Last week I went to Dwayne's shop (Porter Racing Heads) to dyno the new Big Cube build for my heavy (4100 lb) street/strip Charger aka the "Black Pig". The car is a Tank so it needed to get a new bullet with LOTS of torque to help with the launch & short times. I wanted this to run on pump gas as well because i do drive the car on the street. :icon_smile_big:
Basic combo : 572ci
- World iron block 4.50 bore
- Eagle 4.50 crank & 7.10 h-beams
- Diamond Racing 4.5in custom dished pistons (10.6:1)
- PRH roller cam
- Isky ez-roll lifters
- Harland Sharp 1.5 rockers
- ICH EZ 295's with some Porter Racing Heads valve/chamber/port work
- MP 337 low rise single plane manifold + 1in open spacer
- Quickfuel 1050 Q-series 4150 carb
- MSD pro-billet distributor
- Firecore 50 ignition wires
- NGK plugs
- 2in dyno headers
The plan ; Basicly i was looking for a strong streetable engine that would be quite responsive for street driving, have nice manners and still make respectable power. Dwyane did all that and then some ! The idle is nice and clean @ 1000-1100 rpm and is very responsive to throttle position change.
The Tq curve is impressive ; over 600ftlb from 3500 to just under 6000. The HP is also holding on pretty solidly after 5500 rpm peak only dropping 8hp over 500 rpm @ 6000.
So basicly we have a 700hp/720tq combo that runs fine on pump gas and idles nice and clean. The QF 1050 carb was tested right out of the box (691 hp) so there is more in it....Dwayne figures 700 hp is no problemo.
I have to thank Dwayne and Kudo's are well deserved. This should be a nice upgrade over the old 446 that Dwayne built several years back. For reference that engine made 530hp/525tq and ran a best of 11.68@116 in the 4100lb BP Charger....on pump gas as well.
Here is the first dyno sheet with the MP 337 manifold/1in spacer & quickfuel carb. This is how it will be run in the car with the stock hood. :coolgleamA:
Ron
Just for reference here is a second pull with the ICH 440-2/carb adapter & tweaked 1150 Dominator. The difference in peak power would be ~25hp vs the M1 337/QF 1050. Running this induction package would require a hood scoop and it wouldn't be as nice to drive on the street with reduced throttle reponse. I'll take the 25hp loss and keep it in Stealth mode. :devil:
Ron
Very nice Ron!! That should spin the tires!!! Are you going to give away the old engine now?? Bob
Looks GREAT Ron :2thumbs:
WOW !
You starting a new business relocating Building Foundations ?
KEEERAP !
Quote from: RECHRGD on November 23, 2009, 09:53:15 AM
Very nice Ron!! That should spin the tires!!!
Heck...the old 440 boiled the hides at half throttle....can't imagine what this big dog is gonna do to them :D
Quote from: RECHRGD on November 23, 2009, 09:53:15 AM
Are you going to give away the old engine now?? Bob
Not sure yet what i'm gonna do with that motor. I might install a milder cam and use it in my 70 R/T or just use the top end (heads/intake/carb) and build a 493. I won't be racing that car and want to install a 4spd so it will be a nice cruiser with good street manners. The 70 has cruise control, power brakes, power steering, power windows, 3.23 gears etc...
Ron
Quote from: Challenger340 on November 23, 2009, 10:06:22 AM
Looks GREAT Ron :2thumbs:
WOW !
You starting a new business relocating Building Foundations ?
KEEERAP !
Thanks Bob....it's a torque monster for sure ! :icon_smile_big: Just what you need with a 4100lb raceweight Pig !!! :haha:
The 295 EZ's sure kept the velocity up and brought the Tq peak in early enough to make the car streetable. With the tight lobed roller (110lsa) it has sharp throttle response as well. The Quickfuel 1050 worked pretty nice right out of the box.
Can't wait until spring ! :icon_smile_cool:
Ron
Nice!!
Just curious!! Why did you go with an iron block, when you went with a new one anyway??
thats a nice motor combo :drool5: :coolgleamA:
:cheers:
-Nice.. -No, better than nice, those are Kick A$$ power numbers :2thumbs:
I think its going to be an interesting season 2010. The race for the case of beer is still on... I have to say, I getting a little nervous.. I knew your new engine would make alot of power, but I did not think it would put out that much... But if the time slips run to much in your favour. I have a "killer" camshaft I can use and also bump up the comp a bit higher... Im going to run al season 2010 N/A wont run a nitrous kit before I have completely rebuilt the engine..
