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Title: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on November 27, 2012, 10:50:14 PM
Honestly, I'm still in shock about this.

I've been a Mopar nut job since I got my first Charger.  My first encounter with a Wing car was at my first Mopar Nationals show was I was around 18/19.   My brother-in-law and I went and he had to drag me from the entrance where there were a bunch of Superbirds and Daytona's lined up.  I'm still trying to find the photo of me with the cars from the show. :brickwall:

Since I laid eyes on a Wing car, I always thought this is the holy grail of Mopars in my book.  Don't get me wrong, I love and appreciate most Mopars, but for me, a Bird or Daytona is the top.   Since my first Mopar Nationals, I always kept track of them with hopes on day I will get the pleasure to own one.  The closest I came was around 1997 when there was a white Bird in Minneapolis that was in a higher range of a budget.  At this time, I just couldn't come up with the extra cash to get it.   I kept with my Charger and was happy.  :2thumbs:

As years went on, I kept looking, but in early 2000's the prices just went higher and higher and higher.  I had to come to realization that I would never own one of these awesome cars.  In the last 10 years life continued and I was able to find some cool cars which I own today.  My 68 Charger was a hell of a learning experience and was the first Mopar I owned that I have so much sweat equity in.  My Coronet was purchased to "flip" after some work, but the wife loves it and this is "her car".

Since the Wing market has been down for a while,  4 months ago, I left a few PM's for some members here, and talked to some Mopar friends, asking if they ever come across a Wing car that needs some work, I would be very interested and to keep me in mind.   In the last 2 months, I looked at and got information on some C500's, a Daytona, and a few Birds.  As much as I knew I would have to sell my 70 Charger RT, I probably would have to sell my 68 Charger also.  As you know, it's hard enough to sell one car fast with getting a fair price, and add another one is nearly impossible.   As much as I appreciate the C500's, I knew I still wouldn't be completely satisfied based on my dream of getting a Wing car.   The Wing cars I looked at would force me to sell both Chargers, and honestly, I don't think I can ever be Chargerless!  I've owned a Charger for 25 years!!!  :2thumbs:

Well, Rex, a member here found a Bird that was "restored" in 1984 / 1985 and starting to show it's age.  He decided to sell this Bird and another car to get a Bird that didn't need to be restored.   Rex and I have been in contact for close to a month, and the deal was done yesterday!  :cheers: :cheers:

REX, THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT WITH ME AND NOT SELLING TO THE DEALER - YOU HONESTLY MADE MY CAR DREAM COME TRUE!!!  I TRULY APPRECIATE IT. :2thumbs:  I'm looking forward to seeing you at the meets!

When Rex opened his trailer yesterday, I actually started to shake...  I'm still thinking I'm having a dream and when I wake up the car won't be in the garage.

I appreciate all the help that people on the board have provided me and want to thank you even more for all the questions I'm going to have while I start going through the car. :2thumbs:  

Here is the information on the car-

-Michigan car
-440 6 pack 4 speed!
-Originally yellow
-Owned by Kirk Brinks from Grand Rapids from 1984 until this past August
-VIN - RM23VOA172646
-Car is missing the original engine, which was in the owners possession in the 90's and the build sheet.  

If anyone knows anything about this car, PLEASE let me know.  Rex is going to provide me the friend of the family contact information to see if I can get more information.

Here are some pictures-
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/Superbird007.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/Superbird003.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/2012-11-08122622.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/Superbird010.jpg)

Still can't believe I have a Bird in the garage! :2thumbs:




Sin
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: rob-dirt on November 27, 2012, 11:07:35 PM
Congratulations on your purchase   :2thumbs: Drive it and enjoy   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Aero426 on November 27, 2012, 11:22:21 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on November 27, 2012, 10:50:14 PM

Still can't believe I have a Bird in the garage! :2thumbs:


It will take a while to sink in.   But it is a good feeling to know.    Congrats!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Patronus on November 27, 2012, 11:29:13 PM
How many trips out to the garage have you taken tonight?
Congrats, and the end to a long wait.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: skip68 on November 27, 2012, 11:58:18 PM
 :cheers:   That is so cool.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on November 28, 2012, 12:03:44 AM
Quote from: Patronus on November 27, 2012, 11:29:13 PM
How many trips out to the garage have you taken tonight?

