What ever happened to it? Is it still out there? I read some years ago it was in an accident and rolled several times then was repaired ! Also read it was destroyed in a fire. Whats true?
I don't know, but I sure wish I was buds with old Heff so I could ask him, and maybe pick-up some left-overs... lol Damn that's Gross. I saw some 20y.o. the other night on T.V. saying she was his girlfriend. RALF.
Isn't he sort of like their great grandfather figure at this point?
I have always wondered about that car, as it doesn't have the fender scoops on the front. Seems that no one knows what happened to it, or what became of it. Maybe they added the scoops later and it was sold.
IIRC my friend Pete Veight with the 'vert Hemi Daytona creation owned it for a while. The scoops were added back on.
He sold it a while back to pick up a Hemi Superbird ;)
I always wondered what the story was with that car. My dad had that ad hanging up in his garage since about 1970 because he always wanted one but could never affored it.
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on February 07, 2006, 09:07:36 AM
IIRC my friend Pete Veight with the 'vert Hemi Daytona creation owned it for a while. The scoops were added back on.
He sold it a while back to pick up a Hemi Superbird ;)
So... Any newer pics???
Looks great!.. ;) for a green car!
prolly the mid-Yr spring green eh?.
Hey! That guy in the background is walking on air! :o
I would be to If I had that car!
BBD
Get this, nobody wanted them in '69, the dealers couldn't sell them. I heard a rumor some Daytonas were changed back into regular Chargers just to sell them? Anybody else hear that?
i think the daytonas sold okay... that had a problem with the superbirds i think...
Quote from: 73rallye440magnum on February 07, 2006, 11:03:17 PM
i think the daytonas sold okay... that had a problem with the superbirds i think...
Yes.
Some dealerships had problems with the Daytona's too, but I don't recall any of them being sold as chargers. Just sitting on dealership lots for years. There was a Daytona still on a dealer lot here in Indy in 1977.
This is the car we discussed earlier .But had no picture .As possibly being the 287970 .Dale Reeker daytona.I wonder if it possible the green daytona used in sept 69 playboy recharging the charger article .Was the early 287970 daytona .For one it has MI manafacture plates it appears. 2 lack of fender scoops .3 black handle door buttons.That or not usually on a daytona.I see alot of the chrome door push buttons on daytona.Not the black ones
Ah the door handle buttons question. I posed that same question on another board, but never got a definative answer on what they should be black or chrome. figured it was just meerly two sepearte suppliers.
There are several stories of Superbirds sitting on lots until 1974 before being sold and several being returned to regular road runners just to move them. They were not well recieved at the time. At he university I went to a guy had a black/black white stripe Daytona and was laughed at on a regular basis. And not one or two people - most pedestrians would gawk and laugh.
The Superbird was viewed a notch lower. What a difference 30 plus years make. ;D
Quote from: 6pkrunner on February 08, 2006, 05:37:46 PM
There are several stories of Superbirds sitting on lots until 1974 before being sold and several being returned to regular road runners just to move them. They were not well recieved at the time. At he university I went to a guy had a black/black white stripe Daytona and was laughed at on a regular basis. And not one or two people - most pedestrians would gawk and laugh.
The Superbird was viewed a notch lower. What a difference 30 plus years make. ;D
And how many people are kicking themselves now that used to own one?
Quote from: resq302 on February 08, 2006, 09:46:41 PM
Quote from: 6pkrunner on February 08, 2006, 05:37:46 PM
There are several stories of Superbirds sitting on lots until 1974 before being sold and several being returned to regular road runners just to move them. They were not well recieved at the time. At he university I went to a guy had a black/black white stripe Daytona and was laughed at on a regular basis. And not one or two people - most pedestrians would gawk and laugh.
The Superbird was viewed a notch lower. What a difference 30 plus years make. ;D
And how many people are kicking themselves now that used to own one?
Wow, I did not know that, very interesting, hard to believe, really. :iagree: Prob. one of the most $ appreciated cars in last thirty years, I don't know. Except for a few low numbers "other" manufacturer's cars that I wouldn't trade ten of for a Superbird.
Was the car ever actually in the possession of anyone at Playboy? We always refer to it as the Playboy Daytona for the obvious reasons but since they didn't actively do road tests I doubt anyone on their staff ever saw the car. I would bet the story was put together by a freelancer. There is a photographer credit there. Now if we could track THAT guy down, we might have a lead.
The photographer shouldnt be hard to trace.I recall his name from this article called recharging the charger as Kermit something
Quote from: nascarxx29 on February 09, 2006, 06:04:19 AM
The photographer shouldnt be hard to trace.I recall his name from this article called recharging the charger as Kermit something
Says Kermit Johnson at the bottom of the ad...
I agree, I think it was a freelance article. I only have that picture, not the rest of the magazine to see if there was an article.
I know that when I was younger my dad would drive his Daytona's around and get all kinds of weird looks from the people out in the country. However the people in our neighborhood thought that Daytona's were pretty common considering there was 5 of them at our house.
If all you have is that one page, then you have the whole thing.
Thanks Hemi geno I knew it was Kermit somebody.I hadnt seen that ad or magazine article called recharging the charger.In a while but couldnt forget Kermit and green car.It appears to have manafacture front license plate.If someone could ehance the plate and read the numbers. Who knows it might match the plate on other 69 daytonas used for magazine road test articles.Then we might have more detailed pictures to study the interior and the exterior from
Or maybe it went into hiding in the Dodge styling studio's wher it was updated with 1970 model trim and given a funky two tone green paint job and chrome nerf bars on the front? (I'm only half kidding btw)
You do make a good point there ghoste .With your half kiding reply.Wonder if you knew Dan Gurney was cut and pasted back on Jan Motor Trend cover.Where hes shown sitting on a orange superbird .He originally sat on a 69 green daytona.Might have been that playboy car .Who knows it may have been used for Chrysler publicity purposes.As this daytona is green with white stripe
Dan Gurney pasted on the superbird.But he posed with the 69 daytona first
I didn't know that. Although judging by his right leg, they must have made more than one photo on the Daytona.
It was news to me when I found out they pasted Dan on the superbird.I would think they took more than 1 picture.Thats why the leg picture is in a different position .But this car is still a mystery I think I can make out on the license plate ?? -7437
Is the Playboy car the same one they used in the ad in the Talladega program?
There was 2 daytonas I recall used in the programs I have sept 69 Talladega programs.One is the white prototype car .Other is a Black and white ad saying we interupt this programThis is the one in the Sept 69 Talladega program
It's the b&w ad I was thinking of. As I recall that ad features a darker car. I know it's impossible to know if it was green but all of this does have me wondering if there was a primary photo car. The Gurney one has the fender scoops but they may have had a deadline to meet for whatever reason with the Playboy car.
here is the sept 69 playboy enhanced to see plate more clearly ?? -7437
That's a manufacturers plate, correct? If it is, I think those things got swapped around a whole bunch.
What state?
That's what I thought. For some reason I got confused there for a moment.
