It took me a while to find this forum, but I'm glad I did. There are great cars and people on here, and I've picked up a lot over the last couple of weeks cruising the builds.
My car - I sold off my 1955 Chevy advanced design truck, and picked up this 1970 R/T about 5 years ago, but have only been seriously building on it for the last 3. I needed to figure out my direction and plan, and there have been a few changes made as I took apart the car and learned more about it. It came to me as a roller, sans the factory 440/727, with a swapped rear end and a lot of body filler. Goals for the car are simple - it's a no-compromises personal build. It will be built for road trips, the occasional autocross and road course, and be comfortable enough for Power Tour or a trip to the grocery store - it will be driven. It's also my business card. I have a small custom fab shop, and this project acts as a demonstration piece, and it's the first thing everyone sees when they visit. I'm going for a rigid chassis and a suspension that doesn't just roll and rely on one outside tire to maintain grip.
I'll catch up with y'all to get this current. There's 500+ photos in my Google photos folder, so I'll distill it down to the key moments.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/CLDugZrn_X50OoubspB3C06NXPIaTr45Q7p3mhh9wmVRyJT0jVt9BiJQzg_UlMzCr-wRmBBbh8Ah0Mck3wI8H56Qp7oSZmNqcuNLD8GSklw129HAXujkdggZ6oJXa0xAf8SgtksNeNTYtqB3XXFNULUTKonMDpna1kZEQdGWIwCBbckyJv_MUlMHGGWXZ1DR0tlw7REq8TqFhToi2zAENx9NEBUIVdYfIiAEvM3FtfR3T1RsSNbHhyA7DaRHrxyvJycMY_Fuw0R33JfILifUynYgzl4kC2u_0NTfY321Xq9_R94n0NoxZ2gpLSElOtpoGodn2PBXPeBoflM4nahYRhGUS5pXiHXLjqvG8aXWVIIC09c4LK8kND2-Yr5-zi1RC60EcKbnTlp2MVCJxqlhKCd4yr1-ShTuAI60oS-84lVZGpAEgSfaoUk7ciIySdgZmkRp9B_QwSvUa1hJD6ACRWZo_Tk9UxyIeXRuzTD-rQYk_epH6cXC0SFJ1gHs_kworc7KN7ZD4ovyJPOGlFh2xqaHWkIgJis-xpVL4p5xmcOJu1TAPVsBxuHXFqiyoV9VSvZ0_9UlHe0BmYEw6XKYqL67KlWKalOjcZxBEhlqwodpILOE_UbMVxyJLtbNzpO6epdvzI_K7XVWrLW98865yFbUbw=w1024-h767-no)
The day I started taking it apart:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OmV0P90JbGDAQZgLLve4fX5mBEb_OMyZNjnnB1QOKAJjQqAwyovQhwmP1UnnVhuOdUgGWu9UtTY3WelFJ4g3Ccf7hr60P-G9-3T6qgEBqFRAuChMxI4kzbg1HKLtc6HmhDURgjweJEe0LHy7DhYkPve7A5B_MatuvoafAYlkh0QF9CkUIw3qT5nUH6ctwqw_fUPjbPvdryQj2G8MWXz_jJFfKnSBHv9oZ0bxuR3bF2_zAPgaNDtaWXpTfbuliGdlxX7Jm6uN6vV6I6kD2JzG1eJDx4W3wV9f0QaWoryz8LxJGiAVpYE8smAk3og-F6jOMIcEnskwYws5uGaU-lJ29urrDKzhE6bpswYu7IVC0CglYsPO7lonhyuAa4CkY8qfwU3fOn4OKnm7yx9b10ruzOAPD0Cz43ajctJ_0-bCsyMZJDxpO3Nl7y5f7fbX1R8UlP9Dg6iwcyjQeOx1lyaKGC0u7QZgU-xk9dbqu0rLjVP2PHtKQVXbcMLfAwiYUCWibCEeygelLTtM_sX7rR_HfPkPYoUEenhxnyzUVbYqD-3muvyP8FaWAFizclXo-MnrHn-32jaLNt4632WKYiWsTCYArSpuyxFAaxAv3qy66ofOZN7R0X740JuTO2VkVYmcQqsLn0dYuypcm2yq7omY7t1fjQ=w1024-h768-no)
Up on the body cart, this is one the last moments the car looked like a Charger:
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Originally, I had what I believed to be a solid body and floor, but that turned out not to be accurate as the 3M scotch brite pad and DA would go on to reveal. I'll quickly admit I overpaid for a primered car, whose sins were well concealed. This is the moment when I started to figure out I was in for a full on build. Nothing was going to be easy, and I got my mind right about it.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/sfs0B8ucjZH0nbuLN4I5R37EBy8x6Hvc09NLBLnfr71DLB0zE9-Id-_--XlPvdzXabaLTFzMrj_0h9gW2WoisJV9euyimM6M3K_afM74Ceh2mQ6iqvbzCUEuJQk7OdG2dF6T0YBNLeaj87TLQK6wHxFKM-W13j4iTb2K317HEPfzMPKYy5T9QmHE6erav9pG_Mzh67a1v7HfHlcHFF59DxY8DH0OnnunCC8IS2SDeJnf84SqIML0EKUFF6p9vVNE36fYQgwaerIWCZ0quHyEzXuTetLp0UBNn7_J-9XmVcRZP4NBr4EHjLf3z0ifvIqeJl3e_fWjHwAaDcSobsQlUwpTp8NfkKHYdt9pzG7glMzDrza7FKPh9AGrbFnd_jY_0QVujsjtWdMuA6FIt8GzgyOCAeYJ6DH6uf1_tqaH0wHw58uDvH5CmIng71WoLfbLqtLZmu5n2jUNAwJTUrdMCgpXUukweYXRK3MY_J0mEb9TOzonGrkKt6I_DE5DsUfQ5ZAWRgTIBU_Of13k6iZ2DuVuS0ALJxWca39_yXs_6FiKLzZ-V_63fCfBTFvidaotowYl4eGO92j-0jlVoFNayB2lhercxejouPUNUbes6WUq97ryzYZzDu28htk4x_BoP7c8fH3emIxaIPnTPgfJl1LeZQ=w1024-h768-no)
I sanded as much of the body as a could easily access, and took the car to get the rest of the body blasted.
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Back in black. The rails are relatively solid, if a little pitted, and the floor and trunk aren't in great shape.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/8gBZV5VMCwP7mBeaXwMm_WyTvE-zDz_Pz8O9KEF829qUZqQM2bvlGOWTzjmh955e-f8lQnhqJ2fmFvygsAByTBYA3g4PA5h1q7NbN7jmesW-IBIMazbNILCRpxBm_3yjrLg1vXfshliRrzFU4IQgLIx7mwzv-8FF794QmCbRqkuJTdGgnEbtIbmuHlWp5cXhGnJjBJgHjwWXIQLvk6KWaf80-vOwDmVzEgp0EOvWVkrxnam2e-zUGXC40rEzlQjulHh5jNDDZu4thvXOlpNB3_l1Wb5K5lrtF7ZqFuTCjlvOmXevm8_Zf84yY5dUnrhP4Yq2rS1ImnGOl_eZ7LOv3rBhOybXIpi0QpCLziyw9FuxgJkSuT-djfCYKiaqXli89lUme7x5SfloI5vE9eximWSLmPIM7D3_u-hTKiALdFR7zeuILDgjMh1BsZw8GvKjCOjGbMAWqon9bjY53qS0bC52Uar0kJRZR2FyBhLoRLiUuMjSJhzroUL4ogtRksJBgA8kFVXp4jTTqgBxVybZRGEE0KYr5aCnLq2HxqkvCfN_2AZIgVHqtcPR6UEHzjvBNjTpGmpGehU2f9yDdHhywAZ1DC33_z2OSck2ANvAGzWaCNTDTa22D4prXOiPBwIvzhTJ7wFfZtpU5GV0eRlievwpmg=w1024-h768-no)
It escalates from here. Let's roll.
David
Nice! From one 'newby' to another....welcome! :cheers:
Welcome to the forum. I love custom builds! :2thumbs:
Quote from: Birdflu on July 09, 2018, 05:11:34 PM
Nice! From one 'newby' to another....welcome!
Quote from: Lennard on July 09, 2018, 06:16:02 PM
Welcome to the forum. I love custom builds!
Thank you both. I hope you enjoy the build.
With the car in epoxy primer, I started to remove sections of the floor and rockers and rails and...like I said. It escalated. I braced the internal structure in anticipation of building out a heavy duty chassis. The idea was to have a rigidly framed unibody, and that required locking the car to a frame table. I called the guys at US Car Tool, and got their general dimensions for their tables before building my own.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/UdHQwG-ztOxGBq8WUAAUSA912o_Wb6xmpLeOpr84LkAfM1VQFvJw8Ucj60YD_vFDxJfXyLjFYKEZkNnAlFWEgPSV-IaxOXX13fdZsfdiZp5wYjjPPeHUwLfgINHM51nMpwj4pL9E2ytl5grIKmAilVQwFAtGToefN1zRLqvIkiJA1eJK9ULR_67ZZ3lDts1Y6m_8B8cxFvkA3phgUBZ5t_DdcpP_uddY27ZVXACUoNcwtAvSkRz4LzQQBshW1XLMak5FyFMYBuFDGtV0DDFoqR_KfESgLcHtxPv-XeYq4mFy8CH6OGOC4qBOYkKlknafo3PnszR_QgmXlHYMtZGEpr6fdF7KRHi3ewoVxX5zt9N3u4FgAxdyGmclQebl8BiznqkD53ApdlMF1-tOpqGSzKEZK389F-MRIgc9AuOxq3JDAxG_fCPsKByRJbSkoNY0S10ONuotVTcfFhJmlMs2RZMBh4yEMNYqYoGlFh5IXJq6ci_z9MK7s0B7aNINCE5mrRx3kDsFydD7qCiL3JjSzjj9dfy-duO82wTzDPvAAUfhRRZT9aGA1jIi_zOgaFjuQsmD2RZGEPUaoAQivP09DXNz0jhKgiWhMUqc60Fdq81gk8hSKkaAyn85KhUpfjVl7LRBdFV4yK1hEX9qzi60aMoVGw=w1024-h768-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/AGUtavceSy4pt_51ZdugRpFVxLgznAig7JESYP1xm_44hmH4MNC0MjUgmVrPA4-MxZcPpmALeGnSJG22jYyGW5-GTHdT9YpfoJATBaagrRpr5l-hvTxG2-3Ng5KKVU50u11XXTIiSi4OlJXRPQxsMNWyImkyrRW4VIMFIFITe3qIr6MbJgzz1FgR21Wmm3wmXKE9OKqSst6wsd0khFTNSA28ZiZ0iLjwgh1jaDhGIxw7xvMNb_v-dwnCwkT0W7XL0H4IbaKd3S-UIuCtIDJHjHkUdMImbQfKhV8oWQNn02JtUKUoTVfRmvtW3qW1JLgioclCLAAvz2C68pwvl9eor7yE-SndOAfjUDPb5riycidUQI9jN2tx78_8PA6Bh-wk5BEZbR-m3LPy0yyee_ju8KlOmfQbc4KA-BTHXxK9TA5l1Ph5dU6MwNL7k3VDIqgzwKn7KJ4q-_NFBw8I0oxnFGwDviFnZWoI-q75aakbszrolkrRV-u5uc_S_Gli7eoFQfzModyc9xch3Hb0gNkf2WIa2EpHbZbjyNBBshxm7rDrlbUygIbS8NGKt2houBunPj2L30vmNVQrmYb9flrLUkLGDOetMhZbHUB70AXLc_mJL4KaV-jvXL63iDXRTrkveF1u2ChqypoR4qPD1zbG5JgV7w=w1024-h768-no)
Out comes the floor.
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4x4, stacked, with 1/2" threaded leveling feet.
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/6VhhcRmI2jQCK219eYFzL02G53BAd3aaj8kVhBMQkVUzYjJwqxz-AQQTa6q3YoDslRjo_zgSJyI90u5xSJtpdsPSM778bQzTmlTKfMPqyfQltlVxlX5NkUJNuBJribbDENtDGmbr4yp8_AEVGzktXxHsSVEPOh-T63JrRmGWswf4kLDx2ccVYe0gJ2XkeF3JpfPioUeySltiwh1_WaP-9rtVo_xzYzi40cVCP6ifSwJRmimaqMpCfdMxGIXVCdnrlkMlTU52w-G_jExTUp1-IRvXMyTTTARcHThlZ0yUTKUpSYpFG8M0kocRewtp62LyT_awXs33V1OsjcA4tRr2YUt6iNZG15ESwAXwTy3pbEo310hniM3QXF29WnDGzzNJSCWGeoMaa6EUDPuZjU23VeTo4kZvoRasH3qdb74MiOqNV7_8B8fdceUdmRpyllpq2BQF38ICeN8JR5vV6SXImMWunMUHBS-Y4aVY5raz7D7jn8QS2UCzoS42DfzlZVP-kyzUyhmPVigVmPq2sHMEqV5InPJ3KRbX1Ke9jkILvBBZ8aWC84yU8rSKqEsLqJDijeV2ejQqduz_XG9LhRJgZLT5ucNKBW7Y3D3yJifFYYPSVYx2V-UzmNdHik_jN_0-z2d_QC2wG5pFwy_A87ILq2b7gg=w1024-h768-no)
Blocked up, and ready to level.
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Next, locking it down, and figuring out how to build a frame inside the unibody.
David
Beautiful welds :2thumbs:
:coolgleamA: :2thumbs:looking good
Quote from: Lennard on July 09, 2018, 09:03:38 PM
Beautiful welds :2thumbs:
:iagree: :2thumbs:
Welcome aboard to DC.com :2thumbs:
Great community in here.
Nice skills you have there. :cheers:
Nice work, I look forward to seeing the rest of your build.
When you say build a frame inside the unibody, how far exactly do you plan on going? Are you going to remove the factory floor, and create your own floor atop your custom chassis? What suspension do you plan on using?
Quote from: Lennard on July 09, 2018, 09:03:38 PM
Beautiful welds
Thank you. After replacing the potentiometer in my Hobart, I feel like I've really got it dialed in.
Quote from: tan top on July 10, 2018, 12:33:37 AM
looking good
Appreciate it.
Quote from: VegasCharger on July 10, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
Welcome aboard to DC.com
Great community in here.
Nice skills you have there.
Glad to be here, and thanks for the welcome. I'm summarizing, but I've made plenty of mistakes and learned something from most all of them. Practice, practice, practice.
Quote from: JR on July 10, 2018, 09:38:38 AM
Nice work, I look forward to seeing the rest of your build.
When you say build a frame inside the unibody, how far exactly do you plan on going? Are you going to remove the factory floor, and create your own floor atop your custom chassis? What suspension do you plan on using?
I'll have more detailed photos coming, but think of it as a Roadster Shop or Art Morrison chassis built inside the unbody. Everything is replaced and built new, including about 20% of each of the 4 frame rails. Custom floor will go on top of that. Suspension is Magnum Force transformer up front, and Chris Alston torque arm in the rear.
I'm sorting out the next batch of photos, and will post shortly.
David
:popcrn: :popcrn:
looking forward to this build!! Looks great so far :cheers:
Going back through my photos, I remembered this slight detour of rust repair and rocker exploration.
The car was home to at least a couple of mice. I found a rattlesnake skin in the trunk shortly after bringing it home. I'm sure the two are unrelated.
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Qc7KDjdNwK6qLvdNe9KR-eyGoX_4quL3PIe1ccIqh-fBpQvz5YhwCPMIhO9FWdLZ_I3qDwdzyMZhXktAqe-8PIaq4jzskel1kRS2nHmfyeJhpWe1kjVCc_Uh0uNkYwkOn6OM0xTlgBhStf65vTM9fyf5I8jmtcS_FsU8G5-wKbLmSDBO3je3dip8nqSyu_fqdenPsS-F9xbneoJ4AUKIVZHrsx6yyIXZeRxsPMUbGZqdN6xPUCtDP9vk7f9eyjHCN3mhsTYNEJ_8v9wmkV0saw8WUP3l0b2JPC0Di4NNgrTPxEv0ysAzNoSEyFSGiG2ARzVH9-adQLdzmv1vzN8XhkidxblJUmvlGcfPiLHoXahL40eDw-5Lppm9N3LUy6JroBytMJMPlMl70p4TTiTi4MRF9-Ev_8nStmmtlMJVgW4_P6MQTXwzcT1FJLAhNU-G3_C2RSDhs7E6gOGLf7WEDQkhUpiRVw9syXvVeaWJRnqxZWDomTqA7Lyxc46MLN-hc76GU7rWck7bpx0UdpdtiIAq_3kgoWQMm1nOtQbjZ-PkAbVV6owPo5NOq2CifirxPCwwTP6ACpcgM3mwaOdUA2Qaovo_2077TjDXKlMF0bhlJWdcTnZB5BidD_6-8OSD0xZstXDMHlJ9576Swefhn_ijrg=w1024-h768-no)
The rockers were fairly boogered up on both sides, but not enough to do a full replacement panel from AMD. Knowing my general plans for a larger inner rocker beam, I decided to build my own patch panel and abandon the convoluted factory shape toward the rear in favor of something simpler that will (eventually) do a better job draining moisture that comes down the quarter glass.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ewgqtdpLc9PgMHv0v4AtUtZlkg3tii3lPBb6jf5-OxRYTmGRyBIKkbljor9H_VkQ3twkFUXlUbQKmsJ3ejr9hCx6aFJZcTF1ueVpU1V3ZwkaFWdLL4IRYl53HqquIXK6vr_qnTCcDrgIVrLj3dpd48VCvRC-NQrlt5NcIsR_dDorKDqX1yKpHVw55FSv9tWe64CaCgGmKYA05AshyEJhT7L0gdlaAneGpaC1rMF_ApzD_81Ruj4MMc0nXwQ_XhQLlch4Y6MBywgBxBzDv8l5TMTBzLXYsCWbhLt5A_yWatD9IFmI-jaAKkuE1c48h-zBxmCrehOf6awHWhNxDHt6MRU6FvRGR7vauGQbkiqXSASpSZFkS8TXo-AUyHbGmlnknyLYNx3Gn7gIqSF9eNb_xvTZcQ-Mk9QOevh0E7A-8VYW5GxkqSmXEHlFMBqBn7vwymu5fyuDL05TrIp1EBZQCo48JReJaWIWUxaCeSw28B1vSOjaaUXe61TvOLdpY0HeKO9eMxr_5KJX2oXZyXFfC3kYeWqM-1hXZqgbF4o6AyyDk1jAxEgmlbX9npANLbzVxw5bSsjzuMppNWWTfrZjyjHqN5nxIAh_Q1v_SCdtXDuC36vKT_4yvgWQEywc7mz8YaIKZUqfayugfiDvOgT_uLFiwQ=w1024-h768-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/mzV6gA-ehpRY0jo7YHG68FKNf8zJmai0dNKldLIwJZR3S5XhA2LqY0x4JXqV8vPhCmR46wqSNfoY9UzxC6owUo3F_lW0bgqGDBxiQd4jnqzzgocIik0dqm6Gzy2LlDdT9zlY41iwuBoipJWwZREHUsoythe9tiYJii7qefcRqtSU61zy2EnTu1YQv0rcAtZIcfhkLBbXPmFotpRwHgIxYD3VKpks8UoRCdibnuQXb09rMJsTqo5B0O6HPvfztvKWomVc1xVaMo25qQj1cGmBAI958yTJRHrhVmjsFlNNiZAqGXZ_TsApTcMIFgMmJ6dQv33k-qGn_EBjRd9Yy-tdyTqGXrAkxvjv8wI1igp3CTkf3t9ETuPOVQ_DTTSRnZWGtlMkIE_dy3JplutjG7GOY0K_5kxSMLcJzqLw4dIHM8JcLq5oCbCklWGkV3R9UphMTjpp5-QOpNmXwM83g65lG1xxLUxZ6iif8AIKkGT71PMGHBG6i5gDEVO6E3JisX8yQV8TLiATMxYm8lUB83hVoyK0BIYJr-nsBp-xTGv95K_GYsAN6VUWhG1-OKLSYWsbQTZcQnY7mxpE09gGbhFs6OpaCQAJ75g72CbNwcKEd1T9REdi7YYrGdcaVB5fTpIf5UzkoWhpHrgSp-q8JMgunwG0JQ=w1024-h768-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/I9kEuQtU8kEosnEpnOcutCSoTNLhSIMZvZRKJ5bLceIPqREeKSF8O8EuiXJeL7DEKuMBsPJBIYFT3Cu_lRbbyTh_ukhGv1OK6JmWuuTn0GyeEwrTliW1XcndIgBeGZQTKeRfm3iYxQerZbTygRyf7IWT9sppIoOI0NLSELe_SCDuTfqBytV3gg_zmokAlgn4t9A8T8_rSVy29vAf0SxzEUVWtPgR9k3Lydc8lvYlyiECzEGbFaWzqA1cizn1PM5AHGn3hcYDBgqtkZWsS6jWjC6sB1lNSvyiEltuLKlE5DTronxA3bBdVH5z8-XyZ8dEtMLs2N_VJ1lCbqTfEA6eqTFZbBO9jnrNPCVka0Yh-uFH4l91NdJ3uS7O760DUN0CI_fFmVzIFb6Zaog50CDuCMLQdABr3yE9B24l9yt9-eTCedjzAhIX5jmCnKEd6dUJqiE4FQNd0L3770U5I6t8IUoE3KJFfHGP05D_F9eCKTiKu9wucyqsTagPRT6-drEIskav-41-O0hiZJ6Xbjuum3FF0vMBOmwHW0jI3FyywPOa0kphNMajubcz5uYEp0c12hhIN3s_mKhBn4Td8HT-wpdWVjKVO6U8ON83ARw9NgIcA9g91iIXLFnQfW9VSkhtkZ5uVNsYagoT9OrnTYizdy3hFQ=w1024-h768-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/h2fXjoHSE_Sv53N1xrA_Kml2oZOyi28Q-pqdTY-meA79L5jajRQZUMYjDtnUft1oQT3WYSq8WXrKC61A3DKMyBxnULVEYu6svenmjIfEDutZzkQS3Vc9uLuOMF0uXuHK_JKS3eCCiijQ8wSN3RI6wxwxuUPWhOwz-J8I5WiLLMjMILFSCKHTazMtaVfm68aqnZGqDzOLeZ7S3GtQKHslIb-Gi3l1R9GzerDBYBsSmpu3Cb9jOjSDCUkIp1nVAoWNcU6TasBfzJEJcSuuOnL0VNpKswUAWkD9mkIQ9gB_YnZyeK039-iBcGFoACKfX8LEgMKIza1wRgKIN8kKxDLR53-bBGWYqTgJJ0drSNGmO4EozTteIWyixT6ALZkfN37TboW7Z7dXEdg0JVSU_8gW3OjK7i0gO7YbYOUKjus7hxb8hVo_EOqLiY_7KTMSn7ZLrYJBix-g29SLMJc63Wo61mohTAbUFY3Fqx3UZhmk9P6xwfnHwzozFKnaDPaKvtdmJ3B80ztQSMG1Ntxr3qxhiEx_6ypR1ntt5okz1meUz6Gq8Sgo2MLHb7TRgMeoyho32hYGuNI-DBDXk55OcJTks-jWegwAQsoqMz6ip1LQnGA5J6Qmsbue4VwHTwPnL0t6_fh7HUDECOwEVB54iCCSUF5cqA=w1024-h768-no)
Just another patch. Still have to do the other side, but I'm putting it off until I get the chassis to a better pausing place.