I read in another forum that the oil pressure was a little on the low side in the upper rpm range? You should upgrade the internal oil system to an external. I run a dual line oil system with a swing pickup. Used the stock high volume oil pump, and a longer drive shaft.. Found most of the parts on EBay, reused the oil pump I had from my old 440 (just cleaned it) and bought a new bronze drive shaft from a local speed shop.. This oiling system is probably more than Ill ever need...
..why the 10.6:1 comp??? E-85 Baby :icon_smile_big:
/Tom
Thanks for sharing firefighter, that is awesome :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Damn Ron! You post this as I am contemplating on going back to the stock iron intake :rotz:
;)
Quote from: Mefirst on November 23, 2009, 01:10:00 PM
The race for the case of beer is still on... I have to say, I getting a little nervous.. I knew your new engine would make alot of power, but I did not think it would put out that much...
Thanks Tom...it's making really descent power for a pump gas build.
Just got off the phone with Dwayne and the final numbers were ; 721tq @4500/705hp@5800....still making 694hp@6000 :2thumbs:
It's holding on well up top but increased compression and more cam would certainly help ;)
Why the pump gas ? Because i like doing things the hard way ! :haha:
Get to work buddy....there's a case of Beer riding on this :cheers:
Ron
Quote from: NOT Just 6T9 CHGR on November 23, 2009, 01:29:15 PM
Damn Ron! You post this as I am contemplating on going back to the stock iron intake :rotz:
;)
You need to put a tunnel ram on yours and cut a hole in the hood.....no stock manifolds allowed ! :rofl:
Ron
Hey, isn't this the same guy who's been riding me all year for building a torque monster that puts the power on the street :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Great Job Ron, and getting it all in under 6000 RPM with a 110 LSA... Nice work indeed :2thumbs:...
Hell, who needs rear tires anyway :lol:
Mike
Quote from: firefighter3931 on November 23, 2009, 02:08:58 PM
Get to work buddy....there's a case of Beer riding on this :cheers:
Ron
I am :icon_smile_big:
I have been in contact with Dr. Diff about a new rearaxel. The 727 is down and waiting for a rebuild. Found a chassies shop that hopefully will have time to take my car in for a rollbar installation, before season 2010 starts...
/Tom
So what does your little black book say the 705HP will do for the pig? I think that is about a low 10 ET if I remember right for 4100lbs. :eek2:
NICE............... :cheers:
I know somebody that is coming after ya....lol ( nice job Ron ) :2thumbs: ;D
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wow ron!!! insane!! so is your chassis/suspension ready for this explosive engine?
what are you doing with your old engine ? :scratchchin:
Quote from: RECHRGD on November 23, 2009, 09:53:15 AM
Very nice Ron!! That should spin the tires!!! Are you going to give away the old engine now?? Bob
Bob, the intention is NOT to spin the tires :nana: :lol: evan though it might be possible with the torque
numbers this engine is putting out :yesnod: :yesnod:
Ron, when you said the next build will be a 572, I did not know you were going to get it done this fast, dude
you made my head spin, good job. So, when does it get slipped into the pig? your probably are doing that right
now, silly me..............
Dan
Hi Dan, how's it going. Did you get flooded out there this weekend?
Ron, could you take some pics of your car and putting the engine in after? thanks, Nate
Quote from: SeattleChargerDog on November 23, 2009, 10:13:25 PM
Hi Dan, how's it going. Did you get flooded out there this weekend?
Ron, could you take some pics of your car and putting the engine in after? thanks, Nate
Hey Nate
Pretty good, did you see my wife's car in the General Charger section?
Dan
S-s-s-s-ssssseven-hundred twenty+ lbs of torque on pump gas?? Oof! I'm just saking thinking about it.
Damn, Ron! That's awesome!!! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Awesome numbers Ron!
Are you planning on putting more cage in the car?
:drool5: WHooly mother of... :popcrn: :drool5: :2thumbs:
I missed this thread, WOW RON, NICE very NICE :drool5:
Very nice numbers, should be a beast on the street :coolgleamA:
Phenomenal build, your at or almost at cup car power on pump gas :o .... :2thumbs: Just think if it was in an A body :scratchchin:
Ron,
AWESOME!!!! I cant wait to see the black pig race with the new engine.
Quote from: greenpigs on November 23, 2009, 04:50:47 PM
So what does your little black book say the 705HP will do for the pig? I think that is about a 9.90 ET if I remember right for 4100lbs. :eek2:
I predict Rons "Pig" will run in the mid 10 sec IF he can get the rear tires to hook...
