I am new to this forum.
I bought a Petty car last week and hoping someone
could help me determine what races it might have run.
I attached some photos.
Thanks
Randy
Quote from: Randy on March 07, 2010, 03:44:33 PM
I am new to this forum.
I bought a Petty car last week and hoping someone
could help me determine what races it might have run.
I attached some photos.
Thanks
Randy
welcome randy
Hi Randy, this is Doug, call me this week cuz I'm meeting with Greg Steadman next saturday at the Petty Shop and if you have some pics or a chassis number I can have him pass them on to Dale and maybe come up with some leads. ~ Doug
Quote from: Randy on March 07, 2010, 03:44:33 PM
I am new to this forum.
I bought a Petty car last week and hoping someone
could help me determine what races it might have run.
I attached some photos.
Thanks
Randy
hello & welcome Randy :cheers: would love to see more pictures & stuff :drool5: :popcrn:
Welcome Randy. You should start a new topic for that car and give us a few more pics cuz. (you don't want it getting mixed up with this trainwreck)
Quote from: Ghoste on March 07, 2010, 08:18:38 PM
Welcome Randy. You should start a new topic for that car and give us a few more pics cuz. (you don't want it getting mixed up with this trainwreck)
Yep, it deserves its own thread.
Quote from: Aero426 on March 07, 2010, 09:21:19 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on March 07, 2010, 08:18:38 PM
Welcome Randy. You should start a new topic for that car and give us a few more pics cuz. (you don't want it getting mixed up with this trainwreck)
Yep, it deserves its own thread.
:iagree: :yesnod:....... :popcrn:
I agree with those that felt this car needed to be split out from the Cotton Owens thread, which is why I carved these replies out and set them up as a new thread.
Randy, thanks for posting, and with some additional info/pictures, perhaps the guys on this forum can help. Looks like a neat find!
Did anyone notice the other car in the background?
Quote from: maxwellwedge on March 08, 2010, 12:13:39 PM
Did anyone notice the other car in the background?
... and it's funky backlite
:scratchchin:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on March 08, 2010, 12:13:39 PM
Did anyone notice the other car in the background?
:yesnod: looks like the early 70s chebby monte carlo , of bobby allisons :scratchchin: :popcrn:
71 or 72 Roadrunner. Right side fuel filler... set up for Riverside?
If this is a real R/P car, that would mean this the third one out there, if the other two 'restorations' are in fact real Petty cars. I've read that at least one was verified by PEI staff before the merge.
The Allison car has me wondering if that photo was taken at a shop in Gastonia...?
I do not mean to cast any doubts or question anyone's integrity, but as most know, there are more than a few cars out there that aren't what they claim to be.
These photos are a few years old, but are of the same car, as posted on Mopardealer.com The car has no connection to Gastonia.
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll56/Aero426/USAC/1973plymouth361.jpg)
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll56/Aero426/USAC/1973plymouth3612.jpg)
(http://www.mopardealer.com/_borders/73_petty_car.jpg)
(http://www.mopardealer.com/_borders/73_petty_car6.jpg)
why are there decals on the front of the car for japanese performance car companies?
The last time the car ran was in the early 90's for land speed runs, ie: Bonneville. This is the lettering on the photos.
Quote from: Aero426 on March 08, 2010, 02:41:52 PM
The last time the car ran was in the early 90's for land speed runs, ie: Bonneville. This is the lettering on the photos.
good pictures !! salt flats !! what motor was it running ?
Quote from: Aero426 on March 08, 2010, 02:29:58 PM
These photos are a few years old, but are of the same car, as posted on Mopardealer.com
Great work. You are The Man when it comes to tracking these cars down.
So based on what Mopardealer said, this a Nichols chassis from 68-70, delivered to Soares in 72?
Or is it a later PE chassis?
QuoteThe car has no connection to Gastonia.
Okay, my bad. It was a shot in the dark. It wouldn't be the first time I've opened my mouth without knowing what I was talking about.
:shruggy: :slap:
Quote from: 71-500 on March 08, 2010, 01:37:42 PM
71 or 72 Roadrunner. Right side fuel filler... set up for Riverside?
I do not mean to cast any doubts or question anyone's integrity, but as most know, there are more than a few cars out there that aren't what they claim to be.
