he doesn't show a picture of the parts
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Plymouth-Superbird-Complete-Superbird-Body-Kit-from-Ted-Janex_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6387QQihZ010QQitemZ200176037695QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
needs pictures
A picture is worth a thousand words :popcrn:!
what do they cost new ? arent they close to that ?
I have his premium Daytona kit and I found his craftmanship very high quality. He is very passionate about all of the work he does in every part of his life. Price? I payed a lot. I feel I got a good deal. I would have been happy paying more. Especially compared to the price of a correct nose cone.
Quote from: Johnny Daytona on November 20, 2007, 02:41:53 PM
I have his premium Daytona kit and I found his craftmanship very high quality. He is very passionate about all of the work he does in every part of his life. Price? I payed a lot. I feel I got a good deal. I would have been happy paying more. Especially compared to the price of a correct nose cone.
thanks ted junior
Give a honest answer and you get accused of having a brown nose and sweaty cheeks.
Quote from: Johnny Daytona on November 20, 2007, 02:57:32 PM
Give a honest answer and you get accused of having a brown nose and sweaty cheeks.
Don't worry about it, sometimes you just need thicker skin on the forums. :D
I have Ted Janak's Daytona parts & they are just like you said, top quality. :cheers:
Johnny, you get that from workin hard and keeping your nose to the grindstone :Twocents:. I got my kit from Janak as well. He does do very good work. He also likes to talk a lot. Met him when I picked up the remaining pieces to my kit and he is a nice guy.
Quote from: Johnny Daytona on November 20, 2007, 02:57:32 PM
Give a honest answer and you get accused of having a brown nose and sweaty cheeks.
i wasnt refuring to his quality although my wing washers sucked for my bird flemsy but he charged me 35.00 for special packaging and shipping on them. Then i got an old fridge box cut out and the parts rolled up in it , with leafs and pine needles for packing. JUst my :Twocents: :Twocents: :Twocents:
Quote from: moparstuart on November 20, 2007, 03:23:40 PM
Quote from: Johnny Daytona on November 20, 2007, 02:57:32 PM
Give a honest answer and you get accused of having a brown nose and sweaty cheeks.
i wasnt refuring to his quality although my wing washers sucked for my bird flemsy but he charged me 35.00 for special packaging and shipping on them. Then i got an old fridge box cut out and the parts rolled up in it , with leafs and pine needles for packing. JUst my :Twocents: :Twocents: :Twocents:
I am not going to argue you on that.I was not going to install my washers with out a renforcement plate sandwitched between them. I am glad that some one picked up on my referal to passionate. Better have a good long distance phone plan before calling. :cheers:
if you use an aluminum wing i recommend using metal wing washers . if you use a fiberglass wing, it doesn't matter cause it's gonna come off at high speeds anyway. :D
Quote from: Old Moparz on November 20, 2007, 03:01:39 PM
Quote from: Johnny Daytona on November 20, 2007, 02:57:32 PM
Give a honest answer and you get accused of having a brown nose and sweaty cheeks.
Don't worry about it, sometimes you just need thicker skin on the forums. :D
I have Ted Janak's Daytona parts & they are just like you said, top quality. :cheers:
Thanks. My skin is plenty thick all of the scars from all of the header burns in the heat of battle. I wished we had raced a hemi.
It is real hard for me not to let my smart a** take over the key board. I have been accused of being the Tierney of evil men . But I trying real hard to be the Sheppard.
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 20, 2007, 04:08:59 PM
if you use an aluminum wing i recommend using metal wing washers . if you use a fiberglass wing, it doesn't matter cause it's gonna come off at high speeds anyway. :D
Sounds like words spoken from experience.
Spell check in aisle three
Quote from: Howie on November 20, 2007, 03:04:39 PM
Johnny, you get that from workin hard and keeping your nose to the grindstone :Twocents:. I got my kit from Janak as well. He does do very good work. He also likes to talk a lot. Met him when I picked up the remaining pieces to my kit and he is a nice guy.
Thanks Howie
But speaking of work. What are we all doing here in the middle of the afternoon. Don't we have jobs to do. :shruggy:
So what speed is high speed? What comes apart; the mounting bolts from the glass? Today was about 79deg and like Spring. I should have been outside instead of on the pc. I work the weekend shift and then off during the week :icon_smile_big:.
QuoteI have been accused of being the Tierney of evil men .
do you know Daytonalo :angel:
QuoteSo what speed is high speed
over 100mph . some wings shake.
