I am gonna go look at a 1974 fury four door. It's a one owner car with 88k on the clock. It is really rusted in certain areas, I am interested in parts, owners son said its not restorable, nor desirable to repair the rust. The son said it has a 383 and a 727 auto, but after looking, I can't find that they offered it back then. Can anyone confirm this. If not how do I identify if it's a 440 or 400. He said it was a 2 barrel but would still run good. Has a/c and other parts I could sell. He just doesn't want to deal with it. I'm gonna try to snap some pics of it. But I'm not sure what to offer him either.
Luke
The 360 with a 2-barrel carb was standard on sedans and coupes in '74 on the Fury. If you're lucky it came with the optional 400 which was also offered with a 2-barrel carb. The 440 was only offered with a 4-barrel carb. Either way it should have the 727 tranny.
Looking at NADA the low retail with A/C is $1955. If it is rusted out like you say it is probably worth less. Gives you an idea of what not to offer.
I'm thinking it was a 73'. the back end is all i got to see. the guy and i were talking about work related stuff and i just mentioned the car. but the back looked like this in the pic below. which i believe this would indicate a pre 74 model back bumper. either way, when i go to see it and look under the hood, if the distributor is in front ill know it is a 383, which was offered in 73.
Luke
Definitely a '73.
'73 rear bumper
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k72/draftingmonkey/Auto%20Misc/1973%20Ply%20Fury%20bumper_zps9jiobmli.jpg) (http://s85.photobucket.com/user/draftingmonkey/media/Auto%20Misc/1973%20Ply%20Fury%20bumper_zps9jiobmli.jpg.html)
'74 bumper
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k72/draftingmonkey/Auto%20Misc/1974%20Ply%20Fury%20bumper_zpse900nc9k.jpg) (http://s85.photobucket.com/user/draftingmonkey/media/Auto%20Misc/1974%20Ply%20Fury%20bumper_zpse900nc9k.jpg.html)
There was no 383 in 73. Either 318, 360 or 400 2 or 4bbl was all that was available in a Fury in 73.
1973 Fury available engines at http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipDataBook/1973/73_Fury11.jpg
Quote from: ODZKing on July 31, 2015, 09:12:00 AM
There was no 383 in 73. Either 318, 360 or 400 2 or 4bbl was all that was available in a Fury in 73.
My bad - looks like 383 was last offered in '71. 400 replaced 383 in '72.
thanks for all the help guys. maybe he misspoke on the engine size. he did say 1974, then when i asked what size motor, he said 383. but it might be a 360, and he didn't know for sure. I'm not sure when i will get to take a look at it again, maybe next week. but I'll know for sure when i pop the hood. and i can find the actual year.
Luke
Luke, small block (318/360) distributor in back, big block, (400) distributor in front.
Even with low miles, as old as it is it could have any engine in it.
A 440 will have a flat, horizontal machined pad at the front near the driver's valve cover. A 383 or 400 will not.
Telling the diff btwn a 383 and 400 takes a little more work. The quick way is to look at the harmonic balancer, though this has the slight possibility of slipping you up because the 71 383 2bbl was the only external balanced 383 like the 400. Either way, the 383 and 400 are worth about the same amount as parts so take whatever one it is and be happy.
This year C-body has very few easily sellable parts, so don't pay much!
Quote from: ODZKing on July 31, 2015, 12:50:58 PM
Luke, small block (318/360) distributor in back, big block, (400) distributor in front.
Roger that. :2thumbs:
RallyeMike, thanks for the tip on that.
Luke
Quote from: RallyeMike on July 31, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Even with low miles, as old as it is it could have any engine in it.
A 440 will have a flat, horizontal machined pad at the front near the driver's valve cover. A 383 or 400 will not.
Telling the diff btwn a 383 and 400 takes a little more work. The quick way is to look at the harmonic balancer, though this has the slight possibility of slipping you up because the 71 383 2bbl was the only external balanced 383 like the 400. Either way, the 383 and 400 are worth about the same amount as parts so take whatever one it is and be happy.
This year C-body has very few easily sellable parts, so don't pay much!
383 vs 400. If you can get a mirror or somehow view the casting number that would be the absolute easiest way. 383 casting numbers ended in the 2 series. 2899xxx as I recall. 400 castings would all be either 36 or 40xxxxx. 3698630 if it is a 73-78. Good Luck.