/Tom
Quote from: TexasStroker on November 24, 2009, 12:32:55 AM
Very nice numbers, should be a beast on the street :coolgleamA:
I think it qualifies as a beast pretty much anywhere you take it :smilielol:
Think of all those poor little rice rockets out there on the streets, with their scoops and spoilers and nitrous injection, shaking and quivering in fear as the black beast of the north descends upon them. With massive torque, it grinds their bones under the rear tires until all that is left is a wake of discarded frenzy. :lol:
Quote from: suntech on November 23, 2009, 10:26:57 AM
Nice!!
Just curious!! Why did you go with an iron block, when you went with a new one anyway??
Cost mainly....the aluminum block is allmost double by the time all the machinework is factored in. This isn't a serious racecar so i didn't see the need to spend an extra 3k on an aluminum block....that money went towards the top end package (Indy Heads) because that's where the real power is made. ;)
Ron
Quote from: Musicman on November 23, 2009, 02:24:54 PM
Hey, isn't this the same guy who's been riding me all year for building a torque monster that puts the power on the street :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Look who's bustin my chops.....ha ha ! :lol:
Mike, the reality is that these Cars are heavy and need lots of torque to launch effectively. The big stroke just allows you to make power at a reasonable rpm level so you don't have to beat it to death. Most guys get caught up in the horsepower number and loose sight of the big picture. Torque rules....end of story. :icon_smile_big:
Ron
Quote from: firefighter3931 on November 24, 2009, 07:42:51 AM
Look who's bustin my chops.....ha ha ! :lol:
Mike, the reality is that these Cars are heavy and need lots of torque to launch effectively. The big stroke just allows you to make power at a reasonable rpm level so you don't have to beat it to death. Most guys get caught up in the horsepower number and loose sight of the big picture. Torque rules....end of story. :icon_smile_big:
Ron
I couldn't have said it better myself :2thumbs:
Quote from: 8WHEELER on November 23, 2009, 10:04:30 PM
Quote from: RECHRGD on November 23, 2009, 09:53:15 AM
Very nice Ron!! That should spin the tires!!! Are you going to give away the old engine now?? Bob
Bob, the intention is NOT to spin the tires :nana: :lol: evan though it might be possible with the torque
numbers this engine is putting out :yesnod: :yesnod:
Ron, when you said the next build will be a 572, I did not know you were going to get it done this fast, dude
you made my head spin, good job. So, when does it get slipped into the pig? your probably are doing that right
now, silly me..............
Dan
Hey Dan, thanks ! This build has been in the works for some time....it just came together in the last few weeks when things slowed down at Dwayne's shop. Lots of upgrades need to be made before this engine slides between the fenders so it'll be spring before the BP hits the street/strip with newfound power. :icon_smile_cool:
Ron
Quote from: R2 on November 23, 2009, 07:15:09 PM
NICE............... :cheers:
I know somebody that is coming after ya....lol ( nice job Ron ) :2thumbs: ;D
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Ahhhh....Mr Clean is gonna give the Black Pig a nice washdown huh ? :D
It'll be a blast when we line them up dude. Maybe this time i won't be looking at your tail lights all the way down the track ! :nana:
I'm sure with Dwayne doing the build and tune on your new bullit it will kick some serious azz.....i still might be seeing some Mr Clean rear bumperz :lol:
Ron
Quote from: SeattleChargerDog on November 23, 2009, 10:13:25 PM
Ron, could you take some pics of your car and putting the engine in after? thanks, Nate
Will do Nate :yesnod:
Quote from: FLG on November 24, 2009, 12:57:11 AM
Ron,
AWESOME!!!! I cant wait to see the black pig race with the new engine.
Thanks Frank ! Should be lots of fun next season ! :icon_smile_cool:
Quote from: The70RT on November 24, 2009, 12:39:42 AM
Phenomenal build, your at or almost at cup car power on pump gas :o .... :2thumbs: Just think if it was in an A body :scratchchin:
I know...an a-body would fly with this engine ! :drool5:
Quote from: Blown70 on November 24, 2009, 12:24:37 AM
:drool5: WHooly mother of... :popcrn: :drool5: :2thumbs:
I missed this thread, WOW RON, NICE very NICE :drool5:
Is this giving you any ideas Tom ? :icon_smile_big:
Your heads flow as well as mine ! ;)
Quote from: mopar_nut_440_6 on November 23, 2009, 11:50:28 PM
Awesome numbers Ron!
Are you planning on putting more cage in the car?
Thanks ! No plans for more cage at this point...the 8pt bar will have to do. I'm currently legal to 10.0 so we'll see how fast it goes. :2thumbs:
Quote from: bill440rt on November 23, 2009, 10:49:29 PM
S-s-s-s-ssssseven-hundred twenty+ lbs of torque on pump gas?? Oof! I'm just saking thinking about it.