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Quote from: Ghoste on February 10, 2006, 12:53:47 PM
It's the b&w ad I was thinking of. As I recall that ad features a darker car. I know it's impossible to know if it was green but all of this does have me wondering if there was a primary photo car. The Gurney one has the fender scoops but they may have had a deadline to meet for whatever reason with the Playboy car.
Here ya go, Ghoste...
The white/red stripe car in the Talladega program ad that Dave just posted is definitely the prototype car (as he stated). You can see that it does not have the window plug in, no fender scoops, the front marker light location is off, and the rear marker bezel is painted body color - all just as in the photos and renderings I have seen of the Press Release/prototype car.
Has anyone heard any more from the guy who claimed his mom drove that car after it somehow ended up in NASCAR's hands?
It's hard to say if the other Talladega program ad is the F6 green car used in the Playboy ad. It does have a white stripe, Road wheels & redlines, and a remote mirror like the F6 car, but it also has fender scoops and the rear license says "Charger". Both of those "differences" would be easy things to change however.
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Now that I start thinking about b&w Daytona press cars, what about the Dodge press release photo, the pic of Bob Rodger(or someone else?) sitting on a wing and talking to reporters, or the Daytona in the ad for Permatex or Prestolite (one of those "P" companies)and there must be more.
Well at least this thread is bringing up some always cool vinatage photo's.
Never did hear anything more about the guy who claimed his mom bought a Daytona new that was used as the photo car for Talladega. Unless Doug or someone in the club heard more, I personally never saw any more info about it.
I found that post by Mayor 1 saying his mom had the white prototype daytona with a 6 pack.I never heard anymore on this subject
http://www.moparstyle.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61126
This plate on the 70 watermelon car doesnt match .The 69 playboy car.Though this plate up top left has [19] [Michigan or maybe Manafacture] in the middle [69] to the top right .Also a [D] in the center.Which probably is for Dealer .And to the left of D [395 and to the right [33] And below Great Lake State .Wonder if anyone trying running this plate through the DMV .For that cars vin number
I thought it had been determined some time ago that it was a Michigan dealer plate?
Yeah, I'm pretty certain it says Michigan in the center, as Ghoste mentioned.
If MI is anything like MO on their dealer plates, that number would cross-reference to a particular Dealer, not a particular car. Around here, the Dealers never report what car they put their own plate on. I don't know for certain what MI's procedures are, but that's probably the case.
It would be interesting to know which Dealer it was registered to though...
I thought that had been determined too? Where the heck are the Dayclona gang when you need them?
Now Im going to have to have watch that Bud Lindeman tape again because the plate on the Watermelon Daytona as Dayclona calls it, is pretty close to what I think was on the 500 he was test driving. I thought I had it wrote down here, because I was going to see if they used more than 1 car in the shoot, by checking all the plates in the show.
It may have been that particular plate for testing and publicity purposes.And from earlier postings It wont reveal individual vins It should atleast tell you whos name the plate was under.The 70 watermelon car was photographed in color and black and white .On the aero warriors site.And I recall there was another picture seen in 70 cars magazine by somebody at dayclona.Of the watermelon car .I have hundred of vintage car mags to sort through to find it.also maybe this KERMIT JIHNSON that photgraphed the car may have taken several shots from different angles.and used just that one picture.I tryed a web search for Kermit Johnson
Playboy Magazine
... John Carafoli, Phillip Leonian,]]]]Kermit Johnson]]]]]]], M. Richard Kirstel, ...
Elke Sommer (from family photo album) text and photography by husband Joe Hyams, ...
www.magazine-empire.com/ playboy/playboy_magazine_1970.htm - 46k - Cached - Similar pages
Sept 1969 playboy on page 172 has that F6 green daytona picture and short article called recharging the charger
Kermit Johnson could be a nom de plume or whatever they call it. Wasn't Sesame Street out by then?
Quote from: Ghoste on February 10, 2006, 07:25:04 PM
I thought that had been determined too? Where the heck are the Dayclona gang when you need them?
Ghoste,...........look behind you!..............the "watermellon" plate , does indeed say Michigan on the top with a 19 and a 69 in the left and right hand corners (upper) respectively,...........the "D" in the center is for dealer, the lower line is "Great lake State".........the 395 is the dealers assigned number, the 33 is the district the plate is assigned to.............................to see a clear shot of the plate, all you had to do was reread your Sept 2005 MCG mag,................you do subscribe don't you!
Mike G / DAYCLONA
Quote from: hemigeno on February 10, 2006, 07:14:12 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty certain it says Michigan in the center, as Ghoste mentioned.
It would be interesting to know which Dealer it was registered to though...
You didn't know?............it was "WALTER MELON" motors............home of select cars, a Chrysler, Dodge, and Plymouth authorized dealer!.............thought all you guys read MCG :icon_smile_big:
Mike G/ DAYCLONA
A subscriber yes, a good memory, no.
From that assigned dealer number, was it ever determined which dealer in Motown held that plate?
No, I contacted the archive dept of the MI DMV and "he" said they dump the records every three....3.......years ??? So I guess it's Walter Melon Dodge from now on....... :icon_smile_wink:
Could be true, but somebody somewhere remembers. I'm sure you've exhausted all the practical leads when you were researching the car but somebody outside the normal reach knows.
I didn't get around to watching the Bud Lindeman tape today, was busy playing with my son at Chuck E Cheese all afternoon. NOw I'm too tired to do it. I'll do it tomorrow but I think it was the same plate number.
i recently heard that this car, the playboy car was wrecked at boneville quite a few years ago, and now is supposedly the reamains of it are in a junkyard in utah
Okay, here we go. I still have my "Playboy" Daytona. I did NOT sell it to buy my Hemi Superbird. According to records kept by the Daytona/Superbird Auto Club, there were 34 F6 Bright Green Daytonas built, only 3 had green interior. Of the 3, 2 had black wings and one had white. Rusty Cummings owned the 2 with black wings, he said both cars had fender scoops. I put scoops on my Daytona in 1984 but never cut the holes in the fenders. The Playboy pic was shot at the University of Wisconson. I don't believe the plate is a dealer plate, probably a plate that Chrysler Corp. used to drive their cars. My car was sold through a dealership in Kansas City Mo.
Hope this clarifies a few things. Pete Veight
Cool, that helps a bunch.
Does this mean you didn't wreck it at Bonneville? ;)
Welcome to the site then Pete. Nice to have another wing car nut to chime in on a few topics.
Nice to see Pete V on this board he has the 69 daytona convertible .Used all real parts in its construction .As did Gary Lazar did on his 426 superbird convertible.
got any pics of that superbird vert?-MATT
I will have to Look it was in some magazines for it to scan .Gary Lazar used to own the green 69 daytona of wingnuts
I think the first 2 letters are DA on the plate
The daytona of wingnuts is on the daytona list as car # 372 .Shows also as being prior owned by Gary Lazar New City NY
Quote from: nascarxx29 on February 10, 2006, 10:18:53 AM
You do make a good point there ghoste .With your half kiding reply.Wonder if you knew Dan Gurney was cut and pasted back on Jan Motor Trend cover.Where hes shown sitting on a orange superbird .He originally sat on a 69 green daytona.Might have been that playboy car .Who knows it may have been used for Chrysler publicity purposes.As this daytona is green with white stripe
Hey Guys - What Issue of Motor Trend has this pic of Dan on the Daytona wing?
