what is everyone using to seal the fasteners?
Seal the fastners.....I just got the car back from getting the vinyl top on and for what they charged me they better of sealled them.
:popcrn: Good stuff here.
Still nothing out there as far as repro J-nuts as far as I can tell. I got a couple used ones but I still email some of these fastener places asking about the possibility of them being reproduced. I'm waiting to hear back from one place as we speak.
Great thread Mike.
So exactly how many 6002263 clips were used for the rear window?
Any for the front windshield...how many 6002263 and how many 6001855 are needed?
I see the Totally Auto clip set for 68-70 Charger Front Windshield includes 2 short but wide clips that haven't been referenced in this thread...another Totally Auto goof up?
Anyone?
Quote from: Dodge Don on February 28, 2009, 07:15:23 AM
Great thread Mike.
So exactly how many 6002263 clips were used for the rear window?
Any for the front windshield...how many 6002263 and how many 6001855 are needed?
I see the Totally Auto clip set for 68-70 Charger Front Windshield includes 2 short but wide clips that haven't been referenced in this thread...another Totally Auto goof up?
Still looking for an answer on this. :brickwall:
Quote from: Dodge Don on March 27, 2009, 01:46:09 PM
Quote from: Dodge Don on February 28, 2009, 07:15:23 AM
Great thread Mike.
So exactly how many 6002263 clips were used for the rear window?
Any for the front windshield...how many 6002263 and how many 6001855 are needed?
I see the Totally Auto clip set for 68-70 Charger Front Windshield includes 2 short but wide clips that haven't been referenced in this thread...another Totally Auto goof up?
Still looking for an answer on this. :brickwall:
Hi Don,
Your answers to your first two questions are in the first post re: Excel screen shots.
Sorry I don't have an answer about the two oddball clips.
Great info.
Thank you,
Quote from: Dennis K on January 30, 2007, 06:14:25 PM
and here's the j-nuts for the belt molding under the quarter windows.
Can any one help me out on were to get j-nuts things as i have none
thank you
Quote from: dodgey68 on March 31, 2009, 06:11:25 PM
Quote from: Dennis K on January 30, 2007, 06:14:25 PM
and here's the j-nuts for the belt molding under the quarter windows.
Can any one help me out on were to get j-nuts things as i have none
thank you
http://www.rtspecialties.net/
Quote from: NOT Just 6T9 CHGR on March 31, 2009, 07:05:40 PM
Quote from: dodgey68 on March 31, 2009, 06:11:25 PM
Quote from: Dennis K on January 30, 2007, 06:14:25 PM
and here's the j-nuts for the belt molding under the quarter windows.
Can any one help me out on were to get j-nuts things as i have none
thank you
http://www.rtspecialties.net/
Chris, did you actually see the j-nut on that site somewhere or are you just throwing it out as a possible source?
Didn't actually see it.....maybe call him up?
A bump from the archives as promised
Upper Door Trim clips
THanks Shakey !!! now if i can find them , i will keep looking.
Does anyone have the measurements for these clips ?
Restoration Specialties can help me out but they want the dimensions
Thank you,Pat
All the spring clips are 3/4" wide
Red 7/8, yellow 13/16, black 11/16, Brown 5/8, green 9/16
I hope this helps
Pat
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/kurts68fastback/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5laatxoj.jpeg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/kurts68fastback/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5laatxoj.jpeg.html)
This is just what I need..great reference !
Thank you for taking the time to post!
Cheers,Pat
Sticky? Bookmark....whatever its called.
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Keep in mind when replacing the front windshield reveal molding clips that the early 68 cars used a different style lower clip for the two pieces of trim attached to the cowl. They are much taller and thus sit lower down into the recessed area. I believe that the transition period would have been probably in the January '68 time frame. This taller clip was used on the 66 and 67 B-Bodies. Also, in 1970, the four clips that are on the A-pillar were changed to a shorter profile. The profile that had been used up to that time will work as the difference is next to nothing. Nobody to my knowledge has ever reproduced the smaller clip as it was only used for the one year period and only used in a small amount and the other clips would work without the expense of tooling up for an additional clip. As for as anyone making a really correct clip kit for almost any of these applications, you will not find it out there. What you do find is that they have found something that may or may not work. You can possibly get them to work, but they will take some tweaking. We buy up all of the obsolete clips as we find them. Just because something looks close, does not mean that it will work. Always check the swap meets for boxes of old clips as you never know what you may find. And if all else fails, it may come down to modifying something that will work with some fabricating.
Any updates on these door moulding clips? I broke several when i removed the moulding (rusty).... RTSpecialties only have B-Body except Charger, and I cannot find anyting on MegaParts.
I bought a complete set of window clips for my 68 Charger. The lower windshield clips didn't match. I had to get the windshield lower clips for a 1967 Charger. My 68 was built Dec 67.
Hi all,
Really need help on this.
I just bought the rear taillight panel trim pieces, the trim piece that goes under trunk lid, and the 2 pieces that go curve down. My car did not have those pieces, I guess holes were covered when car was painted sometime ago.
-I need to know what screws are used on the trunk lid trim piece, so I can make holes and use correct screws.