Damn, Ron! That's awesome!!! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Thanks Bill....it's a lot of torque...should be fun trying to get all that power to the ground. There's no chance it'll hook on the street...but with some Caltraacs and the MT Drag Radials I should be fine at the track. ;D
Ron
Quote from: Musicman on November 24, 2009, 07:00:08 AM
Think of all those poor little rice rockets out there on the streets, with their scoops and spoilers and nitrous injection, shaking and quivering in fear as the black beast of the north descends upon them. With massive torque, it's grinds their bones under the rear tires until all that is left is a wake of discarded frenzy. :lol:
OMG...that is freakin hilarious :smilielol: :bow:
Mike, you missed your calling....you should be a writer for some car magazine. ;D
Ron
Looks like an awesome setup Ron! Have fun with it.
Mine already starts to feel slow if I see those numbers and I havn't even started it yet. :eek2: Congrats Ron. :cheers:
Per
congrats on your motor ron! that is alot of torque for a pump gas motor.wait until you feel that broad,long torque.i think that is the best thing about theese big motors,especialy with our heavy cars.my experence with a high,broad torque motor is,it does'nt matter when you hit the gas or what gear you are in,it makes power.you will notice also that it NEVER stops pulling.it pulls as hard in low gears as it does in the higher gears.thats where i win most of my races,on the top end.the other car runs out,but mine keeps pulling.
your car should be VERY streetable.i bet it will be very reliable too.you just dont have to work it hard to make the power. with a little more cam,i bet there is an easy 75 plus more horse power.what i've seen with mine is,when you give it more of what it wants,it really responds.are you going to chassis dyno it?i think the exhaust and pipes in the car changes the AFR.when i did mine,i picked up another 25 hp.all i did was go down one jet size at all corners,and it responded.
my dyno for my 500" did not go as well.it droped an exhaust valve.messed up the head,tore up the bore,broke a hole in the piston :rotz:.i dont know what happend.it,s at the shop now being fixed. new pistons,resleeve block,new valves,new pushrods,ect....congrats again on your build,your going to love it. :2thumbs:
ron, i see your going to use the 337 manifold.that is what i've been using also.it sure is nice to close the stock hood.i see your not giving up much to use it ,thats awesome.can you post the curves when you get a chance? i would really like to see the under the curve profiles.again, awesome build :drool5:
So Ron, have you given any thought to a possible gear change now that you have all of this torque to play with? :popcrn:
Quote from: oldschool on November 24, 2009, 05:46:20 PM
ron, i see your going to use the 337 manifold.that is what i've been using also.it sure is nice to close the stock hood.i see your not giving up much to use it ,thats awesome.can you post the curves when you get a chance? i would really like to see the under the curve profiles.again, awesome build :drool5:
Thanks Brian :2thumbs:
The first sheet i posted on this thread is the 337 with a 1in spacer and quickfuel 1050 carb. Is there something else you want to see ?
Ron
Quote from: Musicman on November 24, 2009, 06:18:15 PM
So Ron, have you given any thought to a possible gear change now that you have all of this torque to play with? :popcrn:
Mike, the BP has a 4.10 gearset but i also run a tall 29.5in tire. I'm gonna try that combination and see how it runs....most likely i'll keep it but we'll see !
Ron
Quote from: firefighter3931 on November 24, 2009, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: oldschool on November 24, 2009, 05:46:20 PM
ron, i see your going to use the 337 manifold.that is what i've been using also.it sure is nice to close the stock hood.i see your not giving up much to use it ,thats awesome.can you post the curves when you get a chance? i would really like to see the under the curve profiles.again, awesome build :drool5:
Thanks Brian :2thumbs:
The first sheet i posted on this thread is the 337 with a 1in spacer and quickfuel 1050 carb. Is there something else you want to see ?
Ron
was wondering about the dualplane and 337 dyno sheets.do you have the sheets with the curves on them? how about the averages between the two? i use a 4.10 dana with mine also,with a 28" tire.can smoke the tires at 60 miles per hour! :icon_smile_big:
ron, did you see my post on page 2 about my dyno disaster? i'm still bummed about it :'(
Quote from: oldschool on November 24, 2009, 05:34:04 PM
my dyno for my 500" did not go as well.it droped an exhaust valve.messed up the head,tore up the bore,broke a hole in the piston :rotz:.i dont know what happend.it,s at the shop now being fixed. new pistons,resleeve block,new valves,new pushrods,ect....congrats again on your build,your going to love it. :2thumbs:
Ah Crap....sorry to hear that Brian ! :P Was this an aftermarket block ? Did the valvelock fail or pull through the retainer ? Sucks either way !