Hey Guys - What Issue of Motor Trend has this pic of Dan on the Daytona wing?
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Best of motor trend 50th anniversary.
Cover pic.
Thank you!
QuoteOkay, here we go. I still have my "Playboy" Daytona. I did NOT sell it to buy my Hemi Superbird. According to records kept by the Daytona/Superbird Auto Club, there were 34 F6 Bright Green Daytonas built, only 3 had green interior. Of the 3, 2 had black wings and one had white. Rusty Cummings owned the 2 with black wings, he said both cars had fender scoops. I put scoops on my Daytona in 1984 but never cut the holes in the fenders. The Playboy pic was shot at the University of Wisconson. I don't believe the plate is a dealer plate, probably a plate that Chrysler Corp. used to drive their cars. My car was sold through a dealership in Kansas City Mo.
Hope this clarifies a few things. Pete Veight
:yesnod: i seen the playboy daytona in wingnut's garage and it looks great, beautiful machine :cheers: but a like his white hemi bird better . outstanding car . hope all is well Pete :cheers:
The playboy daytona was a early car lacking fender scoops and had late 68 early 69 black button door handle push buttons
381546 372 mo Ray Rixman St Louis, Mo 8/30/1969 515 SPD J#926590 .
Doesnt appear to me to fit as a early press release magazine exposure car timeline :Twocents: .
Earliest daytona build dates are 427 -612 But the playboy recharging the charger article is Sept 69
Usually magazine issue dates come out a month or 2 earlier.....does that fit with a timeline?
What we still do not know is the order in which cars were converted at Creative Industries - or exactly what happened to them once Creative finished the conversions... were they shipped back to Hamtramck as some documents suggest? Stored at Creative?
The only reason those questions matter in relationship to this topic is because the possibility exists Dodge Marketing guys could have nabbed a completed car from Creative or whatever storage area and used it for the photo shoot prior to it ever having been shipped to the dealership. There is no guarantee that because Pete's car is #372 on the shipping list that it was the 372nd car converted - or that its conversion wasn't completed until sometime in August shortly before its ship date. According to the paperwork I have, conversions were slated to start in mid-June, so it's still plausible that an early-converted (not necessarily early-shipped) car could have been used. FWIW, 1969 Missouri dealer plates did not have that color scheme (they were black letters on a white background) so any connection to Pete's car would simply mean the photos were taken prior to dealership delivery... certainly possible.
I'm still not 100% sure about the door handle button thing (as in I can't tell for certain what button is in the ad photo). I'm wondering if the lighting conditions and/or lens filters didn't make it appear black when it's really chrome - but I'm not a good judge. By the time even the earliest Daytona - 287970 - was made at Hamtramck, most if not all cars came with the chrome buttons. My January-built Charger had chromies. The lighting doesn't help much in identifying the interior color either, although it does appear to my untrained eyes to be green rather than black.
As I mentioned to another interested party just a few weeks ago, I wouldn't lean too heavily on the timeframe to determine which car was or was not used in this ad shoot. We just don't have (or at least I don't have) enough info of what happened back then to make definitive statements. Pete's car fits what you can see in the photo, so I personally think it's the best fit - but that's just my opinion which carries no more weight than anyone else's.
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...many years ago I owned the 1st HEMI Challenger ever built (JS29R0B100015)...it was the Car and Driver road test car in Nov 1969...I was told years ago the magazines usually came out approximately 1 month before the date of the magazine and a there was a 6 week lead time for the articles before that...there was approximately an 8-10 week time span from the written article to the news stand...I would guess the car in Playboy would have been built approximately 1 July or earlier
...my Daytona is a 4-27 build date with a 8-16 ship date from Creative
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Did a shiplist listed daytona ever leave creative to a dealer designation in this case a dealer in MO. Even if dealer was swapping cars with one and the other .To be built shipped without fender scoops and sent to a dealer?Or use a incompleted car for national photographic exposure.I kinda recall hearing or reading that Dr Hoens F6 daytona was suspected to been missing fender scoops when his car was brand new.But nothing conclusive.On another note isnt Mo a state that has vehicle archives back to day one.
Of all the magazines I collected over the years the playboy daytona appears to be a different plate number from the usual seen one through out other magazine featured daytona But what dealer was it registered to.But with nothing definitive we can only arrive at he conclusion in what happened to the mod top daytona installation .It could have happened but no overwhelming proof on either side
. License plates colors and numbers on other magazine featured daytonas.
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Did some photo ehancing the interior appears green .I can still see the black door button no chrome glare
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what about the possibility of the car being photographed in a studio, and the background added afterwards? while it's unlikely, there is nothing definitive that states the scene was shot on location, is there?
the shadows from the benches (the couple are running past) fall to the left. the shadow underneath the car is almost too uniform looking, like would be produced by studio lighting coming from multiple directions. for sunlight to cause such uniform and complete shadowing underneath a car, it seems the sun would have to be pretty low on the horizon. which it isn't, judging by the shadows from the benches. and if the sun was high in the sky, how did it cause such complete shadowing behind the rear tires?
Good ? is does appear to have a shadow on the ground .Dan Gurney original sat uptop of a daytona .But got cropped onto the motor trend cover superbird
Its one of this chryslers things I guess .like we assume the Jan 70 motor trend car Dan Gurney sitting on a superbird wing.Turns out he was cut and pasted from this daytona
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/January-1970-Motor-Trend-Dan-Gurney-Road-Runner-Superbird-Tour-France-/370528117241?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D390285995802%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D4716646881212741366
When Gary Lazar owned the car its recorded as white interior white stripe .Does the buildsheet show green interior.Gary Lazar was a master wingcar builder he did the 426 hemi superbird convertible.Out of a 6 cyl belvedere conv and wrecked hemi superbird. :Twocents: If he wanted to replicate the playboy ad car he could easily have done so
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the superbird on the magazine cover has similar, complete shadowing underneath it. a professional photographer knows how to set the scene, but the lighting is almost too perfect to be natural, in regards to both cars.
shooting of the daytona photo could have taken place at creative's facility at any time during its conversion. that makes more sense than sending a single (and incomplete) car out for a magazine glamour shot, when the focus was on cranking them out asap. magazine exposure was not a concern at that time.
it also seems odd that a single photo has surfaced, as you would think the photographer would have shot dozens of them to ensure he had the perfect one. it wasn't like it is today, where you can look at the image instantly.
Car has a lot of shrub and tree reflections on it - as can be easily seen in your black and white.....makes me think no studio.
Ok,
Now I'm curious.
Without going thru every reply here,
Is the Playboy cars vin known?
I looked long and hard and the picture and I can't tell if it's green or black interior
Quote from: gtx6970 on December 07, 2011, 08:58:20 AM
Ok,
Now I'm curious.
Without going thru every reply here,
Is the Playboy cars vin known?
I looked long and hard and the picture and I can't tell if it's green or black interior
The Playboy Daytona is an F6 exterior car with green auto console interior.