And more than a few of those...
ahem...questionable cars were built in
Gastonia. Fortunately that particular assembly line is shot down. And none too soon.
Quote from: Aero426 on March 08, 2010, 02:29:58 PM
These photos are a few years old, but are of the same car, as posted on Mopardealer.com The car has no connection to Gastonia.
(http://www.mopardealer.com/_borders/73_petty_car.jpg)
First picture in the thread does not have the silver 'fuel vent?' on the back of the left quarter panel. Are we certain these are photos of the same car?
Nevermind!!! looked again at the first photo and saw both quarters had been removed. :slap:
I had trouble posting pictures in my last post so I am going to try again here. The history I have of the car is that it was purchased from Petty by Frank Burnett who sold it to a woman named Nafey (sp?) who ran it at the Bonneville Salt Flats. She sold it to Jack McCoy and I purchased it after his death. I talked with Patrick McKinney (who has restored a Petty car) and he said that he thought that the floor boards and some other details were possibly from as early as 1968 (which means the car could have possibly been built then). Any help in identifying which races this car might have run in and in identifying when it was built (a possible Petty Superbird?) would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all for your help and I look forward to hearing from you.
Randy
pictures.
Randy
:popcrn: :drool5:
Quote from: Hemidog on March 09, 2010, 04:27:21 AM
:popcrn: :drool5:
:yesnod: good pictures :drool5: :popcrn:
so are there chassis numbers ?
and oh :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Those are definately factory frame rails on the front. Maybe Doug or someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think every Chrysler Nascar built '71 and up did not use the factory rails up front. This would pre-date it being a '71 car.
Justin
"CornDog"
That's what I was thinking too. The presence of factory subframe rails suggest the chassis was put together early enough for it to have worn a 68-70 car's skin.
Is this the car that has rumor/speculation possibility of being Pete Hamilton's Daytona 500 winning Petty Enterprise Superbird?
the Pete hamilton Superbird is being restored at petty's as we speak. I'm going to check it out saturday morning while i'm there.
I was just talking to my buddy Greg Rager about this car. He thinks the white wheel is out of a CHP Dodge. Says that was an exclusive to CHP. Interesting. Anybody know about the dash. Looks like a stock Plymouth part from '71 or '72?
:popcrn:
I'm going to be of no help on the questions,but cool car
but my hat is off to anyone who has the stones to even attempt a project of this nature
Quote from: gtx6970 on March 10, 2010, 10:33:24 PM
I'm going to be of no help on the questions,but cool car
but my hat is off to anyone who has the stones to even attempt a project of this nature
you can actually do a legit rebody and make it worth more :smilielol: :smilielol:
:popcrn:
:popcrn: im tuned
My 72 K&K Insurance car has factory front frame rails in it so that doesn't mean anything. The tranny crossmember looks to be a 71 and later Petty piece as well.
Quote from: tallzag on March 11, 2010, 09:31:42 PM
My 72 K&K Insurance car has factory front frame rails in it so that doesn't mean anything. The tranny crossmember looks to be a 71 and later Petty piece as well.
Maybe I'm thinking about the Nichels built cars. I'm not 100% positive. Maybe someone else will chime in with better info.
Justin
"CornDog"
I remember reading at some point that NASCAR was talked into allowing raw box tubing (for subframe rails) in either 1969 or 1970. The only thing the presence of factory subframes was still doing was making it more of a PITA to rebuild after wrecks. The chassis were so hand-built by the end of the 1960s that it was a formality to demand factory rails.
I don't know if the person recalling that date was correct or not. But I'm totally sure that's what he said, because it really stuck out in my mind for being so early. (I kept thinking, "Box tubing rails on wing cars?")
We all know there were cars on the tracks with factory rails for several years after that. Whatever the year technically was, I imagine it wasn't a rule kicking factory rails OFF the track. They probably just started to allow the option of using box tubing.
I know I've seen at least one (restored) 71-72 Mopar GN racer with the rails looking like raw box tubing. Can't be sure but it looked like it.
But I've also heard GM guys recalling that they still had to use chunks of factory frames to satisfy NASCAR into the mid-1970s, too. So I don't know what to make of that.
NASCAR began to allow Grand National teams to use fully fabricated (rather than stock reinforced) front snouts (front frame members from the firewall forward) in the middle of the 1969 season. The rules book continued to pay lip service to "stock frames" by requiring the use of at least stock side rails until sometime in the mid seventies. After that, it has been fully fabricated frames ever since.