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 20, 2007, 04:08:59 PM
if you use an aluminum wing i recommend using metal wing washers . if you use a fiberglass wing, it doesn't matter cause it's gonna come off at high speeds anyway. :D
i bought my bird washers years ago and fiberglass was all that was out them , we just used them for looks and steel reinforced the top of the quarter. they acctually worked out great for looks wise because the convertible mechinism would have hit them( in steel or glass) and the fiberglass was easier to notch out for the top assmeble to slide though . but yes may daytona is getting larry's (daytonalo steel ones) danes solid wing ya know
yea i have a pair of Daytonalo's. they look great. plus you can weld them to the trunk channel like the originals. Rene
Quote from: oldcarnut on November 20, 2007, 05:25:50 PM
So what speed is high speed? What comes apart; the mounting bolts from the glass? Today was about 79deg and like Spring. I should have been outside instead of on the pc. I work the weekend shift and then off during the week :icon_smile_big:.
The mounting bolts on Janek's glass wings don't bolt into glass. !!!
All bolts are threaded into aluminum inserts inside the wing. The uprights have aluminum inserts and the blade has an aluminum insert all of the way through it. All mounting points are aluminum to aluminum. Besides, the wing looks more like a cast resin part than a fiberglass part, similar to his fender scoops. Some of the other repro guys build cheap all fiberglass wings but not Janek. I've seen all four styles of Daytona wings, all fiberglass, fiberglass (cast?) with aluminum inserts, solid aluminum and hollow aluminum. I think that for the money, the Janek wing is right up there with the hollow aluminum wing and much cheaper.
My bird wing is yet another style. It's a round bar frame with a steel skin.
If anyone wants to get rid of their Janek parts, let me know. I still need fender scoops and the front valance. Janek parts would be just fine with me.
I build aircraft assemblies that gets shipped off to boeing in seattle. We used to be boeing till we got sold off so boeing doesn`t have to pay us retirement. I check the computer a few times a day. Shoulda had the day off cause it was awsome out.
Enjoyed the 80 degree day out hauling the new paint booth to the shop. It's going to be cold on turkey day with the high in the mid 50's.
Oh well...next week it'll be back in the 80's. :icon_smile_cool:
QuoteI think that for the money, the Janek wing is right up there with the hollow aluminum wing and much cheaper.
Dude! it might be a great wing, for a fiberglass wing but you can't compare it to a aluminum wing . i know we're not gonna do 200 mph but an aluminum wing is closer to an original and will function more like an original . to me a fiberglass wing takes value away from the car. money wise i had to settle for a fiberglass nose but the money difference isn't that much. go for the aluminum . :Twocents:
Rene
Quote from: moparstuart on November 20, 2007, 03:23:40 PM
Quote from: Johnny Daytona on November 20, 2007, 02:57:32 PM
Give a honest answer and you get accused of having a brown nose and sweaty cheeks.
i wasnt refuring to his quality although my wing washers sucked for my bird flemsy but he charged me 35.00 for special packaging and shipping on them. Then i got an old fridge box cut out and the parts rolled up in it , with leafs and pine needles for packing. JUst my :Twocents: :Twocents: :Twocents:
That's funny. His yard is full of pine trees. I lived in Spring Texas back in the 80's, just a few miles from him. Pine trees are everywhere.
I dont know if this daytona scoop is a left or a right .Its a promo piece Ted made for me. I took it to shows with me
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.I did have a lower valance with slight damage but old moparz got it from me
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 20, 2007, 09:17:10 PM
QuoteI think that for the money, the Janek wing is right up there with the hollow aluminum wing and much cheaper.
Dude! it might be a great wing, for a fiberglass wing but you can't compare it to a aluminum wing . i know we're not gonna do 200 mph but an aluminum wing is closer to an original and will function more like an original . to me a fiberglass wing takes value away from the car. money wise i had to settle for a fiberglass nose but the money difference isn't that much. go for the aluminum . :Twocents:
Rene
Too late. It's already on the car. Besides, Howie made me a deal that I couldn't refuse. ;D
Quote from: hotrod98 on November 20, 2007, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 20, 2007, 09:17:10 PM
QuoteI think that for the money, the Janek wing is right up there with the hollow aluminum wing and much cheaper.
Dude! it might be a great wing, for a fiberglass wing but you can't compare it to a aluminum wing . i know we're not gonna do 200 mph but an aluminum wing is closer to an original and will function more like an original . to me a fiberglass wing takes value away from the car. money wise i had to settle for a fiberglass nose but the money difference isn't that much. go for the aluminum . :Twocents:
Rene
Too late. It's already on the car. Besides, Howie made me a deal that I couldn't refuse. ;D
Lookin' Good, Larry!
Both the shop AND the car ! :2thumbs:
Thanks. As soon as the paint booth is in place, the fun begins. My wife wants me to finish her bird clone first, but I'm leaning towards finishing the Daytona clone first. I'll bet she wins.