Quote from: oldschool on November 24, 2009, 11:12:25 PM
Quote from: firefighter3931 on November 24, 2009, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: oldschool on November 24, 2009, 05:46:20 PM
ron, i see your going to use the 337 manifold.that is what i've been using also.it sure is nice to close the stock hood.i see your not giving up much to use it ,thats awesome.can you post the curves when you get a chance? i would really like to see the under the curve profiles.again, awesome build :drool5:
Thanks Brian :2thumbs:
The first sheet i posted on this thread is the 337 with a 1in spacer and quickfuel 1050 carb. Is there something else you want to see ?
Ron
was wondering about the dualplane and 337 dyno sheets.do you have the sheets with the curves on them? how about the averages between the two? i use a 4.10 dana with mine also,with a 28" tire.can smoke the tires at 60 miles per hour! :icon_smile_big:
Brian, I don't have the ICH dual plane sheets yet. I'll post them up when Dwayne sends them out. He liked the 337 better and felt it had stronger throttle response. The runners on the Indy DP are larger so there's less velocity which most likely accounts for the difference in the way they perform when compared to each other. :scratchchin:
Ron
I bet you have the itch Ron to take it to the track, excellent combo :2thumbs:
ron, it is a stock block.found out today,not enough piston to valve clearence.all the exhaust valves hit.the intakes were ok.the machine shop accepted the blame.i'm buying all parts and they do the rest.
Quote from: oldschool on November 25, 2009, 12:34:34 PM
ron, it is a stock block.found out today,not enough piston to valve clearence.all the exhaust valves hit.the intakes were ok.the machine shop accepted the blame.i'm buying all parts and they do the rest.
Geez.....i'm going to guess that the assembly guy didn't measure the PV clearance ? If i remember correctly you were upgrading to a 1.7 rocker, correct ?
If that's the case then they should be responsible. Hopefully you have enough valvespring to keep things stable. The 1.7 rocker ratio will require some type of spring upgrade or it'll go into valve float. :Twocents:
I guess the PV check will determine if it's a total lift issue or not. If there is more than .100 PV clearance the problem might lie elsewhere (not enough valvespring)
I'll be interested to hear the final outcome. :scratchchin: Keep your head up buddy ! :pity:
Ron
oldschool,
Think thats the best news you can get in a situation like that. If it was just a fluke you would be out big time, but they messed up and should (and it seems) are going to pay for their mistake.
Quote from: firefighter3931 on November 25, 2009, 01:01:01 PM
Quote from: oldschool on November 25, 2009, 12:34:34 PM
ron, it is a stock block.found out today,not enough piston to valve clearence.all the exhaust valves hit.the intakes were ok.the machine shop accepted the blame.i'm buying all parts and they do the rest.
Geez.....i'm going to guess that the assembly guy didn't measure the PV clearance ? If i remember correctly you were upgrading to a 1.7 rocker, correct ?
If that's the case then they should be responsible. Hopefully you have enough valvespring to keep things stable. The 1.7 rocker ratio will require some type of spring upgrade or it'll go into valve float. :Twocents:
I guess the PV check will determine if it's a total lift issue or not. If there is more than .100 PV clearance the problem might lie elsewhere (not enough valvespring)
I'll be interested to hear the final outcome. :scratchchin: Keep your head up buddy ! :pity:
Ron
they said they measured it with clay.i dont know how they would have missed it tho.i dont think they used clay.i think they used a dial indicator,and was off a little.i am using 1.7,s with a solid roller cam.things can get close in a hurry.i did upgrade the valvesprings.i use k motion 950,s.they are good to .750".i'm at .700".the pressures are high enough for this cam. they are: 277# @ 1.950" and 722# @1.250".my new pistons are custom wiseco,s.they WILL have deep valve pockets.the other ones were off the shelf pistons.i thought i could buy one piston and fly cut them,but there was not enough material to cut .090".i'll have it up and on the dyno in about a month. fwiw,before it blew, a part throttle pull netted 568 hp and 601 tq.the dyno broke also.the throttle servo would only pull about 3/4 throttle.it was just a bad day........
Quote from: FLG on November 25, 2009, 01:51:05 PM
oldschool,
Think thats the best news you can get in a situation like that. If it was just a fluke you would be out big time, but they messed up and should (and it seems) are going to pay for their mistake.
they are stand up guys,that i know personaly.i dont think this will ever happen again.the feel really bad.