Freak'in hilarious!  Just came from the garage!!!  :2thumbs:

Thanks all.......... :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: JB400 on November 28, 2012, 02:28:25 AM
Glad to hear you got your dream car.  Enjoy the ride of a lifetime :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Bob T on November 28, 2012, 02:40:26 AM
Thats a tough one to pull off 1970MM, well done , very pleased for you  :2thumbs:
I'd just about throw my eye teeth in the deal to make it stick too  :lol:

More pics then  :yesnod:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: tan top on November 28, 2012, 04:14:15 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on November 28, 2012, 12:03:44 AM
Quote from: Patronus on November 27, 2012, 11:29:13 PM
How many trips out to the garage have you taken tonight?

Freak'in hilarious!  Just came from the garage!!!  :2thumbs:

Thanks all.......... :cheers:


:o   wow  :dance:  ,   love to see more pictures & stuff  :yesnod: :popcrn:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: FJ5WING on November 28, 2012, 06:08:15 AM
Thats AWESOME!!!! :2thumbs:

congratulations! :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Ghoste on November 28, 2012, 06:22:36 AM
Wow, that is a great story, congratulations!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: moparstuart on November 28, 2012, 07:22:13 AM
awesome news   :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: hemi68charger on November 28, 2012, 07:29:45 AM
Congrad's !!!!  Now, you are the newest AB !!!!  Aero-Bastard.....  :icon_smile_big:

I used to go back and forth to my garage to see it, leave the garage door open so I could see the wing from the kitchen window..... It's a completely different visual experience.....

Well done, she is much cleaner than I envisioned from your texts to me........ Again, well done...... I'm glad you didn't trade me your '70 for my '69.. Both our paths were meant for different destinations and we all now see where yours was intented..  :2thumbs:

Oh yeah, time to change your avatar picture............. But like me, you're probably used to your username.... At least it is universal since both the Charger and 'Bird are '70's..........
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on November 28, 2012, 08:52:52 AM
Thanks guys.   

The car is from the Midwest, thus it has the Midwest factors to it.   The car can definitely be enjoyed while working on it.  The MI owner had some fun with the wiring because it is a mess.   Will get new wiring harnesses as my first project.

First question for the car -  Is a Wing car wiring harness the same as a Charger / Roadrunner?
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 70Sbird on November 28, 2012, 08:58:39 AM
Congrats!
Looks like a great car, welcome to the world of wings!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: hemi68charger on November 28, 2012, 09:13:02 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on November 28, 2012, 08:52:52 AM
...First question for the car -  Is a Wing car wiring harness the same as a Charger / Roadrunner?

Depends on what you're talking about ( which area ). If you have an original-good harness from another '70 Charger/RoadRunnner, you may be able to use this to repair the original-messed-up harness. Now, the headlamp switch of the Bird is going to be like the '68-'69 Charger in the sense it has the vacuum ports and hoses. The '70 model year was all electric. The '70 front end harness would have the side mark lights incorporated along with the front turn signal plugs. Are all the harness hoses or just the engine harness? The engine harness should be the same as any other '70 B-body (except you now have a 6bbl application and hence the coil wires are going to be in a slightly different location possibly and you'll have the additional plug for the idle solenoid).

Have you ever owned a 6bbl before? If not, welcome to another world of difference, especially with that 4-speed behind it..  :icon_smile_big:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Dave Kanofsky on November 28, 2012, 09:27:27 AM
CONGRAT'S MIKE!  The car looks fantastic, I can't wait to see it in person.

