Here's a link to some progress pics. Car is in paint now.
https://www.bigirongarage.com/1969-dodge-charger-daytona-dc-93
Car is being done period correct with no reproduction sheet metal or parts.
Ray Evernham also puts progress info on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram.
Greg,
Thanks for the link with pictures!
Can't wait to see it done.
I know you took your time and put a lot of the original details in the build.
MJ
SWEET! Thanks for posting! :drool5:
Ray has done some nice little videos and shared pics of the resto as it has moved along. I think he is genuinely excited about the project.
Nice one Greg!
The end is in sight for you and #88... :drool5: :cheers: :2thumbs:
Wonderful to see all your hard work coming together with the completion of #88! :pity:
Nice one Greg! :cheers: :popcrn: :drool5:
Thanks guys!
Here's a few pics...
The left side fender scoop had warped over the years it sat in the woods
behind Don white's race shop in Keokuk, Iowa.
Must get pretty hot in the summer to bend thermoplast.
It was fixed, though, to look like new!
Had to save it because race scoops are a little taller than production scoops.
Would have been easier to replace it with a modified original Daytona scoop, but that's not how you restore a car, IMO.
The entire 200 mph front end was saved.
The original trunk hinges were drilled out by Chrysler Engineering race mechanics Fred Schrandt and Larry Knowlton.
Those were not to be found at Don's Shop.
I got a pair of original Charger 500 hinges and drilled them out.
Found out that the 500 hinges have details that Daytona hinges do not!
I have respect for anyone that drills out car parts to save weight!
Labor intensive, for sure.
Here you can easily see the extra height of the fender scoops.
Looks great Greg.. :2thumbs:
Quote from: aerolith on February 16, 2020, 05:22:12 AM
Nice one Greg!
The end is in sight for you and #88... :drool5: :cheers: :2thumbs:
Is that truly #88 sitting as it was found in Iowa!? :o
:2thumbs:
I remember some of the magazine mentioned details, but can "we" get a cliff notes post-Daytona history lesson on the #88 car in this thread?
Quote from: Birdflu on February 17, 2020, 11:11:27 AM
Quote from: aerolith on February 16, 2020, 05:22:12 AM
Nice one Greg!
The end is in sight for you and #88... :drool5: :cheers: :2thumbs:
Is that truly #88 sitting as it was found in Iowa!? :o
I'm sure Greg will answer this, but I think its cool that it looks like a wiper blade and arm on the driver side.
These cars ran on dirt too!
looking good ! awesome ! :2thumbs: :popcrn:
WOW Greg, those hinges have sure changed.
Nice! :2thumbs:
looks better in the #5 Don White livery,,IMO ,,#my 2 cents IMO . looks like Maxwell Smart in drivers seat ???
Quote from: Birdflu on February 17, 2020, 11:11:27 AM
Quote from: aerolith on February 16, 2020, 05:22:12 AM
Nice one Greg!
The end is in sight for you and #88... :drool5: :cheers: :2thumbs:
Is that truly #88 sitting as it was found in Iowa!? :o
Yes. https://www.allpar.com/racing/NASCAR/daytona-development.html
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on February 17, 2020, 08:37:18 PM
WOW Greg, those hinges have sure changed.
Told you I'd put them to good use! :cheers:
Quote from: sccachallenger on February 17, 2020, 07:31:01 PM
Quote from: Birdflu on February 17, 2020, 11:11:27 AM
Quote from: aerolith on February 16, 2020, 05:22:12 AM
Nice one Greg!
The end is in sight for you and #88... :drool5: :cheers: :2thumbs:
Is that truly #88 sitting as it was found in Iowa!? :o
I'm sure Greg will answer this, but I think its cool that it looks like a wiper blade and arm on the driver side.
These cars ran on dirt too!
Yes, Don installed a wiper on the car for dirt tracking! The car won at least 4 races after Chrysler owned it.
A lot of old racers started life as something special and worked their way down from there!
Undoing the modifications that Don made was a challenge. The car will be as it ran on March 24th., 1970.
One of the cool things was finding a numbers matching and documented 426 race hemi short block assembly that actually was in the car,
February, 1969. That's the engine that will be in the car soon. Heads were done to 1970 Nascar specs by Tom Tignenelli.
Tom worked in the "Motor Room", as it was known, at Chrysler's Highland Park Engineering.
Tom also drove the 68 Barracuda Super Stock mule car during testing and built the "UFO" drag car with his brother. Great guy!
Quote from: odcics2 on February 18, 2020, 11:27:06 AM
Quote from: Birdflu on February 17, 2020, 11:11:27 AM
Quote from: aerolith on February 16, 2020, 05:22:12 AM
Nice one Greg!
The end is in sight for you and #88... :drool5: :cheers: :2thumbs:
Is that truly #88 sitting as it was found in Iowa!? :o
Yes. https://www.allpar.com/racing/NASCAR/daytona-development.html
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Gotta just love them old Goodyears!
They is so tall and fat they go almost to the top of the fender... :rofl:
Funny how this #88 doesn't have modified rear fenders like Don's car? :scratchchin: :slap: :smilielol:
Nearly there Greg!