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/H0jDOjN97Hq_0VS5YsSuAUb5bb8TOQsXAnDcMZeBgZbdix3XW6urQSeoAl6_q-1AyL1e26Kf9DfrEdzw1RzHQKBwA8AUdT2SC7D6vMiVPWNa1NZ1aCCVS3f6XyIv_xAuxqVOWKUqxh3NzymA8OQ5mevHlbQ-QJhRsY4imCDb1soGdZrRNJeZ1v2Eb033VvFISHwBDYfeZLSVBBno1OoK2fFC-woFnYW6q36WBzSQoQ2awFsoB6UzfhtvMQP08t2KTRGfQ_MLxv1RXk9A0sL4SOq-kNC4NM1NAfTT3_0UEk1jbcpyqGUjFN13MHOQFR5wLTwsOSshyv5Kkhoi6l0B-TbhujQ-JjAYpI4lKoj-eWg2bju67Z52P2kBDQm0EgM6E5ozNzxCzXW8Ng1pRfYz3mlh-bswpyT4ugOQtzYr2SBapb0oEjI7L0UcDFIn_faBFOxOFDQygpxjza3EgJW17CmIJOd0Pb3duwUa4PxpxImk11fUs6mgXm0dLZK2ZLzY1tfRdQB-OKr1T6X7jbt7Wc-1zTaaOHKvzDx3C5wjyb9fR0xywqWLUNUy0VQvKxihR5mTP0HTk2iDHjzPaNpwutfnLcukWdyaetZTlFpCL7WsnvE6rXsk1mCZkSjXx-GzrxqODIixO53IBZVsbvTwhsKnbg=w1024-h768-no)
One more. I actually ended up ordering the AMD panel for this - much more time efficient, but this was fun to make.
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I would go on to trim the rockers even further. I did it one small slice at a time as I refined the rocker beam design, which will be in the next batch of photos.
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Up next, Rev0 of the inner rocker beam, it's abandonment, and the Rev1 that superseded it and is on the car today.
David
From the start, I knew I wanted to significantly reinforce the chassis on the car, but that concept evolved as I started taking it apart. Initially, I segmented a 4x3 piece of rectangle tubing, intending to sandwich the existing inner rocker between the two pieces of (now) C channel. That didn't work, as the tubing lost its shape and was a bear to straighten.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/06MSrTtUgbsnDcqphWW5lPR6CxgEixlbDt_UmrUcMuF-skIf3fGVwk6PBUfRODx1dRlXLwLOOL020edrn2MEt3jpC0wYJ1nx1yzScbygSb9AfIdzqyHkt1fgy2stjhxHsM6Rr66_0csO6ef2sjFyY_sz_IlP5IoNu_x4l0bTiKae3xh5gLxpKez1hQtz4ubRnt8kpBlwJaTSwp-ruiVeiF7P1D1dwU0YYwmnCs_S-5R-3hgf3nSY9I52Al-tC0ZXVogvagoL9zTBdVRDCt_AFyLpNKQrrV0eU6EdwR-XyBplJZ8dhOEpvrqLQBbELJngqgY_MpCf9V2yUtXh1RnviNvg91KvmxtrgGf_BS5ok2D1fPGXUCdFV3TiaQ1D_MCY8Hv7eTqse1un3SMn_grPI5WHUphra26JF_oudokB20Hwi3GFrpWyCk59o71sdMKO75fdP3y9iY4VfuBf6MR2Mhmtja4UpX4H8jG3qo7_w88ngCvbhRtn_b70FBS5HruCtrHrxSgszx0w3ki9PrCfYnWVIANgQTG_PN872nJvaB895agfVYRuaObzPRQH23_ypd5HgEcvMa4DGlIoeBMzcWMr7Ae0tFHhQQlAXxGe_OXUm0fSWA88flg7d8QsobKrEdL4faHwaBbAV1ctiuSptSFhkw=w1024-h768-no)
I wasn't convinced I could make the chassis square using this method, so I abandoned the design, and went simpler, but slightly heavier. I press-braked a piece of .120 plate, and adjusted the profile to match the bottom of the rocker lip, adding dimples in line with future cross members.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jRea6a3OzWxt3SbhYbue9945AT1AQZbwx2sr1esLL5ATDIivlEwDsp3tvhnmUbIMAW7auzwpxnfL81pFSdpMtkfd90I-VEurUEwrkJmY7psRnKsH9wqamszXfJXE2uYSeh4aNAdbmN-cvcScz0q6B5gc0QJWeeu2tkFqcyj-g9-gn4OrTqO1Mb0EskFX4qcfuifpXwHB4X2XoxeRrw0ibKCGJ4Qb88Yi-tXP8ZFribXPjY8BAPX5fKIbUolpQOSJqGZdkCT8A8NZm7RBJw3tWWMc_ctkJpKI7CXx5ejCHkDCGfyaIX0GlqEYX9wvT8HIzZvYLEwRzW_LGjD2omWrxMgtIdYy1np3gYldMFsZ_EnmDxDN9wZlWW644sKHdWTCo7n0sNkJjLBa23jEjJY53iDiLoVUoeKipqKLYu8KHuAUgCg_EadLgmERnCWS7Dex44w9dA3TXAzDb_hofmObvd_FDGSLrqyLVDECIEuDOs6YO6cT_6Q2lpJQ8qSFcMYXaHfHm3O9s8tPoKZd58AmKSZ7FRF3V0KS_z1GBvjdp9tDCJFJ_YQQYMeMMffjiplr-DB0RrW2R9L7JMHI5UPS7xL5eDcPyg3E1WHSdfJxcJyZijrkSHJ6X8aTdAK2la3Jv0tGJboUPgEhTFYL7If-pSkKMg=w1024-h768-no)
Small gussets internal to the rocker plate. Likely overkill, but I took out a lot of the original reinforcement to make this fit.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/VrHqAFMhk7e9876S6U274dFzLeZaRrLTKvRMvvZ9rpVVLlFtYdc6Mu8CzkFWhvKLXuFH560Xs_9tB6mw-JpzH54xqw5dK8emqA4cjUEfA7MYs2JZ4lsqWRqaCCw50_5asS40eyh4zGzzUEm2BzuQ08peKyta4dAySOhYX9RQFXCExDSqhHi94bVCTTUrfF7UWfGgnYE8TtIGXcQkMjQi7TorfUtSPy82AGefbVN2u7En4qmuBvn2GJhHpqvqBVy0pOA7SnpAEo1Wi65o0ze5f01Oad0n3kWk9q9QGhu0kydpZOzSH7F2GuvzBaeeZxdkiLq_yyoQoPe5F6pcLfr8dHqhSvFJ4j5McYUl0tsY_YLyBdlg26aRkaXHPcXp0M-xzO2MCaEx1JRaQiU7hbETBSJVSMGHkgIxS_tC1XRtXDZ3tlkOkkeAL3-RD6b_A2h4D8BMPV9lV2_UMWlshlipCyKlIg2DT-93jfkhNZtRte4DOKIB23rGo5ty4trX0o5Zz7KqFh1eMS2VVW2MH2eNh9yk0_CqPWhYyjG54f9q3_ZWTnlwr34Q_hfDQqoHM7mdqPrqDG41rGrs_NJeCDNQb-YpVa314dxSHfI31KLrwHniwB0CoElE_W2pUvWgxl6FUxEWKD2saNm2yAWFgZnzXshd8w=w1024-h1365-no)
The rocker panel was then tied to a fully intact 4x3 rocker beam, measuring about 77" long. These are the centerpieces of the newly fortified chassis, and why I would still call this a unibody. They extend forward of the pinch weld by about 4", and allow for a large torque box to marry the front rails to the rocker beams.
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Next up, tying the rocker beams together and integrating them into the rails. Sorry for the slow pace, but it take some time to download and resize the pictures.
David
Looking real good! Can't wait to see the progress on this one.
What's the plan for wheels and paint?
Man nice work! :2thumbs:
Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on July 10, 2018, 06:45:21 PM
Looking real good! Can't wait to see the progress on this one.
What's the plan for wheels and paint?
Planned tires are a 305/30 on a 19x11 and 325/30 on a 19x12. Wheel style will be in line with a BBS CH, but since that's not available in the size I need, I'm thinking more along the lines of the US Mag PT.3. They make a good forged custom offset wheel that will powder coat to most anything in the PPG catalog. But candidly, I'll be running 26" plywood wheels before any of that.
The car was originally F8 green, and I'd like to keep in the green family if a little bit darker. I'm still a ways off from settling on the exact details, but a dark green is almost a certainty.
Quote from: Back N Black on July 10, 2018, 07:01:49 PM
Man nice work!
Thank you. I'm learning a lot as I go, and am glad to share the progress.
David
Impressive 'fab' skills! :2thumbs:
With both rocker beams in place, it was time to start reconnecting the rails to the rockers. They'd been apart for 18 months while I worked on two large client projects, and that time really helped me figure out how to integrate this new rectangle tubing assembly into the factory 14ga rails. In short - overlays and frame plating.
Both rockers were level and square and held in with dozens of tacks in the plug weld holes and along the bottom of the rocker. I favor using a lot of small tacks to hold things together and in square prior to burning it all in. I measured across the pinch welds way back before disassembly, and took a lot of other dimensional notes so everything would go back together as original. It didn't take much finessing to hit the 62.25" from the outside of each pinch weld, and the 4x2 crossmember captured and held the dimension.
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The new floor profile requires both front and rear rails to be trimmed.
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Again, 4x2s slide into the newly cut rails. Overlay plates and some internal gussets will make the 14ga sections more closely match the torsional rigidity of the .120 tubing.
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4x4s close out the torque box shape.
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Burned in, and I'll blend these later as I start integrating the rear overlay plates.
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Next, integrating the rocker beams to the rails. We're getting close to caught up.
David
Some killer fab skills.
Damn nice welds to I might add
Your work looks great! Keep it up. Thanks for posting it. What are some of your other builds you have done?
Quote from: gtx6970 on July 11, 2018, 01:53:26 PM
Some killer fab skills.
Damn nice welds to I might add
Hey, thank you. I'm always learning more as I go, and I'm fortunate to have a good network of coaches and mentors.
Quote from: 67440chrg on July 12, 2018, 09:33:44 AM
Your work looks great! Keep it up. Thanks for posting it. What are some of your other builds you have done?
Appreciate it. I have one more batch of photos to catch up, and we'll be current.
I've done quite a few small fab projects - bumpers, garage doors, a mailbox, etc. Prior to the Charger, I built my suburban over the course of 20 years, but it was never down for too long. This car is my first "from scratch" build, and it makes me want to do more. I'll probably build my wife a tri-five next.
David
With the rear of the chassis welded and tied to the frame rails, I started work to duplicate up front.
Torsion bar crossmember is out, firewall removed, and ready to start templating torque boxes.
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Torque box cutaway.
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Blended, ready for install.
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Rails are trimmed flush with the boxes, and just a small amount remaining at the bottom.
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Burned in.
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Each box is 5x4.
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From stem to stern, the chassis and rails are all connected again.
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Next, frame plating.
David
Very nice, love to watch this type of build, very interesting.
The front frame expansion is intended to improve the beam strength between the shock towers and the torque boxes. Rather than fabricate new rails, I took a page from the dune fab playbook, and designed overlay plates to improve the 14ga sheetmetal rails.
First overlay plates on front outside rails. Plug and perimeter welds will make these act together as one.
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I take time to make sure that the rails are smooth and level before applying these overlay plates, which means lots of small TIG welds to fill pick marks and other imprefections. Details like this matter to me.
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Inner rail flange trimmed and TIG welded. Now ready for the interior plate.
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One more plate connects the torque box to the shock tower, and that's what I'm working next.
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There we go. All caught up. I'm back out in the shop fitting the passenger interior plate, and future updates will be real-time.
David
:drool5: :drool5: WOW
That's going to be a rigid and BEEFY Charger. :thumbs:
Quote from: Lennard on July 12, 2018, 01:11:04 PM
That's going to be a rigid and BEEFY Charger. :thumbs:
better for the Jumps :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: Lennard on July 12, 2018, 01:11:04 PM
That's going to be a rigid and BEEFY Charger.
I just finished the second interior plate, and started fitting the final inside plate. That will give a full picture of where we're going.
Quote from: moparstuart on July 12, 2018, 03:19:48 PMbetter for the Jumps
I do plan to drive it hard...
David
Nice. Any rough idea what the finished curb weight will be?
WOOT!
I had a grin on my face while reading all the way through this thread. Very nice work! As a former auto body guy I do appreciate your eye for detail. And yes, those welds are nice! I will enjoy following your build. :2thumbs:
Very cool reinforcing. Are you doing anything for side-impact above the rockers, i.e. the doors? Or other impact areas?
Or is this more just for general chassis rigidity?
Quote from: JR on July 12, 2018, 08:40:45 PM
Nice. Any rough idea what the finished curb weight will be?
Targeting 3500ish lbs dry weight and before I wedge my 6'3" frame into the driver seat. The chassis is the largest single weight penalty (250-300ish lbs net plus), and the cage will be 4130 but still 60ish lbs. For reference, a Roadster Shop b-body chassis weights about 650lbs, and that doesn't include a floor.
Quote from: Dino on July 12, 2018, 09:00:44 PM
WOOT!
I had a grin on my face while reading all the way through this thread. Very nice work! As a former auto body guy I do appreciate your eye for detail. And yes, those welds are nice! I will enjoy following your build.
It was fun retelling some highlights of the build, and I'm glad you're enjoying it. I've learned a ton through this process, and appreciate your encouragement.
Quote from: Homerr on July 13, 2018, 09:44:43 AM
Very cool reinforcing. Are you doing anything for side-impact above the rockers, i.e. the doors? Or other impact areas?
Or is this more just for general chassis rigidity?
There will be a modest cage, and some low profile door bars. I don't want to kill ingress/egress and make it a pain to just get in and drive. I'm not shooting for a super low ET, so an 8 point should be plenty. Most everything I've posted is about improving chassis rigidity.
Last night's progress - passenger side interior plate is in, and inner plate is mocked up. The passenger rail flange is trimmed and welded in preparation for fitting the interior rail plate.
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Plate is fit and in. Working with the rails up close like this, it's easy to see the variations in assembly from left and right. It makes it impossible to reference and measure from features, and I have to rely on finding level and measuring from set points on the frame table.
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Now, it's easier to see where we're going. The rails are about 7" tall at the crease, and the interface between the torque box and rail is a square 5". Recall that the boxes are 5" wide and 4" tall, so the interface is width matches the depth and the plates internal to the boxes also align with the overlay plates.
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It's a lot of steel up front, but the improved stiffness should be worth the small amount of added weight. I'm looking to get back out there tonight.
David
Looking good! I like the paint it green idea a lot... :popcrn:
I'm not afraid to change a design when it isn't working. There was a part of the interior and inner frame where they overlapped and created a 1/4" thick segment of rail. While I acknowledge my offroad fabrication past, this isn't a stunt car and doesn't need 1/4" rails. I segmented the two plates and replanned my weld steps, and added about 1.5 lbs of lightness to this little bit of of the project.
Rev1 inner frame plates tacked and cleco'd. I'm building the top and lower plates today and this week.
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David
Really interesting build.
You picked some good areas to stiffen. The OEM rockers/boxes are flimsier than we'd like and there was flex in the front subframe/firewall/cowl structure.
The lower rad support (I see you've got it hacked off) is another area that could use stiffening, although if you've got a permanently mounted K-frame then that would do the same job.
What kind of suspension is in store for this thing?
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BTW, I think you're being a little optimistic on the curb weight goal of 3500 lbs.
For reference, a nicely loaded stock 440 R/T is about 3800 lbs. Some can hit 4000 with extra cabin insulation and the usual roadside emergency stuff.
After all the cast iron parts under the hood get switched to aluminum (including the block) it might be down 200-230 lbs. That would probably break it even with the extra steel weight you are adding.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on July 15, 2018, 09:33:09 PM
BTW, I think you're being a little optimistic on the curb weight goal of 3500 lbs.
Yes I am, but there's a plan. Also, I won't get in a twist if I tread water at 3800.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on July 15, 2018, 09:33:09 PM
What kind of suspension is in store for this thing?
Magnum Force transformer up front and a torque arm/watts link in the rear.
David
This might do you some good. It's a partial list of 68/69 Charger component weights. It was mostly done by holding the part in my hands while standing on a bathroom scale. Some of them aren't perfect but it's all in the ballpark.
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Unibody shell (completely bare) - 635 lbs (lighter than you'd think!)
front bumper/brackets assy – 50 lbs
(just the A-shaped brackets – 10 lbs each)
front fenders – 30 each
(bare, solid metal)
hood - 65
front grille frame - 18 (bare)
complete grille assy - 30ish
front valance – 10
(with lights installed)
K-frame - 45
(bare)
LCAs – 10 each
(with mounting shafts)
factory swaybar - 12
(with all brackets)
**** total of 927 lbs up to here ****
doors – 75 each
(almost complete, all glass/trim/vent windows/outer handles, but no upholstery or paint)
trunklid – 30
dashboard frame – 17
(bare)
instrument cluster – 6
(complete)
front bucket seats – 47 each
(complete, intact, w/tracks, but not headrests)
back seats – 25 upper, 25 lower
(complete/intact)
door/side panels:
upper 4 – 13
lower 4 - 12
center console – 16
(complete, automatic top plate, no shifter)
(just the top plates – 6)
**** total of 1315 lbs up to here****
Quote from: Willomet_Motor_and_Fab on July 12, 2018, 11:52:15 AM
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Great place to loose a socket...
Awesome work, I have been following this on another site as well..
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on July 15, 2018, 11:14:02 PMThis might do you some good...
That's a great list, and thank you for sharing it. I recall the unibody being lighter than I had imagined. You highlight areas where I intend to focus:
front bumper/brackets assy – 50 lbs: I bought a TIG machine specifically so I could work with aluminum, so I'm going to try my hand at fabricating a sheetmetal aluminum version of the bumper. I might also buy a glass or CF one.
front fenders – 30 each: Can't do much here except simplify the core support mounting and eliminate the headlight buckets to suit my planned grill design. They do get slightly trimmed to match the rocker beams, but I may have to build new fender arches to clear the 305 fronts. I doubt I can net any weight savings.
hood - 65: I'm seriously considering a Speedkore CF hood. They're expensive, but knocking 50 lbs off the front of the car is hard to pass up.
complete grille assy - 30ish: Like with the bumper, I'm building an aluminum grill assembly and support structure. Not sure what that takes out, but probably a little bit.
front valance – 10: Maybe I squeak out a pound or two with the slightly enlarged intake opening, and the light buckets will likely be used for brake ducts
trunklid – 30: I think I could pull up to 5 lbs out of this with extensive use of my punch and dimple dies. Again, Speedkore CF is a serious consideration.
front bucket seats – 47 each: The heaviest Recaros are 31 each, with all their seat-cooling-and-heating-lumbar-adjustable goodness. The lightest seat I could legitimately enjoy for longer than 2 hours has a CF back shell and weights 15.5 lbs.
back seats – 25 upper, 25 lower: What's a back seat?
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on July 15, 2018, 09:33:09 PM
The lower rad support (I see you've got it hacked off) is another area that could use stiffening, although if you've got a permanently mounted K-frame then that would do the same job.
Going back to this comment, I'm uncertain about the lower front support. I have the XV piece, and it would work well with some fitting, but I'm considering leaning the radiator forward and building a tubular support structure. I definitely have plans to expand the K member, and will run a lower shear plate/tube structure.
Quote from: Derwud on July 16, 2018, 08:19:44 AM
Great place to loose a socket...
Awesome work, I have been following this on another site as well..
I’m trying my best not to close up the rails with my tools inside, but there is still a long way to go. I thought I recognized your screen name, and I'm glad you're enjoying the build. Thanks for the feedback.
Again, the conversation on this site is great.
David
Fine fitting the top plates, which consumes a crapload of time to get the open corner welds set just right.
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On the plus side, I'm finally getting a feel for welding these original 14ga rails. It's been challenging finding the right setting without bringing up the contaminants on the inside of the rail where there's still some old corrosion and (now) Eastwood primer. I broke the process into two, and have used it successfully several times now.