All of this while working on customer's cars at the same time. The plan is to work on customer's cars Monday through Thursday and then work on my cars Friday through Sunday as time allows. I have to have a plan or my cars will never get finished.
looks good Bro , that big wing on the back of a charger always gets me excited . who makes an aluminum superbird wing? besides dayclona. Rene
we need some new pics of your shop .
Don`t know about an aluminum superbird wing but Dane makes the best looking hollow aluminum wing. I had to have one for my nascar creation. It is a work of love and art. It is a little heavier than the janak wing but worth it to me. I wanted to bring it to St Louis but was unable to. It is truly an awsome piece. Larry now has my janak wing as you can see by his pics.
Quote from: hotrod98 on November 20, 2007, 09:21:03 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on November 20, 2007, 03:23:40 PM
Quote from: Johnny Daytona on November 20, 2007, 02:57:32 PM
Give a honest answer and you get accused of having a brown nose and sweaty cheeks.
i wasnt refuring to his quality although my wing washers sucked for my bird flemsy but he charged me 35.00 for special packaging and shipping on them. Then i got an old fridge box cut out and the parts rolled up in it , with leafs and pine needles for packing. JUst my :Twocents: :Twocents: :Twocents:
That's funny. His yard is full of pine trees. I lived in Spring Texas back in the 80's, just a few miles from him. Pine trees are everywhere.
yeah charged me 35.00 for special packing and used free pine needles, i just have to laugh every time i here his name
Hey Stuart, That is special texas pine needles packin. Better than popcorn :smilielol:.
Quote from: Howie on November 21, 2007, 10:33:35 AM
Hey Stuart, That is special texas pine needles packin. Better than popcorn :smilielol:.
oh sorry i guess i should have known
QuoteSo what speed is high speed
over 100mph . some wings shake.
Quote
I didn'rt realize the glass wings shook and did that. I haven't seen how any of them were built except one pic of a wing someone was selling that looked like it had long studs molded into the fiberglass. Just want to make sure it doesn't happen to to me. Thanks hotrod for explaining some of the differences. Guess I got a lot to learn but its good info. to get hold of.
Quote from: oldcarnut on November 21, 2007, 11:21:08 AM
QuoteSo what speed is high speed
over 100mph . some wings shake.
Quote
I didn'rt realize the glass wings shook and did that. I haven't seen how any of them were built except one pic of a wing someone was selling that looked like it had long studs molded into the fiberglass. Just want to make sure it doesn't happen to to me. Thanks hotrod for explaining some of the differences. Guess I got a lot to learn but its good info. to get hold of.
that wing causes a hell of alot of down force wing should really be properly installed/supported to run high speeds
Quote from: moparstuart on November 21, 2007, 12:42:45 PM
Quote from: oldcarnut on November 21, 2007, 11:21:08 AM
QuoteSo what speed is high speed
over 100mph . some wings shake.
Quote
I didn'rt realize the glass wings shook and did that. I haven't seen how any of them were built except one pic of a wing someone was selling that looked like it had long studs molded into the fiberglass. Just want to make sure it doesn't happen to to me. Thanks hotrod for explaining some of the differences. Guess I got a lot to learn but its good info. to get hold of.
that wing causes a hell of alot of down force wing should really be properly installed/supported to run high speeds
I disagree - to a point. If you set it right it will generate zero lift and zero down force. Just don't drive at 150 mph with it at 12 degrees down (or up!!!) and you should be fine. Judging from my experience this summer most of them will never see the high side of 30 mph....
There's a reason the wing cars weren't used extensively on short tracks right? Probably because there's little or no benefit from the aero package at low(er) speeds? How many guys (truly) will have their cars much above the posted limit - under their own power?
I'd also like to see proof that the repro wings really have this problem (rather than hearsay and rumors).
Troy
I'll bet money that my Janek wing will never shake at the speeds that I'll be driving.
If you think that running at 150 mph with a resin wing is going to be a problem, then maybe it would be in your best interest to buy the auminum wing as well as the steel nose and z-braces.
Seems like the guys bragging about their aluminum wings are all running fiberglass noses.
Besides, just how big is that motor going to have to be to push that 4000 lb brick to over 150 mph? ;D
As for functionality, that big wing on my alcohol dragster did absolutely nothing for downforce until I reached speeds of over 150 mph. And even then it was not really doing a whole lot until I reached 180 mph or so. Ever notice that the super comp dragsters that are running 150 mph quit using wings a few years ago. There's a reason for that. The wings were casuing more drag than downforce and that was with a 1200 lb car.
