A couple years ago I sent my car off for new quarters, roof skin, trunk drop downs, valance and a few other things. I paid up front and got the car back with a lot to be desired. I was told the metal work was finished, but you didn't have to look closely to see that it wasn't done right. Fast forward to now: my car is currently at Harrington Classic Car Restorations in Asheboro, NC (1300 miles away, I live in Colorado). I've been watching their page on Instagram for over a year now and I am blown away at the level of detail in his work. So far I am very happy with my experience with the shop and Kevin, the body/paint Wizard. He posts updates almost everyday of the work he is doing. Definitely a workaholic.
Looks good. Where's the before pictures?
The first photo is the state of the car as my dad bought it. It's had a few changes since then but nothing major to the body. The picture of the valance corners are from after I got it back from the first body shop. Notice anything wrong? Lol. The next one is the car getting loaded for the trip to Asheboro and a few from Kevin's Instagram going over the car trying to decide how he's going to fix what the other shop did wrong.
I've got quite a few pictures to share from Kevin at the shop. A lot of progress has been made on the car.
- He has fixed the areas where the trim didn't fit well (both windshield and rear window)
- Filler the seam between the quarters and rocker panels with patches
- He got the doors gapped and perfect
- The passenger side door got a piece grafted in from another door because of a rust issue
- He filled in the sail panel seam with a strip of metal and welded it in
- The unibody has been sanded, epoxied, body worked and primed
- The deck lid has been body worked and primed (it was in poor shape)
I also want to note that the body was in really rough shape both from the previous work and 50 years of a hard life. We are still looking for a rear bumper for it before he can finish fitting the new tail light panel and fixing the valence corners. Super exciting stuff! :popcrn:
Some more photos:
And a few more:
Looks good. Somebody had fun with the decklid.
Yet another story of bad work at a shop... Hope you got some of your money back! Glad you found a good shop! :2thumbs:
When you have the $$$ and don't mind car gone for a long time., thats definatly the way to go!!
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on December 16, 2020, 08:11:18 AM
Yet another story of bad work at a shop... Hope you got some of your money back! Glad you found a good shop! :2thumbs:
Yep, another one. I can tell you which shop in Littleton, CO to avoid. Sadly I'm not looking to pursue any recourse. I figured it would be more trouble than it's worth. I'm very happy to have found a good shop, even if it was halfway across the country 😜
Quote from: AKcharger on December 16, 2020, 09:53:05 AM
When you have the $$$ and don't mind car gone for a long time., thats definatly the way to go!!
I could never do what this guy does. And he's faster and more affordable than I expected! I'm pretty certain that he will be finished before I have my engine ready and I've got a lot of little things left to do that are going to add up in cost which will slow me down even more.
I did not go back through the whole thread
Did you ever say what colour you are going to paint your car ?
Quote from: 70 sublime on December 16, 2020, 12:22:19 PM
I did not go back through the whole thread
Did you ever say what colour you are going to paint your car ?
I don't think I did. I'm pretty sure I'm going with the B5 blue, but I haven't ruled out others if you have suggestions or pics. There's a nice turquoise that was really rare for '69 that I really like too 🤔
I also had to get a second shop to fix/continue what the first shop didn't.
God luck with the resto. :2thumbs:
Quote from: rikubot on December 16, 2020, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: 70 sublime on December 16, 2020, 12:22:19 PM
I did not go back through the whole thread
Did you ever say what colour you are going to paint your car ?
I don't think I did. I'm pretty sure I'm going with the B5 blue, but I haven't ruled out others if you have suggestions or pics. There's a nice turquoise that was really rare for '69 that I really like too 🤔
Q5 ?
That is what my 69 was originally
Think I am going to paint mine F6 green :2thumbs:
Quote from: 70 sublime on December 16, 2020, 01:48:09 PM
Quote from: rikubot on December 16, 2020, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: 70 sublime on December 16, 2020, 12:22:19 PM
I did not go back through the whole thread
Did you ever say what colour you are going to paint your car ?
I don't think I did. I'm pretty sure I'm going with the B5 blue, but I haven't ruled out others if you have suggestions or pics. There's a nice turquoise that was really rare for '69 that I really like too 🤔
Q5 ?