Will you be bringing 'the REAL #88' to a rainy Goodwood UK sometime in the near future??? :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
If you do can I drive her up the Goodwood hill PLEASE!!! :drive: :drive: :drive:
Promise I will take it easy this time unlike I did in Dales car... :D ::) :rotz:
Quote from: aerolith on February 19, 2020, 06:23:26 AM
Gotta just love them old Goodyears!
They is so tall and fat they go almost to the top of the fender... :rofl:
Funny how this #88 doesn't have modified rear fenders like Don's car? :scratchchin: :slap: :smilielol:
It was a challenge to get the rear 1/4 panels flared correctly. They get pulled out sideways and
down in front of the rear tire. Fortunately, there are various pics of the 200 run
out there. We found that the angle of viewing the old pics versus the exact car angle was IMPORTANT.
It can be seen that the "Fake 88" has no flare in front of the rear tire.
Don had pulled the top of the rear tire opening out, for easier tire changes under race conditions.
For the 200 run, both the front and rear tire openings were tight. Take a look at my avatar.
Getting the gas cap and vent on top of the quarter panel was another exercise in looking at the angles of the
vintage photo versus the car in person. Don used a home made fuel cap, covering the entire filler tube.
When the car ran 200, it used a conventional cap, with an additional piece of metal welded to the ears.
Same for the typical Nichels vent on the top of the 1/4 panel. All about the angle of viewing.
Notice the "Fake 88" filler tube location and the fuel cell vent comes out the back tail panel.
A seldom seen shot of the car in its initial race configuration at the 1969 Daytona 500. By the time the car set the record at Talladega, it had well over a year of development and improvement. Figuring the total cost to Chrysler it is easily the most expensive race Daytona ever built.
What an awesome project!!!
Quote from: odcics2 on February 18, 2020, 11:27:06 AM
Quote from: Birdflu on February 17, 2020, 11:11:27 AM
Quote from: aerolith on February 16, 2020, 05:22:12 AM
Nice one Greg!
The end is in sight for you and #88... :drool5: :cheers: :2thumbs:
Is that truly #88 sitting as it was found in Iowa!? :o
Yes. https://www.allpar.com/racing/NASCAR/daytona-development.html
So COOL! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Update on BIG facebook and instagram.
This one?
Two more
Looking good, can't wait to see it in paint.
Nice progress!
MJ
Looking good. How long before you surpass Troy?
;)
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on March 10, 2020, 06:39:21 PM
Looking good. How long before you surpass Troy?
;)
In what way ? :shruggy:
What do guys use to keep brake drums looking 'natural' ?
That's a drum and a half!
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on March 12, 2020, 02:07:51 PM
That's a drum and a half!
Belated birthday present for you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO17hN-YvBc
:lol:
Quote from: odcics2 on March 12, 2020, 12:20:19 PM
What do guys use to keep brake drums looking 'natural' ?
calyx metal dressing works.
We use Calyx in the shop also.
I've been following along on IG/Facebook, what a cool build and neat to know it's happening just up the road from me. I hope Ray brings this one out to the Americarna show and some other local shows so I can check it out in person. Awesome work by everyone involved!
I'll look into Calyx. Thanks for the tip.
:cheers:
Both cars too significant to rush. I guess you could say that about all cars but I'm glad both of you are doing it the way you are.
May pass by Troy... :scratchchin:
DC-93 in the hands of Don White at Kaukauna Wisconsin, May 23, 1971. This was its first pavement start of the season, the first two races being on dirt.
Quote from: Aero426 on April 05, 2020, 11:55:42 AM
DC-93 in the hands of Don White at Kaukauna Wisconsin, May 23, 1971. This was its first pavement start of the season, the first two races being on dirt.
Nice pic, Doug.
Thanks for posting it.
:coolgleamA: :popcrn:
Quote from: odcics2 on March 12, 2020, 12:20:19 PM
What do guys use to keep brake drums looking 'natural' ?
USE GLISTEN PC BY POR- 15 it is totally awesome. coat any bead blasted part or any polished metals that will tarnish like copper or brass etc. I coated polished copper finials on my house 20 years ago and it still looks new it actually gets harder w rain hitting it. I also did a bead blasted aluminum dual quad 440 high rise intake and it looks great! 20 years ago. this stuff is amazing u can brush or spray it on. takes a day to set up so use it in a dust free place.
:cheers:
Thanks!!
:yesnod:
:2thumbs: :yesnod:
Looks awesome, great progress!
I used Eastwood "Brake Gray" rattle can paint on my drums/calipers and I really like the look:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49805691403_68d26370e9_z.jpg)
It's resistant to DOT 3 fluid and good to 400deg F but I don't have any personal durability reference since my car isn't on the road just yet.
https://www.eastwood.com/eastwood-brake-gray-aerosol.html
Does Big Iron ever do any open houses? I know Ray brings a good selection out to his November show at Ingersoll but wasn't sure if he did any public open events etc. He's got such a killer collection it'd be awesome to check out! :drool5:
I used evaporust, painted the red "road wheel" area of the face and then cleared them.