And Tony's right, with the blade set at zero, it's not going to do very much anyway. There's not a whole lot of difference in the length of the two sides (top and bottom) of a Daytona wing. It's the difference in the distance that the air moves across the surfaces of the wing that produces lift or negative lift (downforce). The biggest advantage to the wings on the stock cars was that those big uprights helped stabalize the cars and the air was moving across that wing at 200 mph. Also remember, the wing on the stock cars were not fixed in the level position as it will be on most of our cars. Just my 2 cents worth.
QuoteI'd also like to see proof that the repro wings really have this problem (rather than hearsay and rumors).
i read about that in a winged warrior article many yrs ago . it did not say what maker wing it was . I've also seen cracked and broken fiberglass wings on ebay . I've also discussed, on a differant wing car site. that these cars squat at high speeds . owners have felt that and i don't think they where going 200 mph. so there is downforce on them .
plus real wing car owners use to luv to sit on there wings to prove that it was real. you can do that with the aluminum wing.
if your building a replica wing car and have a chance to use an aluminum wing over fiberglass. why wouldn't you? it makes the car more correct. plus then all the wing braces in the trunk make sense.
Rene
I hadn't seen any evidence of it. I'll go look for some. The nose does provide some down force as well. However, the wing is adjustable so it can be tuned. At high speed it doesn't take much of an angle to generate the down force and at a certain point the increased drag outweighs the benefit (kinda like a parachute). Slower speeds would require a large angle of attack to get any effect. If you set the wing at a high angle and then went really fast I imagine you could break all sorts of things. Lots of new cars have fiberglass or plastic wings and they don't come apart. The difference is that they are set to a flat angle of attack and are just along for the ride. That's what I was getting at.
For what it's worth, the best I can figure is that the factory wing was easily capable of generating 700 pounds of down force. I have no idea if they ever ran them in the configuration to produce it or if the actual aluminum would withstand it. The center is extruded which is much stronger/less brittle than cast so I assume the engineers took that into account.
I'm not saying that fiberglass is fine (or better) but who has actually tested either? Again, I just don't see a lot of clone or wing car owners ever finding out (since the real effect doesn't kick in until 100+). If you plan on traveling at race speed then buy race/factory parts that have been proven. If you're only going to winch your car on and off the trailer then who cares?
Troy
Never heard about any high speed fiberglass failures on Lee Scilios speed record setting daytona
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A The Daytona Charger Lee Sicillo 8/06 248.125
Keep it under 248 MPH
You guys are all forgetting about one, truly important, difference, & that is which wing can pass the knuckle rap test?
There is a distinct sound difference between both wings that will be tested at almost every car show when the owner isn't looking at which Neanderthal is near their car. I can perform this test here at home, but will only have the results for Ted's fiberglass wing, & Dane's solid aluminum wing. Maybe I should bring both wings to Carlisle next year, plan on meeting someone with a hollow wing from Dane so we have a 3 way comparison. Might be good to do this & get a bunch of photos we can post here with the test results.
:D
For those who are saying that an alluminum hollow wing is much closer to being origional versus a fiberglass one that Janek makes, does it really matter? To me all that matters is the first 6 digits of the VIN. If it doesn't start XX29L9B, or XX29J9B it doesn't mean diddle squat if it has a fiberglass wing or an alluminum, or a titanium, or solid gold wing. :cheers:
Figured someone was going to say it.
Quote from: 69_500 on November 21, 2007, 09:08:12 PM
For those who are saying that an aluminum hollow wing is much closer to being original versus a fiberglass one that Janek makes, does it really matter? To me all that matters is the first 6 digits of the VIN. If it doesn't start XX29L9B, or XX29J9B it doesn't mean diddle squat if it has a fiberglass wing or an aluminum, or a titanium, or solid gold wing. :cheers:
Figured someone was going to say it.
solid gold!!! now you're talking!!! :2thumbs:
Quote from: 69_500 on November 21, 2007, 09:08:12 PM
For those who are saying that an alluminum hollow wing is much closer to being origional versus a fiberglass one that Janek makes, does it really matter? To me all that matters is the first 6 digits of the VIN. If it doesn't start XX29L9B, or XX29J9B it doesn't mean diddle squat if it has a fiberglass wing or an alluminum, or a titanium, or solid gold wing. :cheers:
Figured someone was going to say it.
I spend 30k on a car that I can drive the wheels off of or sell all of my cars and spend 250k on a real wingcar and drive (maybe trailer) it to a wing car meet once or twice a year. I'll just buy some cloner parts and take my 69 out for a drive. :yesnod:
I sold my real 71 cuda because it sat in the garage while I drove the 71 clone everywhere. (Of course I bought the real cuda back as soon as the new owner got hard up for money.)