It is great to see good things happen to good people.

As for the wiring harness...Bill Evans is the guy to get them from in my experience:
http://www.evanswiring.com/

WING IT!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: hemi68charger on November 28, 2012, 09:55:57 AM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on November 28, 2012, 09:27:27 AM
CONGRAT'S MIKE!  The car looks fantastic, I can't wait to see it in person.

It is great to see good things happen to good people.

As for the wiring harness...Bill Evans is the guy to get them from in my experience:
http://www.evanswiring.com/

WING IT!

One thing I've experience problems would be the engine harnesses with the electronic conversion kit. I had two different friend have problems with them. I would get evan's OEM engine harness and then convert to a Pertronix Ignitor II system with modifications to the ballast resistor (taking out the coil resistor and replacing with appropriate guage straight wire for a 12v in, 12v out feed.)

By the way Mike, I don't think I've ever seen pics of your '68, that's a cool looking car...
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 28, 2012, 10:08:50 AM
I show RM23VOA172646 as FY1  D Whitsel Detriot
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_4685.jpg)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: RIDELIKEHELL on November 28, 2012, 10:50:40 AM
Awesome thread Mike! Congrats again
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 28, 2012, 11:18:03 AM
If a 70 Charger harness is all you had it will work .The 2 wire motor plug out by the bulkhead leave in the car taped up.The other relay wires are  behind left corner of dash tape them up
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 28, 2012, 11:18:22 AM
Congrats of your purchase
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Dave Kanofsky on November 28, 2012, 12:15:28 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 28, 2012, 09:55:57 AM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on November 28, 2012, 09:27:27 AM
I would get evan's OEM engine harness and then convert to a Pertronix Ignitor II system with modifications to the ballast resistor (taking out the coil resistor and replacing with appropriate guage straight wire for a 12v in, 12v out feed.)

X2!  this is what I'm running in my Daytona
:2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Mytur Binsdirti on November 28, 2012, 03:35:06 PM
Good for you. Enjoy!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: hemi68charger on November 28, 2012, 03:43:33 PM
Mike, just noticed those nice pretty tires............................................................................  Nuff said................................................  Get some nice Goodyear Radials........  I had those on my Daytona. Granted, they look great, but ride horrible... Just food for thought, you don't have to order from the menu...

:icon_smile_big:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 68X426 on November 28, 2012, 03:44:51 PM
Merry freaking Superbird Christmas. :2thumbs:


Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on November 28, 2012, 04:24:00 PM
Quote from: 68X426 on November 28, 2012, 03:44:51 PM
Merry freaking Superbird Christmas. :2thumbs:


Why thank you!   I have a big ass bow that is going to be put on it Christmas eve so I can relive the last few days.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on November 28, 2012, 04:26:05 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 28, 2012, 03:43:33 PM
Mike, just noticed those nice pretty tires............................................................................  Nuff said................................................  Get some nice Goodyear Radials........  I had those on my Daytona. Granted, they look great, but ride horrible... Just food for thought, you don't have to order from the menu...

:icon_smile_big:

So far I drove the car from the trailer to the garage.  I'll have to change them at some point.  I know what you mean..... :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: moparchris on November 28, 2012, 04:37:10 PM
Way to go on getting your "bird.  It looks like a really nice car that you can enjoy while you do some things to it.  There is nothing like the first few times you drive a wing car and see those uprights in the mirror.  HAVE FUN :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Someday70 on November 28, 2012, 04:53:22 PM
Sweet!  :2thumbs: Great story, enjoy the holidays!... and don't let that fertilizer spreader fall on the car!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: WINGIN IT on November 28, 2012, 04:54:21 PM
Congrats !  :2thumbs:

I believe there are a couple of previous posts on that bird.
One recently, as it looks the same as in the pics you posted, and another a while back when it was for sale and a member posted the Craig's list ad.  
If I recall a year or 2 back the then long time owner wanted $100K for the car, then recently I think it was advertised for $75K, and he had offers of mid 60s . This was from the friend of the widow that was helping her sell it  - over the summer I think.    
I liked it when it had the white top  , went great with the white decals.
What scared me was the wiring  :o   so I didn't pursue that one any further.