Good idea. Guess you'll find out if the clear holds up after a hot run!
Just curious on the race car when they joint the nose to the fenders and level it all off
Do they do the same for the dreaded rear lower valance corners ?
Not on the 88.
I don't believe that they did it back on the day on any Chargers.
Quote from: odcics2 on April 22, 2020, 10:35:07 AM
:yesnod:
That looks awesome! Congrat's on the great progress...
Any updates?
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on May 25, 2020, 04:08:28 AM
Any updates?
Spent some time trying to get the paint correct.
Same color, different brands, look different when sprayed out!
Got it all straightened out, including the sheen of the interior.
The interiors were not glossy!!! If you see a race Daytona, or SuperBird with a glossy interior, it's just plain wrong. :Twocents:
Hi Greg,
Wonderful work on a piece of Mopar History!!! :2thumbs:
I was watching a program from Bristol UK where the original Concorde is housed. :'(
Your picture of the #88 reminds of that beautiful Aircraft, sleek and purposeful lol...
ALL BUSINESS. :drive: :drive: :drive: :drive: :drive: :drive: :drive: :drive: :drive: :drive: NO FAFF :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Quote from: aerolith on May 26, 2020, 07:00:40 AM
Your picture of the #88 reminds of that beautiful Aircraft, sleek and purposeful lol...
But the Concorde crashed and burned. :eek2:
A very sad day indeed Mr. dirty-turbine.
Not Concorde's fault, it was just very unlucky that some plonker badly repaired another aircraft and the pop riveted piece fell off, and the rest is history! :brickwall:
A good friend of mine a 'Pontiac guy' was the parts handler for the Concorde maintenance at Heathrow.
The cost of maintaining a 40 year old supersonic jet, was nearly as expensive as maintaining a 50 year old Hemi car... :slap: :smilielol: :2thumbs:
Getting color on the chassis.
DC-93 on the dirt at the Indiana State Fairgrounds mile in August 1971. Curiously, Don does not appear in the qualifying or race results for this event. He may have had a mechanical issue and been a DNS.
Interior. Only car with square fuel line tube to hold data acquisition equipment for testing.
It also adds some strength to chassis. The sheen of the paint is the same as it is under the chassis: dull.
That's correct for a Nichels built Mopar stock car.
Putting glass back in the car for the Petty Blue outer coat of paint.
1/4 glass bolts in using modified production parts. Front glass rolls up/down.
Car was B-7 first, then painted Petty Blue the first week of September, 1969, prior to sitting on the pole for the first Talladega 500 race.
Ran 199.446 mph, setting another World Record, with Charlie Glotzbach driving.
NICE!
Greg,
It looks great with the body work done and some color on it! WOW!
MJ
Great stuff Greg, when do them Dzus fasteners go on?!! :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
:o :dance: wow ! looks awesome ..... :yesnod: :popcrn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdwhM5xB-8Y :patriot:
That car is looking AMAZING in color! keep up the progress posts! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
There is light at the end of the (wind) tunnel. :yesnod:
Awesome, Greg. :drool5:
Thanks guys!
:cheers:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on May 27, 2020, 10:11:23 AM
Quote from: aerolith on May 26, 2020, 07:00:40 AM
Your picture of the #88 reminds of that beautiful Aircraft, sleek and purposeful lol...
But the Concorde crashed and burned. :eek2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp45IWv0raw
Should have the restoration featured on some sort of video or TV show like Americarna. Would love to see the whole build from start to finish.
Quote from: Stevetona on June 07, 2020, 04:38:04 PM
Should have the restoration featured on some sort of video or TV show like Americarna. Would love to see the whole build from start to finish.
:iagree:
Glass installed.
Left door split around cage bars.
Right is one piece.
The first people to have to figure out this glass install and split door shell since 1970. Looks great.
Is there significance to the dent in the door bar? Is it known when it occurred?
Quote from: Aero426 on June 11, 2020, 10:54:57 AM
Is there significance to the dent in the door bar? Is it known when it occurred?
Most likely a Don White addition to the car. Maybe the 1971 scuffle with Butch Hartman.
If it happened when Chrysler still owned it, most likely it would have been repaired.
Just part of the car's history.
Quote from: odcics2 on June 11, 2020, 12:43:45 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on June 11, 2020, 10:54:57 AM
Is there significance to the dent in the door bar? Is it known when it occurred?
Most likely a Don White addition to the car. Maybe the 1971 scuffle with Butch Hartman.
If it happened when Chrysler still owned it, most likely it would have been repaired.
Just part of the car's history.
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
:drool5: :2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :popcrn:
May 22, 1971
A few more pics. The "removable cowl" section appeared on the car during the winter of 69.
So much development work had gone on that the original cowl was weak, hence an added cowl section was made and installed.
The insert you see in the cowl gets the air to the hemi in the most efficient manner! Other cars were given "updated cowl inserts" to retrofit into the existing box shaped air intake. When the car gets the Petty Blue, this insert of DC-93 gets painted. It was the final design and permanent.