Quote from: held1823 on December 07, 2011, 02:27:17 AM
the superbird on the magazine cover has similar, complete shadowing underneath it. a professional photographer knows how to set the scene, but the lighting is almost too perfect to be natural, in regards to both cars.
shooting of the daytona photo could have taken place at creative's facility at any time during its conversion. that makes more sense than sending a single (and incomplete) car out for a magazine glamour shot, when the focus was on cranking them out asap. magazine exposure was not a concern at that time.
it also seems odd that a single photo has surfaced, as you would think the photographer would have shot dozens of them to ensure he had the perfect one. it wasn't like it is today, where you can look at the image instantly.
To me, the Superbird was obviously shot in a studio. You can see the sun reflection off Gurney, which looks quite a bit different than the lighting of the Superbird. The Gurney photo appears to be shot on the west coast by the background. There has to be a whole cut sheet of photos from that session. Probably in the Peterson Pub archives somewhere.
I wonder if maybe the playboy ad car isn't even F6 at all...maybe it was just "greened up" to look better for the ad...
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Would this be the photographer of the Playboy Daytona?
adnewsonline.com/pub_article.cfm?artID=1187
Right age. I haven't been at BYU in Salt Lake City for a number of years, but perhaps that could be the site location. As I remember it has a pretty modern type of part of the campus.
Would it have been hard to get the grass and sidewalk to look right through the front window if the picture was 2 combined pictures. Especially given the technology of the time? Especially when you look at the Gurney picture-obviously cut and paste.
It appears to me the car has a woodgrain steering wheel, 14" Road wheel, single remote mirror, some type of radio, transmission undetermined. Green exterior and interior if the colors can be believed. There were also a number of other photo shots in magazines of a green Daytona back at the time, but with scoops.
FWIW the Motor Trend Gurney car quotes 2 photographers for credit for the cover on the contents page Fred Enke and Gerry Stiles.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 07, 2011, 08:29:51 AM
Car has a lot of shrub and tree reflections on it - as can be easily seen in your black and white.....makes me think no studio.
:iagree: You can see the reflection of the vertical column in the roof. As far as the shadowing goes I 've always thought the pic was shot on an overcast hazy day. Which would diffuse the shadows thrown but not eliminate them completly.
I seen this arcticle before on Kermit Johnson
http://adnewsonline.com/pub_article.cfm?artID=1187
Also theres a Kermit Johnson School in AL.Maybe named after the Vietnam Vet?
i admit there is a lot of merit to the opinion that the car was shot outdoors. it would have been possible to set up some additional lighting at the site of the photo shoot. that could explain both the reflections mentioned on the car, as well as the shadowing beneath it. a professional photographer would surely have been prepared for any and all conditions that day, and not sat around waiting for optimal sunlight.
i've always thought the grass along the sidewalk had been retouched. it doesn't show "wind rows" of lighter color, like seen further to the left. regardless of the scenario, more though was put into the photo, than into the idea of sending a completed car to the set. no fender scoops? c'mom, man.
as doug mentioned, the photo stills from the superbird shoot are around. has anyone ever seen a second image of the playboy car?
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 07, 2011, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: gtx6970 on December 07, 2011, 08:58:20 AM
Ok,
Now I'm curious.
Without going thru every reply here,
Is the Playboy cars vin known?
I looked long and hard and the picture and I can't tell if it's green or black interior
The Playboy Daytona is an F6 exterior car with green auto console interior.
And this is known HOW?
Quote from: gtx6970 on December 07, 2011, 03:12:16 PM
And this is known HOW?
I know the owner.... On another note, on one site, there's an article on the Playboy Daytona being owned by someone and it has white interior........ Well, it's plainly seen that the Daytona in the actual ad doesn't have white interior........ I don't believe the photo was doctored... if so, then someone would have editted fender scoops on it..... :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 07, 2011, 03:45:34 PM
Quote from: gtx6970 on December 07, 2011, 03:12:16 PM
And this is known HOW?
I know the owner.... On another note, on one site, there's an article on the Playboy Daytona being owned by someone and it has white interior........ Well, it's plainly seen that the Daytona in the actual ad doesn't have white interior........ I don't believe the photo was doctored... if so, then someone would have editted fender scoops on it..... :icon_smile_big:
And how is it known this is the actual car - was there a "Bunny" in the trunk? :lol:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 07, 2011, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 07, 2011, 03:45:34 PM
Quote from: gtx6970 on December 07, 2011, 03:12:16 PM
And this is known HOW?
I know the owner.... On another note, on one site, there's an article on the Playboy Daytona being owned by someone and it has white interior........ Well, it's plainly seen that the Daytona in the actual ad doesn't have white interior........ I don't believe the photo was doctored... if so, then someone would have editted fender scoops on it..... :icon_smile_big:
And how is it known this is the actual car - was there a "Bunny" in the trunk? :lol:
if so, to hell with the car. bring on the bunny pics!
What car? :lol:
Quote from: held1823 on December 07, 2011, 04:46:37 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 07, 2011, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 07, 2011, 03:45:34 PM
Quote from: gtx6970 on December 07, 2011, 03:12:16 PM
And this is known HOW?
I know the owner.... On another note, on one site, there's an article on the Playboy Daytona being owned by someone and it has white interior........ Well, it's plainly seen that the Daytona in the actual ad doesn't have white interior........ I don't believe the photo was doctored... if so, then someone would have editted fender scoops on it..... :icon_smile_big:
And how is it known this is the actual car - was there a "Bunny" in the trunk? :lol:
if so, to hell with the car. bring on the bunny pics!
if she was she is just bones by now
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 07, 2011, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 07, 2011, 03:45:34 PM
Quote from: gtx6970 on December 07, 2011, 03:12:16 PM
And this is known HOW?
I know the owner.... On another note, on one site, there's an article on the Playboy Daytona being owned by someone and it has white interior........ Well, it's plainly seen that the Daytona in the actual ad doesn't have white interior........ I don't believe the photo was doctored... if so, then someone would have editted fender scoops on it..... :icon_smile_big:
And how is it known this is the actual car - was there a "Bunny" in the trunk? :lol:
Shhhhhhhhhhh, I'll never tell............ Oh, I don't know............. Ok, back to our regularly scheduled programming,
Zoomed in picture anyone not see the black door push button below door handle
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/zoom.jpg)
QuoteAnd how is it known this is the actual car
exactly, is the vin of this car pictured recorded somewhere ?
if not how is specific details known such as engine/ transmission , owner history etc etc
IF the vin is know, I would think there would be no guessing as to interior color , engine options etc etc
sounds like guessing is going on comparing known F6 green cars
Quote from: gtx6970 on December 09, 2011, 11:07:24 AM
QuoteAnd how is it known this is the actual car
exactly, is the vin of this car pictured recorded somewhere ?
if not how is specific details known such as engine/ transmission , owner history etc etc
IF the vin is know, I would think there would be no guessing as to interior color , engine options etc etc
sounds like guessing is going on comparing known F6 green cars
To be honest Bill, I believe Pete... I don't believe things were "doctored" image-wise like some may say. There's no way the image in the magazine has white interior. In '69, there wasn't too much techno-stuff like that going on I bet. Maybe for human pictures and such. From a visual point of view, especially from the zoomed in picture here Dave did, it's obvious the interiors green. I make that conclusion from the package tray.......
the package tray is bathed in direct sunlight, as illustrated by the shadows seen outside the car. that would make it appear as a different shade from the completely shadowed rear seat and trim panel. i believe the only color that can be ruled out, is white.
as for the photo doctoring skills of that era, one peek at the centerfold in that very magazine will confirm they were widely used.