But it sounds like it went to the right owner .  With your kind of enthusiasm it will be top notch in no time !

Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on November 28, 2012, 05:04:14 PM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on November 28, 2012, 04:54:21 PM
Congrats !  :2thumbs:

What scared me was the wiring  :o   so I didn't pursue that one any further.

But it sounds like it went to the right owner .  With your kind of enthusiasm it will be top notch in no time !



Been there, done that.  Yes what the original owner did just amazes me.  I'm sure I'll find more surprises - I'M UP FOR THE CHALLENGE!

I'm very excited as you can see! 
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: GULFGLENY on November 28, 2012, 05:16:54 PM
congrats! :2thumbs: I picked up mine last thanksgiving, and I still go out to the barn and look. :drool5: I looked at buying that car when it first come up for sale, I am about 10 miles north of GR Michigan. I herd the same thing on the engine.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Golden-Arm on November 28, 2012, 05:28:04 PM
i'd pull the battery, and leave it disconnected until you get the wiring sorted. you dont want the bird burnt to a crisp, from an accident.  :Twocents:


*and put a big fire extinguisher in it, for when you do drive.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on November 28, 2012, 05:34:48 PM
Quote from: Golden-Arm on November 28, 2012, 05:28:04 PM
i'd pull the battery, and leave it disconnected until you get the wiring sorted. you dont want the bird burnt to a crisp, from an accident.  :Twocents:


*and put a big fire extinguisher in it, for when you do drive.  :2thumbs:

You know it.  I disconnected it 5 seconds after putting it in the garage.  My bedroom is right above the garage, so I take extra precaution.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Lighthorseman on November 28, 2012, 05:43:52 PM
Congratulations.  What a cool score!   :2thumbs:  :drool5:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1RareBird on November 28, 2012, 05:54:38 PM
Great looking bird!  Have any more pics of it?  Interior, engine compartment, fender tag etc???  Is it still in Michigan?  I live by Ann Arbor and we actually have a handful of birds around here.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on November 28, 2012, 11:29:40 PM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on November 28, 2012, 09:27:27 AM
CONGRAT'S MIKE!  The car looks fantastic, I can't wait to see it in person.

It is great to see good things happen to good people.

As for the wiring harness...Bill Evans is the guy to get them from in my experience:
http://www.evanswiring.com/

WING IT!

Dave, thanks!  Looking forward for your advice! :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: rebby on November 29, 2012, 12:20:17 AM
Fantastic find! I hope to join you as an owner of a wing someday. The Superbird has always been one of my favorite cars. Congrats!!!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on November 29, 2012, 12:26:34 AM
Quote from: rebby on November 29, 2012, 12:20:17 AM
Fantastic find! I hope to join you as an owner of a wing someday. The Superbird has always been one of my favorite cars. Congrats!!!

Thank you.  It's been a dream come true for me. 

Good luck in your search! :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Daytona Guy on November 29, 2012, 01:29:01 AM
Way to go - looks awesome.

Dane
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: n9671x2 on November 29, 2012, 06:16:40 AM
Quote from: GULFGLENY on November 28, 2012, 05:16:54 PM
congrats! :2thumbs: I picked up mine last thanksgiving, and I still go out to the barn and look. :drool5: I looked at buying that car when it first come up for sale, I am about 10 miles north of GR Michigan. I herd the same thing on the engine.

I really don't have any new information for you, but I am also about 10 minutes from where the car was near Grand Rapids (over by Cannonsburg).  Was seen here and there over the years, talked to the guy selling earlier this year but never did go look at it.  Looks alot better already !!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: WINGIN IT on November 29, 2012, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: GULFGLENY on November 28, 2012, 05:16:54 PM
congrats! :2thumbs: I picked up mine last thanksgiving, and I still go out to the barn and look. :drool5: I looked at buying that car when it first come up for sale, I am about 10 miles north of GR Michigan. I herd the same thing on the engine.