That is what my 69 was originally
Think I am going to paint mine F6 green :2thumbs:
Yes sir. It's even hard to find pictures of it online. So you're wanting to change it up to F6? Mine started at F8.
Quote from: CDN72SE on December 16, 2020, 01:26:44 PM
I also had to get a second shop to fix/continue what the first shop didn't.
God luck with the resto. :2thumbs:
Sorry to hear that! Such a bummer. I appreciate it though, I'm gonna need it! So many little things I still need that will add up. And the engine still needs rebuilt!
Quote from: JB400 on December 16, 2020, 03:57:18 AM
Looks good. Somebody had fun with the decklid.
Yeah, looks like somebody had a ball peen hammer and an afternoon of boredom XD
Here's an update from the body shop:
The brand new AMD hood has been stripped and primed. Thing is looking goooood :2thumbs:
Couple more:
nice! wonder why they felt the need to strip hood?
Some of those AMD panels have been known to have some surface rust under the e-coat from time to time. Better safe than sorry!
;) ah! gotcha!
I meant to say *under the e-coat* lol. Corrected.
Setting the fenders on gettin ready to do some body work on them:
Getting close now! Or at least it starts to look like it when they start re-hanging panels.....
Quote from: darbgnik on January 15, 2021, 12:38:04 AM
Getting close now! Or at least it starts to look like it when they start re-hanging panels.....
I think it's definitely over the hump! The engine bay is going to be a bear and we still havnt decided on the underside but I would really like to get that done as well.
Here are some photos of the blocking he's done on the fenders, they were hiding a lotta dingers:
Some metal work on the fenders:
Fenders blocked and ready for spot epoxy:
Both fenders primed. Rear bumper is on the way from Jegs :2thumbs:
Awesome progress and really nice work. HCC is only about 1hr20min from me so it's great to see such a good shop that's close if/when I farm out the bodywork on my car.
Not that you know me at all but if you ever need/want another set of Charger owner eyes to check on the car let me know I'd be happy to take a ride.
Yes. Nice work indeed!
I can't wait for mine to get in this stage.
New bumper. "OER Premier" brand. Has anyone heard of them before? AMD has been out for months so we had to go with this one.
Looking good :cheers:
I have not heard anything about them. I have the AMD bumpers on my 68 and they are nice from a distance but the chrome is far from perfect.
Here are a few "before" photos of my car:
Here are some pics of the work he did on the taillight panel and the end caps. He had to do some splitting to get the quarters to line up with the oem end caps. It's looking good!
Getting the valance corners fixed up:
Kevin at HCCR put together a video of the work he's done on Christine. Came out super cool!
https://youtu.be/orsBsO8RRlI
Getting the rear end ready for some blocking:
looks good...might manna pop off the 1/4 panel caps, makes things a bit cleaner
I am following along
Interesting how much filler it usually takes to get all the gaps looking better than factory
I do not feel so bad now when working on my stuff :2thumbs:
Yeah he does a skim coat pretty much throughout. It makes for some super straight panels. Crazy how not straight brand new panels are lol.
Here's another shot from today:
Pretty much the same way I do my quarters. Somebody else welded these on, warped them :eek2: then wanted my help to straighten them. Total Mess :eek2: Worse I've seen. Looked good when done.
That is looking fantastic. I do not envy you guys who take on the curves of a second gen charger. I would definitely be the guy warping panels and bugging you to fix it :icon_smile_big:
I got the grille finished up a little while back. It's far from perfect but it should look pretty good for a driver. If the paint stays on during a wash I'll be happy!
Here's a few more things I've finished:
A little bit more work done on the rear of the car. Fenders and end caps getting the finishing touches:
Nice progress!
What a nice mock up on the dash. Who needs a car? ;)
Excellent body work. Where did you get the front nose piece ? You better get that engine ready !!
Quote from: KurtfromLaQuinta on March 03, 2021, 02:54:45 PM
Nice progress!
What a nice mock up on the dash. Who needs a car? ;)
Thank you I appreciate it! :cheers:
Trust me I've thought about it. Just put a tv in front of it and a folding chair behind it. It would save a lot of money and headache haha
Quote from: ACUDANUT on March 04, 2021, 06:42:39 AM
Excellent body work. Where did you get the front nose piece ? You better get that engine ready !!