Quote from: held1823 on December 09, 2011, 12:01:46 PM
the package tray is bathed in direct sunlight, as illustrated by the shadows seen outside the car. that would make it appear as a different shade from the completely shadowed rear seat and trim panel. i believe the only color that can be ruled out, is white.
as for the photo doctoring skills of that era, one peek at the centerfold in that very magazine will confirm they were widely used.
Again, the magazine's going to edit their stuff. I find it hard to believe that magazine's going to give a hoot about a car. They only put in what they get from the company that's doing the advertising. And back then, why in God's name would Dodge care if the door knob is black or chrome. If they were so anal about this or that being correct, then they would have drove over to the university a Daytona that had it's fender scoops, or, at the very least, "doctor" the photo so they were there.....
Final answer, I believe............
If the photographer was found there may have been other shots.I searched playboy photographers thinking that there in some kind of union or registered and a credited to use that magazine as a reference on there portfolio.Later in there career.Still looking for Kermit Johnson to see if any other pictures he might have took for playboy or any other magazine .We are still looking but nothing so far .It might have been a alais photographer name?? :Twocents :Another thought As major mopar magazine holds a mopar event at the playboy mansion .They could get at the archive material
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 09, 2011, 12:08:42 PM
Again, the magazine's going to edit their stuff. I find it hard to believe that magazine's going to give a hoot about a car. They only put in what they get from the company that's doing the advertising. And back then, why in God's name would Dodge care if the door knob is black or chrome. If they were so anal about this or that being correct, then they would have drove over to the university a Daytona that had it's fender scoops, or, at the very least, "doctor" the photo so they were there.....
Final answer, I believe............
im not implying that playboy did anything other than place the article in the magazine exactly as it arrived at their office. the entire page is most likely a free-lanced piece, just as you stated. all kinds of editing looks to have taken place before sending it to playboy. how does a two foot tall bench cast a shadow, while a five foot tall girl and a six foot tall guy do not? why is the grass where these shadows would have fallen different from the rest of the lawn to the left and right of the sidewalk? this same difference in the grass makes a perfectly straight line right above the cars's doghouse, unlike the undoctored grass above it.
if dodge didnt care about details, why did the button color get changed in the first place? the boys in the styling and publicity departments most certainly were anal about how things looked, or superbirds wouldnt have came painted up like a twenty dollar hooker. its hard to think the factory had anything to do with this specific article, or it would not have mentioned the nose as being plastic.
the production figure mentioned here earlier for f6/green interior daytonas that comes from information gathered by the club does not account for every f6 car. the club's numbers are only as good as the accuracy and completeness of what is reported to them. the club totals could have given us the totals regarding b5 blue daytonas, but until recently the club did not have any details about the one that has spent the last 42 years in the garage here.
i dont mean to belittle your opinion, but short of the people who actually worked on that article remembering every detail about it, there is no way to prove or disprove anything to do with it.
[why did the button color get changed in the first place?] My best guess is
Ever see a dodge sales brochure with something odd on a car or about it.But it doesnt apply to the production line vehicle.As its a early pilot or prototype.
Quote from: held1823 on December 09, 2011, 12:38:48 PM
,,, there is no way to prove or disprove anything to do with it.
Yeap,,, and the grass is always greener on the other side. Human nature for the most part is always trying to "one-up" someone or "disprove" this or that in their closest "Sherlock Holmes" impersonation.
I'll leave it to the conspiracy theorist on this one...
Quote from: nascarxx29 on February 08, 2006, 08:53:51 AM
...For one it has MI manafacture plates it appears...
I believe those are just regular '69 Michigan plates....2 letters/4 numbers were standard I believe...
I have come across other types of photography under same Kermit Johnson name.The playboy photograher for 1969??
http://www.city-data.com/picfilesc/picc4619.php
QuoteI put scoops on my Daytona in 1984 but never cut the holes in the fenders. The Playboy pic was shot at the University of Wisconson. I don't believe the plate is a dealer plate, probably a plate that Chrysler Corp. used to drive their cars. My car was sold through a dealership in Kansas City Mo.
Hope this clarifies a few things. Pete Veight
Hi Pete,
I was just wondering if could you post some picts of your car now, and do you have any from before you put the fender scoops on? Have you ever though of taking the car back there and replicating the playboy ad?
Thanks, Rich
Does Petes car have it buildsheet what interior color Green? Black? White?
petes car has green interior
When Gary Lazar owned the car circa 1979 its recorded as white interior white stripe .5 years before it was Petes who said he got it around 1984 :shruggy:
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_3794.jpg)
gary L had put white seats in the car and but left the other interior parts green, except for the items that he started to paint black for his plans of converting it to a black door panel, headliner and whatever else he was going to change
but the car is coded for green interior
i used to know gary L, and have known pete for about 30 years now (boy am i old, lol)
, and have seen the data tag in person, but i never took pics of it or wrote doen the info
i believe pete was informed of it being the playboy car by doug schellingers dad when he
called to register the car with the club
Quote from: TONY on December 09, 2011, 02:27:46 PM
gary L had put white seats in the car and but left the other interior parts green, except for the items that he started to paint black for his plans of converting it to a black door panel, headliner and whatever else he was going to change
but the car is coded for green interior
i used to know gary L, and have known pete for about 30 years now (boy am i old, lol)
, and have seen the data tag in person, but i never took pics of it or wrote doen the info
i believe pete was informed of it being the playboy car by doug schellingers dad when he
called to register the car with the club
Thanks Tony..... :2thumbs: Call me religious, but I'm a good judge of character and I believe Pete as I've eluded to..... I go on faith..
Was curious looked over the converted daytona back lot pictures.To see if any had black door handle pushs.Or if they might have appeared black in the old picture
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_3796.jpg)
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 09, 2011, 01:15:27 PM
Quote from: held1823 on December 09, 2011, 12:38:48 PM
,,, there is no way to prove or disprove anything to do with it.
Yeap,,, and the grass is always greener on the other side. Human nature for the most part is always trying to "one-up" someone or "disprove" this or that in their closest "Sherlock Holmes" impersonation.
I'll leave it to the conspiracy theorist on this one...
i'll assume that is directed at me, since it paraphrases my statement that referred to the photo itself.
my comments on this thread have nothing to do with one upping anyone. the only thing i intended to address is the photo in the article. in my opinion, the image in the magazine is not the way it was captured on film. there is no conspiracy theory behind a photograper or advertising agency doing what they do on a regular basis.
also, questioning whether the pictured car is pete's or not, was not focus of my comment regarding production figures. the exact comment i referred to is
Quote from: Wingnut426 on March 18, 2006, 08:38:39 PM
According to records kept by the Daytona/Superbird Auto Club, there were 34 F6 Bright Green Daytonas built, only 3 had green interior. Of the 3, 2 had black wings and one had white.
there is nothing wrong or misleading in his old comment. 3 of the 34 known f6 cars at the time came optioned that way. i have also read, on this very forum, that there are 43 known cars painted in f6. any of those since added to the earlier total could have a green interior. how does that question someone's character? quite simply, it doesn't.