-The 2 side pieces, I know they use No 8 screws, No 10 were to big, didn't fit through. Are black oxide screws used on those since that part of the trim is painted black? Each trim piece has a "tab", which I gotta make a hole on panel so it can go though. Question, once those tabs go through panel, some sort of clips are used to hold piece in?
For those who worked with those trim pieces, please get back to me, really need this help!
Thank you,
Billy
Here are pictures of the pieces.
Does anyone know, or can someone check on their cars for me?
Thank you!
(http://i68.tinypic.com/i1ek92.jpg)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/ngsyf4.jpg)
The tab on the corner piece hook into the end of the long piece that goes across the back edge of trunk opening
The pointy stubs that stick off of the curved trim pieces have palnuts attached to them from inside the trunk, they cut their own threads on the first install, also called speed nuts. Any local parts house should have them.
(http://www.boltproducts.com/images/tinnerman/cwasgst.jpg)
The long stainless piece that goes across the trunk opening is held on with the same screws as the wheel opening moldings I believe.
Thank you! I just have to figure out making precise holes on the rear panel.
Quote from: BLK 68 R/T on January 10, 2017, 10:43:34 AM
The pointy stubs that stick off of the curved trim pieces have palnuts attached to them from inside the trunk, they cut their own threads on the first install, also called speed nuts. Any local parts house should have them.
(http://www.boltproducts.com/images/tinnerman/cwasgst.jpg)
The long stainless piece that goes across the trunk opening is held on with the same screws as the wheel opening moldings I believe.
Where can I get these ASAP????
Quote from: keepat on December 04, 2015, 06:56:49 PM
All the spring clips are 3/4" wide
Red 7/8, yellow 13/16, black 11/16, Brown 5/8, green 9/16
I hope this helps
Pat
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/kurts68fastback/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5laatxoj.jpeg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/kurts68fastback/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5laatxoj.jpeg.html)
Quote from: chargerkid01 on April 03, 2017, 04:54:45 PM
Where can I get these ASAP????
Quote from: keepat on December 04, 2015, 06:56:49 PM
All the spring clips are 3/4" wide
Red 7/8, yellow 13/16, black 11/16, Brown 5/8, green 9/16
I hope this helps
Pat
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/kurts68fastback/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5laatxoj.jpeg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/kurts68fastback/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5laatxoj.jpeg.html)
Try here:
http://www.restorationspecialties.com/
Quote from: Shakey on June 02, 2015, 08:42:38 AM
Upper Door Trim clips
Good place to find these?
Thanks
Quote from: chargerkid01 on April 03, 2017, 04:54:45 PM
Where can I get these ASAP????
Quote from: keepat on December 04, 2015, 06:56:49 PM
All the spring clips are 3/4" wide
Red 7/8, yellow 13/16, black 11/16, Brown 5/8, green 9/16
I hope this helps
Pat
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/kurts68fastback/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5laatxoj.jpeg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/kurts68fastback/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5laatxoj.jpeg.html)
Did anyone have any luck finding these clips?
Quote from: 1batt4u on January 09, 2017, 11:40:14 PM
Here are pictures of the pieces.
Does anyone know, or can someone check on their cars for me?
Thank you!
(http://i68.tinypic.com/i1ek92.jpg)
I'm late to the show on this but just wanted to add the screws for this trim. Also fit the wheel well trim. From Rock Auto....
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=586350&jsn=1
Quote from: keepat on December 04, 2015, 06:56:49 PM
All the spring clips are 3/4" wide
Red 7/8, yellow 13/16, black 11/16, Brown 5/8, green 9/16
I hope this helps
Pat
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/kurts68fastback/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5laatxoj.jpeg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/kurts68fastback/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5laatxoj.jpeg.html)
Did anyone find a supplier for these door trim clips?
Any luck on finding those two retainer clips that are held by those little nuts for the rear of the door trim? One per side. I have been scouring the net all morning. AMK come close but not close enough. Might just have to make something up???
Took me abit, but I found some. See if they have any in stock.
I had no luck at all. I made a few but when I used them I put dimples in the stainless.... more work!
Posting a link to the long J nuts that hold the rear quarter stainless trim. Credit goes to ChargerRT69 for the link :2thumbs:
B-BODY QTR PANEL BELT TRIM LONG J CLIP
SOLD AS A SET OF 8 CLIPS AND SCREWS
http://www.rtspecialties.net/proddetail.asp?prod=6026552
Discussion around the clips as well.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,132042.0.html
Thanks BLK 68 R/T!
Hope it helps someone out!
Quote from: BLK 68 R/T on April 06, 2019, 10:52:51 AM
Posting a link to the long J nuts that hold the rear quarter stainless trim. Credit goes to ChargerRT69 for the link :2thumbs:
B-BODY QTR PANEL BELT TRIM LONG J CLIP
SOLD AS A SET OF 8 CLIPS AND SCREWS
http://www.rtspecialties.net/proddetail.asp?prod=6026552
Discussion around the clips as well.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,132042.0.html
For anyone needing top off door trim clips Vans auto is now carrying reproductions the ends clips do not look like originals but will work and they are not cheap they are $75 for a set to cover both doors. They carry them for 68 and 69-70 (I didn't know there was a difference).
THANKS dogpro!
here is the link
https://vansauto.com/product/beltline-door-trim-clips-1968-1969-charger-chbclp6970/