Thank you sir! I still have to go through the engine sadly.
The grille was in the car when I bought it. I had to do some plastic repair, sanding, and painting. It's still not perfect but it will do for me. The chrome is brand new from AMD.
Before and after of the hood from today:
Metal and bodywork look great!
Good luck with the build!
Pat
Thanks Pat! Yours is looking great as well. I love that silver and black!
I am fairly certain that I want her to end up B5 blue. I want it to be a little different though so I was thinking of a silver R/T stripe. Thoughts?
THIS ISNT MY CAR. I couldn't find any B5 Chargers with a silver stripe.
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/get-show-car-paint-right-custom-color/
Not B5, but nice blue nonetheless.
Quote from: JB400 on March 11, 2021, 08:20:07 PM
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/get-show-car-paint-right-custom-color/
Not B5, but nice blue nonetheless.
I really like that one too :coolgleamA:
Here are some photos I've found online that represent the look I'm going for.
I want to have the tail light panel blacked out with the R/T emblem, the sail panels gotta have the Charger emblem, hard top, Magnum 500s - 15x8s on rear and 15x7s on front, although those bigger wheels on the car in the first picture sure do look good too. So far I'm leaning toward a black bumblebee stripe.
If you have any comments or recommendations I'd be glad to hear them!
Quote from: rikubot on March 12, 2021, 08:19:22 PM
Quote from: JB400 on March 11, 2021, 08:20:07 PM
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/get-show-car-paint-right-custom-color/
Not B5, but nice blue nonetheless.
I really like that one too :coolgleamA:
6 days or 48 hours to sand & rub 2 Quarter Panels, So they probably got 200 hours sanding & rubbing the whole Car which would probably cost about $10,000.00. Now I know why the Guy that Bought my Old Charger decided not to get it Restored there, He did say they were to expensive for him so He's going to a more low Budget place unfortunately :scratchchin: :shruggy: LEON.
Yeah that's way out of my budget. I want to drive the car before I die haha. If it's on the road in the next year I'll be extremely happy. Even if it's just a drivetrain and body ;D
He stripped the rockers and they look to be in good shape other than one big dent he's going to try to pull out:
Rockers fixed up and epoxied up:
Driver's side rocker finished. He welded some metal into where they leaded the quarter to rocker seam and did a skim coat of fiberglass and did the body work.
Nice progress... nice work.
I can't wait until my Charger gets to this point. :icon_smile_big:
Did you decide where you are going to take it?
Quote from: rikubot on April 04, 2021, 11:14:54 PM
Did you decide where you are going to take it?
Yes.
I found a place local here in the desert. I've seen his work and I've talked to him numerous times. He seems to be on it and he really wants to do a "Daytona". Since he's never done one before.
We've already talked colors and what needs to be done. My son mostly... with my help... needs to wrap up the heavy metal work.
Now that it's getting hot... ::) we'll hit it hard...
Awesome to hear that you are moving forward. Are you going to post progress pics on the Charger site? I'd love to see its transformation :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: rikubot on April 06, 2021, 01:56:05 AM
Awesome to hear that you are moving forward. Are you going to post progress pics on the Charger site? I'd love to see its transformation :icon_smile_big:
I've started to over here... http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,139275.0.html
Click on that Ramcharger Central link there for a more complete story.
I'm trying to figure out the clunky way to post pictures here at DodgeCharger. I think I've figured it out... stupid resizing issues. ::)
So I'll try to post pictures directly from now on.
We had a few things get in the way this last couple of months... the project came to a standstill. My son and I will start to hit it hard hopefully by this weekend.
She is looking real good Mr. Kurt :cheers:
Spring time is just about perfect for working on cars. Keep us posted on the progress. You've got quite the build going on!
The image upload on here is definitely clunky. I've found that if I screen cap and crop on my iPhone 6s it seems to let them load up.
Well, we have two season here in the desert. Spring and summer.
And spring can get quite toasty too.
We do have a big swamp cooler in my son's shop. And we have some decent fans too.
It can get quite ugly though.
I was fairly certain that I wanted to paint my car B5 blue but lately I've been seen some red ones and a few others that have been making me doubt myself. If you have another idea or car that you really like, please feel free to post pictures of them here.