Hi everyone. I just sent Tony D'ag a pic of my trim tag. He is going to post it for me.
(I have Webtv, can't post pics myself.) Gary Lazar did start to change the interior color to white and painted right over the gauges with black paint! I had a heck of a time wiping off the dashpads etc. with laquar thinner. I will look for pics from when I bought the car. It was in brown primer when I got it. I did not get a build sheet with the car, but Gary Lazar has several buildsheets from wingcars he owned in a photo album. I tried to contact him several years ago, but he didn't respond to me.
I spoke with Ray Rixman from Ray Rixman's Dodge back in 1991. He was the owner of the dealership that my car came from. He said he ordered the car with white interior and when it arrived it had green interior!
He tried to give the car back to Chrysler, but they said it was close to what he ordered and to live with it. He said the car sat for a year before it was sold off the lot. Any requests for info please feel free to e-mail me direct or call anytime.
860-350-6864 Pete AKA Wingnut
Quote from: Wingnut426 on December 09, 2011, 03:29:53 PM
Hi everyone. I just sent Tony D'ag a pic of my trim tag. He is going to post it for me.
(I have Webtv, can post pics myself.) Gary Lazar did start to change the interior color to white and painted right over the gauges with black paint! I had a heck of a time wiping off the dashpads etc. with laquar thinner. I will look for pics from when I bought the car. It was in brown primer when I got it. I did not get a build sheet with the car, but Gary Lazar has several buildsheets from wingcars he owned in a photo album. I tried to contact him several years ago, but he didn't respond to me.
I spoke with Ray Rixman from Ray Rixman's Dodge back in 1991. He was the owner of the dealership that my car came from. He said he ordered the car with white interior and when it arrived it had green interior!
He tried to give the car back to Chrysler, but they said it was close to what he ordered and to live with it. He said the car sat for a year before it was sold off the lot. Any requests for info please feel free to e-mail me direct or call anytime.
860-350-6864 Pete AKA Wingnut
Pete is a great guy and if you need a correct jack , jack hold down ,or jack tool call pete his are awesome . :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: oh and the convertible daytona is the bomb too !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: held1823 on December 09, 2011, 03:23:48 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 09, 2011, 01:15:27 PM
Quote from: held1823 on December 09, 2011, 12:38:48 PM
,,, there is no way to prove or disprove anything to do with it.
Yeap,,, and the grass is always greener on the other side. Human nature for the most part is always trying to "one-up" someone or "disprove" this or that in their closest "Sherlock Holmes" impersonation.
I'll leave it to the conspiracy theorist on this one...
i'll assume that is directed at me, since it paraphrases my statement that referred to the photo itself.
my comments on this thread have nothing to do with one upping anyone. the only thing i intended to address is the photo in the article. in my opinion, the image in the magazine is not the way it was captured on film. there is no conspiracy theory behind a photograper or advertising agency doing what they do on a regular basis.
also, questioning whether the pictured car is pete's or not, was not focus of my comment regarding production figures. the exact comment i referred to is
Quote from: Wingnut426 on March 18, 2006, 08:38:39 PM
According to records kept by the Daytona/Superbird Auto Club, there were 34 F6 Bright Green Daytonas built, only 3 had green interior. Of the 3, 2 had black wings and one had white.
there is nothing wrong or misleading in his old comment. 3 of the 34 known f6 cars at the time came optioned that way. i have also read, on this very forum, that there are 43 known cars painted in f6. any of those since added to the earlier total could have a green interior. how does that question someone's character? quite simply, it doesn't.
La la la la la.. wrong.......
It's directed at anyone who continues to question the car. This song and dance has been played many times before you ever questioned it. So, no, it wasn't directed at you or anyone else persay......... I don't focus too much on the little things nowadays...... Life's too short............. Plus, this was 40 years ago!!! Nobody at Mamopar gave a flip about whether a Daytona had a black door handle knob and the direction of sunlight during a photoshoot. Now, the photographer might have.. If they cared, then they would have made sure all of them would have had the proper '69 woodgrained shifter knob for the console that was the norm for the '69 model year. Or...... Just maybe, there's some TSB that states they should all have chrome knobs.... :icon_smile_big:
OK, it's almost time to go home, get the wife for a little Christmas party, get the baby-sitter over to the house for the kiddos and have a few drinks... Luckily Kim's always the designated driver... :angel:
All I'm asking is , how ANY Daytona could be called the Playboy car , UNLESS the vin of said Playboy car is known
And earlier is was stated the Playboy car was a 440 auto,, Ok with 14" tires we can assume it was not a Hemi car, but HOW is it known it was an auto?
Are all Daytona vins accounted for in regards to color , engine , trans , etc etc etc ?
I read the 46 Daytonas , is this built or just cars known cars to exist?
I don't follow wing cars , so please someone educate me here .
Not bad mouting anyone, but to me that 'unless' the vin of the so called Playboy car is known, everything is a guess.
Im not exactly sure how many are F6 Green interior daytona exists 3 or 4 ? .That along without the playboy significance is rare. Vins and or buildsheet would nail it down.Trying to narrow it down without hardcore documentation. :brickwall:
As far a shifter knobs and ? year
Had this saved on the computer if this archive picture is accurate checkout the shift knobs left picture a 68 with woodgrain shifter knob. It also has the plastic combline instrument panel texture and center dash medallion between tach and speedo 1968 vintage :shruggy: Picture on right 69 vintage head rests and chrome knob
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/charger-dodge.jpg)
NOS exterior door handles were installed with the correct black buttons found on 1968 and early 1969 cars.
http://www.hoffmanswinnerscircle.com/69rtconvertible/Exterior_Related_Photos.htm
here is petes trim tag
i hope this helps
Just a note here but there is a clearly a shadow under the man and a small one visible under the woman as well. Looking at the shadow lines of everything else in the picture I'd guess the time of the shoot to be somewhere around noon. As most of the shadows are falling nearly straight down. The reason the benches shadow appears larger is because of how wide the top of the bench is in comparison to the width of the man. Bench may only be 2' tall but its about 2' wide and 4-5' long as well. Man maybe 2' wide accross shoulders but front to back I'd guess 10-12". Makes for a much smaller shadow. The grass on the other hand is a little different. It was 1969 people did not cut grass to intentionally make lines in the yard as they do now. Things were a bit tougher in the size of mowers as well. Most people I know used to cut their grass by making multiple passes at the edge to make sure to blow grass clippings back into yards instead of on sidewalks. Which would appear to be what they did then started alternating passes after that giving it a lined look.
Frame 57 of the Zapruder film......
I went back and read the post from the beginning, so with my limited intelligence I could understand it a little.
If there was only one F6 green car with a green interior, white wing, and it had the right options; it seems to me that is as close as anyone is going to get unless Miss January had a separate stash of conflicting pictures in her hutch.