Ok, i can't believe its been this long but i finally got around to talking to this guy about this car again. I have pictures as well. Turns out it has the 400, which is good for me cause i wanted another BB 727 trans, and i dont mind the 400 either. Kind of wish it had a small block so i could use the engine and trans for the '70 Dart i have. Car has 83k on the clock. i just want the engine and trans. So my next question is what else can i either use or sell off this car. Can the wheels be used on my older b body as rollers? what about A/C stuff, bumpers, brake stuff, is there a demand or wanting or 4 door C body parts. let me know what you guys think i can use or sell. The car itself is beyond repair, rust on every panel, and trunk. Should i just register at forcbodiesonly.com
Luke
RUST!? :smilielol:
Where? That would make a nice daily driver here in Wisconsin. From what I can see, there is no major rust anywhere. I only see very little. I'd clean it up real good inside and out, and drive the hell out of it in the summer's here.
Quote from: lukedukem on February 16, 2017, 10:44:44 AM
Ok, i can't believe its been this long but i finally got around to talking to this guy about this car again. I have pictures as well. Turns out it has the 400, which is good for me cause i wanted another BB 727 trans, and i dont mind the 400 either. Kind of wish it had a small block so i could use the engine and trans for the '70 Dart i have.
(snip)
Luke
You can still use the engine and trans for your 70 Dart. Low Deck BB = easier to fit and easier to run exhaust.
Yeah, the guys at for A Bodies only site where telling me that. But I was gonna build the dart for my wife and I was gonna keep it small block. But she can't decide between that and the super bee, so I might throw it in there.
Luke
Dont forget the disc brake setup on the 73 C bodies is the coveted year for swapping disk brakes on all the C bodies 73 on back, so you shouldn't have to hard of a time selling that stuff.
Thanks. I thought the brakes would be an easy sell
Luke
Quote from: Bronzedodge on February 16, 2017, 06:43:52 PM
Quote from: lukedukem on February 16, 2017, 10:44:44 AM
Ok, i can't believe its been this long but i finally got around to talking to this guy about this car again. I have pictures as well. Turns out it has the 400, which is good for me cause i wanted another BB 727 trans, and i dont mind the 400 either. Kind of wish it had a small block so i could use the engine and trans for the '70 Dart i have.
(snip)
Luke
You can still use the engine and trans for your 70 Dart. Low Deck BB = easier to fit and easier to run exhaust.
I have the pistons for the stroke... being low miles maybe will take standard KB215 pistons... which I have new still on the box and for sale :D
Not sure about your area but around here the rolling shell would be worth 5-600 bucks as a demo car .
Could make a 4 dr. Cuda out of it :P
Please make an effort to sell the parts!
people with C bodies don't have tons of repro parts available, like E,most B, and popular A bodies.
In NC, this body was a common police and state patrol car.
Maybe run an ad with one of the police car preservation groups.
Hope you can find her a good home!
Better yet, sell it as a running car and buy the engine/trans you really want.
Quote from: sccachallenger on February 19, 2017, 11:36:09 PM
Please make an effort to sell the parts!
people with C bodies don't have tons of repro parts available, like E,most B, and popular A bodies.
In NC, this body was a common police and state patrol car.
Maybe run an ad with one of the police car preservation groups.
Hope you can find her a good home!
Better yet, sell it as a running car and buy the engine/trans you really want.
I agree with this, or make a smash up demo derby car out of it and have some fun.
Mike
QuoteNot sure about your area but around here the rolling shell would be worth 5-600 bucks as a demo car .
Here's my 73 Fury. Bird poop was not real - it was the paint scheme..... nobody would come near it :lol:
Part it AFTER you have fun with it ;D
Nice!
Quote from: sccachallenger on February 19, 2017, 11:36:09 PM
Please make an effort to sell the parts!
people with C bodies don't have tons of repro parts available, like E,most B, and popular A bodies.
In NC, this body was a common police and state patrol car.
Maybe run an ad with one of the police car preservation groups.
Hope you can find her a good home!
Better yet, sell it as a running car and buy the engine/trans you really want.
I think this is the way i am going. i will be stopping by to see if he will still take 200 for it, i have been to busy to go by, plus i know the car isn't going anywhere. He also has a 90's camaro for sale. he had done the heads and replaced a leaking head gasket. but i am not into those cars.
Luke