Red, Orange, Blue and Yellow...You can't go wrong. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
You forgot BLACK, and yellow
I said yellow !!. But it can't be mustard yellow. !! I have 2 bright as the sun yellow Mopars.
All great colors on Chargers.
What kinda yellow are you thinking? I'm preferring to stay with a color from the '69 year.
lots to choose from :2thumbs:
Thank you sir I appreciate it! Current google searching for a Q4 car.
Coupla nice ones
I love the color of the last picture. Almost looks like Petty blue ?
It is Petty Blue and so far l haven't been able to get anybody to mix some for me to paint my car. What is so hard about mixing this color :shruggy:
I really like that Petty Blue on there. It's really different but looks good with the white stripe and interior.
Quote from: rikubot on October 02, 2020, 10:53:32 PM
A couple years ago I sent my car off for new quarters, roof skin, trunk drop downs, valance and a few other things. I paid up front
You paid up front????
Quote from: nchrome on April 16, 2021, 09:01:51 PM
It is Petty Blue and so far l haven't been able to get anybody to mix some for me to paint my car. What is so hard about mixing this color :shruggy:
On 71-72 paint codes, I believe it is there. It's been awhile. Sorry.
Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 18, 2021, 09:30:45 AM
You paid up front????
Yes :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: my inexperience left me thinking that wasnt out of the ordinary.
Quote from: nchrome on April 16, 2021, 09:01:51 PM
It is Petty Blue and so far l haven't been able to get anybody to mix some for me to paint my car. What is so hard about mixing this color :shruggy:
:shruggy:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,136536.0.html
Thanks for the link.
That's too bad. I decided to stick with colors from '69 model year.
That "Corporate"/ Petty Blue looks really nice on that Charger.
Very unique.
Quote from: KurtfromLaQuinta on April 20, 2021, 10:27:12 PM
That "Corporate"/ Petty Blue looks really nice on that Charger.
Very unique.
I agree. Unique indeed. I'd like a touch of uniqueness with mine as well but maintain the overall integrity of the vintage nature of the car.
Quote from: rikubot on April 20, 2021, 03:06:28 PM
Thanks for the link.
That's too bad. I decided to stick with colors from '69 model year.
Your car, Your way !!
Well l found out how to get Petty Blue for my car. Just ask for robbin egg shell blue. Is a very close to Petty Blue very close. :2thumbs:
Quote from: nchrome on April 23, 2021, 09:06:23 PM
Well l found out how to get Petty Blue for my car. Just ask for robbin egg shell blue. Is a very close to Petty Blue very close. :2thumbs:
But... your not going that way. Right?
I think it looks great on a Charger... because I've never seen it done before. ;)
That's why I'm going with Citron Yella.
Quote from: nchrome on April 23, 2021, 09:06:23 PM
Well l found out how to get Petty Blue for my car. Just ask for robbin egg shell blue. Is a very close to Petty Blue very close. :2thumbs:
I hate people who say Robin egg blue, piss yellow, shit brown, diarrihea brown, menstrual cycle red and other offensive names. :brickwall:
Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 24, 2021, 10:30:43 AM
Quote from: nchrome on April 23, 2021, 09:06:23 PM
Well l found out how to get Petty Blue for my car. Just ask for robbin egg shell blue. Is a very close to Petty Blue very close. :2thumbs:
I hate people who say Robin egg blue, piss yellow, shit brown, diarrihea brown, menstrual cycle red and other offensive names. :brickwall:
Statutory Grape. Catch Me Copper. Unforeseeable Fuchsia. Hi-Ho Silver. Well-Red. Cost of Living Rose. Fisher Body Rust. Frank Lloyd White.
Quote from: KurtfromLaQuinta on April 24, 2021, 03:53:45 PM
Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 24, 2021, 10:30:43 AM
Quote from: nchrome on April 23, 2021, 09:06:23 PM
Well l found out how to get Petty Blue for my car. Just ask for robbin egg shell blue. Is a very close to Petty Blue very close. :2thumbs:
I hate people who say Robin egg blue, piss yellow, shit brown, diarrihea brown, menstrual cycle red and other offensive names. :brickwall:
Statutory Grape. Catch Me Copper. Unforeseeable Fuchsia. Hi-Ho Silver. Well-Red. Cost of Living Rose. Fisher Body Rust. Frank Lloyd White.