First pass with .045 wire.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/CiQASIPU6y_I0-sEJCldJ1rxLACrtwda7-uw6s4z3kTwNRD0SDoRYm3A_9TMTI8Our5oVu5pRfXMDgr4WZID6XFB1PeCLiGEce2BP3gdr3WjrtzDhWZlhuOd9aeoxxyK5qux1px5glMPzHT8MGDY955iwyEKj61DVljxjfpWq_b4uhMuLTFBkjxPCkNqi3RAWctZ_oyEz24RV4lnfCRFYK9kTSnkpw1uiod8Bo8TE3AJNnXZBRJn8B-FO5GkmyYCJ6IOjnrah5JPEot9tjQRgINKNvrnCOvBE96W-4f_zs2d7I1SJEHpatGibZbZS0ZlW8ONoCkpLW72D6KlwaWr-Z5hTzCcIT1uog9rn_PDJ8QJF9MYuCnSJoTSTtvGCt66Is8MihCotBIJZbWnA24Ph7zb19jgI2WdrIJo9V2-pOo0DUjWvqL5Cw4hsq0bWiRB-5b35gZ1pXcVXYx7YbLoP_bLsMlLM1NAkap1O30Y3Mq4tlP5aMGYGzzaNKyhqs7632FMsq98Qqwg605eJC-YAWLSUlSSuWtuuflzrOeiqjRBynPOFCazekPw_j2A4drWaXGApWz8DP9eOp6A1CMXASxArN5yiDhRtL8HFcJ7a_zDVzxxWul7N-HeRlWl9nSccF2Hfvu42c7WJuITotoUT_EXLw=w1024-h768-no)
Cover pass with 1/16
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/RkIPkx-nna67XZME0ey372q8fLbMjNhdG8SKGFBiAaZrj_2CniYR2cvxzu9GnyS4t2MhZPdHGK8gnEBJgIyW5mSQ8Zq-MT_-ybN49wsdRLvnU9gKIlTOjxhV_3kOqow_chrhAIFw9g6zpCdrqvl0iJiUrP90DOB8MR_razaEukkEuPvW4Uv9wN6l_Iin_jisF9fRgGQr14Zej_wmmMNIiI-8CRJKJxLTXA1W5yku1K7TOf_Vuh8wTwhqepA5OwP2mMaLlSNvnMdRVIzk4QuUvZ4ffWrrKOhN3fxNCMdIrm3M4yUNifvE-jQaHzp39cWkMBYgmzQphs9VSe-xtJkYxJCoafZW0EwjNTwdhkjn-txG1K0X3Pf-Nqgt4zhSv0VBQtrZD3R-KH82C8d1eq0HIbRka-sG7v-5DsqxOMbPikc7ISQTls10lh2BUCISdJdDb4I38rTK1hn96H5l9kcZQO7GsBXW8apt9r-PC00N6J8feke1OmAKpzp3djqVsmdcgpnWH94lN6t888MTD5QI04QyAavOT82ReBzr991ymnrEYG6i9jV0Tw1kxd60Q0EE1UkbqOUbddMThXGe7ha6ttlJva_4CEx9sMa801t7KMoc3GLkrEHUHab0TDqzsCcwi4mL8cXUD0C-D-CvDhcXNt9mEA=w1024-h768-no)
More to come. It should only get up to 105 today.
David
Looks like it'll be pretty solid. Love the Rocker frame rails
Great job. I love this thread! :2thumbs:
Jeff
Quote from: MxRacer855 on July 18, 2018, 09:09:44 AM
Great job. I love this thread!
Thanks, Jeff. It’s a lot of fun to build, and I’m pulling ideas from some great threads here.
Quote from: 68pplcharger on July 17, 2018, 11:42:17 AM
Looks like it'll be pretty solid. Love the Rocker frame rails
When I saw this particular chassis while visiting The Roadster Shop, I immediately knew what I wanted to do.
(http://roadstershop.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/IMG_8757-1024x683.jpg)
They use a slightly smaller rocker beam, and set everything up to use C6 suspension parts, which I'd prefer to keep the factory rails and use Magnum Force parts. They use 10ga everywhere (.134"), whereas I'm using 11ga (.120 or .125 depending on the shape of the material), along with a planned .095 4130 cage. They rate their chassis for up to 2000 hp. I'm going for about 35% of that figure, so I'm sure 1/8 will do.
David
Sweet welding skills! :cheers:
You'll be fine at 700hp, overkill for sure. Nice thing is you'll have room to increase hp later on down the road. My car is around 1000 hp mark and I only did a roll cage on top of frame ties (1/8" seam welded to the stock floor), all behind the firewall. In front of the firewall: Tied the frame below the core support, Gusset the k frame, install 1-3/4" roll cage under the fenders from the shock tower to a 1/4" plate bent to the shape of the firewall (welded to the fire wall and tied to the roll cage inside). Also some tubing triangulating the shock towers top side to the center of the firewall. Rigid as hell and allows for some road racing fun. Yours is beyond that with a roll cage on top. should be a lot of fun.
Quote from: Hemidog on July 19, 2018, 01:48:54 AM
Sweet welding skills!
Hey, thank you. Lots of trial and error and spent argon preceded these photos.
Quote from: 68pplcharger on July 19, 2018, 02:45:24 PM
You'll be fine at 700hp, overkill for sure. Nice thing is you'll have room to increase hp later on down the road....
I'm comfortable at that level, too. I could never make full use of the 550hp I had in my Cadillac, and even 350hp seemed like all I could handle in my boy-racer STI. I can't imagine "needing" more than 700hp, especially since I don't have a sub 11.49 ET in mind. I still recall when 500hp was on the ragged edge for a street car. Now, it's just a conversation starter.
Then again, your power rating has a comma, and that's pretty F'ing cool.
David
Damn, everything looks so clean and organized! Nice work!!
I would worry less about the horsepower taxing the frame and more about the huge sticky tires.
Using 0.120" seems fine though. The factory subframes were only like .070" thick at best, with the rocker boxes even less.
:popcrn:
Quote from: Finn on July 20, 2018, 06:16:31 PM
Damn, everything looks so clean and organized! Nice work!!
Thanks man. I try to keep the shop organized, since clutter distracts and frustrates me. I sweep at the end of each day, and when a project segment concludes (like the rockers or these front rails), I pause for an afternoon to do a full clean up and blow out the metal and dust that gets everywhere. I'm kind of picky about it, but keeping a clean shop is one key differentiation I have over many larger shops, and you never know when a client wants to visit.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on July 21, 2018, 07:58:59 PM
I would worry less about the horsepower taxing the frame and more about the huge sticky tires.
Using 0.120" seems fine though. The factory subframes were only like .070" thick at best, with the rocker boxes even less.
Looking around at some autocross builds, my planned 305/325 tires will seem pretty average, but they're definitely larger than what came on it originally. I really like working with .120 in general. It's a minor step up from 14ga, so open corners are easily welded with .024 wire on the mig (loads of puddle control), and I usually do two passes on the TIG (.045 and 1/16) to get the profile I like.
Weekend progress:
If y'all are tired of looking at front frame rails, too bad. There's still a good ways to go, but we're down to final fitment and welding. All the plates are welded, blended, and required only minor refitting to account for shrinkage. All the Clecos holes still line up, which is a good sign. I also went ahead and added a gusset to better transition the shock tower to the outer frame plate. Acute angles like that on a structural area bother me.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/kcLse2lc2JglRlBdtL27WOzceiJ8CRBGTAHlFiaXy9Jkt5gXb9FTi_uJVRK--sPhrUJXKSxfp6SyGx8EbPzq7BWWtntl78K6aSJCZkoDC5XpitSIMhjv4Apc9PiHvBGPztB-_N5EM_NcXS1ErSDP6RnnCUrhoVJEm49ufrZ0qsBWQIoWdZSv-BHJ5qmwDJYtJ04OgG3Yh9R834OvTN_sTA5ofdmQ5PX2XtRGUhbpeyaajD6xA9QJQ8W6GBoJh2Zt72dRlbZH5xjBb6mSJbC778KP7rZfwXnuYvky7zSohvVaEiyZf43T0sMiuvxj_D5YijbRXiG68GaVZ51uKYtcMrvoQqNY6tOq3b_C-Fbx0-9-jrmw3sCinjRO0uc22uznkrMurR616l1mODcCnW4TNOw6HnxY4dV4Wt1hGOsAgpM3X6S_Vo43yIbKdehw00uZzZIivNnPnX6ZMg3i6CKNPFL9By8I1fCwqMsKHaZxDTaUqgmPUM2dVbifZf_2nlr5J9S1ysAvcDWZuI1r2SwjoWjcfsE0CPkMaLHSaWOjmRrDr4jsJRhJcDktp3EGH2rAj1NM9pJ0RXmPUvT22ifoP4qAmumH5333C2nVApmxBWgbup5ZXgK-TRJ98qw6k-enJkqGBaxPZB3P4rRm1ZTi2NlDZA=w1138-h1516-no)
Why go through all this effort to expand the front rails? Here are two photos to illustrate. Before:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/P2Hc5pBZa_-dOs1PC3CYwsPEgf6FE2yN1y3Uc6xZG9hpDWkBk7xrx5e6yDMGO3A9DovVUb2q14Jso5V3R1K6TgU0BAaRD1qHSwOQlkz2j2xn6pLwd_Jev4rm7xuy5W-KiMgirlEZRq6ubuK0uO70tKHYk09-OgBJak6kCXL0fSmv3ogxCXyUI-HtTIZKPbjM9vapajlUErNpa5N6jRemmPapV49E2MZrF6N7ooHpPiWnYpfYhU0ATYyhkZMz8C-MAlYxRZ-UT14EoXulqKKKc1ZG8ZzHuqMj4ZduFQITqFm3i8gu22VlLCbiWS8xZL-flSXtuYnSv_icoG6xfhVC6bzHK_-dELS9809Edy0-Z_2e8zlcw_1xBalSTAo_5I0RWXqSrldcWNkb0u9Qy8D0kTy5oTDsgjpaekjKhexsxJcLAECS1JvBtVaGhxIvokats7Bv2tS89HlP1I36RMdIpGriuVTp2abby3KAuK5djOLDkk_gXBT-PjZyZyZjFLk4BDOj2GmUturbRgtkhtRY_cQ4VMxul9nCl66-NhW4Prmu9GHyVd9_T6CumHertg5PIfYl9QYI6hoEVE1Qcx-dXxohQ4nlSawhIG32eNKufi6Ch069bIsBmg0UC_AZYJhMEwNBnvv7TycO_37APTkO938GSA=w1024-h768-no)
After:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9sKiv0ybvQqBrVJx0t1NsQYzS8Z8pzyRfoBVWs9Vyt8eK7I2xWPJaa5Y7rVlswfhnijmeiMsOnFeOY92MIOK5bghOpFPl4-29usEoUIyyPfSyvY8fGu6RgePywxVar2W9fPnJHSt6P-UbAf38XLd5RUFc2qxiBKMS1V7bxPZNDgFA5JhrR68VUEXl39DBb6CbRo8xzTDPr6VTgsmI76HovGzitK2LOjxWr5NjaM-KWoLjX9D4vthQi-cFB40ntU6i016ZzLdM867vL5J9f8rjzRUcTZ_N33RP5p61ExHOd5J3hrhuJdjEtKVxh34G7q7kQsDsbiYhgPa96aFPBznv27pezYuMjkqoDe2pKcHNrLr7wfkdPdhT93V-MfhcKLSknCDhAJsw3-uD-h447BL8Uelj7y7j3xI5ovSW3xtqIKsogpdsCNycE3Q0WI_kXqBIRag8dshQkzfYXWmsp4wEnGpp9zPG343VT5l9q5ShQKqH1ER8BXSss6Rr6H_UK7iA8eZfQWVrucaVPNY_t7xyk9rTwECunB_8JsAHJVgHjpddihCXTN0HNHCj1TtR9Y7a-673eNIdAk7w3SFAxN4l2jhWUgWMv0BiW73rB3ZkW52v-H1qfGdU-mPTzuElDvYcqXmmb2txxxbgLUqCfcFAJ-1yA=w1024-h768-no)
The section height at the critical connection is about 2x from factory. While the inner fender sheetmetal does transfer loading from the front rails to the firewall and the rest of the unibody, it's not up to the task by itself given the handling goals for the car.
Final task is prepping the rails for welding - making sure the control arm hardware doesn't interfere with the lower plate and welds, grinding the uneven flanges on the upper part of the rail, and making sure I seal up the new frame shape from any water intrusion. Just taking my time, mocking up, and setting up the weld sequence.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/sYd-bwOOhyCedm3vMYAYlljGdJuz7HNyofZNrvLOK90xzT436-sU4xCLFtWVcu8OZXLPABHjggdHoe6NvGOf9ET80ACCZ3CdsD1t1S1PjV4GTq7g8xFNJNxgNrX_ugU_7cQRmGu1Xnj1AB1_2-BtENcYmwo7xBzuHMHap_U6RMTc6g_WkW3xKdWvQjn4jRF4z5dzNk3DauSwi04FgJ_CotfZZMqUT3xCKo8pXgwnESDlYx9eZqQVN4LfiJyRT3YU30s9gVbVu5r2jZrcNjEeDZGx6dQIkIhw0ITnJ9E_wINUGKoXcE1B4JjeqbXgimqYJ1WC_iueUF0fn2VR-vwy1K11PmyCp65zlMaZH_KmLBHR3-yelexmPx5pSu4ZuNMNeBK8BCSIKzYAb7mqIB6f_pRlh2Zsh35exTM_at6vXFjlc-10kSNNz8hzXQKHIOI52dYhMktTwHbf7DIlRtkE1tjtqSaEQiA-upZtU8sDdL4TD8W9u0H19FnAM0kefNdUevGqjoR2NrqCpML5ZJCEA4cWCQAUkTUMtSzrA6vlhZG7gTW1pylYmw1tOUQluXYA6l04zBTeJTCBbprQFU01wtfxMeZ_5C8eS0AiHiUaK2QWPtO4Jw7fGr0r-5qInhMKYbDjPDFm8Zk10d7y0X6VS9Ucpw=w1024-h1365-no)
Busy week ahead of day job stuff, but I'm grabbing the hours where I can.
David
QuoteLooking around at some autocross builds, my planned 305/325 tires will seem pretty average, but they're definitely larger than what came on it originally. I really like working with .120 in general. It's a minor step up from 14ga, so open corners are easily welded with .024 wire on the mig (loads of puddle control), and I usually do two passes on the TIG (.045 and 1/16) to get the profile I like.
I set mine up for road racing/autocross as well. I've got 315-35-17 tires in the back. I fit them into the stock wheel wells with some messaging of the outer wheel well. You can go larger if you take the lip down or roll it. Front I fit 275-40-17 but had to flare the fender by two inches and roll the lip. Car handles pretty awesome.
Quote from: 68pplcharger on July 23, 2018, 11:51:22 AM
I set mine up for road racing/autocross as well. I've got 315-35-17 tires in the back. I fit them into the stock wheel wells with some messaging of the outer wheel well. You can go larger if you take the lip down or roll it. Front I fit 275-40-17 but had to flare the fender by two inches and roll the lip. Car handles pretty awesome.
Good notes - appreciate that. I’ve about got my mind right about needing to flare the front to clear the 305, and whatever I do for the rear would be mostly cosmetic to match the front. I’m 99% committed to USCT mini tubs in the rear.
I keep looking at the K&K Insurance Chargers for inspiration.
David
awesome build so far
Quote from: jwells1993 on July 24, 2018, 02:40:23 PM
awesome build so far
Thank you.
Outer plates are in process of getting tacked, and the interior plates will follow shortly after. No more clecos.
David
Just catching up progress.
Front frame rails are just about fully welded. These will get blended and corners rounded. Inside:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/WtoMIlWkQiYhXaQlntfbmjJOa_py6zl_7UIdRPrsrJoe79tz-mXl8UEjZ-zM2qChx_l9XIa2JTFkPkqPPDmJyEoiK8-wVtWwtv06ZjGWIOaLUgh2UayGV1Xk724S7uh3vBuo_ZkX8-c_IQBWLOhWHqSDTDdxHEOEClbLVFJ0I-vWvxf8VWy54xUuE_BsM-Sic2XfU2DgQnCgDTUDc4wmoG7cgokrPproFWw6acgydT05URNGrygcvGaHJmI-vsCWjfLNpmM1Yi3NK3fFAAlPUSak4F1kRN5WNt8WMixIoL9UbO5PwstQUBfWtMmHgPDthI7m3zDELPDEmB7raawA12lBRyaaSoS7F0GLSqio4U26BQz6ICc-j7-VJ0c4yDPhbpkGLuBN9hix4sJCvcUEK7l-GZYU9KzVoFAbWVNxfIMBRGGzsH44WP4Fnz0m86-KRrcUD_kj5S_aBmX11b9MjlbLAoV0J-3fLTB_LHzKb_QOGiy3cLqwJepRj7OBuNb7tVEyYZiKTpwiG0ENCd8QhxqNZ4pPOXZ5BTXAkPOX8-ha0rY-HuOkx4pVuDSXt4BUJPqCs_Txql_17GACJO0W_ql4yDZIPVq2GwoWyig7N3soHbuHEePfxmxaHnK05q09wgX_5rQ1mzqY68MfOqd9qxXzMQ=w1024-h768-no)
Driver outside overlay after wire-wheeling:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/WeWuqibI3DDxR373DgMADuoSRx0DaGvJSsRMpDpcE45OA1cDr0mOtFUAn2EPjjKqoGaTrTTVHN3oxHAdWkWlKDHt1AhOOagpnfSFCkSLEd6XJMWcpFcUPhHwN8AeqT0MALdHkecaMUI6wajwZcIw8R9k10OVml377PJI2-8DUBDAAODM95E5RoOjHTi5ws635oW8BhvxN1dcYyQvrHytMzA29uA-8IqaNW6hBkhdxRmu7I8gZr9NYHwyRLqJIvPfsW6xCnANboYjM3nNtJu2re-Gg-jkO46RClKV7v_ZRqbpo3bM6ICIpPTSd6zecajlGFGq_8yem5_wa5PRNJruWvwqnDUb0Z66b3SOxGFA1kyH9fGC5AR9lRJ07NIxR-abFzWjO6Y13IJNwGHqPz7MQts0lVZZvkTGfs2UlZjowwf62NqQHwwgvzD0RfvG7_Kko3haouYIHVirguTT5avYQLn7t5fhFMYYcp7Lld36nUwaSww-XuHB5J1-1059W_0gNORFM4HbyGsDF9r_wzC7FuabODmxb7Gp0HOM2CCiRQpT8T-FeSDzQl51Z1pXviCenCx0o1vOyJlfauQnif5RSflDxOaYN3y-JvblCc9maREXZ-C95MAsO8sUrFznKNeADn5PlraHjTyGd1-08lYzbfEbog=w1024-h768-no)
And a parting shot, all cleaned up.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/bWe5C145pOmsL4K6kRClplI2Z0DzPI2KOd6veM-W712aFA6VXDwdcAClGE9F7By6HQOdNo2952fsE8EEe-nj9tTKOmOz0pWaTyzweLZtr74klrPjKYK_G_lUJxCH4rQ-PUOLOlk4Ni8A1UiAABpHB3DG7Brt191Kbr_av0RfxHI_S6n6hejapBWWZUjGx7XyUsmp2hGFW-BzZ-f9LgPURTOTSuL0rzXkeJM3z7EPP569wzPenlSUH3io4edowQ8BPspy186f4REDifKmhfY5wS-0hHvAVSMpUYs9HPIjTiKIXIk65F8FG5kJcSK6q0HQ69_0eahXWkfI7RtOpfWx3oSsd9rGK2s_BgDu6-Fbu19kItABml_kKdqonvUswnZEY0zPLL4ZECTQ3t8KRnNS1CxcKAYn_M8043lzFLORrVzyiBiRs2n-fh-XzwhSFEa7eOVlu6V_eeqoaKh9Z7nJS0W3TQipfOQ9qSC-fxwG3bqjRcGV9PC1tVv7rze3L0cduSJeZludH202uo1LRwEBj9_h_AR_JOGW6AMUkVLt7NC9mlWpqVSHH02vDRlDnWRwxPpEm0mGYGL2yDlIisWr0e5n1QSVpFZTX3tf0jLrpWHMk4nfG6JHvEIC-l0_eXg-F7tfsx_D_b78tY0vpPPWgmIyjg=w1024-h694-no)
Lots of hours on this sub-project, and I'm idling the Charger for a few weeks as I prepare my suburban for its next adventure. I'll pick this back up after SEMA.
David
Well it will be ready for a 2,500 hp monster when you're finished. :2thumbs:
:scope: :thumbs: good stuff :yesnod: :popcrn:
The Trail to SEMA is done (episodes start airing 12/12), and I'm back on the Charger.
The passenger rail is welded and blended. I spent Saturday dialing in the welder, and getting back in the groove. It's been 4 weeks since I've struck an arc.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/EblIw8P-UFyhm_-gNmtz_YfDUPtsXfMnXuQiwTQWJpLZ5VYYabLuxPMGAe29GEeP5DU8vkSKxNwBZ93PFVjlSNhMst54lZl56XN5fnZvVfr3tNTDSbIBra0R-CLrMfpoSeo-uldnNDrfHYHQSZL3pGrVeyQkxadcSc8oxeDWxtkW6lDxw4LxFQCe2JJOm0CsQhlnO0hCgqL8c_nfqMs82kyD6OtVbnDd40B0a35ZQzonfMPiBy8FbnlY0pTkqmqFQNuIRtRmGIEDIjcON0ntB4bct2nTjQuzwz5nPeh0VTg21qa1mirB97DmTlkgFjFWnERbuTUtv1wJGbwxnjdp5dNUthKPv0ENKHphMRxV4bMQJ7tO05msKwu3NPkN1LWqAzxGqNE5R7LMz7nDR7wSGN9UYrRGGO7lszMYTyC-ttkGu71E-yFNNSkBxP8hMi1vWKKUMxT_kD_CFrq1hjo5pBj1kyr9ObMnBQ3AG29K7SCzd9zFMKeqIkojHsMT5O8-lNOLxs6SxN-Vta0_YbFn8XYakVI8Pp8e2pzi58cmnIlWQoWEpvG-WSBZ-WATTd0wh1efKix0U7l59vPPBKW_sq34y4NYsjV0Htvib88FWRTrstoccQAqPsi0ESpTRWfQCzkUvFXp-EMhk13G-o4Vd-YuUZyE9KhhoKeDrbk8gMGaJBJ_mUFzNKH2jaA_9UEmDpVLvT-coZPt=w1024-h768-no)
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And then there's this. Working with some new contacts and partners I met at SEMA, there's a real possibility I'll be able to push the engine back a significant amount. In addition to recentering from the factory position, the weight balance should be much more favorable.
