I need my 727 rebuilt and need it to handle at least 500hp, what should i buy, which kit etc.
Are you doing it yourself or sending the parts on to someone else?
shop will do it for me, never rebuilt trans myself
Quote from: Silver R/T on July 21, 2005, 01:48:17 AM
shop will do it for me, never rebuilt trans myself
I would tell them you need it to handle 500 hp and let them decide.
Then if there's a problem they can't come back on you and say we used what you told us to use, it'll be their problem.
a stock rebuild with stock components will handle a 500hp motor, i know. the only thing i would get for yours would be a bolt-in sprag and roller set and a shift kit. that is unless if you want a MVB or sumpin. You do not need to go crazy, cuz that is when it starts getting expensive! But if you want expensive, let me know and I will get some part numbers and prices for you.
Depending where you are, you may also want to consider a letting a place like Cope or A&A rebuild it for you. A&A can do a high quality street/strip rebuild for not much more than a standard shop will charge and Mopar is all they do.
Rebuilt my trans in 1980 to stock specks, a year later put in a B&M shift kit I run 12.5 to 1 pistons 915 ported heads 484 284 mopar cam balanced on and on to this day it still grabs rubber at 1/2 throttle into second gear, I would put a stall converter in that as well a 2400 is what I run been in there since 80 these trans are the best.
Dan
John Cope puts together killers trannys. Here's his site. He's great to work with.
http://www.coperacingtrans.com/727.htm
thanks for help/llinks guys
i just had my 727 re built,the 15 year old torque convertor failed,taking the tranny with it! i used a mopar converter(factory hi stall-about 1800),and the tranny guy put in new clutches,plates and all the hardware,no shift kit yet,but did replace the valve body with a new one,and am happy as hell!
did you use synthetic trans fluid? does it chirp tires now :)
i used the b and m trick shift fluid,and it does grab second pretty hard,but i am still going to have a shift kit put in,one part of the car i wont even try to dig into is the tranny,!
Silver, I just had Bekkerings on North Division do mine. They're good mopar guys and stand behind they're work. The Owners have been building and racing mopars since the '60's. There's also Circle D Transmission in Colville. Norm Merkel (killer '69 Charger) owns it and he worked at Bekkerings for years. Bob
I like trans work. It's clean and there aren't a whole lot of things that can go wrong. Just amke sure everything is crystal clean and to spec.
Quote from: RECHRGD on July 23, 2005, 09:46:00 AM
Silver, I just had Bekkerings on North Division do mine. They're good mopar guys and stand behind they're work. The Owners have been building and racing mopars since the '60's. There's also Circle D Transmission in Colville. Norm Merkel (killer '69 Charger) owns it and he worked at Bekkerings for years. Bob
how much $$ was it?
You'll save money if you take the tranny out yourself. Because of lack of time and convenience I had them take it out and re-install it in the car. The total labor including the rebuild came to 420.00. Most of my parts were still OK. They replaced the torque converter (120.00), flexplate (7.14), Overhaul kit (42.46), ATF (28.80), Used pump body (20.00), Rear band (30.00), Misc. (7.20). Very reasonable, but not any Fancy convertor or flex plate. I already had a TransGo shift kit in there. In stock form these 727's will take alot of power. If your still looking for 500 RRHP then take the advise of the experts there and most likely increase your budget. Bob
hmm thats cheap I know FastbackJon recommended me a place on E Sprague "bills transmissions" I think and cost is $600-$650 stock rebuild. they did his rebuilds in one day. Ill need shift kit put in, synthetic fluid, also my kickdown linkage will need to be hooked up. that shop is called Bekkerings? Ill look it up in yellow pages.
like crazy said john cope is the man to get a tranny done right.
good guy and knows his stuff.
Rick Allison at A&A is no slouch either.
Quote from: Ghoste on July 24, 2005, 12:30:12 AM
Rick Allison at A&A is no slouch either.
is this local in spokane?
I took my '67 Charger in to Bekkerings on N. Division for an alignment/front end check because they offered free inspections. I don't remember the name of the guy I talked to but even though I made an appointment, I had to leave the car with them for a few hours because they coudln't get it in. Anyhow, I noticed the alternator gauge acting up as I drove it in and I asked if they could check that out too.
Well I check back in (after walking over to Walmart and back to kill time reading magazines), and my car is nowhere in sight. I check back outside and I see him pulling it into the parking space. I ask what's wrong and he tells me a list of things wrong with the front end to my face and tells me the labor bill for checking it out, the electrical, a 1/2 hour charge. I was suprised since NAPA, and Shucks, and many other places offer free electrical checks, not to mention he didn't give me an estimate or tell me before hand that it was going to cost me. So I tell him this and he lets me take the car, but I ask for a list of things that need to be done with the trans and an estimate first, but he says he needs to get it all put together an he'll call me.
So I wait and get a call and this time he just tells me a total for the repairs, but not what's wrong with it. Like he's skirting giving me a written estimate or telling me what's wrong with the front end.
I didn't like that service. Just my opinion.
No A&A is in Indiana. I thought Cope was on the east coast?
Quote from: Ghoste on July 23, 2005, 12:17:34 PM
I like trans work. It's clean and there aren't a whole lot of things that can go wrong. Just amke sure everything is crystal clean and to spec.
since you do your own, what tools are need, what manual(s) should I use(are there any electronic/downloadable copies out there ;D ), what would you you recomend for someone that wants to learn how to work on trannies? I have worked on every part of a car so fare, exept the tranny and rear-end.