Yeah, still ticked about missing yours GULFGLENY, but I guess it all worked out in the end.
Managed to find a winged car. But I don't get to gawk at it in the garage yet, it's still a work in progress   :'(


And I ALWAYS disconnect the battery on all my old cars. Just a habit I got into years ago.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: hotrod98 on November 29, 2012, 04:41:42 PM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on November 29, 2012, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: GULFGLENY on November 28, 2012, 05:16:54 PM
congrats! :2thumbs: I picked up mine last thanksgiving, and I still go out to the barn and look. :drool5: I looked at buying that car when it first come up for sale, I am about 10 miles north of GR Michigan. I herd the same thing on the engine.

Yeah, still ticked about missing yours GULFGLENY, but I guess it all worked out in the end.
Managed to find a winged car. But I don't get to gawk at it in the garage yet, it's still a work in progress   :'(


And I ALWAYS disconnect the battery on all my old cars. Just a habit I got into years ago.


I feel guilty that I get to see your wingcar every day.  Okay, I don't really..lol  It's coming along nicely and soon you'll be able to see it every day.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: WINGIN IT on November 29, 2012, 05:16:47 PM
Quote from: hotrod98 on November 29, 2012, 04:41:42 PM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on November 29, 2012, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: GULFGLENY on November 28, 2012, 05:16:54 PM
congrats! :2thumbs: I picked up mine last thanksgiving, and I still go out to the barn and look. :drool5: I looked at buying that car when it first come up for sale, I am about 10 miles north of GR Michigan. I herd the same thing on the engine.

Yeah, still ticked about missing yours GULFGLENY, but I guess it all worked out in the end.
Managed to find a winged car. But I don't get to gawk at it in the garage yet, it's still a work in progress   :'(


And I ALWAYS disconnect the battery on all my old cars. Just a habit I got into years ago.


I feel guilty that I get to see your wingcar every day.  Okay, I don't really..lol  It's coming along nicely and soon you'll be able to see it every day.
Ha :lol: , no reason to feel guilty Larry, you're working on it, so you guys are working on it so you have the right  ;)

Glad to hear no major issues... so far  ;)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: hitail on November 29, 2012, 07:49:53 PM
 :cheers: Congrats.
Nice talking to you at the MCACN show.
Your car is not the one I was originally thinking of. What you have is MUCH nicer.
I'll keep looking for pictures.

Hitail
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 472 R/T SE on November 30, 2012, 04:18:57 AM
Quote from: 68X426 on November 28, 2012, 03:44:51 PM
Merry freaking Superbird Christmas. :2thumbs:





:iagree:   No kidding.  ;)


Wow, I thought I read some mumblings of your Charger being sold?  Are you selling the '68 too?
May I ask where your '70 went?  It was sorta similar to my old blue car.  That was a nice ride.

For a ride that was restored almost 3 decades ago, da' Bird looks to have held up very well.  Not much aftermarket body panels back then so it appears to have been done right.

What are your plans?  Or should I say are you gonna drive it a summer or two before you paint it the correct color?

I'm sure you're used to people rubber necking & practically drifting into your lane as they gawk at your old Chevys, but owning & driving a wing car is an experience like no other. 
People trying to pull you over.
Speeding up to get in front of you, & then bailing off the road onto the shoulder kicking up gravel so they can get video of you driving by.
Or the ones who drive & take video/pictures all at once.
My favorite (cause I'm not on the road), people driving by your house & spot the wing in the garage & practically hitting parked cars cause they're so mesmerized & we have narrow streets.
Etc., etc.