Wow Brian... I thought I had all the bad luck... Sorry to hear that the Dyno session didn't go as well as planned. At least they are taking caring of everything for you, that's a plus. :yesnod:
My new build hits the dyno later this week, right after the holiday... Nothing personal, but I hope I have better luck than you did... I'm not sure I can take any more bad luck right now :-\
Mike
P.S. Sorry for hijacking your thread here Ron
Quote from: Musicman on November 25, 2009, 04:59:57 PM
Wow Brian... I thought I had all the bad luck... Sorry to hear that the Dyno session didn't go as well as planned. At least they are taking caring of everything for you, that's a plus. :yesnod:
My new build hits the dyno later this week, right after the holiday... Nothing personal, but I hope I have better luck than you did... I'm not sure I can take any more bad luck right now :-\
Mike
P.S. Sorry for hijacking your thread here Ron
thanks mike.yea it sucks when things dont go as planned.good luck with yours.sorry for jacking your thread too ron.
No worries guys....i've hi-jacked a few myself. :lol:
Carry on boyz :2thumbs:
Ron
I may have to get a new plate for my car... to go with the EVIL 68'
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Quote from: firefighter3931 on November 23, 2009, 02:08:58 PM
Just got off the phone with Dwayne and the final numbers were ; 721tq @4500/705hp@5600....still making 694hp@6000 :2thumbs:
Ron
Wow, Ron... Those are very impressive numbers for pump gas. Looks like we're going to have to start calling you the man that "Put the squeal into the pig" :smilielol:
Quote from: R2 on November 26, 2009, 06:16:09 AM
I may have to get a new plate for my car... to go with the EVIL 68'
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That's pretty cool :2thumbs:
Quote from: Musicman on November 24, 2009, 07:00:08 AM
Think of all those poor little rice rockets out there on the streets, with their scoops and spoilers and nitrous injection, shaking and quivering in fear as the black beast of the north descends upon them. With massive torque, it grinds their bones under the rear tires until all that is left is a wake of discarded frenzy. :lol:
Damn, I think I just got a woody. :naughty:
Quote from: R2 on November 26, 2009, 06:16:09 AM
I may have to get a new plate for my car... to go with the EVIL 68'
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Do it Douggie ! :devil:
What a contrast ; Mr Clean & Dr Evil.....Love it ! :bow:
Ron
Quote from: Tilar on November 26, 2009, 09:21:03 AM
Wow, Ron... Those are very impressive numbers for pump gas. Looks like we're going to have to start calling you the man that "Put the squeal into the pig" :smilielol:
Thanks Dave....maybe Pigs can fly :pigsfly: time will tell :lol:
Ron
Here's the best dyno pull with the re-jetted Quickfuel carb and warmed up oil. :2thumbs:
Ron
Nice. How much do you think the spacer helps?
Quote from: The70RT on November 26, 2009, 11:53:10 PM
Nice. How much do you think the spacer helps?
Every engine combination is different, but in this case it was worth ~10hp/ftlbs. I like using them for the heat insulating factor...keeps the carb & fuel cooler. :2thumbs:
Ron
:coolgleamA: thats a nice motor 700 +++ foot pounds :coolgleamA:
A couple of pics ;
(1) shortblock with 34cc Diamond pistons :scope:
(2) On the dyno @ Porter Racing Heads :2thumbs:
Ron
Looks sweet Ron!!!
Cant wait to see it in the beast!
Looks great Ron :drool5:
I like the valve covers :yesnod:... I just put a set of those on my 383, to replace the ones that I stole for the 505 :D
Thanks for posting the pic's :cheers:
Mike
Was the new block you bought stronger or modified than an old stock 440 block? I mean, could this build be done with a stock 60's 70's block? thanks, Nate
what was the $ ballpark? I assume the heads cost mass money, and the pistons prob. cost a lot, huh.
Quote from: SeattleChargerDog on December 04, 2009, 11:57:56 PM
Was the new block you bought stronger or modified than an old stock 440 block? I mean, could this build be done with a stock 60's 70's block? thanks, Nate
what was the $ ballpark? I assume the heads cost mass money, and the pistons prob. cost a lot, huh.
Nate, the block is an aftermarket big bore piece....no way you could punch out a stock block to 4.50inches. These blocks have siamesed cylinder walls and are extra thick. These are capable of handling 2000hp or more ! :coolgleamA:
Everything on a build like this costs big cash....my fun money account is depleted big-time. :P :lol:
I haven't calculated the total but it's over 15k....big reliable power costs a bunch ! :icon_smile_big:
Ron
CONGRATS RON, that is some mega power that will be propelling the Black Pig well into the 10s! :cheers:
Bad ass man! :2thumbs:
Latest updated pic with the Charlie's pan and dual line swinging pickup. :coolgleamA:
Looking forward to next season allready !!! :icon_smile_big:
Big :2thumbs: to Dwayne @ Porter Racing Heads.