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I've been working on a revised plan for the rear chassis and the front suspension, and hope to have some clear updates on that in the next couple of weeks. Again, I've learned a lot in the last few weeks, and it's better informed my approach to the suspension design.
In the meantime, I'm working the litany of open detail fab projects - firewall, finish weld and blend the rockers, etc.
David
:popcrn:
Oh man. LS power. This just got even better. Brace yourself for all the hate, but keep up all the good work brother.
No LS hate here.
This project car is being built for handling. We're hitting the 2020's and Mopar still won't mass-produce an aluminum V8 (around 90 lbs lighter weight on the front end).
Mopar is 25 years behind everyone else on this. If Ford's engines had been 25 years behind the times in the muscle era, they would have been selling Boss Mustangs with flathead V8s.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on December 13, 2018, 10:21:10 PM
No LS hate here.
This project car is being built for handling. We're hitting the 2020's and Mopar still won't mass-produce an aluminum V8 (around 90 lbs lighter weight on the front end).
Mopar is 25 years behind everyone else on this. If Ford's engines had been 25 years behind the times in the muscle era, they would have been selling Boss Mustangs with flathead V8s.
Really , the Hellephant crate engine is 25 years behind
Mopar is bringing back the "426" moniker on its next 1,000-hp crate engine. Yup, you read that right: The Hellephant, a play on the fact that the old 426 Hemi was called the elephant engine, will hit four digits for horsepower and bring along 950 lb-ft of torque. It was introduced today at the Las Vegas SEMA Show. Mopar actually installed the new powerplant in a '68 Charger it's calling the "Super Charger." It goes on sale in the first quarter of next year.
The supercharged 7.0-liter (426-cubic-inch) V8 gains displacement through a bigger bore and stroke (4.125 x 4.0) and the block is all aluminum, as opposed to the Hellcat motor's cast-iron lower end.
Read more: https://autoweek.com/article/sema-show/mopar-breaks-1000-hp-barrier-hellephant-hemi-crate-engine#ixzz5Zd8KqIze
I doubt that I'll be seeing the hellephant in a mass produced Charger, Durango, Jeep, or any other production based vehicle anytime soon. Ls's are in practically everything now that isn't a cheap econo vehicle.
To find an affordable alloy V8 for a project car:
Chevy: pick-n-pull
Ford: pick-n-pull
BMW: pick-n-pull
Toyota: pick-n-pull
Rover: pick-n-pull
Mopar: $5000 aftermarket block
Yes, Mopar is behind on this.
Awesome build & some trick work . And I thought I was be tricky by hiding 2"X3" box tubing inside my Challenger rockers panels & tieing into the front rear sub frames. Had me until I saw LS powered , lost all interest in this build now.
No "hate" from me....but as said above....it takes the wind out of the sales of a great project to me....just my point of view of course. Helliphant/ Hellcat aside there are plenty of ways of getting Mopar power under that bonnet....even if its from elsewhere in the Mopar family....
....still amazing fabrication work though.
Nice work!! :2thumbs:
Lots of extra steel being put into this car, rigidity should not be a problem!
That being said I share the sentiment of some of the others. (and I work for an LS speed shop) Would love to see at least a modern Hemi in this instead of the LS. Don't think she will be a lightweight either way.
That and your truck LS looks like it's an iron block anyway (unless that's just for mock up)
Just another Charger at SEMA with a Chevy engine............ :scratchchin:
How many times has that been done? :eek2:
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on December 14, 2018, 09:25:21 PM
Just another Charger at SEMA with a Chevy engine............ :scratchchin:
How many times has that been done? :eek2:
Yup. Just like a hot rod with 350/350 ford 9 inch.
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(https://i.imgur.com/xlrDyPVh.jpg)
Wow, there is an insane amount of welding going into that frame. Awesome work. Great fabrication. Fun to see it all come together.
I was out of the shop for a few days hunting some Texas white tails, and I see there's a little bit for me to catch up on.
Quote from: TexasGeneral on December 12, 2018, 02:01:24 AM
:popcrn:
Sit tight! This is my main focus for 2019.
Quote from: slantscamp on December 13, 2018, 08:12:28 PM
Oh man. LS power. This just got even better. Brace yourself for all the hate, but keep up all the good work brother.
There's a whole story on how I got the engine, but it doesn't matter. It's a compact and efficient platform that is simple to setup, and generates sufficient torque and horsepower for the application. Currently, the iron block is a mockup and likely the Rev0 engine, while an aluminum block will be the Rev1.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on December 13, 2018, 10:21:10 PMNo LS hate here.
Me either! As I've gotten older, I've become substantially less brand loyal. This was never going to be a restoration, so there were no rules to follow.
Quote from: JB400 on December 14, 2018, 08:39:55 AM
I doubt that I'll be seeing the hellephant in a mass produced Charger, Durango, Jeep, or any other production based vehicle anytime soon.
That's in line with the discussion at SEMA. Cool engine, and I'd enjoy running it, but it's way out of my league cost-wise.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on December 14, 2018, 10:16:11 AM
To find an affordable alloy V8 for a project car:
Chevy: pick-n-pull
Ford: pick-n-pull
BMW: pick-n-pull
Toyota: pick-n-pull
Rover: pick-n-pull
Mopar: $5000 aftermarket block
Yes, Mopar is behind on this.
That seems about right. My LQ4 was essentially free (traded work).
Quote from: 6pkrtse on December 14, 2018, 12:20:24 PM
Awesome build & some trick work . And I though I was be tricky by hiding 2"X3" box tubing inside my Challenger rockers panels & tieing into the front rear sub frames. Had me until I saw LS powered , lost all interest in this build now.
I love that solution. Very clever for those with still-solid rockers. I'm sorry you've lost interest, and would still appreciate any additional insight you might have as the build progresses.
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on December 14, 2018, 09:25:21 PM
Just another Charger at SEMA with a Chevy engine............ :scratchchin:
How many times has that been done? :eek2:
I would love to have this car at SEMA - it would be great for the business. And while I've seen a bunch of LS-powered things, I can't recall seeing a mid-front engine pro-touring LS Charger on 305/325 rubber. (Without a hint of sarcasm) I might have missed it, but I think this car would be unique.
Quote from: INTMD8 on December 14, 2018, 08:56:26 PM
Nice work!! :2thumbs:
Lots of extra steel being put into this car, rigidity should not be a problem!
That being said I share the sentiment of some of the others. (and I work for an LS speed shop) Would love to see at least a modern Hemi in this instead of the LS. Don't think she will be a lightweight either way.
That and your truck LS looks like it's an iron block anyway (unless that's just for mock up)
Lots of steel for sure, and I'm working to keep the weight add to a minimum. Total add should be 175-250lbs over the stock unibody. The iron block is a Rev0, and I'll move to alloy at the next revision.
Quote from: alfaitalia on December 14, 2018, 06:18:51 PM
No "hate" from me....but as said above....it takes the wind out of the sales of a great project to me....just my point of view of course. Helliphant/ Hellcat aside there are plenty of ways of getting Mopar power under that bonnet....even if its from elsewhere in the Mopar family....
....still amazing fabrication work though.
Appreciate the feedback, and I understand the sentiment of prefering a mopar engine. Since it came with no engine, I've been starting from relative scratch on the power platform, and have found myself quite comfortable in the "there are no rules" camp. Part of it is my exposure to LS things, but that platform also satisfies a series of requirements that a new hemi cannot, and space efficiency is the most obvious of those criteria. There are also some partners that are very LS-focused and are actively supporting the engine program, but that came second.
Quote from: Homerr on December 16, 2018, 11:38:45 AM
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(https://i.imgur.com/xlrDyPVh.jpg)
I got a great chuckle out of this. Best reply, ever.
Quote from: nvrbdn on December 16, 2018, 12:31:30 PM
Wow, there is an insane amount of welding going into that frame. Awesome work. Great fabrication. Fun to see it all come together.
Thank you, sir. I'm excited to be back working on it regularly.
Again, next up are closing several fabrication tasks in preparation for a new rear chassis and front suspension. Lots to do.
David
Happy new year. Let's catch up.
The torque boxes are expanded slightly, and taper down to interface with the inner chassis supports. This is all .075" 14ga, as there's already plenty of 1/8" in the rockers and torque boxes.
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Closed in, and I'm holding off on welding and blending until I get the inner chassis members measured, tacked, and ready.
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A good view of my office for the last few days.
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Before I can measure for the inner chassis members, or even the rear suspension, the engine and trans have to be placed.
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As we looked at earlier, the engine needs a deep setback to achieve the desired weight balance. It may come forward an inch or two from this position, but the shifter location is already close to ideal (for me).
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The assembly is offset to the passenger side by 1/2".
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Next up: fabricating the inner chassis members and motor and transmission mounts.
David
The LS Engines, and the aftermarket performance parts availability for them, are BOTH excellent :2thumbs: Good Choice for this type of project :Twocents:
Quote from: Lennard on July 12, 2018, 01:11:04 PM
That's going to be a rigid and BEEFY Charger. :thumbs:
Excellent Chassis work! I like what you did for the torque box.
One question,
The engine Craddle/ K-Frame.
Why such a heavy fabrication and not a Tubular K-Frame, either aftermarket or of your own design?
Quote from: Challenger340 on January 01, 2019, 04:34:13 PM
The LS Engines, and the aftermarket performance parts availability for them, are BOTH excellent :2thumbs: Good Choice for this type of project :Twocents:
I've learned a lot about them in a short period of time, and I'm excited to get it fired and make some power. Right now, it's all vroom vroom noises from me. I may just run it on the regular LQ4 low compression boring junk for shakedown of the suspension, and make the engine build something all its own.
Quote from: mike69440 on January 02, 2019, 08:50:40 AM
Quote from: Lennard on July 12, 2018, 01:11:04 PM
That's going to be a rigid and BEEFY Charger. :thumbs:
Excellent Chassis work! I like what you did for the torque box.
One question,
The engine Craddle/ K-Frame.
Why such a heavy fabrication and not a Tubular K-Frame, either aftermarket or of your own design?
Thanks! That K member is the Magnum Force Transformer unit, and it is super heavy duty. At 3/16", it's overbuilt for sure, and is a very good universal design. It will very likely be replaced with a new design I'm working on that is substantially lighter, and I'm looking forward to pulling that weight off the front of the car.
David
With the engine setting back that far, what will the access to hedder gasket change, or wire/plug swaps be like? Just thinking out loud about when the steering column is in there.
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 03, 2019, 05:54:41 PM
With the engine setting back that far, what will the access to hedder gasket change, or wire/plug swaps be like? Just thinking out loud about when the steering column is in there.
In a word, "difficult."
I moved the engine forward to be 1-3/8" backset from the centerline, but that still leaves the plugs for #7 and #8 fully under the cowl and #5 and #6 are now fairly easy to reach. I'm debating a design for a "dog house" between the firewall and the trans tunnel, too. The setback has certainly created a lot of work elsewhere, and I hope the improved vehicle dynamics are worth the payoff.
David
That could possibly work well to use some type of design close to an early van dog house. Cant wait to see how this is figured out.
Let's catch up.
I've been working on powertrain placement, setting how much to offset it behind the front suspension and side to side, settling on:
1-3/8" backset and 1/2" offset to the passenger side.
From there, it was time to start figuring out how to mount this assembly into the chassis.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/2i0ev9dP7FAzrd2S6gbwBk6gI7etDLNb8lZ7Ryj-cO-IXY3hS8W53u_PWV_4-VB0b0OtZa3g_MRw995XUJI1qLHYqkKioPWwc806hNcxovi1DOEK3XtGKYwj53_6D-kwRek8eOVQx273mu9_NE9K3qc9AMjVRKF_jVQEOh7ky6YTj-1crlBiyg_dF-5h8_lUbAkf6IOOMwVPpjULdYvpOHUtsd6wLklFOvXF1s2Q3NrqAvBMaqNBEWJzIvPWy38DpkMxvzBc_F9DeOoc_JZv_7jKWMugMJNgryQq_juMlMwGrT5KcZQnMYRxkpRklAxW5EjVkNtVA9jhz9p3qK5jryRUBZkXgCdGbWx84kUnyRCZtMXqB6KFrG8TWVC2a60ceBO-h8O9uPn_LlPQjCl1e2MQ9k2vG9MmQHwcZQxZuh63cjDfK5aLVkdi44qDwJ5rIkrP5eW_ss8kLHopMcDFaLs0RbxC403wK0NrcCqkSEc7E6g2rAQYNPNZJ26sdCNpPVNh9tMCQixdPkrXj2edsnFhSl7BxAsGkBbvF6inderYCl68aq1hS_k3WPuXaZFQqaF0JvQhxY9J3CqjbZf0d2xTWkgAltlNHovs9BPFAhGdR14dhAUSCYivE11QY1QiZN97sFDh-MVzABzKpACFsmoOguxkJ_Qb2VajgTCq3t_-SG-rYsosin7Dp7t0pd5djUx8teMJ9_Mf=w1024-h768-no)
The super offset Chris Alston Chassisworks mounts, mounted with the forward bias.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/nb1ica93fIUVTvXvr1-WmQ-_9TObWlM2YkwlFj-XkcdZSEwQl4KtKSL3mt6O4joa3WG_LINei6OGexPvIN_pSlLBgiFKTbAlDcF-gBrxzr42KoZKmAU1E5b07eLnfj9mdkZiEepm2bbZKYPCq-4J_i5NCLosK6voX3FLwgPh2lmvf9pjnTAmXj4T_GQpS5J_viA15Fnlbf8hoDSdaYr60KUbn6jHZrtGyuYAIJA5x9JKQbt-Oh_tH8OQFYX7-Fbl6fLxfRQ7Am_9dza-8zs3Y2L_P1-M21Os1VWKnCId0RjICH2dGi3gDfszOYQPfrg39OZsn9u6utjxRqK-djcPVaDCMwUYkCaa6FOT5VSdJcKznE6XkHRAWvd-XQn8uSerSrFn9GDZYtyLA5trRkXUAVc9eVM0VMqRQadWCdp_yI2tFFgVF0z6YDVZd9wv5k8WXZ7Kyw8wxIDtJzFUU101Cui6revCEmVleeyLsKyCroIBas7bRweKuyLbou7IXJLZKD8G2CjAkuhl-ko-FTSeTe00VyBXvNyG5Px2609H3l606N-65bwnqzgyO_q2GYbhffVDa1ag5zK5C34RtTZdcMZ67zylBLOJywf0dhrVhIXdq_E2A4LS6ip0Z2IS1KHIEDjwN7MLAp4VbDF-2Bypj8Rs8nJI3NUoWtbf9d7WlccoozhuBSPw3a5GUGHHKr8r6JzKcTBWplCL=w1024-h768-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/FN5Kj3QAWLy0cCOYjD5aK2GpoOlYmN-Mz48vAMy1cHS3JOwlqePrpQixOuFZ0xmOIWUXl7UtimOJaKJ5B9xS4Xfv9r2rjbEgAm2Z9IFnNLjntA8pGe-f3vkng4uNgDvVigJsobllMmcxduvIk3dLUWwyZJtropGSggCXA_fMsF48zrmYJ_Ceqa4zjwkXgR8jk9KWq2aFnMg52F6GVzA8Y7mNSgkpsRGHfj4XoBUZGJe8TuUrBLg0dxJxn3aNyIcW4I59LJFI1zwZrjvwkaeK4XyLXGB2QRUosnAFo_xZ9A9JcjM7Z_Awxpt-4ocvZj3qe8Vcu3PFqj_HHm6QovRprAKiiByTueKjUd-YDmbld_5Z9drR5OCW-ak-VrcGT2oK3uBqxfn-5uvrWGmKj9ExoITdEiHqOldLV0M7bNA-oPK9ScINKAkM79FbtMRLjlocFOSSwESWluccFgQU1ahZY7hnF5OaE3Hn0Kn8wyBzzu5ZUJSVU4DxyHOD1bZPXwMzz0VpJZvfWD45HNuBYNSMzWUgw5VH5R5oa0Q0NxCg8-LGnxS05nBcGKfIZsoJ1nTeT0NoX7aPtrtl5QnlBV2zx7s2ZncjeGz0xiJhoY45s1PV7p9MUuj7fjTsTlzEWb02a72Qldn6qd5gek4OIrCajWEdC4d6zChxxrjqwj_xq62xr5s1aAHYGtsvQcQtLqK3qSIeQ6mwh9it=w1024-h768-no)
Set. Time to design and fab.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LyjVa0FLKT6FplBc4TMiH_3Kwx6kGe-Ke3Wr64XRstEAoQ0kd3gFo3lke5POSgLFXkzi8ckmRG3ippsLPpsglWuR8L58E4fBk5iiLqidv5t5JsArLC9gasUzPOnwD1-xXCjj1ofuyDCfoiKQM_gQ16ztcQr97YaXhYiu4voYI-yU9q2nbqkPjP8T-qAaCjkTaT8ZotaUSCGPb-H_DRXTrMNCoe1xa31I41dtkBBM5lqE_b221d5ZCS3N7P82SSiIkk_9C54d2bT0uyKrXXD53ICmAlK5hM--9PjVTIHBfxWrlXmqMRyJaKFtIcMIaLmrta3FkLgBxMCgatsiVGfegp9DRVUE78c_p0wXZmrcEz3-O7cTQeANitZcTBb2QKDHKy7I-p9sPrtm1h7CYl1YW_p8x1CZ9QoRN4kabCz0tv7pkvO57eCv4pySDRzjWdQsXiAaU62e_EqgTt-OzeaAuH_l7zi-P7GdBdxDfiY-n1k5erlqvMDfDQY_gjptEubF6i_DTxroma9ifMYHc-o3uEvwRa2vNuJOk2CIH5LmfPJ82YLMfTZ5Np_cldKavDVUchu31wse2E6F_XvG6XQn0nhOc4izGff24kiHJGXe_YwoXtawQo5G-G-gx4A5sunjCr8rTuoUtZA0X56QyJHtg5Gu8bd1zXm3MDgTMcR9iHSXPJ5bKR8wRhsGFTAAkQqAdj2GgPrgfoSP=s1024-no)
Removed the upper core support mount to ease ingress/egress of the powertrain.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/w-izLN5QpR7oYLe0xtOXJ5ixCTRp8Vb5NVHOe9SArehiQKZ_S7JBsnUsNWKX9rDRpc97lZOUVrZsChiF1w8UMaphS4_KJ0DqLBDMEPsnApQo7T4Gr9PWOR_-Ye2TweNNKeKQC0ucKN5YvM4AssCLEOGJ3k6wAgbH2KUWgQBLlPEFPNruR4ywp9nTJoPL7lrbNiXbkpBr6VYA_m9dX8LUMxMV6x8vifdKaRbVawOOme_tuLz4-QRxqHC0HvTEaZry5s-P_lb9hbdxXjslJumSMFXlXLlOo5CVDOEN-eP7kNMB7cqcjQg5LoLknTZaPxARqp7EKZ4lY_6Z5grBJKlpEdhLM9F0DPFA5Z3RX3f5oF5BgJemCwjNDo-ejGfYsIC_VE951SrfGqcyCQulRfuDASQFMFemLlUmZJjUcjvs7_Q99-xpQWOk5v3X94bXFMshrfeoSrXMb5Y88hjS5fnt3QSOYM58Ia8xgEuq6rn1GKIHy0-4F5uSoV0f_3tvuWSk3cpRyFNhK9eR1ilZlNA1XbKr1tMiAYpDV8Crs2Pk-FnhmGM6gehPpYBVd7bLAQlr9Pz4fVHE8iVKIjkJtNgc4FaAZu5nVW850K-9p8YAb-B5D9NgwvgWAt5w8G4Izyo8oKS11NTQ8jFkkNwiq9c24CtIRzgVgglwp9AZoYOtFy1fLCq3X_k83Mrj25iX9Mvj7JWnvYl784N7=w1024-h768-no)
After some revisions, here's the mount and cradle design.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jz6IERV4eiAsmVX2E5h54SlMfn3TkSZBiSnOomN-ZF2Ql12fiknN9NX0rZxOfnrVTz86S-Fnto4BrZFeRTSo5llD3xLW7sv0AuNr0NmxI0mYiEC8JWV57huZFbBECFidVG1PKJp_IBeuCMb7_nBrApfs-Wj4ba6KazJHiZzH3UvrXIdeJ1-n2hfd_uIoL9U4yFR1BUFnJopgjMzy9KysIVbmd2Txmabvrdqa4A-RpZClDN-m10NklfE6Cf59ku8mtfeR8GSpITZivff4F0oxo6zguAnyKDpubFAvVb89DOkBzHUReJlyqVuwu5YY9fg-jDmYFzXMf89KWT-N06FuorWrG9T0GFoCpheV3pdm_qs6rqJBEaPCKTXj2w1WJE2_I-xF_2WcCqvxHAEB8gKSYdDisH7vE6iNflChU9yeMVp5XaSEYJ7kWABIzEFMELs87VX19q6OSGGhrjBT9DsKZkpmILdwWSKKwRKtT01s3d9g6uABnS2ILMIbMaO4rX--j2v1qQ59c7PtodPQYP1bdQAuFHp7SfzUg5N8okdko0WnATVUpKUk585YUnC0M_x3VRgnyLp1x-54qmYyv-eJPiBe3dNXTAWSQ8BnLfXr3u96M_H4Nb59J5uVe5ip10eglm6e_XwRUeaXCLS4oL6rD2OtqOVhTOOj45ee7mK6ix_gg3-qQQiSqG_5G8wSYQZ_BL2PbUO6fp3y=w1024-h750-no)
Loosely assembled on the bench.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/MQssRSyoEQasiidlAnWlOzzM_Qa6fu4G6ySpnJSH5uKuhnVRUBOPTQhCgXZt3tAonMMGetbTM4fy6prjXKoA4QuoFezZ_UIqSPy4kyoDVz6Ucz1LeP7zaKJk78QVd4lIIbHlQNNj8TNnZ57YypccU3QezEdjoo5dBLWem3wU8OjU8f2OeL3UYXPGqrEXYETJPYv0cbA7Nq-8WqgSipHZ3YDXo4CXZaca_yzeK517ukDGc1LqPco9uX2XxSIpOq-lsARWQoMt0YB1qkyckypmEj8L9PJGYzxFPB3iUCvxpWSxEfsbB-sAZaM-xd3_vhhZZ2mHXbhMMp9ARfdGIm6Cn3SLjRLoKiiR98iivwtG59kf2YzzaIFsvlSdB6mFlHuAfgzlqz7gX8PF8bNvKmD9_hKc7DTIM5jjLjjCBe-DMUqmGaAkY2ptUi4H3e0RKF88qjATqv7kQNbg47kS3BDMByrAHMG--xk7DrlN-cTeX2jWqeOEqfP9REDdsfIP4j1Sh3HZa0syF4flaxpJ8UedNWRpLU2RA4ULZNBXlJPB8mQ7B1dFBhOUEwxX5Ea0RjObXl9TqXemoUXQDolq6QOGg5qPI1PcC4asckUgm_2wLD-snbVQNcyLf-Oa9E1inKXjsImZMHdn2jugoQxtU4IvnHIIqGhNP1ZoRoND6TOeya55OJ0wd0_uuSJIBwIRM3-Tzulslm6aukuq=w477-h358-no)
Mounts and overlays, all .110 mild steel.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ABnFAKEITtu3CiioSV3wvSTEt-CcehyfcH0NdYmzlxPjLUrsPrvQh9JjDLeDW2kogokJPsIC9oBN0Hf0r6PnJV0S5B3jftfLZDZgS1-vS4oNPnITuZwcdW0X0XfOr9AwCVSsOy7c2ABnLwiDEGWHENtUC4VpP-r6YBFxz7zn7bFxuGYeStkRBXSMmLU96Z39dpSJShUej7a-4JLSP95zWm8twJKmaVY71stheXMFxpDZnmOBatyqapCw2GxDz1JF91IgquAVz0EgNx_RnnrxfHsYkyEDhbOjzEJjG5u6LDk5JJ2b-6xqNi_2n8kDv7f3-8zGy7XvMcNUXR72gK2gbQqtrEFA-3DE5f6leJXKEzPGHqyQPNbPxa9uwZnPQ5zEpRETQ7GmY9DgTXYGYj_O-4oV0Y7mQ3H3xf7eWX5Xe6zXXBDLh9ArXA-GuBippUbfdWJSr1ogGtmpeiCuViCVEfITlQiNPqoNpBaFI0oBn1MtjlKTmHDB0wpV7nZ1BCixz-do48WcCa-o5UV9aQqbKPm1FxAMC0_Zdg1Bf0qQJ9I4yxWmwMXNrGatV9SfeJhtdNyOn895bWLe1VQAiIl7gcGeYEvgC_PIghPNUpU31Ps4cxSdlblgMNQPF9vC42piONqxZBsX7vNMGCt-J_GyoWbzyz9MUmDShEKSE7Ta07IzDTY_3F_vXbTFAC95nWyGV2fdzSV1A9mz=w437-h328-no)
David
All mocked up in my lumber yard of a Charger.