Never Mind
Wow Matt, Great info there. That really sheds a lot of light on the history of the car. So now what to do with the car?? Restore it back as a 71/72 bodied GN car or back to the Bonneville car? Tough call.
Justin
"CornDog"
Never Mind
Looks like Scores must have had Ray Nichels fly out to build the front clip on the car for him (if the magazine story is to be believed).
Could have happened.
I guess.
Quote from: C5HM on March 14, 2010, 12:13:55 AM
Looks like Scores must have had Ray Nichels fly out to build the front clip on the car for him (if the magazine story is to be believed).
Could have happened.
I guess.
Ya know what. never mind. I knew I should have not gotten involved.
QuoteNASCAR began to allow Grand National teams to use fully fabricated (rather than stock reinforced) front snouts (front frame members from the firewall forward) in the middle of the 1969 season. The rules book continued to pay lip service to "stock frames" by requiring the use of at least stock side rails until sometime in the mid seventies. After that, it has been fully fabricated frames ever since.
Good confirming data about the rules, but does it tell us anything for sure about this particular car? I'm not sure yet.
If that framerail rule change was making box tubing optional (and not yet mandatory), then it only proves that this chassis MIGHT not have been built after 1969. We would still need to know when this car's chassis builder actually stopped using factory rails.
Quote from: DENCON on March 14, 2010, 12:16:04 AM
Quote from: C5HM on March 14, 2010, 12:13:55 AM
Looks like Scores must have had Ray Nichels fly out to build the front clip on the car for him (if the magazine story is to be believed).
Could have happened.
I guess.
Ya know what. never mind. I knew I should have not gotten involved.
Not exactly sure why you feel that way. Unless you have adpoted and now vouch for the data in the article, questioning that article is no reflection on you? And it certainly wasn't intended to be. Thanks for posting it here and on the modeler's forum.
The near identical configuration (in both large and small details) of the front clip in the COG Daytona photos (circa 1970) and the snout in the Plymouth under scrutiny do not support the
article's contention that the car is a Left Coast home built.
We have been working on the car for about a week and have straightened the front frame and changed a portion of the right rear frame rail and trunk floor. We are currently looking for the following parts: complete 426 hemi dry sump motor or parts to assemble a motor and a NASCAR red stripe gearbox. If anyone has any pictures of under the hood of a Petty Roadrunner they would be a great help in our restoration effort.
Randy
707-974-8061
Dont know if this guy has what your looking for .But has Petty archive pictures in all his albums
http://s707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/pmossberg/1968%20Daytona%20500%20Black%20Top%20Car/
http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/featuredvehicles/b_body/mopp_0904_1971_plymouth_roadrunner_exclusive_photos/photo_13.html
http://www.turbosracingphotos.com/OLDSTOCK/rpetty.htm
Not sure if you need it, but I think Howie here on the board is thinking about selling his hemi bathtub intake and nascar oil pan. He has a set of original Cotton Owens hemi headers but it may take some arm twisting to get them away from him.
Any good for your application
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BWP-426-Hemi-Billet-Dry-Sump-Gear-Drive,-NHRA,-NITRO_W0QQitemZ330412765085QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20100313?IMSfp=TL100313136009r13778
Quote from: Randy on March 08, 2010, 08:28:24 PM
I had trouble posting pictures in my last post so I am going to try again here. The history I have of the car is that it was purchased from Petty by Frank Burnett who sold it to a woman named Nafey (sp?) who ran it at the Bonneville Salt Flats. it was built (a possible Petty Superbird?) would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all for your help and I look forward to hearing from you. could have possibly been built She sold it to Jack McCoy and I purchased it after his death. I talked with Patrick McKinney (who has restored a Petty car) and he said that he thought that the floor boards and some other details were possibly from as early as 1968 (which means the car then). Any help in identifying which races this car might have run in and in identifying when
Randy
Hey I didn't see this earlier that this came from Jack McCoy,but I was selling Jack a set of Blue Streak tires for this car couple weeks before his death. Jack told me this was a Nichels chassis then and after studying the photos i would have to say this is not a Petty built car. it has the same exact fabricated firewall and front engine cage configuration as other nichels chassis i've seen.