The removable cowl and insert was on the car for the 200 run. In some pics, the 4 outboard fasteners can be seen under the base of the windshield.
Tail stripe was laid down differently on each side.
Fred Schrandt did one, Larry Knowlton, the other.
WOW!!! AMAZING !!!!
HISTORY, rarely, if ever looks so SEXY!!!!!!
Reading over this thred, is some of the best automotive porn, I have read in a while!!!!
Keep up excellent work!
Looking great !!!! :cheers:
Oh my! Keep sending pic's! :o :drool5:
Thanks guys...
Keep tuned in!
:cheers:
Totally groovy, gnarly, Greg. :lol:
Originally, DC-93 had the stripes applied in late June, 1969.
Wing was body color for the first test at Chelsea, July 13th.
Second test July 20th had the wing painted white.
Wing was painted on the car, covering the hand cut gaskets.
OMG Greg!
Bee Seven is just truly wonderful when its fresh!!! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Hopefully 'one day' when Corona is finally over, I can come and meet you and your wonderful, yes truly magnificent Daytona.
Well done Greg a 'ray of sunshine' in these dark days indeed!!! :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Maybe if I get time I will build one of these C500 racecars myself, just need to find the original body... :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Or maybe a bent nose 'LOW SPEED' DC 74 lol
DC 93 has come a LONG WAY! :pity:
Quote from: odcics2 on June 18, 2020, 06:46:07 AM
Tail stripe was laid down differently on each side.
Fred Schrandt did one, Larry Knowlton, the other.
So the Petty Blue goes on
after the tail stripe decal? It will be masked around the stripe? Seems odd, but I guess that's how it was done originally.
Here's a photo of DC-93 being tested in August 69 with Bobby Isaac driving at Daytona International Speedway.
Car was still B7.
Yes, before the first Talladega race they masked all the glass and wing/stripe and painted the car Petty Blue.
There was Petty Blue overspray on the original front and rear glass moldings which confirmed the glass was left in.
Quote from: aerolith on June 21, 2020, 03:40:00 AM
OMG Greg!
Bee Seven is just truly wonderful when its fresh!!! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Hopefully 'one day' when Corona is finally over, I can come and meet you and your wonderful, yes truly magnificent Daytona.
Well done Greg a 'ray of sunshine' in these dark days indeed!!! :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Maybe if I get time I will build one of these C500 racecars myself, just need to find the original body... :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Thanks John! Hope all is well in jolly ol' England!
All the glass is in. Now ready for masking and "petty blue" paint.
The paint is being matched from the original left headlight door that Don White
had kept, perfectly intact. My buddy Scott found a box at Don's Shop with original parts in it.
Stuff like the headlight door, seat headrest, battery hold down/dry sump bracket, etc.
The door is a little bit lighter than current out of the can "Petty Blue" mixes.
You'd have to have samples side by side to tell. But, why not do it exact?? :2thumbs:
Hey, maybe the current Petty Blue mixes are wrong?? :shruggy:
Greg, was there ever an explanation for why the color was changed to 999 back in 1969?
:coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Quote from: Aero426 on July 02, 2020, 11:52:36 AM
Greg, was there ever an explanation for why the color was changed to 999 back in 1969?
Not that I know about.
The car is looking absolutely fantastic Greg (for a Dodge ;D). Your dedication, patience, and attention to detail in this restoration have been second to none.
I know Larry, George, Bill and the rest of the group would be very happy with how the car is progressing. It's such a significant part of the legacy left by an exceptional group of Chrysler engineers, working during an extraordinary era in NASCAR.
Quote from: ae8i on July 06, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
The car is looking absolutely fantastic Greg (for a Dodge ;D). Your dedication, patience, and attention to detail in this restoration have been second to none.
I know Larry, George, Bill and the rest of the group would be very happy with how the car is progressing. It's such a significant part of the legacy left by an exceptional group of Chrysler engineers, working during an extraordinary era in NASCAR.
Thanks, Ken. One way to do it. Right! No corners cut, no expense spared! (did I mention I am broke?)
Quote(did I mention I am broke?)
No problem, just fall back on your charm, intellect and good looks. ;)
I possess just one of those three, and it has served me well for decades.
Looks great - and I'm impressed with the sleuthing and attention to all the little details. :cheers:
Seldom seen pic of a race Daytona: under the nose.
The #88 is flush back to the K frame. Straight across, tire to tire.
Rathgeb said this was VERY important to lower the aero numbers on the race cars.
And yes, the car is "petty blue" now. Notice it's dull under the cone, just like unbuffed lacquer
would appear.
OMG Greg, your attention to detail is staggering! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
As my dad always said 'if a jobs worth doing, its worth doing WELL''... :pity:
Mostly folks don't start jobs like this, cos they know they can't finish them... :rotz:
I've started plenty of tough jobs and finished very few...
My rocky 'ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTION'...
I'm still thinking about building a 500-Nascar clone and I'm selling my 'real' C500 to pay the mortgage.