I love and respect the real mopar musclecars (I own a few), but I always seem to enjoy the clones a lot more. I guess I'm just different.
Quote from: Old Moparz on November 21, 2007, 08:57:30 PM
There is a distinct sound difference between both wings that will be tested at almost every car show when the owner isn't looking at which Neanderthal is near their car.
I know the sound very well. If you have crappy paint they knock all sorts of places on the car in front of you. I want to knock on some of their heads.
If they ASK first, hell, they can do just about anything they want short of driving it. It's all in the approach...
I wasn't meaning that I have a problem with clones, I was just making a point. If your cloning a car, use whatever means you have possible. If you have the fund for a janek piece use it, if you have the money to buy more expensive parts then go for it. I was just saying that regardless if it has a real wing, a janek wing, or a wooden wing, and its on a clone there is no difference. You build what you like, and drive it like you want to drive it. Its each persons car, and they can do with them as they see fit and choose to do so.
I was just saying that to me however it doesn't matter how nice the clone is, its still not real. I admire the work that people put into cloning these cars, and I even enjoy looking at them. Wouldn't mind having one possibly in the future. Not even 1/1,000,000,000th as much as I want a real one though.
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Quote from: 69_500 on November 22, 2007, 09:20:35 AM
Wouldn't mind having one possibly in the future. Not even 1/1,000,000,000th as much as I want a real one though.
I had to quote that Danny, it's the first time I ever recall you saying you'd have any interest in a clone at all. :D
I understand your point of wanting a real one instead though, I know I'd want one. It's just that for me, the cost to own the real deal far exceeds whatever value I would ever consider one to be worth. Way back when a clean, winged, driver sold for about $15K, I actually thought owning one was well within reach. At that time, I had just bought my house so it never happened. Once people started paying more for these cars than what houses sell for, well I gave up the idea entirely.
Quote from: 69_500 on November 22, 2007, 09:20:35 AM
I wasn't meaning that I have a problem with clones, I was just making a point. If your cloning a car, use whatever means you have possible. If you have the fund for a janek piece use it, if you have the money to buy more expensive parts then go for it. I was just saying that regardless if it has a real wing, a janek wing, or a wooden wing, and its on a clone there is no difference. You build what you like, and drive it like you want to drive it. Its each persons car, and they can do with them as they see fit and choose to do so.
I was just saying that to me however it doesn't matter how nice the clone is, its still not real. I admire the work that people put into cloning these cars, and I even enjoy looking at them. Wouldn't mind having one possibly in the future. Not even 1/1,000,000,000th as much as I want a real one though.
I actually didn't take offense at all, but was just kind of using what you said to get my idea out there as to what's important to me when it comes to musclecars. Looking back, I never really chose a car because of it's originality or pedigree. I just bought a car based on how I felt about it's looks, etc. I would come nearer buying a cheaper clone that was nice over an original that needed work. More "fun factor" for the money.
The "real" musclecars that I own just sort of came into my life. I never actually went out looking for them.
The odd thing about these cars is that when they were everywhere no one wanted them.
i hate that word clone. i drive what i like but there is a big deference between replicas . my superbitrd clone had a wooden wing with resin over it. it looked pretty good. I'm hoping to do better with this one . Rene
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 22, 2007, 02:25:28 PM
i hate that word clone. i drive what i like but there is a big deference between replicas . my superbitrd clone had a wooden wing with resin over it. it looked pretty good. I'm hoping to do better with this one . Rene
I hate that word clone too. I am going to call my car something that justifies why I want one so much.
In 1970 I was 8. There were 2 race cars that changed forever the way I saw racing. Cars you could clearly see the difference in speed compared to the competition. Winged Chrysler's and The Chaparral 2J Can Am. Both were innovative and both were ruled out of existence. And I have wanted to have both of them ever since. I will have my Daytona. Then a Chaparral ? We'll see. Tribute is cheesy but fits. any suggestions? John
RECREATION !!!!!!!!!! :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 22, 2007, 02:25:28 PM
i hate that word clone. i drive what i like but there is a big deference between replicas . my superbitrd clone had a wooden wing with resin over it. it looked pretty good. I'm hoping to do better with this one . Rene
i'm a cloner and I have no problem with the word clone
:Twocents:
You can call it whatever you wish, but it doesn't change what it is. Heck you can even quote Shakespeare on this one.
Juliet:
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."
Romeo and Juliet (II, ii, 1-2)
Its still what it is, a clone.
I'll admit that I have an interest in the clones, but if you finish reading that quote you'll notice its not a very large amount in comparison to the origionals. I think that if you count all of the parts on all of the origional 500 Daytona's that you'd still be short of the 1 Billion number. But yeah, a small interest is still an interest though right?
alot of people clean it up and call it a tribute , happy medium ?