Want to go a little more in depth here on this post. Couple guys posted on here that a West Coast guy like John Soares Jr. (it's spelled Soares) could not have built a new car but I have to disagree here. I've talked to Ernie Conn who was the owner and builder for Jack McCoy and they built a brand new car in 1971. He said Nichels flew out to their shop and helped them build the car and Chrysler gave them $4k a year to play with and they were given a lot of help. They could also buy all parts at cost. Dick Bown, another West Coast guy, also debuted a 71 Plymouth at the Riverside race on 6/20/71. Ray Elder used all hand-me-down cars (mostly from McCoy) but then built a new car for the 1972 season. They were both West Coast guys and had brand new cars. Don't know if anybody on here has the book "Racing's Real McCoy" but I would highly suggest getting it (it was written by Jack McCoy who recently passed away and the book is now out of print, I did manage to get a few copies if anybody on the board is interested, PM me). McCoy has a great picture in the book of the new car they were building for the 71 season that debuted at the Ontario Race on 2/28/71. They got a lot of factory help back in the day and Elder did as well. I do not know for a fact that Soares did but I have his phone number and am going to try and get a hold of him.
McCoy's book has every result from every Western Grand National Race from 1966-74 with finish, car number, Driver, and team/car. The "car" year or make can be inaccurate a lot of times but if you read between the lines or see the same car over and over again on a Northwest swing for example you can usually tell if it is accurate or not (plus a lot of the pictures in the book help). He has very little info on Soares in the book or pictures but the standings can tell you a lot of info. Soares ran a Superbird in 1970 and it looks like he ran that car until the San Jose Speedway race on 3/21/71 (which he won, the standings just say 70 Plymouth so not sure if he was still running wing car metal at that point). Soares skipped the Las Vegas race on 5/9/71 but went to the Stockton, CA race on 5/15/71 and it lists him as driving a 71 Plymouth. He then skipped the Ascot race on 6/5/71 and ran the Riverside race on 6/20/71 finishing 6th with the regular NASCAR ciruit. Soares then race at Salem, OR on 6/26/71, Tacoma, WA on 7/2/71, Mount Vernon, WA on 7/4/71 all in a 71 Plymouth. It gets a little weird after that race though, he ran the Hermiston, OR race on 7/10/71 in a 71 Chevy, the Portland, OR race on 7/11/71 in a 71 Plymouth and finished last (crash?), the Langley, BC race on 7/13/71 in a 71 Dodge (this might be an error like I mentioned earlier), and the Medford, OR race on 7/16/71 in a 71 Plymouth. I have a feeling all of those races were in a 71 Plymouth and the results are incorrect in the book. He then ran Roseburg, OR on 7/17/71 in a 71 Plymouth and according to the race results he ran a 70 Plymouth in every race after that until the end of the year. Looking through the 72 and 73 season they do not list him racing a 71 Plymouth again but he did run a 71 Dodge a couple of times. Take what you will from this info. Did he wreck it when he stopped running the 71? Who knows. That car does have damage to it like it was in a wreck.
Could the Plymouth have been---assembled---on the Left Coast? Possibly, if all of the fabricated subcomponents depicted were stamped/machine/drilled and then sent West to be welded up. Is that likely? That remains to be seen. It would seem to be contrary to logic, though. If you have all of the fabricated subcomponents in one place (say Nichles engineering) why not go ahead and weld them up? Then there is the great similarity between known Nichels chassis and the new Plymouth. If you study, for example, the engine box of the car under scrutiny, the details are just about identical to the shots of the COG Daytona circa 1970 in this thread. It beggars the imagination to contend that Soares or McCoy could have come that identically close to a Nichels chassis independently of Nichels. Can't imagine that happening. Comparison point: in the early 70s H&M was still building cars and, at the same time, they were also selling "you-weld-it-kits" for folks who had their own welder. Tiger Tom Pistone bought and built a number of cars from those kits. I have seen and worked on both H&M cars and Pistone cars built during that time period and can tell you from that experience that H&M built cars are grossly different in many large and small ways from Pistone built cars. And this was so even though Pistone's shop was just across town (and NOT across the continent) from H&M. It follows that a Soares or McCoy built car---even if assembled from Nichels/Petty subcomponents---would necessarily be grossly differenty from a Nichels or Petty built chassis. Yet, the Plymouth seems to contradict that expectation. It will be interesting to see what Randy turns up about the history of this car pre-Soares/McCoy.
lot of intresting reading going on here !! love this kind of stuff :popcrn:
Let's take a look at what is known about this car....