Ron
SWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT! :drool5: :drool5:
very nice ron.looks awesome! :drool5:
I've likely missed it somewhere Ron, but what are you doing with the bullet that is in the black Pig now? (and no I'm not offering to buy, just asking)
Ron, Don't really know 'ya, but that's one badass motor for $15K......I've seen as well everybody here, the $20-$30K engines in a crate that don't make that kinda power...Very well done...I'm just glad to hear you say "Because I like to do it the hard way"..Well, I like to do things the hard way as well with stock blocks, iron heads, pump gas, street tires, AND WITHOUT A HEMI, etc....Hats off to 'ya.. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
I dont know how i missed this, but congrats on your new engine, I love it :cheers: . Cant wait to see the time slips. someday ill have mine finished, ill try to keep up with the big pigs :nana:
Ron, I noticed your new profile pic just now and hurried over here...I completely missed this thread. Wow, my first thought after seeing your new pic was "nice looking engine!", then I saw the dyno sheet.. :drool5: So how much were the wheelie bars? ;)
Nice work buddy!! I didn't see the cam specs...mind sharing?
- Doug
She sure does look purdy there Ron :2thumbs:
Quote from: Musicman on January 01, 2010, 09:37:12 AM
She sure does look purdy there Ron :2thumbs:
Make sure to get a 440 source water pump housing for that unit!
Looks great Ron,you should be having lots of fun next year. (well this year!)
Thanks guys....it sure looks nice sitting there on the stand....should look even better between the fenders of the BP :coolgleamA:
We went with the Charlies pan for better oil control....pressure was dropping on the dyno as the engine was loaded and revved up. Not taking any chances with oil starvation. ;)
Quote from: Ghoste on December 30, 2009, 11:59:28 PM
I've likely missed it somewhere Ron, but what are you doing with the bullet that is in the black Pig now? (and no I'm not offering to buy, just asking)
Shawn, the 446 will find it's way into my 70 R/T with a milder cam and most likely a 4spd. Gonna keep the 3.23's out back and make it a cruiser. :icon_smile_cool:
Quote from: Purple440 on December 31, 2009, 06:11:16 PM
Ron, I noticed your new profile pic just now and hurried over here...I completely missed this thread. Wow, my first thought after seeing your new pic was "nice looking engine!", then I saw the dyno sheet.. :drool5: So how much were the wheelie bars? ;)
Nice work buddy!! I didn't see the cam specs...mind sharing?
- Doug
No wheelie bars needed Doug....the BP is too nose heavy to worry about that. :lol: The cam is a custom solid roller that Dwayne specced for this build ; 266/272@.050 & .660 lift with 1.5 rockers
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 01, 2010, 11:03:21 AM
Quote from: Musicman on January 01, 2010, 09:37:12 AM
She sure does look purdy there Ron :2thumbs:
Make sure to get a 440 source water pump housing for that unit!
Looks great Ron,you should be having lots of fun next year. (well this year!)
No worries....that's the Mancini pump & housing that was purchased at Monster Mopar. I did the finger check to make sure the ports in that housing had lots of room to flow coolant....the Mancini sales rep laughed and figured i was molesting his WP housing....I told him what i was doing and why. We both had a good chuckle :lol:
Ron
Ron :cheers:
Engine looks :2thumbs:
One thing though, I see you pre cut and installed the engine oil lines, your gonna hate yourself for doing that. I also have an external oil system on my Hemi and I cut and mounted the oil lines when the engine was bolted to the enginestand.. I had to pull the Hemi out 2 times before I found the best way to mount the oil lines, everything you can and cant imagine will interfere, and I dont even use the stock engine mounts...
Also, the AN bulkhead adaptor fittings in the oil pan WILL drive you insane because how and what ever you do, they WILL start to leak oil :brickwall:
/Tom
Quote from: Mefirst on January 02, 2010, 03:47:19 PM
Also, the AN bulkhead adaptor fittings in the oil pan WILL drive you insane because how and what ever you do, they WILL start leak oil :brickwall:
/Tom
I think it is more of, no matter what YOU did they will leak! Didn't your boyfriend tighten the fittings up enough? :icon_smile_big:
:popcrn:
Quote from: greenpigs on January 02, 2010, 04:02:10 PM
I think it is more of, no matter what YOU did they will leak! Didn't your boyfriend tighten the fittings up enough? :icon_smile_big:
Sorry Pigs, again you speak of things you do not understand or know nothing about.. but being the nice guy I am, Ill explane it to you...