I have the magazine, I did look at the pictures. My copy of the Daytona picture, That wasn't the only picture I looked at-and I read the articles, shows windrows in the grass-just not as dark. Whoever mowed the lawn probably started mowing at the sidewalk and not so much grass had formed the windrows from being thrown. The shadows seem pretty consistent to me, I don't think there was a second spitter.
If someone knows it was the U of Wisconsin, that is excellent.
I'd guess Kermit Johnson was a freelancer or the photo was done by Roy Ross ( I'm not by my memorabilia so I may be a little off on the name-that has the name of the ad agency that Chrysler used at the time, which I believe is still in business). Either way It doesn't look like a high dollar cut and paste photo, rather a simple outdoor shot on a overcast day. There probably are or were other shots taken, who knows if they are around.
The shadows of the benches are wide, the people not so much because that's how things photograph. No second spitter.
Lets find another car in the old ads. The Tor-Red White, bench seat, 2 outside mirror car in the 1970 Wynn's ad.
QuoteOK, it's almost time to go home, get the wife for a little Christmas party, get the baby-sitter over to the house for the kiddos and have a few drinks... Luckily Kim's always the designated driver..
hey pick me up on your way . i could use some drinks and a good Christmas party to go to :cheers:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on December 10, 2011, 05:00:13 PM
QuoteOK, it's almost time to go home, get the wife for a little Christmas party, get the baby-sitter over to the house for the kiddos and have a few drinks... Luckily Kim's always the designated driver..
hey pick me up on your way . i could use some drinks and a good Christmas party to go to :cheers:
Turns out, Kim had way too much fun and I was the designated driver... Good for her, she needed some fun relief after her long week.... Sorry Stu, you missed a good one............. Elvis was even there and he was good............
A little bird told me the tell all story about the playboy daytona will be out in print very soon. Now there will really be something to talk about.
I am looking forward to the rest of the story...
Good deal :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
found this picture on a moparts thread...poster said picture was from 1988. It looks like it has a green interior...same car??
(http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/upload2/7003713-IMG_0001.jpg)
Quote from: richRTSE on January 24, 2012, 03:22:06 AM
found this picture on a moparts thread...poster said picture was from 1988. It looks like it has a green interior...same car??
Hey Rich...
That's gotta be Pete's car.. F6, green interior, Conn... and his white Superbird in the background... That's gotta be his collection...
Thats my Daytona at the Marcus Dairy Cruise in Danbury, Ct. Pete "AKA Wingnut"
Quote from: Tom Q on December 19, 2011, 07:28:42 AM
A little bird told me the tell all story about the playboy daytona will be out in print very soon. Now there will really be something to talk about.
I am looking forward to the rest of the story...
...it's in Mopar Collectors Guide this month :cheers:
March 12 2012 MCG did a story on both cars the Dale Reeker Prototype daytona.And playboy car
Randy from MCG who did the article replys here
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,88014.0.html
Quote from: Wingnut426 on January 24, 2012, 09:46:20 AM
Thats my Daytona at the Marcus Dairy Cruise in Danbury, Ct. Pete "AKA Wingnut"
Ah , I knew the background looked familiar, just couldn't place it... :2thumbs:
Too bad they leveled it now... :icon_smile_dissapprove: :icon_smile_angry:
:popcrn:
Ok, got mine today. :popcrn: :popcrn: I am a little confused or sceptical, so they at CI modified 500+ RTs to Charger 500s and somehow the "first" Daytona winds up have to bolts on the back plug, seems a little far fetched for my head, maybe the "first Daytona", but that is odd to me, being born in 69 I clearly do not have first hand knowledge, but seen lots of parts car and salvage yard cars as the remains of mods happen in the cars youth (maybe not that many aero cars, but people to odd things), but ............ really. Please enlighten me.........
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on January 24, 2012, 11:15:46 PM
Ok, got mine today. :popcrn: :popcrn: I am a little confused or sceptical, so they at CI modified 500+ RTs to Charger 500s and somehow the "first" Daytona winds up have to bolts on the back plug, seems a little far fetched for my head, maybe the "first Daytona", but that is odd to me, being born in 69 I clearly do not have first hand knowledge, but seen lots of parts car and salvage yard cars as the remains of mods happen in the cars youth (maybe not that many aero cars, but people to odd things), but ............ really. Please enlighten me.........
the bolts are in the trunk rail for the wing supports not the window plug
Quote from: #501 on January 25, 2012, 10:48:29 AM
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on January 24, 2012, 11:15:46 PM
Ok, got mine today. :popcrn: :popcrn: I am a little confused or sceptical, so they at CI modified 500+ RTs to Charger 500s and somehow the "first" Daytona winds up have to bolts on the back plug, seems a little far fetched for my head, maybe the "first Daytona", but that is odd to me, being born in 69 I clearly do not have first hand knowledge, but seen lots of parts car and salvage yard cars as the remains of mods happen in the cars youth (maybe not that many aero cars, but people to odd things), but ............ really. Please enlighten me.........
the bolts are in the trunk rail for the wing supports not the window plug
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
The #88 test Daytona also had wing washers that were bolted to the trunk gutter, just like the red prototype.
You can see the bolt heads in the photo below looking into the trunk just inboard of the wing upright.
Cool stuff! And yet my car doesn't even have wing braces....never has.....just the washers - which are welded.
Quote from: moparstuart on January 25, 2012, 10:51:51 AM
Quote from: #501 on January 25, 2012, 10:48:29 AM
Quote from: XS29LA47V21 on January 24, 2012, 11:15:46 PM
Ok, got mine today. :popcrn: :popcrn: I am a little confused or sceptical, so they at CI modified 500+ RTs to Charger 500s and somehow the "first" Daytona winds up have to bolts on the back plug, seems a little far fetched for my head, maybe the "first Daytona", but that is odd to me, being born in 69 I clearly do not have first hand knowledge, but seen lots of parts car and salvage yard cars as the remains of mods happen in the cars youth (maybe not that many aero cars, but people to odd things), but ............ really. Please enlighten me.........
the bolts are in the trunk rail for the wing supports not the window plug
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
I am catching up, midlife senior moment, thank you.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 25, 2012, 04:15:35 PM
Cool stuff! And yet my car doesn't even have wing braces....never has.....just the washers - which are welded.
which one ??????
The one without the wing braces silly! :D
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 25, 2012, 07:46:48 PM
The one without the wing braces silly! :D
thats the one i get right :D
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 25, 2012, 04:15:35 PM
Cool stuff! And yet my car doesn't even have wing braces....never has.....just the washers - which are welded.
i think I read in MCG how it was alien forces which mind-melded with Creative employees to force them to not install your braces. Somehow, the mind meld didn't work quite right, and also resulted in the workers installing a Mod Top on a different Daytona.
Also, those workers were the 3rd and 4th shooters on the grassy knoll, and they singlehandedly faked the moon landing.
Quote from: pettybird on January 26, 2012, 10:23:37 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 25, 2012, 04:15:35 PM
Cool stuff! And yet my car doesn't even have wing braces....never has.....just the washers - which are welded.
i think I read in MCG how it was alien forces which mind-melded with Creative employees to force them to not install your braces. Somehow, the mind meld didn't work quite right, and also resulted in the workers installing a Mod Top on a different Daytona.