Life can be so cruel to us dreamy WANNABEE'S... :slap: :smilielol: :eek2:
Red and Gold is Coolio but blue is nicer, maybe???
John - Thanks for the kind words! Wait till you see the numbers matching engine detailed out...
The Petty Blue over the B7 makes the word DAYTONA now appear black, when in reality it's B7.
Greg...that looks amazing! You are not only bringing back an icon for the Aero car world, but will also be the envy of many! Great job!
Quote from: odcics2 on July 12, 2020, 10:22:07 AM
The Petty Blue over the B7 makes the word DAYTONA now appear black, when in reality it's B7.
WOW!
Who is going to try and duplicate the 200 MPH run?
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on July 12, 2020, 09:24:01 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on July 12, 2020, 10:22:07 AM
The Petty Blue over the B7 makes the word DAYTONA now appear black, when in reality it's B7.
WOW!
Who is going to try and duplicate the 200 MPH run?
MJ
Have to wait and see! :coolgleamA:
Notice from this angle the bottom of the car.
Nothing hangs below the rocker panels in front, just part of the torsion bar anchors.
Look at a production B Body and see how much was changed for a Nascar stock car built in late 1968.
fender views.
Getting closer...
:2thumbs: looks good nice work
Quote from: odcics2 on August 21, 2020, 06:54:45 PM
Getting closer...
:dance: wow ! Awesome :coolgleamA: :popcrn:
I have a pretty large vocabulary but all I can come up with is WOW!!! That's probably because HOLYSH#$% would get me in trouble ::)
This car is just amazing.
Thank you for taking this project on. I can't imagine the sacrifice you have and probably are continuing to have in bringing this car back to life.
Thanks for the kind words, guys. :cheers:
Here's a pic of the original lanyards.
I think they have been duplicated pretty close, if not exact.
You can see the splitter behind the grill.
Also, the frame was mounted upside down.
Vintage pics confirm and the holes in the nose lined up with the frame inverted.
Lining up the original stainless steel headers and NOS dumps.
The "empty" tag is a nice touch.
Yes, vintage tag, too!
Note the clearance between the left header and the 1.6" diameter, 37" long torsion bar.
1,270 pounds per inch rate. "C" body hexes used.
Same bars on both sides.
First time in this post for a long time....Incredible job, well done :2thumbs: Keep up the good work :cheers:
Dunk
Such awesome work, I'm loving all the updates. Is the goal to have this ready for the Americarna show in November, assuming it still goes on? I'd loosely had that show in the back of my mind as the first for my car and it'd be awesome to see the Daytona in person.
The show is cancelled.
Chrysler Engineering engine EX-144. It was in the car Feb. 1969.
I'd think a 50 year old race car with a numbers matching engine would be rare.
Awesome job! :2thumbs:
Unreal, Greg. Way, way cool!
incredible :bow: seeing this car like this after all this time & getting that hemi motor awesome ! :drool5: cant wait to see it finished ! & hear it fire up :dance:
got goose bumps already ;) :yesnod:
:2thumbs:
Thanks Steve!!
Here's what's meant by fender droop.
Fender drops above the wheel, going forward.
#88 fender versus a production line fender. I lined them up, as you can see.
Oddly enough, there are no cut and weld marks on the drooped part.
Maybe something that Nichels Engineering tweaked from a skin?
Wow, that's quite a difference.
Bud Moore was doing drop snout cars in Trans Am. Maybe Dodge was doing custom fender stampings for their teams?
The high end Nichels Engineering stock cars had some carpeting in them.
The door carpeting was easy to redo. The original snap holes were there in the side bars of the cage.
Floor carpeting was done using vintage pics. Don had modified the pans and then Iowa rain did its thing from 1976 until 1998.
Any updates?
:popcrn: :drool5: :popcrn:
Quote from: Brutalowner on December 19, 2020, 10:06:54 AM
Any updates?
:popcrn: :drool5: :popcrn:
PM me your email and I'll send you a video.
:o :popcrn:
Someone say video??? :o
Quote from: Birdflu on December 21, 2020, 12:41:46 PM
Someone say video??? :o
Here's a video from Bangshift.com today - Likely not the same video, but the same car!
https://bangshift.com/general-news/videos/watch-buddy-baker-break-the-200mph-barrier-on-a-closed-course-in-a-hemi-daytona-charger-circa-1970-screaming-elephant-at-talladega/
:coolgleamA: :yesnod: :dance: :drive: :yesnod:
:dance::popcrn: :coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Greg, this your finished car going to auction?
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0521-462053/1969-dodge-hemi-daytona-race-car/
Yes, it is.
Ray Evernham and I are partners on the car.
It came out great, in my opinion!
It truly belongs in a museum.
Quote from: Birdflu on April 11, 2021, 08:08:18 AM
Greg, this your finished car going to auction?
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0521-462053/1969-dodge-hemi-daytona-race-car/
Quote from: odcics2 on April 11, 2021, 09:03:13 AM
Yes, it is.
Ray Evernham and I are partners on the car.
It came out great, in my opinion!
It truly belongs in a museum.