-Those fittings are a P.I.A. if YOU tighten those fittings just a micro fraction to tight, you ll F...k up the Teflon washers and the result is Exxon Valdez... Also the problem is figuring out the hose end connector angle for the hoses running to the oilpump, this is the second time YOU WILL F...k up the adaptor fitting teflon washers, when you screw the 90* hose ends to the bulkhead adaptor fitting and tighten it..
Also you CAN NOT tighten the bulkhead adaptor any more once you bolted the oilpan to the engine because...
A. Oil pan is bolted to the engine block
B. You filled the engine with oil
C. The steering link goes through the oilpan, so even if the engine doesn't have oil in it, you ll have to take appart the steering to be able to drop the oilpan..
Love and Kisses...
/Tom
"Also, the AN bulkhead adaptor fittings in the oil pan WILL drive you insane because how and what ever you do, they WILL start leak oil :brickwall:"
i must just be very lucky.on four cars,some over 10-15 years since rebuild,i have never had an external oil line or fitting leak.i dont even use a teflon washer,i use a steel one......
Quote from: oldschool on January 03, 2010, 09:09:59 AM
i must just be very lucky.on four cars,some over 10-15 years since rebuild,i have never had an external oil line or fitting leak.i dont even use a teflon washer,i use a steel one......
If you say so I belive you, I just dont understand how you did it :shruggy: Ive tried every, and I do mean every single trick to get a good seal.. just cant get it to seal :brickwall:
/Tom
I have no use for Teflon washers either, at least not for sealing applications... I prefer the use of steel "water tight" washers myself.
Quote from: Musicman on January 03, 2010, 10:27:20 AM
I have no use for Teflon washers either, at least not for sealing applications... I prefer the use of steel "water tight" washers myself.
Weird part is that the bulkhead adaptor fittings in my fuel cell dont leak at al, same teflon washers, no headaches what so ever... I just cant get it into my head why I cant get the stupid oil pan fittings to seal, principal is the same after al...
Sorry to high jack your thread Ron....
/Tom
Tom ; If you're having leak problems on your oilpan order a set of the DMI washers....these work fantastic. See link below and scroll to the bottom of the page for the part number :scope:
http://www.dotymi.com/Automotive_Home.htm
As for the oil pump fittings ; the Milodon cover i'm using is designed for stock motor mounts. Here's a pic with the driver side mount bolted up and a header. It will bolt into the K-frame no problemo ;)
Ron
:cheers: Ron
You are using the "same" Milodon cover Im using, the pump itself is a Melling HV piece.
This is the first version of how I did the oil lines, did not work at al.. (Sorry about the bad picture quality)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a225/Gimmegimmies/Engine/SP_A088.jpeg.jpg)
Thanks for the link, I will have to adress the oilpan bulkhead adaptor leakage when I pull the engine out. Right now I just band aided the problem, I have rolled some oil absorbing mat around the bulkhead adaptors...
/Tom
Badass Ron....simply badass. Not only does the engine play the part but it also looks the part too :drool5: I'm sending you a PM with a couple of engine questions. :cheers:
Quote from: Mefirst on January 04, 2010, 02:14:17 AM
:cheers: Ron
You are using the "same" Milodon cover Im using, the pump itself is a Melling HV piece.
This is the first version of how I did the oil lines, did not work at al.. (Sorry about the bad picture quality)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a225/Gimmegimmies/Engine/SP_A088.jpeg.jpg)
Thanks for the link, I will have to adress the oilpan bulkhead adaptor leakage when I pull the engine out. Right now I just band aided the problem, I have rolled some oil absorbing mat around the bulkhead adaptors...
/Tom
Tom ; Milodon makes 2 different covers....one for motor mounts and one for engine plate. Mine is for motor mounts and yours is for the plate/elephant ears. The difference is where the oil feed line enters the plate....yours is in the rear while mine enters the side. :yesnod:
I'm guessing you allready went with a plate so it's a non issue for you at this point ? :scratchchin:
For sure get the DMI washer kit for the AN lines....these are a popular item with all the race guys who run an external line system. The kit was ~ $12 if i remember correctly. I also used their billet fuel pump block off plate as well....nice piece ! :2thumbs:
Ron
:cheers: Ron
-Yes, the oil pump cover I use is the one for motorplate/elephant ears..
...Im gonna order the washer kit from DMI. I also like their low mount alternator bracket. Im probably gonna order both :2thumbs:
/Tom
The new bullet is looking good :2thumbs:
Any concern of riping the mounts off the block?
Wow Ron! Very nicely done!
Andy