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How all the plates stack.
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The tradeoff is that it takes a lot of filler and argon, but it's a light and efficient and stiff design.
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Consequently, I've been TIG welding for a couple of days now.
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More time coming up under the hood.
David
I applaud your decision to Lighten up the K-Frame. I hope you are following http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,110212.0.html
Pat paid attention to keeping weight off the front.
I have mixed feelings about the LS, I accept the logic, as LS is a true feat of manufacturing engineering done right. But it doesn't st right with my soul.
FCA should just give you a darn Helliphant in exchange for promotional rights and be done with it.
:Twocents:
At shows, put out a donation jar with a sign:
Don't like the LS motor?
Then help me buy a comparable Mopar engine. It costs $10k more.
Awesome fabricating and welding, David! :2thumbs:
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on January 21, 2019, 11:45:44 AM
:Twocents:
At shows, put out a donation jar with a sign:
Don't like the LS motor?
Then help me buy a comparable Mopar engine. It costs $10k more.
I just manned up and spent the cash to put the proper 472 cubic inch dual quad fuel injected Hemi engine in my modified Charger project. I'm not into crossbreeding!
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on January 21, 2019, 11:45:44 AM
:Twocents:
At shows, put out a donation jar with a sign:
Don't like the LS motor?
Then help me buy a comparable Mopar engine. It costs $10k more.
Yeah . Camaros are cheaper too , so might as well just buy one of them since apearantly cost is the main consideration.
According to the beginning of this thread,this Charger was a real 70 Charger R/T! The guy can do what he wants with his car,but I wouldn't want to be the guy at a Mopar event who cut up a Charger R/T and put a Chevy engine in it! Stick to non Mopar specific events!
Look at it this way: This forum is not 'MoparEngines.com'. That's not what brought us all here.
Whatever the car in this thread might be, it's more of a classic Dodge Charger than anything else.
Quote from: mike69440 on January 21, 2019, 10:53:34 AM
I applaud your decision to Lighten up the K-Frame. I hope you are following http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,110212.0.html
Pat paid attention to keeping weight off the front.
I have mixed feelings about the LS, I accept the logic, as LS is a true feat of manufacturing engineering done right. But it doesn't st right with my soul.
FCA should just give you a darn Helliphant in exchange for promotional rights and be done with it.
Big fan of Pat's build. His level of quality is a seriously inspiring.
I think I can pull about 30ish pounds out of the K member using a different combination of parts, but that's still in development. Additionally, I met the guys at Speedkore at SEMA, and they have a standard 70 hood that shaves a cool 57 lbs. That will be hard to turn down, along with several more of their front end parts.
The LS selection started almost as an accident, but eventually became a conscious choice that I'll summarize this way - an engine is just a tool in a drawer, and this engine is the correct tool for my application.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on January 21, 2019, 11:45:44 AM
At shows, put out a donation jar with a sign:
Don't like the LS motor?
Then help me buy a comparable Mopar engine. It costs $10k more.
I'd cut and refab the firewall to accommodate a Hellephant.
Quote from: Lennard on January 21, 2019, 12:07:22 PM
Awesome fabricating and welding, David! :2thumbs:
Thanks. I'm fortunate to have mentors that I can call on to help guide me through the design and fab process.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on January 21, 2019, 06:16:57 PM
Yeah . Camaros are cheaper too , so might as well just buy one of them since apearantly cost is the main consideration.
Camaros are boring.
Quote from: chargervert on January 21, 2019, 05:25:38 PM
I just manned up and spent the cash to put the proper 472 cubic inch dual quad fuel injected Hemi engine in my modified Charger project. I'm not into crossbreeding!
Very cool. I like your choice.
Quote from: chargervert on January 21, 2019, 06:28:55 PM
According to the beginning of this thre
ad,this Charger was a real 70 Charger R/T! The guy can do what he wants with his car,but I wouldn't want to be the guy at a Mopar event who cut up a Charger R/T and put a Chevy engine in it! Stick to non Mopar specific events!
Yep. This was an original R/T car and came to me without any of the R/T stuff in it. Perfect for my purposes.
From 30 feet, it's just another Charger with a suspension package. At 10 feet, the initiated will pickup on the handbuilt stuff and the functional go-fast reliefs. And only if I fire the engine will the the Mopar-or-no-car dudes know something is up. My experience is that car folk that like to build junk themselves can argue all day about what's right or better, but still share a beer at the end of the day, and can do all their arguing in a friendly way. That certainly is my style.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on January 21, 2019, 07:31:59 PM
Look at it this way: This forum is not 'MoparEngines.com'. That's not what brought us all here.
Whatever the car in this thread might be, it's more of a classic Dodge Charger than anything else.
That's pretty much my way of thinking. I've learned a lot from the threads on here, and it's significantly impacted my way of thinking related to what I build vs restore.
David
I like the LS Engines, LOTS of aftermarket servicing for parts.... and with Boost anything is possible !
Good Engines !
My car was an original R/T too,that the previous owner cut the body off and mounted on a modern Laughlin Nascar chassis. I didn't cut up the R/T he did. I wouldn't do that now a days with the sheetmetal that is available from Auto Metal Direct. I would just build the body from those parts,instead of cutting up a Charger. From the amount of fab work you are doing you could have built a chassis,and used AMD metal too.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on January 21, 2019, 07:31:59 PM
Look at it this way: This forum is not 'MoparEngines.com'. That's not what brought us all here.
Whatever the car in this thread might be, it's more of a classic Dodge Charger than anything else.
I disagree....I think......The engine is the soul of the car and I would be uncomfortable without at least a Mopar derived engined. My other passion is Alfa Romeos. As much as I love my 159 it took me a while to really want one....could not get my head around the fact that it had GM engine (from the factory...GM owned Alfa back then) rather than a proper Alfa one!
Why spend all the time and money on an Awesome build and then put the cheapest POS engine on the Planet in it :Twocents: This build deserves Better :Twocents: You put all the thought and effort into the car and then its like the Engine is just an afterthought because its cheap .
Quote from: Challenger340 on January 21, 2019, 10:37:37 PM
I like the LS Engines, LOTS of aftermarket servicing for parts.... and with Boost anything is possible !
Good Engines !
That aftermarket support has become a more important element as I progress. The folks I'm partnering with are good guides, and I'm looking forward to getting into the engine.
Quote from: chargervert on January 21, 2019, 10:38:25 PM
My car was an original R/T too,that the previous owner cut the body off and mounted on a modern Laughlin Nascar chassis. I didn't cut up the R/T he did. I wouldn't do that now a days with the sheetmetal that is available from Auto Metal Direct. I would just build the body from those parts,instead of cutting up a Charger. From the amount of fab work you are doing you could have built a chassis,and used AMD metal too.
An all AMD car would be a neat project, but to my knowledge, they've only produced 68 and 69 parts.
And please don't think that my car was pristine when I took delivery. It was a basket case - bad patch jobs, stacked mig welds over rust and filler over that, fiberglass in some weird places, a firewall hacked for AC ports, rotted floors and rockers, and the driver rear of the car is actually two different rear ends scabbed together. Garbage work, and it's all coming out. From the beginning, it was never going to be a restoration. I had a vision, and have continued to refine that vision as I built skills to accomplish the work.
Quote from: alfaitalia on January 22, 2019, 03:17:11 AM
I disagree....I think......The engine is the soul of the car and I would be uncomfortable without at least a Mopar derived engined. My other passion is Alfa Romeos. As much as I love my 159 it took me a while to really want one....could not get my head around the fact that it had GM engine (from the factory...GM owned Alfa back then) rather than a proper Alfa one!
This is a fair perspective, and one I've thought about a good bit, especially for restorations and preservations.
Quote from: moparstuart on January 22, 2019, 09:46:50 AM
Why spend all the time and money on an Awesome build and then put the cheapest POS engine on the Planet in it :Twocents: This build deserves Better :Twocents: You put all the thought and effort into the car and then its like the Engine is just an afterthought because its cheap .
Thank you for the support and appreciation of the thought and effort. I put a lot of both into design and construction.
POS is a statement of opinion, and one I do not share related to the LS platform. Further, I'm not putting this engine in because it's cheap - it did come to me relatively free, but in the end it won't be cheap. I may not have explained that adequately, and so your perspective of it as an "afterthought" might be a fair one. Permit me to correct that - the engine selection started a happenstance, and eventually became a conscious choice as the LS platform has the right balance of aftermarket support, ability to create large quantities of torque across the wide RPM range, relatively light weight, and compact external dimensions. Like most folks that want 700ish hp, it will take 10-15K to get there and remain reliable. Recall my goal for a 50/50 weight distribution (or as near as I can get) and a 3500 lbs dry weight. It's hard to see how a 440, 426, or gen3 hemi can take a 14" setback and accomplish that goal and remain comfortable to drive long distances.
Why spend all this time and money - to build the best machine that I can that does all the things that I want it to do. In my mind, and for this car, tradition cannot compromise function, and there are no rules.
David
AMD offers all body parts for a 70 Charger, except for the inner roof structure, the front fenders and the hood. I let AMD use my NOS 70 Charger front valence pan so they could template it and offer 70 Charger front valence pans to everyone. They also reproduce the front bumper. My car has a full Nascar roll cage,so the inner roof structure was removed like most stock cars.
QuoteI disagree....I think......The engine is the soul of the car and I would be uncomfortable without at least a Mopar derived engined. My other passion is Alfa Romeos. As much as I love my 159 it took me a while to really want one....could not get my head around the fact that it had GM engine (from the factory...GM owned Alfa back then) rather than a proper Alfa one!
Are you so bothered about cars losing their torsion bar & leaf spring suspensions? To me, the OEM chassis is just as much of the Dodge Charger "essence" as the engine. Swapping to coilovers and and front-steer rack is changing the whole experience.
Some guys take it farther and want the whole car to remain stock or day-2 condition with bias tires. Those old tires definitely made the driving experience different.
Different strokes.
There is no shortage of near/stock old Mopars. We've got room in the hobby for custom stuff. It keeps the hobby interesting. And the fact is, OEM restorations are not doing as much to hook another generation on these cars. 14yo boys don't get excited about hula-hoop steering wheels and vinyl tops and 14x6 rims.
Yeah . Camaros are cheaper too , so might as well just buy one of them since apearantly cost is the main consideration.
Camaros are boring.
So are ls engines.
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 03, 2019, 05:54:41 PM
With the engine setting back that far, what will the access to hedder gasket change, or wire/plug swaps be like? Just thinking out loud about when the steering column is in there.
Could do a removable trans tunnel/engine cover? (like a van)
Very interesting thread - thought provoking and fun to see. I like the way the engineering is going and will be interested to see the final product. Thanks for sharing this with us. :2thumbs:
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on January 22, 2019, 05:24:49 PM
QuoteI disagree....I think......The engine is the soul of the car and I would be uncomfortable without at least a Mopar derived engined. My other passion is Alfa Romeos. As much as I love my 159 it took me a while to really want one....could not get my head around the fact that it had GM engine (from the factory...GM owned Alfa back then) rather than a proper Alfa one!
Are you so bothered about cars losing their torsion bar & leaf spring suspensions? To me, the OEM chassis is just as much of the Dodge Charger "essence" as the engine. Swapping to coilovers and and front-steer rack is changing the whole experience.
Some guys take it farther and want the whole car to remain stock or day-2 condition with bias tires. Those old tires definitely made the driving experience different.
Different strokes.
There is no shortage of near/stock old Mopars. We've got room in the hobby for custom stuff. It keeps the hobby interesting. And the fact is, OEM restorations are not doing as much to hook another generation on these cars. 14yo boys don't get excited about hula-hoop steering wheels and vinyl tops and 14x6 rims.
Fair enough ....and mine is far from stock. I have coilovers for the front and a custom steering box (no R & P though). A day 1 or 2 restoration has little appeal to me. But I love watching the treads on here that are going that way....and the attention to detail is amazing. To me the mods you mention are there to improve the driving experience....better handling, brakes, modern tyres etc. But the engine is the heart and soul of the car. Mine has very little or the original MOPAR in the engine but its MOPAR based and recognisable as such and I might not feel I was driving a Charger without it or with an LS or whatever in its place.. Buts its the OPs car and more importantly his cash.....so best of luck with it. Im very jealous of his welding by the way....mine holds the metal together and is strong enough......but does not look anything like as pretty as that!!!
QuoteFair enough ....and mine is far from stock. I have coilovers for the front and a custom steering box (no R & P though). A day 1 or 2 restoration has little appeal to me. But I love watching the treads on here that are going that way....and the attention to detail is amazing.
Yeah, my stuff doesn't remain all stock either. I was just making a point.
Although I do think the chassis design contributes to the 'heart and soul' as much as the engine. So do the bias-plys. And the carburetor. All the quirks add up to make it a Charger. When is the heart & soul lost? I dunno. I don't think it's the change of any specific one of them. More like a cumulative amount.
Its sorta like asking "what is a muscle car?" V8? older model year? 2 doors? big block? Solid axle? People want to make a mandatory checklist list but there are exceptions for all of it. It qualifies as a muscle car by having some number of these things total.
QuoteTo me the mods you mention are there to improve the driving experience....better handling, brakes, modern tyres etc. But the engine is the heart and soul of the car.
An LS engine is to improve the driving experience here too. The lighter weight (and indirectly, the dimensions) is part of the larger goal of moving weight off the front end. If it wasn't a BIG priority then he wouldn't be mounting that engine halfway back inside the cabin. That is a big PITA and he's not doing it for any other reason.
QuoteIm very jealous of his welding by the way....mine holds the metal together and is strong enough......but does not look anything like as pretty as that!!!
True dat. Definitely.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on January 23, 2019, 11:51:59 AM
QuoteFair enough ....and mine is far from stock. I have coilovers for the front and a custom steering box (no R & P though). A day 1 or 2 restoration has little appeal to me. But I love watching the treads on here that are going that way....and the attention to detail is amazing.
Yeah, my stuff doesn't remain all stock either. I was just making a point.
Although I do think the chassis design contributes to the 'heart and soul' as much as the engine. So do the bias-plys. And the carburetor. All the quirks add up to make it a Charger. When is the heart & soul lost? I dunno. I don't think it's the change of any specific one of them. More like a cumulative amount.
Its sorta like asking "what is a muscle car?" V8? older model year? 2 doors? big block? People want to make a mandatory checklist list but there are always exceptions. It qualifies as a muscle car by having some number of these things total.
QuoteTo me the mods you mention are there to improve the driving experience....better handling, brakes, modern tyres etc. But the engine is the heart and soul of the car.
An LS engine is to improve the driving experience here too. The lighter weight (and indirectly, the dimensions) is part of the larger goal of moving weight off the front end. If it wasn't a BIG priority then he wouldn't be mounting that engine halfway back inside the cabin. That is a big PITA and he's not doing it for any other reason.
QuoteIm very jealous of his welding by the way....mine holds the metal together and is strong enough......but does not look anything like as pretty as that!!!
True dat. Definitely.
Thats your opinion.
mine is that a mopar engine is as important as the body. yes aluminum isnt an easy tast but there are many acceptible mopar engine options.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on January 23, 2019, 11:51:59 AM
QuoteFair enough ....and mine is far from stock. I have coilovers for the front and a custom steering box (no R & P though). A day 1 or 2 restoration has little appeal to me. But I love watching the treads on here that are going that way....and the attention to detail is amazing.
Yeah, my stuff doesn't remain all stock either. I was just making a point.
Although I do think the chassis design contributes to the 'heart and soul' as much as the engine. So do the bias-plys. And the carburetor. All the quirks add up to make it a Charger. When is the heart & soul lost? I dunno. I don't think it's the change of any specific one of them. More like a cumulative amount.
Its sorta like asking "what is a muscle car?" V8? older model year? 2 doors? big block? Solid axle? People want to make a mandatory checklist list but there are exceptions for all of it. It qualifies as a muscle car by having some number of these things total.
QuoteTo me the mods you mention are there to improve the driving experience....better handling, brakes, modern tyres etc. But the engine is the heart and soul of the car.
An LS engine is to improve the driving experience here too. The lighter weight (and indirectly, the dimensions) is part of the larger goal of moving weight off the front end. If it wasn't a BIG priority then he wouldn't be mounting that engine halfway back inside the cabin. That is a big PITA and he's not doing it for any other reason. :2thumbs:
QuoteIm very jealous of his welding by the way....mine holds the metal together and is strong enough......but does not look anything like as pretty as that!!!
True dat. Definitely.
Good reply! :2thumbs:
QuoteGood reply! 2thumbs
Thanks.
:cheers:
Let's catch up.
The footwells are welded and blended, the engine frame mounts are built and welded, the Rev1 engine cradle is built and installed, and I finally got to start in on the inner chassis rails. Oh, and I'm also getting around to converting the TR6060 into a Magnum.
In order - welded up using regular 70S-2, and some silicone bronze smooths and blends the transition to from the foot well to the torque box and frame rail. I really like working with that stuff.
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David
The first engine cradle design didn't work as I intended, so this is Rev1. I'll ditch a design that isn't working before making do. The purpose of this assembly is to tie the mounts and rails together and provide another integration point for the front shear plate.
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My settings: 190A, 25% balance, 200Hz, ~22* 2% La grind, 20 cf, 1/8" 5356 filler, a slight preheat, hot cup of coffee:
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David
For workspace reasons, I had put off welding the inner chassis bits until the footwells and engine cradle were done.
Those sub-projects are done, and so we move on:
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More lateral reinforcements coming:
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Very close to stabbing the powertrain and beginning work on the trans mount:
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But first - complete this conversion. The TR6060 bellhousing/front cover is removed and a Magnum cover is in its place along with the tail housing. The 3.01-related input shaft is 3/16" too long, but a 1/4" bellhousing spacer should correct that. I'll do a more detailed post once complete:
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Lots of good evenings and weekends ahead.
David
Quote from: INTMD8 on January 22, 2019, 09:23:23 PM
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 03, 2019, 05:54:41 PM
With the engine setting back that far, what will the access to hedder gasket change, or wire/plug swaps be like? Just thinking out loud about when the steering column is in there.
Could do a removable trans tunnel/engine cover? (like a van)
That's a great idea. I've been thinking about access panels for maintenance, but a dog-house would be a really good all-in-one accessibility solution.
Quote from: XH29N0G on January 23, 2019, 02:15:05 AM
Very interesting thread - thought provoking and fun to see. I like the way the engineering is going and will be interested to see the final product. Thanks for sharing this with us.
I appreciate the feedback. I'll keep at it.
David
Again... Beautiful work! :2thumbs:
awsum work an weld skills here. :popcrn: :popcrn: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Lennard on February 24, 2019, 02:35:33 PM
Again... Beautiful work! :2thumbs:
Thank you. I'm trying to balance aesthetics and function without sacrificing either.
Quote from: djcarguy on February 25, 2019, 08:31:43 AM
awsum work an weld skills here.
I'm learning a lot as I go. It's as much fun to build skills as it is a car.
David
Little late to the party but this is an awesome build and thread, keep up the great work!
As far as the powertrain debate goes, my opinion (for whatever that's worth) is do what you want and what makes sense. The LS platform is objectively really hard to argue with and quite frankly this car will be so custom by the time you're done it will really only be a Chrysler product in appearance anyway.
Quote from: Dano 1 on March 07, 2019, 09:47:08 AM
Little late to the party but this is an awesome build and thread, keep up the great work!