Quoteand The Chaparral 2J Can
i've always dug those cars too
QuoteI'll admit that I have an interest in the clones, but if you finish reading that quote you'll notice its not a very large amount in comparison to the origionals. I think that if you count all of the parts on all of the origional 500 Daytona's that you'd still be short of the 1 Billion number. But yeah, a small interest is still an interest though right?
:nana: :cheers:
Shouldn't I mention that I don't really care for the Birds though? Especially those white one? Oh wait thats right, dad had one of those too. :slap: I guess they are okay then.
Ah okay so I like the Birds too, just not as much as the 500's and Daytona's. Although more than clones though, quite a bit more.
Quote from: 69_500 on November 23, 2007, 04:10:21 PM
Shouldn't I mention that I don't really care for the Birds though? Especially those white one? Oh wait thats right, dad had one of those too. :slap: I guess they are okay then.
Ah okay so I like the Birds too, just not as much as the 500's and Daytona's. Although more than clones though, quite a bit more.
Would you drive a real one on the street? Burn a tank of gas a weekend on average during the summer time?
Quote from: Johnny Daytona on November 24, 2007, 01:28:34 AM
Quote from: 69_500 on November 23, 2007, 04:10:21 PM
Shouldn't I mention that I don't really care for the Birds though? Especially those white one? Oh wait thats right, dad had one of those too. :slap: I guess they are okay then.
Ah okay so I like the Birds too, just not as much as the 500's and Daytona's. Although more than clones though, quite a bit more.
Would you drive a real one on the street? Burn a tank of gas a weekend on average during the summer time?
You don't know Danny very well do you? :D I think a tank of gas a weekend would be the bare minimum.
Troy
:drive: Ain't that the truth!
I think I only put about 1,400 miles on the 500 this year. Which is by far the lowest amount I've put on it in a year since I bought it.
QuoteShouldn't I mention that I don't really care for the Birds though? Especially those white one
i know you like birds . your dad seems like a cool guy. Rene
Quote from: 69_500 on November 24, 2007, 11:02:26 AM
I think I only put about 1,400 miles on the 500 this year. Which is by far the lowest amount I've put on it in a year since I bought it.
:notworthy:
I am humble. You are the man. You keeping it real, and you are taking it to the streets.
Where I have issues with the self proclaim purists is when they spout off about how bad another mans car is and how much better theirs is. But theirs is locked away in some climate controlled tomb.
For all of the guys building copy's of the real thing I say good for you. But do your best at it. You are giving back the experience you had when you saw your first wingcar. So make it the best one you can. Taking innocence is so much fun. John
No definatley not the man. I just drive my 500 because that is what it was meant for. It wasn't meant to be parked in a garage, and only stared at by me. I love seeing people's faces when they see the car driving down the road. OH and my car is far from perfect, and far from being all origional. It has many flaws, and many scratches, and many things that need to be changed back to origional for my liking as well. But I do enjoy dirving it.
Quote from: 69_500 on November 24, 2007, 11:02:26 AM
I think I only put about 1,400 miles on the 500 this year. Which is by far the lowest amount I've put on it in a year since I bought it.
Slacker! I put 4,200 on the Barracuda since Labor day (part of that was chasing you in your gas guzzler). :P We'll be more even next summer...
Troy
Is 1400 miles the new bae for worship? Heck--a couple of us put that many on just getting to the end of Power Tour ;)
I think Joanne is the one who puts a lot of miles on her car. What did she put on last year about 6,000?
And I know I've said it before, but Danny, your car is a lot nicer than you sometimes give it credit for.
nah, Joanne, and Doug are the ones who have nice Aero cars but drive them. I'd trade Joanne cars in a heartbeat.
I like Danny's car. I think he has to put it down so that he won't regret selling it when he finds a Daytona. ;)
By the way, auction is at $8,100.00 and still hasn't met reserve.
Troy
Oh believe me, it wouldn't matter if it was a Gold OE Certified Charger 500 I wouldn't regret selling it to buy a Daytona. I do like the 500's, like them a lot, just not nearly as much as I :drool5: after every Daytona I see.
And by the way, I didn't think that you liked any Charger except for those 68's Troy? At least everytime I walk around a show with you those are the ones you look at, well and those crazy old E bodies.