If you don't like attention, leave it in the garage.  ;)   My ownership lasted less than a year but it was an experience that will never be forgotten.  You thought fueling up was entertaining before...you wait.

Maybe it's cause there just aren't that many wing cars up here.  The only time I've ever seen one on the road was Dane & he lives 60 miles away.  Please, my post isn't meant to brag.  Now that I look back, it's comical.  :lol:

Strap up Mike.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on November 30, 2012, 04:41:48 PM
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on November 30, 2012, 04:18:57 AM
Quote from: 68X426 on November 28, 2012, 03:44:51 PM
Merry freaking Superbird Christmas. :2thumbs:





:iagree:   No kidding.  ;)


Wow, I thought I read some mumblings of your Charger being sold?  Are you selling the '68 too?
May I ask where your '70 went?  It was sorta similar to my old blue car.  That was a nice ride.

For a ride that was restored almost 3 decades ago, da' Bird looks to have held up very well.  Not much aftermarket body panels back then so it appears to have been done right.

What are your plans?  Or should I say are you gonna drive it a summer or two before you paint it the correct color?



68 is staying!  Honestly, after 25 years of owning a Charger, I don't think I couldn't. 

The 70 was purchased by a member in St. Louis! :2thumbs:  Very good guy, and really happy he has it.  A few dealers were hounding me, but honestly, I don't like to work with them.

Plans?  I'm going to clean her up really good (under carriage and engine compartment) / replace the wiring / a little interior work like the gauges and bezels / put some mirrors back on her / head rests / go through the fuel system and DRIVE IT!

It's been sitting for a while and has some shotty work done in 2003 that needs to be fixed.  The has changed a lot in a few months, and will continue.

Can't wait to enjoy it!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 472 R/T SE on November 30, 2012, 05:32:21 PM
I read in the other thread that you sold 2 cars.  Did you sell the Coronet too?  :-\
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on November 30, 2012, 05:43:26 PM
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on November 30, 2012, 05:32:21 PM
I read in the other thread that you sold 2 cars.  Did you sell the Coronet too?  :-\

No.  The wife and kids won't let me.  :pity:

I had an impulse buy a few months ago of a 79 300.  A friend of mine bought it last week.  I needed the money for the Bird anyway.  He's giving the 300 to his 15 year old son for his 16th birthday.  He's a good kid, so I said yes.  I have too many headaches as it is.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 472 R/T SE on November 30, 2012, 07:39:11 PM
You're living life!   :2thumbs:

Besides the fact I was somewhat biased in my love for the '70, my 1st car was a '68 Coronet R/T.

I almost bought a '68 'vert a few years back.  It was weird, I had been talking to the guy about a trade on my '70 A66 Challenger & he up and emailed me one day saying he had a truck in the area & could pick up the Chally.  What??
For whatever reason he ended our discussions after that.  My plan was to trailer my car down there so I could look at it & if I didn't like it go to the MATS.  Oh well.

This is what it looked like & ds photoshopped what it was supposed to look like.  I was bummed.
Or did I tell you all this already??   :-\

Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Beep Beep Dave on November 30, 2012, 10:22:44 PM
Congrats on the purchase...pretty cool 440+6 4-speed Superbird. Sure looks like you have a nice driver on your hands and one day a beautiful FY1 Lemon Twist Bird!

Sure sound like Rex is a ggod guy as well. Seems like everyone is poised to have  a great X-mas :2thumbs:

Dave
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: rnjump on December 01, 2012, 01:29:50 AM
  Sure glad you own the car Mike. It's satisfying seeing it go where it will be cared for and we will all get to watch the progress. Too many people see these cars we admire as a commodity to buy and sell. I hope it holds no surprises. I found an NOS turn signal switch also I will be sending with the other stuff I shorted you in my haste to deliver. The switch has the related wiring with it. Might be a piece you don't need to order. Also forgot to send the lower fuel lines and filter. Dang maybe you should come back and clean this shop to see whats else is yours. 
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on December 01, 2012, 09:10:12 AM
Quote from: rnjump on December 01, 2012, 01:29:50 AM
  Sure glad you own the car Mike. It's satisfying seeing it go where it will be cared for and we will all get to watch the progress. Too many people see these cars we admire as a commodity to buy and sell. I hope it holds no surprises. I found an NOS turn signal switch also I will be sending with the other stuff I shorted you in my haste to deliver. The switch has the related wiring with it. Might be a piece you don't need to order. Also forgot to send the lower fuel lines and filter. Dang maybe you should come back and clean this shop to see whats else is yours. 