As far as the powertrain debate goes, my opinion (for whatever that's worth) is do what you want and what makes sense. The LS platform is objectively really hard to argue with and quite frankly this car will be so custom by the time you're done it will really only be a Chrysler product in appearance anyway.
Glad you're enjoying the build, and appreciate the kind words.
Here after another good few weeks of work, and a decent series of milestones. Lateral chassis bits are burned in.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/z3gEAoY728tM3hApeNVKn5A7afn1Bq1WTqkw4tTx4AFtD56tGzaPZ0OGXASxkkvtCuCDX17aNN97UPL839hc-kzU71fodEc9L36cFiBoI8uPpB1SKYeC5lZovVCba4tZoIPE3W91x9bDd-jXD03tkI6gB3PRmVLk7jbj6wXs5aiPu4v2K4iN0c5HUiMUyNF_iYLkadYZ3vhmEB0a3DR6u9QwQQAq2lqzElbjvnrdb3hxH7HFTzM7jBwYr0kUbePK0VC5ByaTlXkGFhZ-NZa6XIzA6I3BNxrwfxcgcBo74LqYQgGIVfdwlVSDFZMHzszFNbCoH03lcDHxi1x5DHemdHsvhtrIevfbcnLivdfqosLI4aqx3Qq83TvQzbnfhfwskZfBW3ueFqLkivUGZM40YEPAnHFQ09WlMIQ4P_o4Y6nxaMs0tGukTkkCgQlDTyJVZLg6v6Dyd85lAcsY0AuTKyGW8T6N11hTtSSfAvOCEOe_0M3zjn4WoAWXy6TopxA0mehS4CCNee2nb_UkxbHIwOdCsFhkGujaUB1zc4uuLM-JtmqQW65e4W1_eVQZmAfioJ7AD_7yHgVzkueiob0I2iZdmRUvxP-p6IBBdwWI6ii1pvnBHpdUHZi0r3ezseghYFWfBdYhMYVTiIlovwt5vsIvtDaEwYz7EYpOchMfihkVd6d_Aie3IhSkOzXExIjDR8dUmIkeXtZX3ZiFP-U=w1024-h768-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/V7k3zfoktDkmptaYTRKhC3hanuVuQ41G9bxrJyXVud9G3j4LU51RvzdBI_OYc3pPG4_NdB2oHCVdz82tUxNzUVAJv8OCd2EA3MRm-GEohVsmvG4NT_p6G66l1CYOgAHpADjmVasIYLgL5LwK4FoLZyzFI1G97nU7M4jcL5YhzYYu9-mu6z_oBy-BdEgzaauWP-Wtbjs3L93C91oYv4OAe6dEWiAuho-D2GP9oO0trzF0DafuyCGWeuXHVeqq0_KWv8Z7X10GZey_vwsQyxt2Kovf-gKyu9QITg-gaLPVs4NVQe9F9rBnDwPQp80RjNWWEoE3qThV-GMD9wKc6qX5oSgp-xl0RJxAVqK0KTR7M0chfB24sfWh2xOfmBkfJstY_PKnBo7niQh5TCgYXvviSN1BRozmmzIkLRgX73D5qNPTbanOorwmHbECcCNGDIQgdtAZmNXCfQaBk8N0sQRYWFujUyAnjVhKUsdXevT1QDkv0ro57NaUrwsDS2VABR6HMC2ac0LVXuwnAa0bZovqwnNrbSKfGwqt5yY_xqGbwFxwFq78X1a-Wu90YBX0kPalh2VqfWggnrV0iqw8nrcg85LIBEuw3zg6UQIX0vYuBK_lZJD7WG7HicRJI_-PO2OuXGrjdXsUN7mfhQ4Dh6iIYVMbuxyTGkX99Fsy8wMff2cgoFfH9m6q22x5IQw4aE71rvY-aNzjat6ddQcwaOQ=w1024-h768-no)
Just about ready to stab the engine and trans.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4w5CdjBxtm9o2Wdm-ZBQOMBF_yQcatGodKvvmxX7FKTS_VJnSG8-WiNmnWiSamDIKkEeb04Rr8H3laVyppOcBe7osMekxVJaWVC_VltnGMQPC7PGyTQw6G7P9fnrXYgqknlhD6nx7mcZFhnDv7DHOndkMTTwr2_PPSZws4g6O58lwQ5VAp-74GBB6CyihRe5HU1cKjo7iHG0yE0EmqNabdtO2yVl74NBI8A4axu7kAa6-LzXquPOmUwwl3JGcM8TTSQKSLlSuT_5NFOQoHwP0ICjSMjCMZsMzlfJ2Kf0mfqkuANzqXcEv_YU6jqh3iMjQDb4jrm6oSfqeHwIcgpY9HNi369aqJAASNw8eR2f970Eqhu4aEBTFWGSd9ozsFfEaWt_RbIkpl682yzH7lUFryOEu51KT_jARU7LwDPG1Lvu9zH1TjYgnMRGIr15nTgWP1ZPOnZ_kC6oU8xqCfSDJnRqR3LWECFXNAeHGnLVPerSW1b0vrwx_Nit5Tk3BXPyKnryBU8rDAGHT2QKGaflpwvNoNziuzzL2c1Qf0Qj1QUdyB8VMraN3xAYM8BP3eIhfF8iozoWIwzjBFq8JOpxZjUB-U7RDCuc4MSbSip5LTnK01PMBRyQ3o-l-s4AVejAOECh9HVuGW8u40mhZwZc_X9hFi6YYw1O_IXPL2KJj6dkAAGS0k_w7CxHqSZsPgtY8lyquIEta9WcRTTLeg8=w1024-h768-no)
First, need to keep the input shaft from an interference fit with the crank. Quicktime RM199 1/4" bellhousing spacer leaves only a minor amount of contact, and just requires some light clearancing.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/TAT7m9IBPyObnjTm3EEthFUhr8mxB0no7pH4y6_C8K08BQUjvYJAvd4mNtv1IUDpjPQSreZRyCScMrLKJkj-3lvV3g9hFdMoPk_Ezmdea9D8LtRntt3oTNOrJtEPpkZh3YxPsJak2-jo41ZdQJ2-cNZ-9sIN7Lq2qVuRpIiGc0wmjV8dOEfs2mq7-pxg3dDTBmaAPkpvfUrXYyUxUe_W1RanEWt_Z1NqsY9bNv0Vs2ZM9sykVR_kQVJxIaZu6ZA0Bwfb4mA1b3ASOmlrl5uZdGndnwvAR6JpqmAFiiStjBIp67G0yTE9sX30Q5s5qurYATKbv_D-vfuPwC7jqZfgQLG1Q7-boBf5EH6zIBlLKV3-wlY73B6OpUxSNZMuotuQbkPcuKukndbBjy6qFCS2VfKiaWdfAyLcanN_SPQxxkfTdZcDGoQb0MdGtrMyMqzyQ2Fuax_SlNQvzg1C5dQWYXTnncaCEwqZqjnqHV8tet714tYU0N4Mfe36-kB8hO39ostoqKqdyNcWSHjmC88afc2ME4BOJl0Zbb0xnn1kpCXKLI74k9lbU2OPRaUfR-mNByX1HCWH5IgpkbZN3wxumPuxutG_6lQZ3EgiWOZBjZu6dD_pR_cU3zHej1eSAGPKV78TqVpWSZmuE4rzLG1SLWOl0_4u2iOuJ4vn4B5Jd110OEzuJ-htOc9SGCZVK2VvEtJ_cGYPHH1AKp_UbIg=w1024-h768-no)
Maybe 1/32" of interference remaining.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/PMm-fmDdDKsiMN9xBXMmkTZ7WPJoGKU4gtWjHgDwuTBTRdApaYvGPqgaVISznX58hTtPw5dvOuw0r18My9-qQq6aNCVXuvseNLnAnpRoV_AZnv_YmtpM_qLNCSaAhbvGWcc5y8ChCKEc1SNZwkEK6UDZ1s6jWYwo2PMtS_T1c-XaP8f6ELAWjMrfK8psEQzfVvrPLMh3o-KeBWfVzLR3o7teZeZBKmlNG-71hLydRfF66AMKaZdBV2h7N6n2T_969AF8PS6LTBNdr8nVVQQ5FzM3gdLW5dUtfZBw2pwRYNmb-p7mBWoeZ0aNuXL8TDILYTeBdVm1ouGmu2_UF_T5x0ZMmgX-Mr9dphJ0LnaXh4oF-29MzpI6to6mqZpD_tBbC09je4dCsbvZtV7Wls7uUqWVZT2DXacro5DrGF1zGFf0vthVM2-M98jr1x4VGl_MMCurCzCc2GyV6oEQADz1s5WsM1Z60dp9hDi4jGGhVSvrnPrqzLTIjKPxh74Yo6hnEKVr7eVkrPHzUvWLTAcPNg6i4Y-otJWtvFyrKNWpIVO_TX05AYmp8utlzlkM9bSXlcrsWxfWy2clCB4XshDOtcNLsG6BNW9fFX3lDVAl9evh8qoAPBPvd7Ix8n-R2bJ-L2TtQ5GiWeutk6kpHHq_zXRROCdzYemvO39dw8ytD9prqWWXiWlQJsL2HrhiSxxN1hSRUAzjjgIsFLP8Jao=w1024-h768-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4-NTcQmIxHnZVynzTfZYpRFJGHnvtYNiyumOFj-p7bCsJ8nlMjpbOLV8Ss2RlZTC6-3C8W91aSTRPjTJ2q2FEDspHq5o_-KICW_BSH9CMxDBMdyQ5H8Ghk1WVlhJy4Ghyb5wyduz7J6-n7l2MWQQcXMccBYkxQTGn8sAZE-W5qpohFfo1gsCToSzSl2guqh_1fAqvhX5qpoIBohGC6RlyP1ikEOAl9forrG0lnyFY03Cyyo6dgEbOBtcgxwGAtIAEhgKkzjBHY-jkrlAFs_UmAv9iudkffYqLZ6piUbtHj-nir7zmKxUOokT9FgT35oV5K-YotJ3fMFdqbwIrMeypexOhE6XgZMeQiogXOsCCgpynOpPGEBrkXlKDEYEctbywcdmIsTTr32WFd1A5RESE7zOLy9Gc0-YgJUx6LJ5fhmBS14IMbfyu1_Tqoj20hFb3GaW6iSQJliD_jXuJEiqX8gNjJ1EOzZWATuc8qWoo7MqcPcK8GU-AikTBnGwwxAUygq3NRbB2qHuvToNEALwu0JXY0KtePgm9tA1Rx_2PcwYCmRe7QJxp3sijNcVXRmrQ0VAUQK0zmLeGEiuCWvxGPlSKL8FUUPXROjxcRk2XXpTh3RDFSCwtqnNngMP6-5-ga5X9lHfXUCkKGqujz7LSeUnBu7SMHZl7EiMe7TsQYFJiNwTPeHfk4okynRbVVuBYitInwyOOtfl7fG25Bg=w1024-h768-no)
Next up in the conversion - shifter rail. Here's the shorter TR6060 rail.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/kX_Uw32H68ZxkgXi_Upu8x6oiLkRkvp9DTLE_RlUKAwA88nQgF3quZKpZHuSnCzjP_sPH_FLKui-86KZWGw1layjP71WN9T0M5sqf3Z79XF8j5zA8jXNKekWWkCA04f_SUgXUfBX2PYHUu4K8_-Xhvgb7mQB3POxYnTOEi2ULVSxC3rYeUBEhwfAQa9jScw_GowHIMrne2EUnKBeCxTH8pd9JzdmIGUr_8umiG8vDBphF4cX72qBG5t1cug8nMaVb-EY5tKG7z7Dip1FKbyhSSIo56xPVevaITnJiIH1l9FrCU4MhxxhwaPkI-14N87sd_ETy_QjsuIERFrHBu87Vhqh7jhj01ZTL_FpYsvqobIVfavK4Aa_j9D7TVxq7w6K5eXArMIc85G-xD-vxNf5n8-C0eAjI_bbIkcpA35pF1YItVEc6K2D6vz1DLDs1hZuxdQT_QEjvDUoy4LI4Fg6TTyQVdOYQYo3jdai9J7O8HE8LuOHBACi0duS0-eaouaDiClLw0_qHvmLmPGVsYppolHdYCgr7-JZiR87sfWG31h-0_NcpyRMhHXVx9X8UBd99q5d_4lF_ZrW1FUzgNkmniBMUgvqirHEtgAAW0KtyGPOeaVj6h1D3P9uMdPiq3Jd511Y3eyvQo5_m1bYeBdULgpq8JFrAKu37y668kru4JKl1j-hZ_gH_AvE_wiPvepGfjBrVJ-oiZA4FU9KeNs=w1024-h768-no)
Two position magnum takeoff.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/k3ahmbh6okjtT2jVBxo8CzxdnLXZYwIY1HxsPQPH9cpHnngMv1CvzWCDwCX2vWTTEA9isVbkGAFRDnw2kBcu2490_J_yQhZ2Lz8YpRICqvjp5r1m0Xe7W_t6aKdt4xo8fG10XK6wi1QDUfrQ--NXkQfz6q2IJDlRIpya2N2tQIX6LVZlaLJ1Y2OdxnEP-bMIroTcf2Si77q7NdmfPexvcZ7FVvF12zepzI9qxHkYgh0CpECSYTaVNGynqk0N8hAfaX7hMHoxjwB7qFs7hawv-PO-2sab9Q8I_tMmj1nr5RUvGrGi7AkqF8D14Gyp_rijjAvioQN9vi2QPJ0GVSWBCbrI742Gh4Y0PpOC8JljbOnaiHWLEqk-drH3a_wiOXAVevYg56EADJaaVlEs28pN71mjkowmaRqosO9JFt0wqPPrRYlQROVTTYHUjArtTz7_d41S71ikpIGRnuhoAxw21SdEiuZh9HFSeHoD1s9cKR1ZqPkUqb334EtQ3A3PqTDim7uRpycsd72HFry1zyu9LZ3ubCj3UmHp6l9364SwDtEurp9XKBZ5eRTXHOritbOrBTLDxckhkk71TnXgSZTSCvdzJHZV0PDKAU-b3U3vtCM2nmwqWxvoD9PRuUNl-IIgS1XrumSdpwTTGgonvPfEqrGdWfOoauaiTRvGCpKaGiO-ND7NMU4xHZxc7h7Y9yqYkMaUF5Fn2b4vdxDNIIc=w1024-h768-no)
Only thing really remaining to convert is the output shaft and pump mechanism, but it's setup enough for mockup purposes.
David
It's all details. Maximum effort shifter cover.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5OdG8gaMcCYlmTdvhPlg_w5XhgPMzoU2tfR9DUvT5zptVErElRjsUhTpsdw5Q-Ru2kBMmpbVcftL9hJT7VeRF77wm7i4FJr5Mdk8v91wSei457aDfuYREX3LsSQ2ynXKRK1AkxxFG5KtP7nx0OGCOqARc__BmezNP1iDszv5pI3KT-ytjU0pYX0HLGPZzU2ZdJzs8aOE9plh3xvP81SrMACRn5P559rpHzBJMDbkS3AUspal_uSc6Spm8fN5XacyGOyu0CABLSEox5nUj0Qasn2tsq18AcZfBw6YOI1hchHUFTBVBanjmPSWOOPZxjl2TNzna114rR_Wv6N7CcI0Wvf2sNifxbGttx_a5gAdwaa4bnEwVg3AkTg3744qBnGgMZvUeQ-zdYlMd3TfgSyxaxsszJRzRtotnv_Q5WUMb_0d88AatFrwMrSI7TghybyEmd0W7aQKHB_Bbl6SeMcpi4Ij-h1MeRAO50sI8_tHJ1xtIuMFVG2_agFM_WZ7ygarZT6fy4_Xrq1QGWObvAjEBfak9m5Socr_KIlwvm-PIfIaT9SPNOe51kPzx9pOL7qh9_uvzVZMh051Azi19xQmXMSWxdOfx94iV0Ci8pFXr_1Vfpjg4EKd2XKzlrol08omP0XHDKtJZgwbRsHUn9QvuDBsNYbOztaI1DdppB1nR0fuhcZGSVQVjwcFujVLf_79YJdcgwckjiHjwVh52vk=w1024-h768-no)
Because a $4.95 stamped steel cover is boring.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Ec5Yebq9LlpcgB5hdLfUrNvM30nuhSKxzm55kNFHAfombGEnfpHNGAxaAmVz4glPXMeEHe6hmcmVkt_ygV_K_JKmH69FZl39K_VNFskAsGIByfMlY_J-UJ3Yf5bG7FuQKgJ5B9jtKYO-lp1IjXE-MSUcIczqC_xbq_hYCOOV1TmrxS9tXCuzgqKB5kqXXrMrD2T4IoGyoxuxikKkeqIY5yHKw1V6kv_J_rc4jny79nDg4t7HNDlpLifoDyenUm-II2GwZ90AFkdLi81HfXpZLjvrOq99cJUPUsbWTlLW_I7kGvwgI1F4Ls1BZO_yJKgOyxFpXI1Cc2FqOjk9bXlNcTcK9yCumuqW4Rvs1B3agPpBEXHboIJnWhALm13lubCZTx6s4BIeBJpT1GyieO6nqZVQ8miISw7455Q1c6Vm6iZvAHa5sthGlwEGk9A3HwyR6xEt1AZKE5P5g-1iLOFn3aTkYSz2ixECIz_HWs8Y4tkT0m5k4wKjYVDfPMU0tI5RbleiZQEz11YhjPiTawstda0wFekT-nnVE6TmsTkBTnt4s-W-0hz0aBTtD1NCiyaQFk9Hj3xgLLjeHxJfz9cHOOXqDQTK3NLFH7ze0pMn-9tMaG67autnj__LfDWl1jM-8Alnh3CA-yj6PX_hlrfvSnEx3ehktAPTOYw24lhHFxYuloP5DScnm9UfEq1ww3Y6wQWNflSg8GxrKfa19-0=w1024-h768-no)
Stabbed.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/M5LCQR2ZdbKZA2klEE3i_Fn9TF1DNEbKC43Aad_yBSwR1WjKhut2Z1L_6TnE2_AeBqTtZAtYRNTClRS7U27gJclnwLzJIrxtP7c8Ea62TfMopUMSmT6LufCAl6H1rhUVW-pxKu0Fw31sC6-J1KOy2-SAdgBjU75vaLurVLnJ41RsDcWkSxcdxVwFw1bXl9PNIpdLG8zBAxNfgcokQ6K735xVxjCHbhMEWIKccqsCY-b9jqBRNcLiHajXxoVWAv4jAtSmzGIs4F5l-0COgvTYaVs_Al-deBXN76JVYvFSEofEceuh82b0VSHvVSkb85lPJEnRe6s0EUh7xWQIN7XA58sck0NQ4gH5lFOm0LgUGrsLYGqDyVkU3GYDCTuRMzwHL6qL4OOmKAV_6X2--VsNkYMhwxk7aphLhVgfSowW4xfyl0aMQ2w9pnAkYxLGNjzFR7pPKSEI7sqCY7i4qN9Vqyp5R8Gd0arrq5d-BLLXK9uqa5X8iRqAKVUw97oDyxQPJNGfd8DZjjThNCu8N3TuVnJjJ0aKsjchDagg3tsqVEL62hlO8G5xC-ee8sHapVjEb3P0Khhq9h4NTBQms0NFJDHcPlF4EG2oRXvayboNxorUwvgWKFmZuSSSqzdwJeGYDJgKOgdNPyp4BED7LhGCZLzANlOl_Kdyo5OZ_G_VwPFA6qESd_f0fVUAG45EpsP_dV0iUDhtpYWqw8kJUDs=w1024-h768-no)
Just enough rear angle for the heads to drain.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/X1ctVmL6kg78yDPxpyHL6BguDRFW29EdpRUGR1XJKDzgi-X22KeaE0CN_IJGO_ACXCGtgsVD4Wx1PaUxbR9ZD7C1x_eS-QdcgAHbwv4OL6xnk1GnFym0mP9GqwB6yp0B5eefifZDxGIcGEo80bVtOCN73YRRLxgjE257nTuX7tzfJDrRsyWMaot4cjXaltkZ73i0Yyaa2CcuXw76hkEkGXJILd04LIW2FLxWs2MveYhDZVhtNrCGOB6sBcVXQYssDBwSpkaHm0LGlZIS8U4pw8e0xyrbBx3q1Se0ugfGoaDxg-apipHmfQVLs_lx2lnk7Ef7s948GH2PXsIpMXz3Go9GrUDcq2GEM_eFlKCH2Y2-_wWflXfWm8n_XMjpY12raL857OsiZ72z-4yB8Zq8P_FmC1UDNyhgitP3atbXcQsMDatP2olCSGNL8zGo5bT0PbWMUmYA1MLea_JJ-osBgS4unJZBboR_DXat9k6J26e5hSgXEEX2lWC4FJCdL7E7ot848grjc7yGniXMpQqkBpE7Sk3YlBLN2uCQhtpnJP8zn6FGBjCUY_5u79-MFu-dnbu0ZDLDwkWFM178eIOGh1T5QK3vbMnzJYaZPAmdf55eKeHF9oBoMqoR0L7t3ali1-DFolQHEsBQlFqClxso0nQfONrj5iOAurqSbnjNUhqGTBBrgQ_0vNtp4r6MGhU2qZvEf7MNJzfCtHwd0MY=w1024-h768-no)
You can clearly see the 5* angle built into the magnum bell and tail housing.
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Engine cradle detail.
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That's about 1" of clearance.
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David
Finally able setup driving position.
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Shifter is exactly in line with the steering wheel - just where I want it - no bent shifters in this muscle car.
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Pretty proud of this one - midengine Charger.
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Setup for a flat bottom, with only the oil pan and bellhousing dipping a couple of inches below the rocker beams.
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A friend performing driver position duties.
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The work continues.
David
I know you have different terms for things over there but technically that's not a "mid engined charger" just because the engine is between the axles...When the engine is in front of the driver, but fully behind the front axle line, the layout is called a front mid-engine, rear drive, or FMR layout instead of the less-specific term front-engine; and can be considered a subset of the latter. In vehicle layout FMR is substantially the same as a front engine, rear drive car, but handling differs as a result of the difference in weight distribution.....being much less likely to spin....but virtually impossible to recover if you do! Historically and far more commonly the term "mid-engine" has been primarily applied to cars having the engine located between the driver and the rear drive axles. This layout is referred to as rear mid-engine, rear-wheel drive, (or RMR) layout. Just terminology I know and makes no difference to this very interesting build.