My name is Jim Palazzolo. In 1993 after doing some research I bought a superbird kit from Ted. I had already seen his ads for years with pictures of the kit parts laid out on a driveway next to a superbird. Ted was very patient and answered all my questions, and I was very thorogh about how to go about the build. I was no expert on these cars but I wanted a superbird since I was a kid. To me this car had to be "real" to me without the price tag, because I was never going to sell it. So basically any money put into this dream car of mine would be gone forever, I would never see a dime back out of this car. I had already picked up a clean satellite and ted was helpful day or night when I needed advise on headlight bucket assembly and installation, wing trunk braces, nosecone mounting brackets and even how to cover the fiberglass windshield pillar mouldings with polished stainless steel tape. They came out PERFECT, as did the whole car. That brings me to why I am writing this. Ted Janak spent hours explaining everthing in detail helping whenever I called. He understood how convincing the car had to be to ME! His parts made it happen. It won at 1995 mopar nats , autorama, power tour, ect, ect.
Quote from: limelightsuperbird on January 23, 2011, 02:06:01 PM
My name is Jim Palazzolo. In 1993 after doing some research I bought a superbird kit from Ted. I had already seen his ads for years with pictures of the kit parts laid out on a driveway next to a superbird. Ted was very patient and answered all my questions, and I was very thorogh about how to go about the build. I was no expert on these cars but I wanted a superbird since I was a kid. To me this car had to be "real" to me without the price tag, because I was never going to sell it. So basically any money put into this dream car of mine would be gone forever, I would never see a dime back out of this car. I had already picked up a clean satellite and ted was helpful day or night when I needed advise on headlight bucket assembly and installation, wing trunk braces, nosecone mounting brackets and even how to cover the fiberglass windshield pillar mouldings with polished stainless steel tape. They came out PERFECT, as did the whole car. That brings me to why I am writing this. Ted Janak spent hours explaining everthing in detail helping whenever I called. He understood how convincing the car had to be to ME! His parts made it happen. It won at 1995 mopar nats , autorama, power tour, ect, ect.
pictures please
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Quote from: limelightsuperbird on January 23, 2011, 02:06:01 PM
My name is Jim Palazzolo. In 1993 after doing some research I bought a superbird kit from Ted. I had already seen his ads for years with pictures of the kit parts laid out on a driveway next to a superbird. Ted was very patient and answered all my questions, and I was very thorogh about how to go about the build. I was no expert on these cars but I wanted a superbird since I was a kid. To me this car had to be "real" to me without the price tag, because I was never going to sell it. So basically any money put into this dream car of mine would be gone forever, I would never see a dime back out of this car. I had already picked up a clean satellite and ted was helpful day or night when I needed advise on headlight bucket assembly and installation, wing trunk braces, nosecone mounting brackets and even how to cover the fiberglass windshield pillar mouldings with polished stainless steel tape. They came out PERFECT, as did the whole car. That brings me to why I am writing this. Ted Janak spent hours explaining everthing in detail helping whenever I called. He understood how convincing the car had to be to ME! His parts made it happen. It won at 1995 mopar nats , autorama, power tour, ect, ect.
so what was won at Power tour 1995?
Just askin?
Didn't realize power tour had winners...I thought they just had long haulers.
Hey Jim it's Doug Croxford--you have my 'bird window plug!
Still have the car?
Quote from: limelightsuperbird on January 23, 2011, 02:06:01 PM
My name is Jim Palazzolo. In 1993 after doing some research I bought a superbird kit from Ted. I had already seen his ads for years with pictures of the kit parts laid out on a driveway next to a superbird. Ted was very patient and answered all my questions, and I was very thorogh about how to go about the build. I was no expert on these cars but I wanted a superbird since I was a kid. To me this car had to be "real" to me without the price tag, because I was never going to sell it. So basically any money put into this dream car of mine would be gone forever, I would never see a dime back out of this car. I had already picked up a clean satellite and ted was helpful day or night when I needed advise on headlight bucket assembly and installation, wing trunk braces, nosecone mounting brackets and even how to cover the fiberglass windshield pillar mouldings with polished stainless steel tape. They came out PERFECT, as did the whole car. That brings me to why I am writing this. Ted Janak spent hours explaining everthing in detail helping whenever I called. He understood how convincing the car had to be to ME! His parts made it happen. It won at 1995 mopar nats , autorama, power tour, ect, ect.