:rofl: hahaha okay now those are pretty funny
Quote from: rikubot on April 25, 2021, 05:21:50 PM
Quote from: KurtfromLaQuinta on April 24, 2021, 03:53:45 PM
Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 24, 2021, 10:30:43 AM
Quote from: nchrome on April 23, 2021, 09:06:23 PM
Well l found out how to get Petty Blue for my car. Just ask for robbin egg shell blue. Is a very close to Petty Blue very close. :2thumbs:
I hate people who say Robin egg blue, piss yellow, shit brown, diarrihea brown, menstrual cycle red and other offensive names. :brickwall:
Statutory Grape. Catch Me Copper. Unforeseeable Fuchsia. Hi-Ho Silver. Well-Red. Cost of Living Rose. Fisher Body Rust. Frank Lloyd White.
:rofl: hahaha okay now those are pretty funny
It's some of the names that were thrown out for consideration by Mopar back in the late 60'/ early 70's.
I thought AMC used "Statutory Grape".....
Quote from: Kern Dog on April 26, 2021, 12:52:29 AM
I thought AMC used "Statutory Grape".....
Do you think some company would allow that? :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: KurtfromLaQuinta on April 26, 2021, 03:08:21 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on April 26, 2021, 12:52:29 AM
I thought AMC used "Statutory Grape".....
Do you think some company would allow that? :icon_smile_big:
Maybe that's why they don't sell cars anymore XD
Quote from: rikubot on April 26, 2021, 05:59:14 PM
Quote from: KurtfromLaQuinta on April 26, 2021, 03:08:21 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on April 26, 2021, 12:52:29 AM
I thought AMC used "Statutory Grape".....
Do you think some company would allow that? :icon_smile_big:
Maybe that's why they don't sell cars anymore XD
And they all look the same... Jellybeans.
Or butt ugly... Shivetts.
Challengers are selling WAY more than those ridiculously ugly Covidmaro's.
Here's a little update. Some front end parts got sandblasted and delivered today. Kevin said he was surprised at how good the stuff looked after blasting!
He got some epoxy primer put down on a few parts the other day. It's looking good!
I'm jealous.
My project has been sitting for almost 2 months. Too many things getting in the way. Hopefully this week/ weekend things will start rolling again.
I need to order the Daytona kit from Janek because they have a lead time going.
Dang.
I want this done by next year sometime. My 50th high school class reunion is happening then. I would love to pull up in my clone. ;)
This is probably just a dream though. I'm pushing for a goal though.
The body man got a lot of work done this week. The valance got body-worked and fitted. The rear got body-worked as well:
Is that a new AMD Taillight panel?
Quote from: KurtfromLaQuinta on May 05, 2021, 11:00:55 PM
Is that a new AMD Taillight panel?
Yes mine was rust free but has some weirdness going on with it. The car may have been hit on the left side at one point in time.
Quote from: rikubot on May 06, 2021, 02:13:45 PM
Quote from: KurtfromLaQuinta on May 05, 2021, 11:00:55 PM
Is that a new AMD Taillight panel?
Yes mine was rust free but has some weirdness going on with it. The car may have been hit on the left side at one point in time.
Mine had major weirdness... it wasn't rust free. ;)
I'm so glad AMD makes those units... and the rounded ends.
My son looked at those and said do you realize how many hours it would take to form those pills? :icon_smile_big:
They really are doing some noble work by re-making these panels. Think of all the cars that have been saved only because they make the parts that are so badly needed. We must all be grateful for AMD!
Quote from: rikubot on May 06, 2021, 02:13:45 PM
Quote from: KurtfromLaQuinta on May 05, 2021, 11:00:55 PM
Is that a new AMD Taillight panel?
Yes mine was rust free but has some weirdness going on with it. The car may have been hit on the left side at one point in time.
Make sure they test fit the tailights into the AMD panel before paint. Mine had some fitment issues. Just a heads up
Quote from: Ryan on May 07, 2021, 09:37:08 PM
Quote from: rikubot on May 06, 2021, 02:13:45 PM
Quote from: KurtfromLaQuinta on May 05, 2021, 11:00:55 PM
Is that a new AMD Taillight panel?