:2thumbs:
Wow :o what a machine !! awesome Job !!! :dance: YES agreed belongs in a Museum ! 100 years from now, the world can be reminded when Chrysler was number one :yesnod: & see & enjoy hearing the holy grail Mopar muscle cars ! well muscle cars full stop IMO the 88# DC 93 - 69 Charger Daytona , which was also originally once a road going street 69 Charger 500 :patriot: :bow:
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what do you imagine it will go for? :scratchchin:
Probably money. :lol:
Quote from: odcics2 on April 13, 2021, 02:21:26 PM
Probably money. :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVuSYUNAekc
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 13, 2021, 06:58:40 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on April 13, 2021, 02:21:26 PM
Probably money. :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVuSYUNAekc
LOL No kidding, I have always assumed the girl singing that song was Asian.
Quote from: Golden-Arm on April 11, 2021, 08:20:59 PM
what do you imagine it will go for? :scratchchin:
(https://pics.awwmemes.com/one-hundred-million-dollars-quickmeme-com-million-dollar-memes-image-memes-50198289.png)
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Quote from: PettyMower on April 13, 2021, 08:17:05 PM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 13, 2021, 06:58:40 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on April 13, 2021, 02:21:26 PM
Probably money. :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVuSYUNAekc
LOL No kidding, I have always assumed the girl singing that song was Asian.
me too sounds like Yoko
Hopefully the bidders will.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY)
Quote from: odcics2 on April 13, 2021, 02:21:26 PM
Probably money. :lol:
damn-it, so my beanie babies and pogs aren't gonna cut it then? :RantExplode:
Read this today:
https://www.hagerty.com/media/car-profiles/the-first-charger-daytona-to-hit-200-mph-was-stolen-recovered-and-lost-again/ (https://www.hagerty.com/media/car-profiles/the-first-charger-daytona-to-hit-200-mph-was-stolen-recovered-and-lost-again/)
There's so many more things about this car which make it special (both historically and Greg K's parts/restoration) than what one article can convey, and they're off just a bit with the article's narrative. Regardless, the publicity should help generate even more interest in the auction - this car deserves it.
Quote from: hemigeno on April 22, 2021, 09:39:13 AM
Read this today:
https://www.hagerty.com/media/car-profiles/the-first-charger-daytona-to-hit-200-mph-was-stolen-recovered-and-lost-again/ (https://www.hagerty.com/media/car-profiles/the-first-charger-daytona-to-hit-200-mph-was-stolen-recovered-and-lost-again/)
There's so many more things about this car which make it special (both historically and Greg K's parts/restoration) than what one article can convey, and they're off just a bit with the article's narrative. Regardless, the publicity should help generate even more interest in the auction - this car deserves it.
:2thumbs: :popcrn:
Quote from: hemigeno on April 22, 2021, 09:39:13 AM
Read this today:
https://www.hagerty.com/media/car-profiles/the-first-charger-daytona-to-hit-200-mph-was-stolen-recovered-and-lost-again/ (https://www.hagerty.com/media/car-profiles/the-first-charger-daytona-to-hit-200-mph-was-stolen-recovered-and-lost-again/)
There's so many more things about this car which make it special (both historically and Greg K's parts/restoration) than what one article can convey, and they're off just a bit with the article's narrative. Regardless, the publicity should help generate even more interest in the auction - this car deserves it.
Thanks, Gene!
Way TOO good for a Museum, it needs to be 'OUT and ABOUT', where folks can see/hear the Mighty Mopar ROAR!
Would be the BEST Indy pace car ever...
Wellborn Daytona set the record at $900,000.
Don't know what the Rossi car made or will make?
First million dollar non HEMI-CUDA...
is the dc-93 car worth more than the petty 43? the petty car was a "no-sale" at 3.5 million, at the mecum auction. does racing win history of the 43 outweigh the "first at 200" history of dc-93? :shruggy:
(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/7wJnp/s1/richard-petty-s-race-winning-1970-superbird-didn-t-sell-for-3-5m.jpg)
an additional question would be ..... is the posted $3.5M "reserve not met" bid :scratchchin: reality
https://www.mecum.com/lots/PA0819-379965/1970-plymouth-superbird-richard-petty-nascar/
I would love to see pictures of the full restoration of the dc93 car. I'm pretty sure I saw this car in the beginning stages of the project at a shop in Michigan. Wasn't much left expect a firewall and a few tubes of the cage. Lots of work for sure.
Quote from: 69 body on April 25, 2021, 10:10:10 PM
I would love to see pictures of the full restoration of the dc93 car. I'm pretty sure I saw this car in the beginning stages of the project at a shop in Michigan. Wasn't much left expect a firewall and a few tubes of the cage. Lots of work for sure.
It's no secret that DC-93 led a VERY HARD LIFE.
Don White left it outside from 1976 to 1998, when I discovered and saved it.
He made MANY modifications that had to be undone. The original floor pans were gone, replaced by flat sheet metal by Don.
There was a lot of rust in the frame rails, especially the bottoms. He modified the trunk floor to add ballast for short track racing.
He modified the rear upper shock mounts and rear firewall.