Rex, that is actually a good idea!  If you don't mind holding on to the stuff for up to 6 weeks I'll be back in the area with work and will make the extra trip....  Would love to see the car! :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: hotrod98 on December 01, 2012, 11:58:45 AM
My Superbird has gotten way more attention than any of my other mopars ever did. While I get a kick out of all of the attention my bird gets on the highway, it actually gets downright dangerous sometimes. The part I hate the most is when they get right beside you and pace you right when you need to get over to get around a slow moving vehicle. It never fails. I have to slow way down and the gawker accelerates and keeps on going. People are downright inconsiderate sometimes.
Oh, and they want to have a full on conversation with you about your car while doing 80 mph.  ;D
Enjoy...
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on December 01, 2012, 02:50:44 PM
Thanks Dave!  Can't wait to put some miles on her....

Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on December 01, 2012, 02:52:21 PM
Let the work begin.

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/2012-12-01124508.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/2012-12-01124538.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/2012-12-01124520.jpg)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on December 03, 2012, 01:28:08 PM
Anyone have the part number for the exhaust manifolds for a Bird?

I heard that I need to look for a September/October date.  I found the attached on Ebag, but one of them has a early November date.  :shruggy:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NR-1969-1970-1971-Mopar-B-body-Mopar-exhaust-manifolds-383-440-MAGNUM-HP-NICE-/281030913945?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item416ebf6f99&vxp=mtr
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Finn on December 03, 2012, 02:15:06 PM
Wow, I can't believe Ive missed this! Very nice!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Charger-Bodie on December 03, 2012, 07:33:46 PM
Congrats man! Looks like a great car!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: hemi68charger on December 03, 2012, 07:52:29 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on December 01, 2012, 02:52:21 PM
Let the work begin.

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/2012-12-01124508.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/2012-12-01124538.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/2012-12-01124520.jpg)

I would either search initially for good used engine and headlamp harness, then when you restore the car, get the new ones. I found good front headlamp harnesses for the C500 when first got it... You can reassemble the headlamp harnesses vacuum lines over the new used one. If not, then just dive in and get new ones from evans or YearOn'es M&H..........
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on December 04, 2012, 08:13:03 PM
Troy, this is my game plan right now.   :2thumbs:

Apparently, the main owner of the car had a different preception of "new wiring", because some of paperwork that the car came with it said, replaced in 2003 - what did I miss? :eek2:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on December 04, 2012, 08:17:04 PM
This is a worthless post, but I figure I would get it off my chest. :2thumbs:

Today was the day it FINALLY hit me - I HAVE A FREAK'IN WING CAR.  :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

The car has been in the garage for a week and TODAY was the day it finally hit me. 

I am OFFICIALLY MOPAR SATISFIED!  No more buying, or selling. :D :D
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: rebby on December 04, 2012, 08:29:16 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on December 04, 2012, 08:17:04 PM
This is a worthless post, but I figure I would get it off my chest. :2thumbs:

Today was the day it FINALLY hit me - I HAVE A FREAK'IN WING CAR.  :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

The car has been in the garage for a week and TODAY was the day it finally hit me. 