This is Jim . Sorry I didn't reply sooner, I am busy spending time with my wife and dogs and building and restoring my old cars. Hello to Doug. Been awhile, hope all is good. Will have the bird until I'm gone. Thanks again to you and your mother, Carol. You were both key players in making this dream realized. I ran out of room when writing my last post. Must be a character limit? As far as The Power Tour, It was the first road trip on the fresh build. My wife and I left 2 weeks early from Michigan driving the car both interstate and country roads sightseeing. We ended up in L.A. 5 days before power tour was pulling out back to Mich.They had a kickoff party rooftop at petersen museum and we never left it. They gave out items similar to a car show That you could only get there. Items from Kicker, Mothers, Cragar,ect. We went 7000 miles in 2 weeks and what a ride its been all these years. With all the magazine, television and shows across the country our trophy collection is immense. Plus a movie appearance Oct. 2011 REAL STEEL
Well, out of space for a second time right in the middle of a thought. So getting back to Teds' parts, They are what is responsible for all the positive event exposure and awards. Built to the best of my abilities at age 25, none of the repro parts show ant signs of cracking, bubbling or delaminating. I once set a model car superbird I built on the birds' roof at a car show and it melted and collapsed. Shows how hot the rear window plug gets. I've driven in 20 degree december before its snowed yet. Even the wing is perfect with hitting many a michigan pothole. I decided to write here just to give my real world experience using Teds' parts because I've heard many bad things about superbird reproduction fiberglass. After 29,000 miles and many long hot days in the sun, his parts have stood the test of time
I bought and sold wingcars and to Ted .I never had any parts issues.And I had the early 80ish parts
I drove this clone from TX to NJ and never worried about it .It was fun car to drive daily. I later sold it
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/TJclonedaytona.jpg)
Your daytona is awesome. I love the black stripes, door scoops and painted nosecone rubber. If it were mine, my birds' drivetime would be cut in half. I like stock look and custom. For many years I have had another car minus engine plus many parts to build another one similar to a particular white car with multicolor stripes and sidepipes I remember as a kid. Any other pictures of your daytona or others I would like to see. My wife loaded a couple pics ( she uses the computer much better than I am able) but we are not sure how to add more. Building a base model 70 superbee hood for my bird -center twin scoops built into a raised bulge. Finishing fab work on fiberglass ducting to air cleaner (to look similar to a 70 road runner air grabber). Been looking forward to having a second hood for many years. I always like the way my wifes' 74 challenger hood bulges up when sitting in it.
The power bulge hood works out nicely on a superbird
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,51236.0.html
Quote from: limelightsuperbird on January 28, 2011, 09:51:02 PM
Your daytona is awesome. I love the black stripes, door scoops and painted nosecone rubber. If it were mine, my birds' drivetime would be cut in half. I like stock look and custom. For many years I have had another car minus engine plus many parts to build another one similar to a particular white car with multicolor stripes and sidepipes I remember as a kid. Any other pictures of your daytona or others I would like to see. My wife loaded a couple pics ( she uses the computer much better than I am able) but we are not sure how to add more. Building a base model 70 superbee hood for my bird -center twin scoops built into a raised bulge. Finishing fab work on fiberglass ducting to air cleaner (to look similar to a 70 road runner air grabber). Been looking forward to having a second hood for many years. I always like the way my wifes' 74 challenger hood bulges up when sitting in it.
this one ? my buddy wayne perkins car ???
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My wife calls this the Wicked Bird. If anyone has pictures of this car, please post. I'm thinking of doing another superbird clone, and paint it like this.
Yes that is the car. Years ago I believe Doug told me it was restored back to original. I only had 1 picture of it all these years, so I didn't know what the back looked like. Any more pics of it or other custom birds would be great. Thanks for the pics! This is ours at the Detroit Yacht Club back 2002 or 2003
Quote from: limelightsuperbird on January 29, 2011, 10:23:19 AM
My wife calls this the Wicked Bird. If anyone has pictures of this car, please post. I'm thinking of doing another superbird clone, and paint it like this.
wayne has only just started the restoration in the last 5 years , the car should be done this year
4speed six barrel car
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,57850.0.html
here is what the wing looked like close up , on wayne clone now
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We originally built the bird as a 440 six pac ,4 speed , 8 3/4 with 4.10 suregrip. 1n 2000 we installed a new motor same as the Hot Rod build-440 stroker solid roller hemi conversion into 520 cubes. In 2001 we upgraded to a keisler TKO2 5 speed and switched a new 3.73 gear. The newer trans has a lower 1st gear so it still goes like a 4.10 out of the hole, and way lower rpm on the freeway. Once while traveling through Kansas we were giong 130mph for at least 15- 20 minutes and again going thru the Nevada desert and you wouldn't even know it. The motor is balanced for 7500 rpm but i have never turned the rev limiter above its lowest 4600 rpm setting. As hard as it takes off I would be afraid to turn it up, and I had to weld in subframe connectors shortly after putting the new motor in. I NEVER wanted to modify the undercarraige but had to. Even painted body color they still are noticable. I only kept the hemi conversion decals on the quarters for a couple years, much cleaner look without them plus not good for judged shows. I have made the engine look stock and widened the rear wheels 2" on the backside so the trim rings are stock with 275-60-15's
This retro superbird remains like this today
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,68248.0.html