1. Frank Burnett said he bought the car from Richard Petty – year? This should explain the blue paint.
2. Petty cars were built by Nichels Engineering until Petty got the Chrysler deal in 1970 and started building his own cars.
3. In the book, The Real McCoy, all of the West Coast races are listed as well as the finishing positions, etc. I cannot find where Frank Burnett ever entered a race with this car. Also, John Soares told me that he did not believe Frank ever raced the car.
4. The car was sold to a woman with the last name of Nafey (sp?) and her husband. She raced it at Bonneville in 1990-1991. Sorry I missed the magazine article that was posted and then removed. But I think it is clear from the photos that they did not change the car significantly from the way Petty had built it. They even ran Frank's number on it. (They just put a "1" in front of the "34".)
5. This car has never been any color other than Petty blue. There is no evidence that it was ever painted after it left Petty's. (Or that it was ever sandblasted, stripped or repainted.) The car only had two owners between Richard Petty and Jack McCoy (who purchased it in approximately 2005). Neither of them modified the car significantly from its original configuration.
6. It seems to me that it is clear that Petty owned it. The question is what races he ran it in and in what configuration.
In order to resolve these questions it would be helpful to be able to find photos showing details of the interior or under the hood that were unique to this car. Any help in this would be appreciated.
Thanks, Randy
Randy, What color was the car this Soares fellow raced? If they were some color other than Petty Blue, one would expect remnants of Soares' livery to still be evident at least in nooks and crannies. Of course, it Soares raced Petty Blue cars, that's another kettle of fish. Do you, or anyone here know what color(s) Soares car was?
A few observations:
The pictures Doug posted earlier in this thread are of a 73-74 RoadRunner, not a 71-72. Yes, I know that the sheet metal can rather easily be changed, but to the best of my knowledge, Petty never ran a 73-74 Plymouth. He switched from the Plymouth to the Dodge for the 72 Winston 500 at Talladega. He may have run the 72 Plymouth a few more times in 72, but, IIRC he stuck with the Charger body all of 73-77, til he went to the 78 Magnum.
71 and up Plymouths and Dodges had a steeper slope to the windshield compared to the 68-70 body style. If conversions were made, the roll cage modifications should be very obvious. I don't see any blatant re-welds that would indicate this change on the interior pix. And what's with the 'stock' instrument panel with the racing cluster and a locking steering column?
Roll cage bulges out into the door shell. To me that indicates a mid 70 or later cage, since earlier versions would leave room for window mechanisms.
Look at the Petty pictures Doug posted in another thread when he took the Ramo Stott #7 'Bird. STP red is evident under the hood more than Petty blue in some pictures. Petty had the STP sponsorship starting in 72. I don't know what year the red made it to the underhood area, but it's an interesting question.
Quote from: Randy on March 18, 2010, 08:06:38 PM
Let's take a look at what is known about this car....
2. Petty cars were built by Nichels Engineering until Petty got the Chrysler deal in 1970 and started building his own cars.
Even in the Nichels days, Petty had an arrangement with Chrysler to construct his own cars. I am not sure whether this meant he got some basic stuff from Nichels and finished it, or started from scratch with a body in white on their own jig.
" How come in former lifetimes everybody is someone famous? I mean, how come nobody ever says they were "Joe Schmoe ?"" - Kevin Costner in Bull Durham.
I hope this is the frame of the car that Pete Hamilton won the Daytona 500 with, it would be a great find, the Holy Grail and a great story.
From what I've seen so far, I believe it had a CHP steering wheel and was raced at Bonneville. Someone built a nice roll cage (was it a Petty car, a Kit car, a Nichols car something someone put together in another shop ? I sure don't know and I'd like to know). It has old Blue Paint on it. It has specially fabricated parts.
I hope someone can show what it is.
These are photos of a 1971 Petty Roadrunner from the disk brake test at Martinsville. George Wallace, an engineer at Chrysler Corporation took the photos. The car is running a 426 Wedge.