At one point, he got in a wreck and bent the front rails. (That's where the right side door bars got tweaked)
Things were also modified to get the 1973 Charger body to fit.
LOT'S OF WORK, for sure.
On the plus side, he kept a lot of original DC-93 parts including the original entire 200 mph front end, the wing, rear plexiglass and trim, seat, axle cooler, dry sump tank, and other odds and ends like an NOS rear window plug.
I was lucky enough to find an original Highland Park Engineering built Nascar short block assy, stamped EX-144, that was in the car in February, 1969, at the Daytona 500. It's a documented and number matching engine that's in DC-93.
I'll see if I can find a few pics for you. They were "real" back then and would need to be scanned and sized.
Thanks for your interest...
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 24, 2021, 11:49:15 PM
an additional question would be ..... is the posted $3.5M "reserve not met" bid :scratchchin: reality
https://www.mecum.com/lots/PA0819-379965/1970-plymouth-superbird-richard-petty-nascar/
Agree. If the one 1971 Road Runner sold for $400k, are we to believe the Bird was legit bid to 9x that? Until the reserve is lifted, you can't take that number too seriously. My take is the Bird had an enormous reserve and was really there to fluff up the rest of the collection being offered for sale.
Quote from: 69 body on April 25, 2021, 10:10:10 PM
I would love to see pictures of the full restoration of the dc93 car. I'm pretty sure I saw this car in the beginning stages of the project at a shop in Michigan. Wasn't much left expect a firewall and a few tubes of the cage. Lots of work for sure.
At Greg's home, I saw a complete Nichels built chassis on its wheels, with Don's 1973 reskin having just been removed. I saw front frame rails, steering box, firewall, suspension, original dash with gauges, the cage with original dark blue on the sides, original rear torque boxes, rear rails and down tubes from the cage to the rear rails. Lots of work to be done. But there was a lot of car there.
Dug up a few old pics.
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 24, 2021, 11:49:15 PM
an additional question would be ..... is the posted $3.5M "reserve not met" bid :scratchchin: reality
https://www.mecum.com/lots/PA0819-379965/1970-plymouth-superbird-richard-petty-nascar/
still sitting in florida, in the sellers collection. (from the 3.5 million dollar high bid/no sale auction)
Quote from: odcics2 on April 27, 2021, 08:08:08 AM
Dug up a few old pics.
WOW! What a difference a few years and some $$$ made! Great job! :2thumbs:
Wow cool pictures. I would love to see some pictures of the restoration of the original front end and also the chassis being restored. Before and after pictures are always fun to look at.
Quote from: 69 body on May 07, 2021, 06:27:30 PM
Wow cool pictures. I would love to see some pictures of the restoration of the original front end and also the chassis being restored. Before and after pictures are always fun to look at.
Agreed. I'm sure any potential buyer (and members here) would love to see exactly what was left and what they started with after all the rust and wrong parts were removed.
Pics from the floor at Mecum. Wow, what a car! It really turned out great.
The next lucky owner will have all the fun of showing the car. It will have a ticket to any car event anywhere in the world.
Interior painted B7 as when Goldsmith drove it at Daytona in Feb 1969. The level of detail put into this car is exhaustive. It is correct down to the rivets on the tail panel.
Imagine rolling up your garage door and seeing this.
For the thousands of hours and years of work ( 8 ) and research I have into this car, it sure would be nice to get credit for it as promised. I guess it's a good thing I have 1000 pictures of it all. Can't say it didn't turn out nice.
Dumb question - why no door numbers on the driver's side?
Extraordinary job and presentation!
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on May 17, 2021, 08:07:42 PM
Dumb question - why no door numbers on the driver's side?
There was no number on the driver's door the day that the car set the record.
Quote from: 1RareBird on May 17, 2021, 07:39:33 PM
For the thousands of hours and years of work ( 8 ) and research I have into this car, it sure would be nice to get credit for it as promised. I guess it's a good thing I have 1000 pictures of it all. Can't say it didn't turn out nice.
Thank you Scott for the work you put in on the project.
Also, a shout out to Steve Atwell's shop that got the project going.
:cheers:
Car looks stunning, and the attention to detail is incredible... well done guys :notworthy:
Anybody notice the grille frame is upside down?
Yeah, that's how it was originally and that's how the NOS one
was installed.
Splitter can be seen behind the screen.
WoW all the time and effort to build a 200mph car 'back then' and twice as much work, to rebuild her NOW!
Think they could have found a better 'steering wheel'... :slap: :icon_smile_blackeye: :icon_smile_blackeye: :icon_smile_blackeye:
Got to 'at least' have a DRINKS button, that's a given... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
:drool5: :coolgleamA: no sale ! , thought it would of gone higher ! considering the french 71 hemi cuda convertible went to 4 million 8 hundred thousand , & got nothing on what DC 93 is & the history etc :shruggy: :popcrn:
could just about hear it driving up on the auction block over the commentator through my computer speakers
Quote from: tan top on May 21, 2021, 02:58:20 PM
:drool5: :coolgleamA: no sale ! , thought it would of gone higher ! considering the french 71 hemi cuda convertible went to 4 million 8 hundred thousand , & got nothing on what DC 93 is & the history etc :shruggy: :popcrn:
I agree! Or the fact the 'big Oly' Bronco goes for $1.7M and DC 93 doesn't hit 7 digits! We are truly living in a topsy-turvy world! :shruggy: :Twocents:
I'll give a buck fiddy cash!