I can appreciate the work but cannot grasp a man putting a GM engine in a Mopar.
Great fab work. :cheers: That is a ton of setback. Need to do rocker arm actuated coil overs to fill up all the space in front of the engine :D
Where did you get the welding table with the holes in the surface? Looking for something like that. (or maybe an old t-slot plate)
Looks like an exciting build! Gonna be a load of fun to drive with that tied unibody! :drool5:
Great build ! your Car Your choice on the powerplant!
Quote from: Kern Dog on March 21, 2019, 06:55:45 PM
I can appreciate the work but cannot grasp a man putting a GM engine in a Mopar.
To see such amazing fabrication work,on such a heavily modified Charger,and then see the Generic Motors belly button powerplant,takes the wind out of the sails on an otherwise cool Charger.
Quote from: chargervert on March 22, 2019, 06:13:27 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on March 21, 2019, 06:55:45 PM
I can appreciate the work but cannot grasp a man putting a GM engine in a Mopar.
To see such amazing fabrication work,on such a heavily modified Charger,and then see the Generic Motors belly button powerplant,takes the wind out of the sails on an otherwise cool Charger.
Detroit Speed and Marine built that Orange and black "MayHem" Charger a couple of years back.....Using some GM based front suspension design. I was just as disappointed in that.
The amount of effort put into this car, the cash as well...In the grand scheme, the additional cost of a Mopar Hemi is pennies. The used 5.7 engines are not hard to find nor expensive. A 6.1 or 6.4 is a bump in cost but still within reach.
The only reason I could see an engine from another make is if there were no viable engines available from the Parent automaker. Nowadays, GM, Ford and Dodge all have great engines to use in their classic cars.
The LS is cheaper....So with that logic I guess you will be using Harbor Freight nuts, bolts and washers....
Why cheap out like this?
Really nice build, your putting some time and thought into it along with quality work, there's a few here with blinders and feed bucket attached that can't wrap their heads around your engine choice, those are the one who forgot/forget what hot roddin is all about, I have 2 LS powered vehicles and can appreciate the power that is easily obtained from them, sure you could have dropped a gen3 HEMI in it, but it would be just another "bellybutton" build, a power plant is just that, a power plant... as long as it can lay down the power who cares who the mfg was that created it :Twocents:
QuoteDetroit Speed and Marine built that Orange and black "MayHem" Charger a couple of years back.....Using some GM based front suspension design. I was just as disappointed in that.
The amount of effort put into this car, the cash as well...In the grand scheme, the additional cost of a Mopar Hemi is pennies. The used 5.7 engines are not hard to find nor expensive. A 6.1 or 6.4 is a bump in cost but still within reach.
The only reason I could see an engine from another make is if there were no viable engines available from the Parent automaker. Nowadays, GM, Ford and Dodge all have great engines to use in their classic cars.
The LS is cheaper....So with that logic I guess you will be using Harbor Freight nuts, bolts and washers....
Why cheap out like this?
We've been over this.
There are no affordable alloy V8 blocks from Mopar. And the LS is narrower which makes the setback more do-able.
The Mopar engine options are 'similar equivalents' - as long as you have different priorities from this build.
I do remember now about the aluminum block issue. Still...Why? What is 90 lbs in the general scheme of a 3500 lb car?
A small block vs big block is only about 100 lbs apart. The difference is definitely 'noticeable' if you're into handling. (In aggressive track circumstances it might be called 'obvious'.)
The engine setback would add some more to the gains.
Has to have a light engine . The chassis looks like it's not gonna be light
Quote from: alfaitalia on March 21, 2019, 06:26:12 PM
...the layout is called a front mid-engine, rear drive, or FMR layout instead of the less-specific term front-engine...
Learning new stuff every day!
Quote from: INTMD8 on March 21, 2019, 07:39:03 PM
Great fab work. :cheers: That is a ton of setback. Need to do rocker arm actuated coil overs to fill up all the space in front of the engine :D
Where did you get the welding table with the holes in the surface? Looking for something like that. (or maybe an old t-slot plate)
The welding table came from a friend that builds them on the side - David Demoise. You can find him on Instagram. Mine is just a small 30x50, but it's made a big difference in my fab game. It is a lot of setback, and more than I initially planned. I might move it back forward 1" - 2" depending on a few adjustments to the wheelbase, but that's not entirely worked out. Right now, the "go fast reliefs" are designed to act as extractors, and the space ahead of the engine and accessories will have a bit of ducting to accommodate that feature.
Quote from: Birdflu on March 21, 2019, 07:56:39 PM
Looks like an exciting build! Gonna be a load of fun to drive with that tied unibody! :drool5:
It will definitely be a driver's car!
Quote from: 200MPH on March 22, 2019, 03:48:12 PM
Great build ! your Car Your choice on the powerplant!
Thanks man.
Quote from: chargervert on March 22, 2019, 06:13:27 PM
To see such amazing fabrication work,on such a heavily modified Charger,and then see the Generic Motors belly button powerplant,takes the wind out of the sails on an otherwise cool Charger.
I had to Google "bellybutton engine".
The LS is ubiquitous, and that cuts a few ways: great performance and size/weight efficient, excellent aftermarket and field support, but can seem a little bit me-too. For my build, the upside greatly outweighs the downside.
Quote from: Kern Dog on March 22, 2019, 07:25:55 PM
The LS is cheaper....So with that logic I guess you will be using Harbor Freight nuts, bolts and washers....
Why cheap out like this?
I never claimed or hinted that I was going cheap - that's always been the comment, but it's just inaccurate. There is no cheap way to build something fast and safe. The LS meets a set of criteria the other currently available Mopar engines do not, and that's okay. It's just a tool in a drawer.
But, I do have a harbor freight 12" disc sander, and it's a surprisingly versatile piece of gear, especially with a 3M cubitron disc on it. That sucker just flat works. Also, their 18" (I think that's the size) air-hydraulic cylinder is a decent piece, and powers my bender.
Quote from: DAY CLONA on March 22, 2019, 08:13:10 PM
Really nice build, your putting some time and thought into it along with quality work, there's a few here with blinders and feed bucket attached that can't wrap their heads around your engine choice, those are the one who forgot/forget what hot roddin is all about, I have 2 LS powered vehicles and can appreciate the power that is easily obtained from them, sure you could have dropped a gen3 HEMI in it, but it would be just another "bellybutton" build, a power plant is just that, a power plant... as long as it can lay down the power who cares who the mfg was that created it :Twocents:
Thank you for the kind words. Whatever set of components satisfy the design parameters - that's what gets selected. However, I do appreciate and am very taken with faithful restorations and survivor cars, especially those that get driven. There's room for a few rule breakers.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on March 22, 2019, 08:53:16 PM
The Mopar engine options are 'similar equivalents' - as long as you have different priorities from this build.
Exactly. Well stated.
Quote from: Kern Dog on March 23, 2019, 02:09:24 AM
I do remember now about the aluminum block issue. Still...Why? What is 90 lbs in the general scheme of a 3500 lb car?
I shared your skepticism early on. Surprisingly, 90lbs is a significant enough amount of weight to make a difference. It's 2.5% of the total of a 3590 lb car, and when I'm chasing improvements of 1.4 lbs (Al engine cradle rather than steel) or 5.5 lbs using 14ga for rocker boxes and inner rails rather than .120, they all add up, and quicker than I initially thought. 90 lbs from a single component in a relatively dense location in the chassis is very difficult to pass up, and to do so in the name of brand purity just doesn't make sense to me.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on March 23, 2019, 11:40:56 AM
Has to have a light engine . The chassis looks like it's not gonna be light
"Light" is a relative term. It will be heavier than an A body, but it should be about the same weight as your average pro-touring camaro but look 10x better. It will be lighter than a similarly equipped mustang, and not have the side effect of being a mustang. There are no illusions - it will be a heavy car by most definitions, and probably come in about 300ish lbs lighter than a 2018 ZL1 1LE Camaro and 500+ lbs lighter than any of the modern LX platformed cars. That might just be the proper weight for a charger that handles well.
There are a few chassis updates I'm working on that should shed a few more lbs, but those aren't ready for primetime, yet.
David
Eyes on the apex. We're coming into a big turn.
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The car is getting a fat dose of pro-touring growth hormone straight to the jugular, specifically a front and rear suspension from Chassisworks. I'll rebuild the frame to suit those systems. Lots of work ahead. First, update my chassis measurements, and get new 4x2 tubing bent.
David
Quote from: Willomet_Motor_and_Fab on May 10, 2019, 08:50:33 AMso I'm planning to cut out my last 18 months of work to install their Perimeter-X Framd chassis, tin kit, and front and rear suspensions.
Damn! Lots of work ahead for sure. Though I've done the same (spent months fabbing something only to cut it out and start over)
Quote from: INTMD8 on May 10, 2019, 10:07:38 AM
Quote from: Willomet_Motor_and_Fab on May 10, 2019, 08:50:33 AMso I'm planning to cut out my last 18 months of work to install their Perimeter-X Framd chassis, tin kit, and front and rear suspensions.
Damn! Lots of work ahead for sure. Though I've done the same (spent months fabbing something only to cut it out and start over)
Totally right. Always trying to do the most right thing for the car, even if that means not using the stuff I built.
David
If you really want to do right by the Charger, than put a Mopar engine in it, and put the LS in a Camaro where it belongs!
Quote from: chargervert on May 10, 2019, 11:06:20 AM
If you really want to do right by the Charger, than put a Mopar engine in it, and put the LS in a Camaro where it belongs!
The current Mopar lineup doesn't provide an option that suits the needs of the build, and those criteria have been covered in depth in prior posts. This is about choosing function over brand purity, and I get how that's not for everyone.
David
With a new chassis that is surely lighter than what you were constructing, the weight of the block shouldn't be as much of a factor as it was. There are several aftermarket aluminum Mopar blocks available as well. Just get a sponsor to step up and fund the engine as you have done with the chassis.
Quote from: chargervert on May 10, 2019, 11:41:17 AM
With a new chassis that is surely lighter than what you were constructing, the weight of the block shouldn't be as much of a factor as it was. There are several aftermarket aluminum Mopar blocks available as well. Just get a sponsor to step up and fund the engine as you have done with the chassis.
Yeah, I do expect the new chassis will be lighter, but that doesn't give me any ability to let up on the weight goal - 75 lbs is too large a chunk to pass up. It's nearly the same weight savings as using a carbon fiber hood in place of the steel one. Interestingly, your thoughts about a Mopar aluminum block solves one of the two original criteria, but adds a third:
- it's relatively interchangeable in terms of weight
- it's still substantially wider than the LS (necessary to consider since 1/3 of the engine is under the cowl, and that strongly impacts packaging headers/steering/brakes)
- at $4K for a Mopar Performance aluminum block, it definitely requires a sponsorship
That's quite a bit of effort to satisfy brand purity, but doesn't deliver a functional impact to the capability of the end product. I can definitely see that it would make the car more socially acceptable.
Last note, and this is just sharing something I've learned over the last year or so - I can't overstate the seriousness of acquiring and growing sponsors as partners to a business - the kind of relationship that builds over time through this and future builds, and grows my reputation along with their own. So, the phrase "just get a sponsor" might unintentionally minimize the work and investment involved, which I don't believe was your intent expressing it that way, but just like I've learned a ton about welding and building and shared that here, it's worthwhile to clarify and outline that portion of this project, too.
I really value your critical feedback, because it keeps me thinking in perspectives that are different from my own. Thanks again.
David
I would go to the gym, and loose the 75 pounds off my back side before I would give up my Mopar engine in my Charger!
QuoteI would go to the gym, and loose the 75 pounds off my back side before I would give up my Mopar engine in my Charger!
But are you sitting between the front wheels?
Location, location, location. The LS motor decision was never about total curb weight.
I've said it before: Ask a competitive drag racer if losing 75 lbs off the rear bumper area isn't important. Ask him if you could just add 75 lbs back into the passenger seat and make up for it.
Where did you buy the parts to convert the TR6060 to a T56 Magnum? Was it a kit? I have a couple Mopar TR6060's and would like an affordable way to convert them to T56 magnums
Quote from: 70B5Cuda on May 11, 2019, 12:18:43 PM
Where did you buy the parts to convert the TR6060 to a T56 Magnum? Was it a kit? I have a couple Mopar TR6060's and would like an affordable way to convert them to T56 magnums
Tick Performance - they've got a bunch of takeoff Magnum parts. Smart folk.
David
Is green and yellow the for real paint scheme? It's unusual (for something that is not a tractor) ..... but I'm digging it.
Quote *RallyeMike*-"Is green and yellow the for real paint scheme? It's unusual (for something that is not a tractor) ..... but I'm digging it."
Its a classic Lotus colour scheme.
(https://i.ibb.co/d5zjkKb/24157dc89f45c03d7ebaea96c469baf7.jpg)
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Quote from: RallyeMike on May 11, 2019, 11:02:14 PM
Is green and yellow the for real paint scheme? It's unusual (for something that is not a tractor) ..... but I'm digging it.
Goodwood green and deep golden cadmium yellow. It's inspired by the Lotus livery, but with an offset stripe to indicate driver location. I do understand how it could have different meanings to folks from northern Wisconsin or who grew up around ag implements.
Quote from: alfaitalia on May 12, 2019, 06:54:34 AM
Its a classic Lotus colour scheme.
Bingo.
Growing up, one of the first car toys I had was a hand-me-down Lotus Type 33 from my dad. It sits on my shop shelf today, and this paint is a way to include a historical reference like I have enjoyed on the suburban project. Also, Jim Clark was a badass, and the car is designed to carve corners.
David
Let's get to measuring. In total, I needed to complete two worksheets and markup one assembly drawing:
- Front crossmember and suspension worksheet - determines the width of the crossmember, rack and pinion, standard or wide track A arm, and a handful of small assembly details
- Rear suspension and Fab9 worksheet - determines wide of the rear frame rails and axle housing and the location of suspension pickup points
- 68-72 Chevelle assembly drawing - they don't have a b-body Mopar drawing (yet), so I'm marking up their largest GM assembly drawing for length, width, etc. It's interesting how similar the Charger and Chevelle are in a few key dimensions.
To complete all these with a high level of accuracy, I mounted and roughly gapped the front fender and used the mockup 305 tire to determine the placement for the tire, which backs me into wheelbase and a ballpark backspacing. The car is pretty much a factory widebody, so everything measures larger than the Chevelle. Fortunately, the front fenders are fairly cavernous, so the tires can push to the outside with ease. How I control for tolerance creep: the front of the car is 0" and the rear is about 185", and the suspension centerlines, torque boxes, rockers, etc. are all measurements within that range. Using a T square, I just translate those critical points to the frame table.
Front fender on, 305 at ride height 6" below the rocker. I had to cut the internal fender bracing to fit. The front suspension is pushed forward by 1.5".
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For reference, max bump with the original inner fender. These are commonly cut to fit anything larger than a 285.
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Cut and at ride height, level to the front. I'll dial in the suspension stance much later in the process, as everything has to be built level to the frame table.
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This is my "evaluation pose". I'm trying to relocate the tire in the center of the wheel arch. Originally, the axle was pushed fairly far back in the slot, which I think was a styling consideration so the fender swept down and over a larger portion of the rear sidewall. I prefer the tire to be centered, because it satisfies my OCD. To achieve that, the rear axle moved forward 1.75". Wheelbase is planned at 116.75".
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I'm headed to pickup a whole mess of 3" square tube so I can brace up the unibody externally and begin the cutting.
David
:Twocents:
That back tire is pretty damn close to the wheel lip for my taste. Sidewall flex + bushing compliance + suspension articulation.
BTW, the Mopar B-bodies of that era had two different wheelbases. The Dodges were built with the rear axle located 1 inch farther back than the Plymouth cars. It was purely a marketing move because of their placement in the Chrysler hierarchy. It was done with different front spring eye brackets + differently located shackle mounting tube on the subframe.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on May 13, 2019, 05:36:27 PM
That back tire is pretty damn close to the wheel lip for my taste. Sidewall flex + bushing compliance + suspension articulation.
BTW, the Mopar B-bodies of that era had two different wheelbases. The Dodges were built with the rear axle located 1 inch farther back than the Plymouth cars. It was purely a marketing move because of their placement in the Chrysler hierarchy. It was done with different front spring eye brackets + differently located shackle mounting tube on the subframe.
It's forward by about an inch. Fortunately, I still have room to move it around, and time to do it. The whole rear clip moves inside the rockers, so I can hang the axle and dial it in prior to burning it all in. I'll take a second and third and fourth look.
David
It's this angle that trips me out about the tire clearance with the wheel lip. I might be okay with that as it is but I sure wouldn't want it any closer. Just my opinion.
I'm surprised that somebody in the aftermarket hasn't started producing a version of the outer wheelhousing with the indent opened up. Guys have been fabricating around that issue for decades.
Sometimes they use an inner wheelhousing as a donor piece to fill the hole being opened up in the outer housings. That would produce a nice clean-looking result but you would need to rework the outer bottom flange of the roof pillar tube a little to make it sit flat.
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That's just a fit up to get the tire in place. Like you noted, lots of fab work ahead to make the tires fit and not rub.
David
Looks good! I did something similar on my 68 Roadrunner build...
(https://i.imgur.com/HA8vJNc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9lpb0Jc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BEkxEYo.jpg)
I hate that bump in the wheelwell. The tires look like they fit way better with it cut out.
Car is looking great and going to be badass with the new frame. Can't wait to see more :2thumbs:
Quote from: 70B5Cuda on May 28, 2019, 08:40:13 PM
Looks good! I did something similar on my 68 Roadrunner build...
I really like that design - simple and clean. Did you source the wheel tub patch, or construct it?
Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on May 29, 2019, 06:13:23 PM
I hate that bump in the wheelwell. The tires look like they fit way better with it cut out.
Car is looking great and going to be badass with the new frame. Can't wait to see more :2thumbs:
It's interesting to see just how much tire you can cram without the bump, but no minitubs.
David
The outer wheel house plug was fabricated.
A few chassis updates.
I drew up a design for the rails that would accommodate the engine setback, and had them bent by Jimmy at MRC Fab just outside Charlotte, NC.
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He transferred my design, and quickly rendered it in steel.
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Cleaned up and quickly laid it out on the floor - everything will trim to fit.
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The whole assembly will be stiffer and lighter than my Rev1 effort. As well, the project will also be documented and published on the YouTubes. A buddy of mine is hosting the videos, and I will continue to manage and keep this thread updated along the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi_C2pfjul8&t=8s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi_C2pfjul8&t=8s)
Post and question, add a comment. Jason and I read them all.
David
Maybee narrow rear rails in 4-6 '' give more tire room? with new frame ,build cage and hang skin like a stock car? :drool5: :popcrn: :2thumbs:
Looks like your design had tapered front/rear stubs or am I looking at it wrong? Of course not going to happen bending 2x4 (guessing) but are you going to wedge section the rails for the taper or leave as-is?
Looks really nice!
Quote from: djcarguy on June 29, 2019, 09:04:02 PM
Maybee narrow rear rails in 4-6 '' give more tire room? with new frame ,build cage and hang skin like a stock car? :drool5: :popcrn: :2thumbs:
I have the rear width planned for 38" - 40", which is pretty close to original and should easily allow for a 325 tire. I'm still going to play with it, because you're right that now is the time to do that. The plan is the assemble the chassis, marry to the unibody, and give it a simple 6 point cage. Not entirely settled on the cage design, yet.
Quote from: INTMD8 on June 29, 2019, 10:02:30 PM
Looks like your design had tapered front/rear stubs or am I looking at it wrong? Of course not going to happen bending 2x4 (guessing) but are you going to wedge section the rails for the taper or leave as-is?
Looks really nice!
The rear section will be a trimmed 4x2 while I will probably just press-brake some .120 and form the front. What you see right now is just a rough layout, and needs a good bit of trimming and fitting. I'm really excited to get it together.
David
It's been a minute. Let's catch up.
The unibody is hung in the "birdcage," and the Rev1 frame is out, along with the last vestiges of the unibody rails.
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Heavy duty attachment points, and nothing moved when I cut out the frame and rails.
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David
With the rails open, I went back to original steel and got everything clean and ready to accept inner plates.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uqFH6IX102BIAydqyysPixQCAje99ccDg2YUfxnO6Pn46FOYgDs0ThauEZz81EvgOQbt-qr7mnrqV2_zKwzL7QEu9ql7qm8oYbv5XrUUYugP4odTHg3hXA7Z4ww7JTOCs8fqVIFQD9HtKHLpzxCp4q28jqt7OFOfw_BMqGJQdKcUhPX1CJ1shqzoX1z_SIWbbj4ichGrBOB2_isiF7Fq4Nw4Z6lAJGvIgyTQfLACjfic2W6oUlejbaTn6RixV7BtJFHvu4JYDibB6jRjzQS95-pxnvgCmIiYwFk_uTyg3ZURq7Hql-0cJbO_XCqkwZEWJHC1s5lz5yE4Slp5WgVoI06Rpg6HuBFNiakrPdX8h58qrVm2mY6M881c--wXONS3mwTRKMoOfKzFLHCa5tN7OGLa9wtdfi3zqKg9rI0Oit4U63i60SZrx-xszoLNfz-17h0Jwv7PZWZRgJ4Q0RLhwBHJKepaO67VfZPgkDh6zBYB2MIsU0IC7LytkmHiUQzt25WVu7SNxdrX0dwQgg0C-hp7gYSAvmXXCnVxd_rSNGptLlg-8RoBwy0pDMunaqsl7DAISvhQEQ1pMdNrfYzmvqeqNjfTUMX0kRq6u4V_-arDgK4Bsc-lt7miRY-i9WCxKctes-z9UOOTLGa10nVt0oPIjb5diJPuMFxkTW5luqlZi7RPkawy7qo5RZWZOasZoyFGTEsZ9V5Zbd9LGv7ZR9daZd3VsBgbxSVpNRnfNNU=w1024-h768-no)
Unlike my previous effort, I designed this to be fully formed at the laser shop - no assembly required. Just careful measurement, and loading the design into the sheetmetal module in bend tech.