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll56/Aero426/USAC/Greg1.jpg)
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll56/Aero426/USAC/Greg2-1.jpg)
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll56/Aero426/USAC/Greg2-3.jpg)
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll56/Aero426/USAC/Greg2-2.jpg)
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll56/Aero426/USAC/curiousblue1.jpg)
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll56/Aero426/USAC/curiousblue.jpg)
This rear subframe rail doesn't look like a 1966-70 item to my eyes. There's not enough horizontal area at the top of the axle arch.
Figure out the source of that rail, and it might tell us something about the car (assuming that rail is original to the rest of the chassis.)
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67613.0;attach=122816;image)
Pics of the car from the early 70's.
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l50/MotoBrittB/MOPAR%20Racing/1AAAPettyroadrunner36-1.jpg)
Sorry for the size but you really need to see the full size picture to see any details.
(http://rocketresto.com/Pettyroadrunner36.jpg)
:popcrn:
Another Petty car from the 1973 DC World of Wheels. Note the underhood bar configuration is similar to the Petty test 1971 Road Runner and Petty Magnum, but is not like Randy's car. This photo is from the Petty fan board. The Hemi in there looks like it isn't sitting right.
Quote from: Aero426 on March 22, 2010, 03:22:24 PM
Another Petty car from the 1973 DC World of Wheels. Note the underhood bar configuration is similar to the Petty test 1971 Road Runner and Petty Magnum, but is not like Randy's car. This photo is from the Petty fan board. The Hemi in there looks like it isn't sitting right.
almost like there is no trans in it ?
Sure looks like it. Looks wierd doesn't it?
whatever that cars history it its badassed and I wished it was mine.
:iagree: yep ! me too , :yesnod:
good lot of pictures !! thanks for posting :cheers: :cheers: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Aero426 on March 22, 2010, 03:22:24 PM
Another Petty car from the 1973 DC World of Wheels. Note the underhood bar configuration is similar to the Petty test 1971 Road Runner and Petty Magnum, but is not like Randy's car. This photo is from the Petty fan board. The Hemi in there looks like it isn't sitting right.
That motor has to set down a ways for the air pickup/cleaner to line up with the fire wall.
Well, there is a lot of vintage photo proof here that proves your car is not a Petty car. Are you going to keep researching it to find out who's car it really was?" Obviously, you want to restore it properly and not have a bogus car...
Quote from: 1RareBird on April 09, 2010, 08:14:46 PM
Well, there is a lot of vintage photo proof here that proves your car is not a Petty car. Are you going to keep researching it to find out who's car it really was?" Obviously, you want to restore it properly and not have a bogus car...
Randy made the car into what he wanted it to be from the jump: a Petty car. Evidence to the contrary notwithstanding. It has been sold as such to a perhaps, too gullible collector.
Car could and should have been easily restored to its original configuration as a Winston West car.
It has been said, Doug, that *money changes everything*.
I have a shot of the chassis today in faux Petty trim. But since I am unwilling to pay the Photobucket tariff...I can's post it. Will you? (Sent you a couple via the Bat Phone).
Shots of the finished car courtesy of C5HM. As you can see the owner has a number of legit GN and other vintage race cars.
Quote from: 1RareBird on April 09, 2010, 08:14:46 PM
Well, there is a lot of vintage photo proof here that proves your car is not a Petty car. Are you going to keep researching it to find out who's car it really was?" Obviously, you want to restore it properly and not have a bogus car...
Perhaps the new owner can continue to research the car? :shruggy:
Would be interesting to find out what it really is..... :popcrn: :popcrn:
Car was built and raced by John Soares no Petty connection whatsoever. and not rebodied from John's Superbird . new chassis.
Sold to the current owner as a 1971 Petty car.
Posted for wingcarbuilder. I will let him explain the photo.
Quote from: Aero426 on September 25, 2017, 02:24:40 PM
Sold to the current owner as a 1971 Petty car.
So, current owned got screwed? :shruggy:
Quote from: odcics2 on September 27, 2017, 09:31:44 AM
Quote from: Aero426 on September 25, 2017, 02:24:40 PM
Sold to the current owner as a 1971 Petty car.
So, current owned got screwed? :shruggy:
Based on the photos in the public domain, it would be my opinion that he got a documented Grand National West 1971 Plymouth painted light blue with #43 on the doors.