Ian
thanks for advice, anyways its people that make business not people that LEFT that business. Maybe they left for a reason, cause they couldnt stand asses that they had to work with on daily basis. Im shopping for shift kit now and trans fluid
would it be advisable to upgrade it with deeper oil pan
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=33727&item=7988080334&sspagename=WDVW
what else do I need
Cope is in Indiana, near Chi Town.
That first picture would scare me away from rebuilding one. Just from the looks of it, seems like too much could go wrong with all those little pieces inline.
I have a scanned step by step pictorial for rebuilding a 727 in pdf form, but it's 17MB in size.
It's from a book that my Dad bought way back in the 70s from Petersen Publishing - kind of a collection of articles bound into a book form.
If I can find a place to put it, I'll post a link. One word of warning though, every other page is upside down - jus the way it fit in the scanner. You can flip images around with Acrobat, but you can't save it back to the file once you do... Of course, if you print them out, you can do it manually.
The best manual for rebuilding I've found is just the regular old fsm. There are any number of others out there though. Some on video or dvd some on cd-rom an some in print. They aren't hard to find.
As for tools, basic hand tools are what you'll need for now. A heavy duty pair of snap ring pliers with a wide spread (1 1/2 inches) and an inch pound torque wrench. There are a few assemblies that need a press but you should be able to get a local shop to do it for you if you don't want to buy one. Feeler guages are a must. I' have a couple of tools that I've made for pulling the pump assembly out and adapters for my press and what not.
The other big thing that can't be overstressed is a clean well lit area to work. Think hospital clean.
this site will host up to 20MB file but only for 7 days www.webfile.ru
I'm sorry Jon didn't have a good experience at Bekkerings. No shop or individual is perfect all the time. I was impressed when Tom (the tranny guy) told me to bring it in anytime if I wanted him to adjust or check anything at no charge. It did leak around the pan gasket after a week or so and that was fixed, no problem. I do think that you young guys (wrongfully so) may not get optimum service sometimes. The perception being that if they spend alot of time checking things out for a quote, you won't be able to afford the repair. My son-in-law used to get alot of that when he was in the business a few years back. Don't worry with any luck you guys will get old and wrinkled some day. Bob
Quote from: Silver R/T on July 24, 2005, 03:27:55 PM
this site will host up to 20MB file but only for 7 days www.webfile.ru
that site is not even in english ??? is that the right one?
There's a pretty good video out there that shows how to tear down and rebuild a 727/904, shows the procedure, tools you'll need, etc.. I got mine from JC Whitney a couple years ago- Not the most professionally produced, but it covers everything!
http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Product/showCustom-0/Pr-p_Product.CATENTRY_ID:2006761/c-10101/Nty-1/p-2006761/Ntx-mode+matchallpartial/N-10101/tf-Browse/s-10101/Ntk-AllTextSearchGroup?Ntt=transmission%20video
Quote from: d72hemi on July 24, 2005, 08:16:28 PM
Quote from: Silver R/T on July 24, 2005, 03:27:55 PM
this site will host up to 20MB file but only for 7 days www.webfile.ru
that site is not even in english ??? is that the right one?
its not in english but itll host document up to 20mb just click browse and find document on your computer and then click button below for it to upload
i FOUND THIS SITE i HOPE THIS HELPS WITH SOME ANSWERS. http://www.nwbinders.net/Tech/TF727Rebuild.html
I'm in the middle of a 727 rebuild(1st timer), and this book is my bible. It's very well writte, I advise you dropping the 15 bucks and picking it up. This guy is also where I got my rebuild kits/any needed parts, plus I've called him about 50 times for questions, he's real helpful.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1557883998/qid=1122321218/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-6656401-3902200?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
Also, ignore the comments from the one guy who reviewed the book and said it doesn't do a good job as a step-by-step. It in fact does an excellent job of that, and that's what I use it for.
Adam
Quote from: moparfreak on July 25, 2005, 02:56:31 PM
I'm in the middle of a 727 rebuild(1st timer), and this book is my bible. It's very well writte, I advise you dropping the 15 bucks and picking it up. This guy is also where I got my rebuild kits/any needed parts, plus I've called him about 50 times for questions, he's real helpful.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1557883998/qid=1122321218/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-6656401-3902200?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
Also, ignore the comments from the one guy who reviewed the book and said it doesn't do a good job as a step-by-step. It in fact does an excellent job of that, and that's what I use it for.
Adam
that book is great, but if you can get a copy of the chassis service manual, you will be like wth do i need this other book for?
I use the torqueflight book for general step-by-step and direction, and the factory service manual for real details w/ the explodes and stuff.
Adam
K, try the link...
http://webfile.ru/423639
The file is actually bigger than I remembered - just over 19 MB.
Quote from: dodgecharger-fan on July 25, 2005, 06:41:32 PM
K, try the link...
http://webfile.ru/423639
The file is actually bigger than I remembered - just over 19 MB.
I cant get the link to work, I have cable internet so the size is not a factor. Am I doing something wrong?
just click on where it says something like CKa*aT *aN*
Скачать файл
I did, and have tried a few times, to click on "Скачать файл", but I only get a blank page that does not seem to do anything. but I did once get a page that said somthing about the site being overloaded or somthing like that, but that was only once. ???
ya its overloaded for right now I guess, id try later
Quote from: Silver R/T on July 25, 2005, 07:47:08 PM
just click on where it says something like CKa*aT *aN*
Скачать файл
For those having trouble, right click that and select Save Target as...
That should get you going.
I think what's happening is that Acrobat is trying to open the file directly and it takes a while for it to download.
It took about 23 minutes to upload and I was no where near my max upload speed.
That site isn't the quickest, but at least it holds 20 MB....
Patience. It does work.
It works ;D , but is only downloading at 0.3-0.2 Kbs a sec :rotz:
Thanks guys!