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Dimpled, cleco'd with still a bit of fine fitting to do
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/yTEFDSaWr_8KRG99SdPPGnBnFAqH_F7j28tVrCUVEphmDv6r53iZroVfFsR67IEJ3bycE6DIP1TQRSeY594veLYSp767ALaXGZVccvvHNVAf0OGoTNcq367z5cb-xC8rVX0m0-GgzA4S_pzJEy4Osu9f8Ds_hrK5vik6AcMhun9qcW7I9ZkA0Pj_udAN8SFveIA2lI3er8am-nVIPwYdNfZyciVdauCQJCO62zr1ctfnVy2kJOo6HSOF2tDjiTzspiD8ILZWa8CSVMyku1i0yvmTh3kq8pc4SyxBPhlxafX4dge1xB61vGgQnIpq742rml8-4lU3wvausmoA8xrzohdGh1kLy_QkwuOU25YBTXYJCnlj6HFHd9tl64lK6X4fsCDUHe6QN4tIIDY4CgeXm5teVNZ7BPV3_xewW2RQkFgX5yE8auIOgLeRQrcrhnSPKS4LemlcPGN_vwunN0MZkGI6d7s7xmU1yIrBo_QSIqD0rtBe9PVgxttvQdJ9N9q4z_qZfB6cmONQPN-urN7mRTA1mInswGLlliqHVuRUfcZ2KGqECxoVdHjhavpDc_jnrFllSPiBHu5RAuhhj_0lbq7ZY_xqqzeRB01jnkDj-hn1DyUg7C1H0C7B27m_SaTDc3TUFpbIiT2BgZTGoM8bP2Zo07Qfr0OckVy2CV71sKMwDyZFTRBrVOeNIW66jAEofFn8128ryGoi6NTqaehHmLhOMdB9wktpdy5arp5YLSc=w1024-h555-no)
50 welds per flange per side, welded, individually air quenched
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Txk4W8jdzfczdKv-SBZR_yqfxrPx-AKDPARLsaY-sGowAGDjqkcW4j1ncWZblUsAVeovv-4DcNp7YdJJXr2CpOdWUKMQEpBJmnrPeSVU_Np0Ao3K1r7ac_fYHXO5MqmTWmTivNV3EjsBiDckq0nVRVcZ0y8tFqqMbC8BWpVDGYZ3Vu_JXaHg8lewP-9zDd4Tys0t6fOMZPO9OqhqphC4Rc06658ScL3Rb-6LxvBSbaO55wQE1xlZ8bJ0_S0x3l66yWB87Pg-6CBiOaMrP_mGUIDAwOdMo2LONXjqAXH5gooeULxgNWvzad9MrwfmzsvbnDN73dWO5V2LBS5aBEm9uUgAeB4u7-7yNej--H6DwnojqYg7BHth3BhPLO-Myk3y1OTzSZVPcrV4xrJd9cr8gcEX6P0uECaOQ-D95sT3kJ-_ny3P1FJ-hXcnkHWfj4xbv_XjE--xe_CKPMAuAI5EjP0aX-Ro9Gb7vjVAWsQHV1DD10jWxKQFxOF7UBAnR-1TcxqyMYD_iw_IWYGz9mK43wnaPhhhDaWK8lhrr-tOfirkidVgm8LNLk5pbrXw40B8G8ttYLHnL6n3O9HYSMxxsHBJK8yw1H0VowT-q_OQapG_XRUA-YXZKYI6DpDNLCy6X9BPS4GxFqg1-Ca4yDunCIO44cqF6KPLymGRxP2p6FwO_c9iLcU-FOE61vqrHJZdEtsK0OMF4gpC_Amt9HmFu0Q-TJvM7YntZTO7WtrU760=w1024-h768-no)
Still straight
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/qt7IsIjlvwb9SYEAoCWptSIMS9Xm569iarsOL-uNfsLmynQxcHS6UeTisezJUiRi6ITJHOgJ-M18clvzpelv5dZ-mkwDNPgx5veS_nwj7TDghBlv2GX8NM-3mWq4PaJ_21GjkmJJySVF24dkOZw4rBHILhsH8jyd_GRevFZL_KwYRAy8PpAXZ_KX1Ib--lTbPd1NZO9nAmyL5zQyLW5WxC42DcLiKN2o2Q5Lih6O0KwOxTyW2xYkEtxqBj_SGnDVqLMb9oE1FCFJxXM8isJJaJmKhKoSiHTeWwzIZamM6e1hhup9FZo6lRwaPYDh1yktH6KMBQpewQB8SNZ0FjkUHYGYh0DCSqBBA1o7aF6h1SNDAAegfNH85bsrvBfg7CVTVP8eygXQP0-EwMDgm_ONrhlQpPPXLOzDszvWrxr6hzemE17EkMeqgre8-NgaciL8MsLESKvtTyV_gg-2Q0SKva7deEkd3yO7-XRBF88RH4_2MNo0JvStk0S75sokt7C6jb537aCOvfc96jCzY7rExzMzZ2IEJxPTz740w79j4_jKHDKCEQEbip1Bm451qNkRciyWHQOTPxupEyam3iw616onyU8Nf0LhT4Kq8VfSW6FkRodB4LCXhqsEtw42XXMIIWsetnt1dNXKUwuBj_NBqnFSqm_5wspbDm_QFKdTQmUeWv5FZ167H1TcrMiW-M9AU7jrDSPEBtIpvOoCpZj9xEdNW0m9P1JRiKQ2-PIcsik=w1024-h768-no)
David
This might be the only time the charger fits in my suburban.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/8ZdnPSjHXCcS3sCwg88WqDrNpHC2H6OJfijYqTO7qzgmPTAto_TLpHMJnGnuzuXfvhW0M-mJba42ts-EuuOYBWx7B0LFRMxaz0hyDwaYAZQmBQcWOqTZTuSvMWTHCWziBcXnwdJe6pfKsi-CVgZuABbYaWxObdRczxWDTBBBTYPfQIFf__fG3EFkWauIrdl3iEOKasZMA9EX9EA5BrotSDjIAlR0_ln8tB6nH0skI_dlm4eNqhXRC5EvhxfDTIgXsmqnnPShcD-kmp2zFJ4MAt-rv-j6GhIfX33EsFKNDDhLKWm6rX_YPL1hsLakFGpTEb9GpMKaX5zOqg-IRVFzHv_3DrijRp-Yamt31ma0shRkKAUTOmD9mjxw2akhBhp0iKMNnL2xsqbLnETFGUaodoX1G9PZkJLGni-oTXzAvPbQoYVwmdYjqRW3o9UXh8yWizOdyRYLojAYW9CdCW9iblyFua5CFcrD1SAhrlYxtGa9nOExWWzXCV9Nbj9uKlhSmLmFNnmHYhw2MoYeFySXk1uMbAM9J2yISneu5kIkj_GaSEXNKy4Nuo_mNyOjoJjGI1jB-vKGxwGYaXrPNRg3h1oAVixh-Hapkh3KKvsgGxlWdlnBzpEzQ5eFHaVCOR-W_WvDJFSpqpf97sJblBttU1sB_3xEPriC6Cs7hym-0kyk1sCvzv1L5TF3G6qiGdiC4FYppPI2HHbpVBhl9xOBngawVv-6wctHaH3ReTztcS0=w1024-h767-no)
Laid out on the fixture table, we built it from the center out
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-fsLxM7e8qxPjPpJDAncVf5qm4n2WKNLrWXzDwD8GgrygMY2R9pwkXvmbHZhMnESbIYTg0TcdWo-Eitr7R_agGFIWazJTtkwqfqJ6_i_zVebizTFeLqmySuJiz8DfcVVGNuQdqC0bFvkZczHvY8OoaW8PofvJou_geqznVxRBw4jreAdANSGCd_XZbWxweX1H14I6_oxGoqE6TfNF11AsjFFZsrBtqOFAd8Zuo6QtL1UK21N30qN7PyfjaIDVBXWKuHz4aFrDqjcsj_L4Lpk3TMChfXNfO0tsaokAmmW7bEMaFvnLZuCxTJD9pGqb4UqAWrrUVHQiOIlk2kOxAuoME-TQiv3Ed5JhQ2_XbiHEacNAuUZyTmeCFIo08Awk7j6GmYGA2gZ3OcGrAeSnWomCJVJWZ-P-ZmU27QsD0XqqObWSluwOpad0uxCQDItZtXjcBsFIJ5NuMM_vwz7aWwMxQNlb81s5WQMdzc2OWoBRBpjmWku9n1QPiSbuTy3fpIlW7QWjxjXEHTVzX1e8_X7Bsz6dUCit7PxXzEU1CMnmbnwXN7CNjUDsMan471MFA6mjO6A_qyd-ogSqCWVz8rf_uXeNgkxDVIGE9D3DpwxSxL3Deb4oV9obl0Q8KLr5W4t140Lo6yytpUU5f0Rnu0GZYKKAmQIgryOFfcqyI5uLuZnmC0ghIeiijvVFQr7Z499djiWJ-93vZR_EDwBDV-BIh56pQAfY10xrda82QqlEcI=w1024-h768-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1IPCPLehCdHU368xA0xzZTD8M5WLRizYd9M_Qj0h46PSfv82p0_NzPrnwxb9V70A5Nqxi-EZWM2vaDEh44ZyGK05_889XSrSTOr9d2oBNJZPgUy3mRKnGCtLUnKmIeY3sZ3PxhUYFjn6tPWeRPLHbBsfL_EDBWhwXXjcPjW61Safgv4g-fUM27ZycnCcfLfQFS4JqT92NriFKSzvpbo6rfVG1ERETD_k_DkwS8lYYnAK3qwaIVWaimnSqACUwGqo8hjle6MJHYdvxCH-u9wNxeY_dxLbHHM2mN2_Em9usLKbopOaFjjABJ7gi7ChpKY56bsVnqz0LY9b2fDFwtC6buXemiiftF7Z6CQUTQD8t1RJQ1qrux_hTwoEVZra7FH1hurSOIgaLy0v788rcpg0muo2H5VshbabAlCQn1Ura7QnjcnrCTjy2lYa4U1dSoK9fpRGQ74ozR4iaUqRM8qyyRnm0BdLJ5U3nMYSZeAxYsRJmS8TsIuy_v6fH628XaRQOtyHgykqVwGZqWPQmdguw9cR_gsa3TCRItRSrnkU11eqJ8y9G68WrII1w1crSBae7HlE_a14jMfBmoeMljRSRlvN-_1i80SbhwMp4_4nFat9jv-aLJkLSgFOfxwpqNuQ-doSVOiRVAzGyNM9Kxkzyz1qkLYbyBpqCy3rPlrnQhAJrWBOOi92zto8UqAgt0IKvFiXXd6hMqDyXnnRNgEpteLN79uF5eg-B8pN7xsO74w=w1024-h768-no)
Chassisworks front crossmember, ready to get fit
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/sc39yBmWUjigormvSC2DO6yIX7dcGugRgwquSoje6v0l9JWTwVTPPi6yD4AswBc45CkNwUe581y1_o62vejR37VjMeUaZe9OxPmPSsHt1sH43PkKiNbei13E03TzL5spIjAazDcLincldr6B5YMUhNk3fwOKPrhKpVPNOV2zCl-Hsv0zZf1Q6Kn5QLim6hczJGnVcNKeH4Uo9eLdvoKEsC5wvX1td6PNPhd4_Xd8NmGGe92a09IjmBVoph4jzXwGV2octgAZznyaZDDkzcKncI2WdNJtyX1ejQF_94UO6adb4gRGyu6jW7cFZMhmVZTwMhBK5nbWlTxXI6dB3rp3LXPg4VnKyYJrFk1FmmoYLNoEVoouVmoOjp2A2Wu-suHQhYf1rxmIXBFo9YrNtNgutzI6lgD09xWATqL3Tpd8okoqLtjQBzpmdofYy3oXAC0JwOvuknqAYWC7WYQXYhk09LCJ6x_9khJEwgyqVcYmLb93Vl4ufUFfC5S1cSR_mt__22ISP9mgrYW7Cb6oK0v9yMeG7qs26uqgqt9qWEdoZhbniLg4ALDz1uDAzRO70dPtgoHNuJGU--TAu2QMq5M1msSf2mGJAEhdzNgy8tzWdXuhXt52blVSbJSd_9QKJTNU8BQeaiP-wbIObYdkrJdkkkd_D29EiNugHSSntc620QhBhJBV7Ex5KtjDSC43v_HM6JohOokMpxrgki4M56mxeeg_XSz0osBSr9yCPQ4lC0w=w1024-h768-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/VAAFmKHWCHpu7NGA2nNYXnmBsd_F3W4scPLHwpoD7y9OW7FloeNIHljhJfSk4c5k3rRILznKxgJDAii_fH1biYYm086teiMN4rbiG5fGTwN8zM2YmdEBNswwJGNFpcP2g283TdkyrtND4m7qO0_eD0ohcTDoS3kfgOaLpugXTL9yJ_S3PCnPohKDm48rZ5NnGePqI5DyQZj7TTqgyccGmHDWsRfpSB2lvDyainlDLAFpJ9p9_rIREOfScryBaK8P7Y9D4ivYTO1s8Ac_B6tbAir_psyUQediinip40cdNVOZIDdwdAgJZ8ftS8YkqCkRp0fPxLAF4Rirk6T7vf6174b5i3jN1TQi6Pmv6D0V67b5fEsNWyc0F7VIW6ptu5mB2YS0D6YWS3ChbIv8o1jmlZyeMpn8ttBkcGY-kk4f07y7cIoRCUXNIVE6qO5x13ic8QzUMgIcy1J4FVCLe0kWrb0fuvtWaNM1BYOpzN6UFaVc2r4zOjs7vOf3X7EYwDOzVwlqMsAwzj7OO9tdxfZkdRk42cXxOFyKVdEYf7Bz5Ny2q2Qd0_mJvYe5MsC2Xa6A_G08IvoTknkbWVb0K_ZN8r3Vtl09MBHxKYzi47z3ZlRAs8e__oEtRmMZUAJTWekRTAT2U-svHBjdEfckPO9OzJzP6ESBhm9zd8RF9CPMYs--uYn4sdSk-A3E0ictGFjKwiGKLfZttJ2Pm9vQCls2e1dOF1dlS3PpnaZ6OdraL4Y=w1024-h768-no)
Fully tacked, and ready to burn it all in - we went slow, and managed the shrink pretty well. Pictured here, it's within 1/64" of square
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/604MaoA0A7PpkG2bCYXV6uaeV93_hOTy2yj1xYQziX6FoHiQzGc_el4c1yJWR0-M0yQlGc5-3sW9bPAb_n7WwNQB85-c98e7t50PFPsOyqZT9CLRS8USiPnJnQ1u6ZfuqKEglXYZNc4CYHsBsEWtK49LxY7qAO40t4wAvx-8M5h_enS37vPhWKxUGJTjxO18OKUnbyIBnMfpSu3IRzYC8imlvShrCXQSNkef959e1KfnaPgnBwIzXIxgB35YwDJMuh5aabNDxMjYSgV0KcLoA3cVkzKhUVQSx5MxW3GVx9YWrPKjicZyMJtE_BjPg0uanoRiQmVEgYkjWBM-WjESAHzSjPAMFUPk5l5o9_wRarkL_WPzXddcxkBpRF7RNUU2QUlApxF45A4j5-ngo9w3selSxxG10FWxG8NO5cT1IsFl9ls89Ks4RPGUw2cBy_AUyN44xF148vrr1fmUTkJfKI9x4bTfrRhSch3np3pq2iQpCpfoIAHpPT6RQVcj_vsc_ZcvBZqv0ejNhJHhF3ccUS2u-_Ez-JK2By1bK-kLMfUjjNGc0EfXeBiTLhCrZuhGD13kpeg4Q7O37L5M4LAFAn3Ma6w_D5cxX9F_EsX8wRPA9tk1_0esNY61ahBhy_AWCtBpd9HTWlsWd1iSK8jo7FV3-rzphlW0ytOU8E5fPNGS_fbLAx7CW-R5m1ItQEVe96FGM0u8h4N9QzfkW9Al1ocr8U9yelVTXkIIVm3RRrE=w1024-h768-no)
Plan is for hot root passes, to be covered by fat caps.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lvWywQ_7KHN60A53GJw3qHrS8MeQLgtK54EM33VBZ7G-8S52FlZr2oHO8BJsoGl7o0o24REa89jTMZ83OCOtH8qtCAdlEepcA12Tw8-6x1RArALtFM9yHtu7obwdsMTcQgwecsCIGKXfvT3AloY_iBev7ALQrvUDZlgb5FxcqLprJw3_LtrKmq3vbxrh5j9fJ1SRHSeza-Pk3Y4bhkc-yFriHmKHs8CgwyLdVHrVRJMJ-hNA7qr0ZBPZesgCUsOtFWK40QR4x_ya2T6wm_zlwKbRzD2Q3Uh2pcakm2MfwDNTOR5RwLy5rkAwJ2KuXbuh7Teh22t03ZWzv8INFZ6u3UZPQGA5fn3JdcyB5rmxDo_ndTNPILlhiMWjsZutaa-QUB3zQbL9jHUnRwwOnuJPuFxifXfD5AbTReMHXXA9FWLBFBgsM_bgByqfpxTNnBSOOL-MXTuV2u-h4UyVXMSwmFsQ4SQHyGBnG7UFoVuGE1uK4KAagHXHKNe1m6klI8R-ovG9cts8dlL_oNlPDTiqYgXrTFIYC6YUPdoNnh2rlxp_I-CYjiZnesb6b5RUYIrh5i6gis9O49xPOz4cDM1rM0u9B7PCz6jvCc3QHasV5ut5ua6bRq9w21udqL2Hb9ePCLBS13vApmb0BsmDmw81r1mG2VjHvJMsK0eVKk0Vfkjbdvb_OpUQ2uWUi9IFTKq3WHQUXpsXJFG_G87uK6ZIlD_f-la4v8nVe4dMkThcjYU=w1024-h768-no)
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You really get a sense of scale for just how big this car is
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Back at my place. We're in the middle of a remodel, so that's explains the huge stack of 1916 shiplap in the middle.
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I've still got to do all the cap passes, T plates, engine mounts, shear plates, and more stuff I'm forgetting.
David
That is a beautiful frame. Nice work. :cheers:
Quote from: nvrbdn on October 29, 2019, 10:51:24 PM
That is a beautiful frame. Nice work.
Thank you. I'm stoked to get it into the car. Lots of work to do.
David
That's pretty cool! It does fit neatly in the Suburban...
Troy
Looks perfect.
How much does that whole frame weigh? I'm just curious.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on November 11, 2019, 04:58:30 PM
How much does that whole frame weigh? I'm just curious.
I was also curious. As you see it, that's 225ish lbs. I weighed each piece after the rough trim, so it doesn't account for final grinding, welding, or temporary bracing. That's pretty light for an X-frame. I still have to get the watts link, exhaust pass through and a few other bits fabbed and installed.
David
That's not too bad. It's a fair bit more than the stock subframes weigh but you are getting a lot of structure & stiffness out of the deal.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on November 12, 2019, 08:28:39 PM
That's not too bad. It's a fair bit more than the stock subframes weigh but you are getting a lot of structure & stiffness out of the deal.
I agree. Whatever weight penalty there is, it's a worthy trade off for a stable and stiff chassis. And I should clarify, that 225 lbs includes the new front suspension crossmember, so the most direct comparable would be whatever the original 14/16ga unibody and k-member weigh.
As you said, this design is heavier, but I really don't think it's by much. Certainly it's lighter than my Rev1 design, as well as the 10ga tanks coming out of the Roadster Shop - those rails alone weigh 600 lbs.
David
IIRC the stock Mopar K-frame is a little over 40 lbs.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on November 13, 2019, 10:01:43 AM
IIRC the stock Mopar K-frame is a little over 40 lbs.
That's a good data point. The Chassisworks front crossmember comes in at 22.
David
The episode covering chassis measurement, Rev2 design, and basic construction of the birdcage is up.
https://youtu.be/AuOlLuBVtvQ
David
It's been a minute. Let's catch up.
The latest episode is live:
https://youtu.be/uMJl7SOw1Qc
Also, I've been working subcomponent design and assembly. Interframe crossmember:
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David
Engine mounts are built - these took a revision to get how I wanted them. Also, I'm a huge fan of overlay plates as a weight efficient method to build really strong stuff without relying on material thickness alone. The tradeoff is in weld inches, which I don't mind.
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The trans crossmember is designed and at the laser shop, so I'll be diving into that soon enough.
David
So many dimes! Excellent work :cheers:
I'm speechless at your work. So, without going over seven pages, you're building a Charger from the ground up, basically?
Quote from: Finn on April 06, 2020, 11:28:41 PM
So many dimes! Excellent work
Thank you. I built four to make two. If I'm not good at TIG welding now, I will be by the end of this project.
Quote from: myk on April 06, 2020, 11:43:12 PM
I'm speechless at your work. So, without going over seven pages, you're building a Charger from the ground up, basically?
You're spot on. I'm muddling my way through, as I've never built something from relative scratch.
David
Wow!
Frame build, part one, is now live. There's some good detail on how we built out the rails, because nothing "clicks together." Part two is around the corner, and deals with the Chassisworks front suspension crossmember.
https://youtu.be/KrFf9EbDzso
David
Part deux is up. Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/4rRI2U514m8
David
Cool videos! :cheers:
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed them. They take some work, and it's good to be able to share the story.
David
Amazing work WM&F David ! while i'm a stock /& or day two & all mopar guy ! can appreciate the time & skill ... work going into this build ....
thanks for sharing the progress awesome job :2thumbs: :cheers: :popcrn:
Quote from: tan top on June 03, 2020, 02:05:06 PM
Amazing work WM&F David ! while i'm a stock /& or day two & all mopar guy ! can appreciate the time & skill ... work going into this build ....
thanks for sharing the progress awesome job
Thanks man. I know this junk is out of the norm, and appreciate your encouragement. I enjoy restorations and day two builds, and those keep me grounded to maintain the details that are already beautiful in this platform's design.
David
Great videos!