Also, those workers were the 3rd and 4th shooters on the grassy knoll, and they singlehandedly faked the moon landing.
WOW, they really are "Creative" :smilielol: :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: pettybird on January 26, 2012, 10:23:37 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 25, 2012, 04:15:35 PM
Cool stuff! And yet my car doesn't even have wing braces....never has.....just the washers - which are welded.
i think I read in MCG how it was alien forces which mind-melded with Creative employees to force them to not install your braces. Somehow, the mind meld didn't work quite right, and also resulted in the workers installing a Mod Top on a different Daytona.
Also, those workers were the 3rd and 4th shooters on the grassy knoll, and they singlehandedly faked the moon landing.
And Elvis was their Project Manager.. or was that the Borg ????
Quote from: moparstuart on January 25, 2012, 08:43:06 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 25, 2012, 07:46:48 PM
The one without the wing braces silly! :D
thats the one i get right :D
If you were smart, you'd be scheming to get the 4-gear one.
Quote from: Aero426 on January 26, 2012, 02:47:22 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 25, 2012, 08:43:06 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 25, 2012, 07:46:48 PM
The one without the wing braces silly! :D
thats the one i get right :D
If you were smart, you'd be scheming to get the 4-gear one.
well beggers cant be too choosy :icon_smile_big: but your right :2thumbs: :drool5: :drool5:
Is that one still in that current paint scheme?
I like it with the mud guards ( I know I'm not with the popular vote there, but it gives it a certain look with them)
Quote from: WINGIN IT on January 26, 2012, 03:27:00 PM
Is that one still in that current paint scheme?
I like it with the mud guards ( I know I'm not with the popular vote there, but it gives it a certain look with them)
Yup - Still looks the same......
Quote from: Aero426 on January 26, 2012, 02:47:22 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 25, 2012, 08:43:06 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 25, 2012, 07:46:48 PM
The one without the wing braces silly! :D
thats the one i get right :D
If you were smart, you'd be scheming to get the 4-gear one.
Lord knows I tried...... :icon_smile_big:
Jim I am not as picky as stu I will take any of them
Quote from: 69_500 on January 26, 2012, 07:19:50 PM
Jim I am not as picky as stu I will take any of them
i said i was not choosy :icon_smile_big:
:smilie_help:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 26, 2012, 07:56:14 PM
:smilie_help:
no pressure daddy i will still.love u no matter what
please dont move :shruggy:
Stuart, tell dad you will take that heap off his hands for the asking price.
Wow - Never seen that one Doug. Click - save!
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: heck doug i'll even be generous and offer double the asking price , :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 26, 2012, 04:58:00 PM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on January 26, 2012, 03:27:00 PM
Is that one still in that current paint scheme?
I like it with the mud guards ( I know I'm not with the popular vote there, but it gives it a certain look with them)
Yup - Still looks the same......
Cool, have a current pic or two for me and these guys to drool over?
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 26, 2012, 10:06:31 PM
Wow - Never seen that one Doug. Click - save!
Wow is what I said as well. I found that ad last Sunday night while trying to organize a box of random photos and stuff. That ad should go to the binder that is with the car.
Quote from: WINGIN IT on January 27, 2012, 08:14:10 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 26, 2012, 04:58:00 PM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on January 26, 2012, 03:27:00 PM
Is that one still in that current paint scheme?
I like it with the mud guards ( I know I'm not with the popular vote there, but it gives it a certain look with them)
Yup - Still looks the same......
Cool, have a current pic or two for me and these guys to drool over?
Here are a few of it leaving it's old home.....
FOGHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Yeah - I threw that pic in there 'cause it's cool!
Wow - We Hi-Jacked the crap out of this thread! :lol:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 27, 2012, 06:05:19 PM
Yeah - I threw that pic in there 'cause it's cool!
Wow - We Hi-Jacked the crap out of this thread! :lol:
Yeah, quite cool , thanks :2thumbs:
Yes, yes we did - sorry to OP.
So you keeping it that way ? :icon_smile_big:
More than likely.... :2thumbs:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 27, 2012, 07:46:41 PM
More than likely.... :2thumbs:
Cool. As is or freshened up in the same scheme?
Just mechanically for now.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 27, 2012, 05:57:41 PM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on January 27, 2012, 08:14:10 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 26, 2012, 04:58:00 PM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on January 26, 2012, 03:27:00 PM
Is that one still in that current paint scheme?
I like it with the mud guards ( I know I'm not with the popular vote there, but it gives it a certain look with them)
Yup - Still looks the same......
Cool, have a current pic or two for me and these guys to drool over?
Here are a few of it leaving it's old home.....
I could have been a contender!!!! :icon_smile_big:
that's a cool car just how it is . :cheers:
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 27, 2012, 08:23:16 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 27, 2012, 05:57:41 PM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on January 27, 2012, 08:14:10 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 26, 2012, 04:58:00 PM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on January 26, 2012, 03:27:00 PM
Is that one still in that current paint scheme?
I like it with the mud guards ( I know I'm not with the popular vote there, but it gives it a certain look with them)
Yup - Still looks the same......
adoption
Cool, have a current pic or two for me and these guys to drool over?
Here are a few of it leaving it's old home.....
I could have been a contender!!!! :icon_smile_big:
adoption
:icon_smile_big:
There was a choice of sending it with a Zappa 8-track, or Foghat. I popped the Foghat one in there at the last minute.
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9531.0;attach=167416;image)
There was a choice of sending it off with a Zappa 8-track, or Foghat. We popped the Foghat one in there at the last minute.
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9531.0;attach=167416;image)
The custom painted blue license plate on the back was done by a vendor at this ISCA show about 1980. Board member TruckDriver took the photo.
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9531.0;attach=167414;image)
Which Zappa? Overnight Sensation? Zoot Alures? Hot Rats?
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 27, 2012, 08:41:55 PM
Which Zappa? Overnight Sensation? Zoot Alures? Hot Rats?
Zoot Allures...
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 27, 2012, 08:41:55 PM
Which Zappa? Overnight Sensation? Zoot Alures? Hot Rats?
lol if he had known it might have been a deal breaker
:smilielol: for i prefer slow ride
Quote from: Aero426 on January 27, 2012, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 27, 2012, 08:41:55 PM
Which Zappa? Overnight Sensation? Zoot Alures? Hot Rats?
Zoot Allures...
Boat could be blasting out Disco Boy to - um - Disco!
HEY! I thought this was the PLAYBOY Channel!!!!
Pete we had a cable outage lol :nana:
:Twocents: I cant see how a daytona destined to a dealer from creative could have left without scoops :Twocents: Prototypes and engineering vehicle being the exception .And if 1 just happened to leave without scoops .What the odds of all available daytonas. Chrysler could have recruited from various sources .That one got used for the photo shoot.Also the proto daytona early car .That could have had black door button push buttons as a 68 and early 69 cars had as seen in the playboy picture.I never seen black button door pushes on later 69 built daytonas
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/WINGCARconversion2.jpg)