Yes mine was rust free but has some weirdness going on with it. The car may have been hit on the left side at one point in time.
Make sure they test fit the tailights into the AMD panel before paint. Mine had some fitment issues. Just a heads up
Thanks for that.
Quote from: Ryan on May 07, 2021, 09:37:08 PM
Quote from: rikubot on May 06, 2021, 02:13:45 PM
Quote from: KurtfromLaQuinta on May 05, 2021, 11:00:55 PM
Is that a new AMD Taillight panel?
Yes mine was rust free but has some weirdness going on with it. The car may have been hit on the left side at one point in time.
Make sure they test fit the tailights into the AMD panel before paint. Mine had some fitment issues. Just a heads up
Thank you! Yes definitely good to know. I'll have to mention that to my body guy. He's done a Charger before with all new panels so he may know already but I did not send the tail lights with the car.
This is a long shot but does anyone in the Asheboro area feel like letting my body guy test fit your tail lights so I don't have to ship mine? :icon_smile_big:
What's his timeline on needing to fit the taillights? I might be able to make it down there, it's an hour or so ride so I'd just need to figure out when I could make it down that way.
He's just about ready to slap them in. I do think there are other things he could do first. You have no idea how much I appreciate that. I figured it would cost at least $50 to ship them and they are pretty fragile so that scares me lol. What would make it worth your time/gas?
Sent ya a PM ;)
The latest with Christine:
Kevin sanded the old epoxy (possibly spray bombed) off of the bottom of the deck lid and did new epoxy, just to be safe.
I also noticed that the deck lid had some brazing in six different holes. Can anyone tell if that lid had a rack on it from the factory? The holes on the bottom look like they'd be in the right place for rack mounting bolts.
A few more of the deck lid:
The deck lid is body worked and primed up. Looking real smooth :coolgleamA:
Grille frame all dialed in:
Kevin has started blocking Christine for primer. Very exciting!
Awesome work!
Taking shape!
Thanks Kurt! Can't wait man.
Here are some pictures of the driver's side fender getting blocked:
A few more:
Getting close!
That's cool. I'm from Pueblo, Colorado. About two hours south from Denver.
Here are a few shots of the progress in the engine bay:
Progress!
When my son redid my firewall, I was the "copper holder" on the opposite side of the holes while he filled gaps.
"Not there! Over here!" :icon_smile_big:
Kevin is a one-man shop so I was wondering how he did that part of the welding haha.
Are you just using a normal heater box instead of the a/c heater box ?
Not sure if the heater core water pipes are in the same spot from one to the other
Was just wondering why some of the holes were left not filled in
Quote from: 70 sublime on August 20, 2021, 11:33:07 AM
Are you just using a normal heater box instead of the a/c heater box ?
Not sure if the heater core water pipes are in the same spot from one to the other
Was just wondering why some of the holes were left not filled in
Yes Sublime I am switching from AC to just heater. There's one more hole to the left of that one that he needs to drill back out. I think there will be a few stragglers down low that I'll need to plug but for the most part all the AC holes hot patched.
We're gonna blast the engine bay and cowl. Here she is getting the k-frame pulled. Anyone have any good links for a k-frame resto? Seems fairly simple but I like to see what other people are doing.
She is off to the blast man tomorrow! :punkrocka:
Will be nice to see some shiny metal :popcrn:
:2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :popcrn:
Quote from: CDN72SE on September 15, 2021, 03:30:56 PM
Will be nice to see some shiny metal :popcrn:
Yes sir. Its good to see all that maroon gone. I've always hated it!
Got some pictures. Car was blasted and epoxied by the end of the work day.
Update:
Engine bay and cowel body-worked and primed!
Just curious. Why wouldn't you remove the parking brake cable?
Quote from: DownZero on October 04, 2021, 04:19:47 PM
Just curious. Why wouldn't you remove the parking brake cable?
Just Curious, Why would you remove it :scratchchin:
We are trying to save money where we can. I figured it wouldn't matter a whole lot. It's going to be a driver so stuff like that isn't as much of a concern as the top side.