The car is even more incredible in person. Wanted to take it and only it home from the auction. Here it is just a few moments from crossing the block.
Greg with his baby. Larry Rathgeb's son Jeff brought the 200 mph pit board for a reunion photo op.
How absolutely cool!
Its always the same with RICH folks!
They would buy a crap painting of a lily pond because some 'old fart' has his signature on it! :eek2:
But when it comes to REAL Culture and Endeavour, they walk on past with their 'noses in the air'. :brickwall:
Don't worry Greg, a REAL enthusiast will 'rock-up', 'REAL SOON' and give you your hard earned rewards (cash)... :2thumbs: :cheers: :patriot:
ps if I win the Lotto, the 200mph car will be coming to ENGLAND, where folks know CLASS when they see it (or hear it)... :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
pps I will be fitting a better steering wheel, (with your permission of course)... :mrt:
ppps I bet that Charger sold. its a better color B7... :slap: :smilielol: :eek2:
John- Here's a nice pic of the hand built Holley Sandcast Dominator that you provided.
It's #23 of the approximately 50 built in 1969. It has the sleeves to make it 950 cfm.
Holley Race Engineer Gary Congdon gave me the rebuild parts and suggested jetting tips.
The fuel log acts like a reservoir, enabling the engine to develop 575 HP at 6500.
The car was legal for the 200 run, certified by Nascar Chief Inspector Bill Gazaway.
I believe all the Chrysler Engineering guys involved with the car would have been proud of the way it turned out.
The primer port on the front of the breather housing is a nice touch.
This must be the headphone jack for George Wallace to listen to Deep Purple while Charlie or Buddy whisked him around the track.
It was stunning to be in its presence. :yesnod: :drool5: :cheers:
what was the high bid on this?
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on May 24, 2021, 09:58:42 AM
It was stunning to be in its presence. :yesnod: :drool5: :cheers:
Thank you Dave. 23 years plus of effort!
A Mecum guy took the wrong exit to the staging area and the front spoiler hit.
Was near PERFECT. Pete, from Evernhams got it straighter.
Ronnie V., the one man show at Ray's, will get it back to normal.
Some rivets on the bracing sheared off. Under nose looks ok.
Lets say I was LIVID at that guy... :flame: :flame: :flame:
I feel your pain. This is SO easy to do. I run a street spoiler and have lost two of them moving the car around. With a full depth spoiler you need a spotter even if you are pushing the car.
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=137139.0;attach=319356;image)
So sad to see the damage Greg!
I think a few wrinkles will 'add to the effect' of a race car!
Very few 'race cars' are perfect, mostly imperfect except when it comes to the mechanicals lol...
Many thanx for the update on the 'Sandcast' Dominator.
If I was a carb, then that's the carb I would want be, living on top of a HEMI, in the best CAR In the WORLD!!! :pity: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Quote from: odcics2 on May 24, 2021, 01:43:37 PM
Quote from: triple_green on May 24, 2021, 01:13:47 PM
what was the high bid on this?
$650,000.
Asking price or no, this is an amazing build and an amazing piece of American racing history. Kudos Greg, and to all those that helped make this restoration possible.
One question for you, where did you get the period correct vintage NASCAR decals?
Thanks,
Mike
All the stickers, except the Dodge on the nose, Howard's Machine Shop and IR are NOS.
Got them from Larry Rathgeb, Bill Hancock, Milt Wood and ebay
over the course of 23 years.
Reproduction stickers aren't the same.
How did the dyno numbers check out on the car when the engine was at Petty's shop?
Larry R. told me the 200 mph engine made 575 on the dyno.
Nobody ever ran the car on a chassis dyno with the 200 engine, if that's what you mean.
One would think there are trans and rear end losses.
By the same thought process, getting ambient air rammed into
the intake from the base of the cowl at 200 mph would be worth
something. Did it make up for the trans and differential rotating losses?
Guess we'll never know. That day is past.
If George was around, he probably had an equation to get that answer.
:cheers:
Quote from: odcics2 on June 22, 2021, 01:50:34 PM
Larry R. told me the 200 mph engine made 575 on the dyno.
Nobody ever ran the car on a chassis dyno with the 200 engine, if that's what you mean.
One would think there are trans and rear end losses.
By the same thought process, getting ambient air rammed into
the intake from the base of the cowl at 200 mph would be worth
something. Did it make up for the trans and differential rotating losses?
Guess we'll never know. That day is past.
If George was around, he probably had an equation to get that answer.
:cheers:
What HP and torque did it pull in 2021 when it was checked and reassembled before being installed in the car?
575 hp at 6,500.
That's with the fuel log.
About 550 without.