:cheers: :2thumbs: :cheers:

Quote
I am OFFICIALLY MOPAR SATISFIED!  No more buying, or selling. :D :D

That won't last.  ::)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 71ChallengeHer on December 04, 2012, 08:30:49 PM
Sorry to see your 70 Plum Crazy Charger go ( I loved that car ) .  But congrats on the Superbird.  :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on December 04, 2012, 08:34:09 PM
Quote from: 71ChallengeHer on December 04, 2012, 08:30:49 PM
Sorry to see your 70 Plum Crazy Charger go ( I loved that car ) .  But congrats on the Superbird.  :cheers:

Thanks Jackie!

Hope your feeling better!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 71ChallengeHer on December 04, 2012, 08:42:45 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on December 04, 2012, 08:34:09 PM
Quote from: 71ChallengeHer on December 04, 2012, 08:30:49 PM
Sorry to see your 70 Plum Crazy Charger go ( I loved that car ) .  But congrats on the Superbird.  :cheers:

Thanks Jackie!

Hope your feeling better!
I'm hanging in there. Thanks for asking.  :cheers:  My buddy got my Challenger out today ( t-shirt weather here ). He took it for a run. Gave me a call so I could hear it run. Damn, I miss driving it.  :pity:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on December 04, 2012, 09:56:49 PM
Quote from: rebby on December 04, 2012, 08:29:16 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on December 04, 2012, 08:17:04 PM

Quote
I am OFFICIALLY MOPAR SATISFIED!  No more buying, or selling. :D :D

That won't last.  ::)

My wife WILL sell my nuts if I do anything else in the next few years.   I can't blame her.   She has been very good with my Mopar addiction.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Nwcharger on December 04, 2012, 11:05:52 PM
Quote from: rebby on December 04, 2012, 08:29:16 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on December 04, 2012, 08:17:04 PM
This is a worthless post, but I figure I would get it off my chest. :2thumbs:

Today was the day it FINALLY hit me - I HAVE A FREAK'IN WING CAR.  :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

The car has been in the garage for a week and TODAY was the day it finally hit me. 

:cheers: :2thumbs: :cheers:

Quote
I am OFFICIALLY MOPAR SATISFIED!  No more buying, or selling. :D :D

That won't last.  ::)


i agree. i thought after i bought my daytona carcass i wouldn't need to buy anymore. then a couple months later i bought my 70 satellite for a bird clone and told myself i dont need another. now im trying to work a deal for a 69 coronet to do an a12 clone. my wife says i have a problem  :RantExplode: but i cant seem to find anything wrong  :scratchchin:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Nwcharger on December 04, 2012, 11:12:25 PM
by the way, congrats on the bird purchace.. it looks great :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1RareBird on December 05, 2012, 01:08:14 PM
So is the car still a Michigan resident or did it leave the state?
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on December 05, 2012, 09:05:09 PM
Quote from: 1RareBird on December 05, 2012, 01:08:14 PM
So is the car still a Michigan resident or did it leave the state?

I live in IL.  :2thumbs:  It will be staying with me until my grave.  :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: rnjump on December 05, 2012, 09:34:22 PM
  Mike, I've been outa town. I want to get some pics to you. Maybe tomorrow
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: TUFCAT on December 06, 2012, 04:54:58 PM
Congrats on the Superbird!  I heard through the grapevine the new owner of your 70 Charger is a member.  He got such a great car!  I'm sure he's as happy as you are and he'll post up soon. 

Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on January 06, 2013, 03:56:27 PM
Guys,

Is this website accurate - does anyone know?

http://brcook.com/id17.html

It is saying my car is #999.  Too bad the paint code isn't that! :yesnod:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Hemi_tyme on January 06, 2013, 04:22:05 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on January 06, 2013, 03:56:27 PM
Guys,

Is this website accurate - does anyone know?

http://brcook.com/id17.html

It is saying my car is #999.  Too bad the paint code isn't that! :yesnod:
Yes, Brennan Cook (aka Arnie Cunningham on this site) is full of great info on Superbird numbers :2thumbs:
He also owns a Superbird he bought when he was 16 if I remember right.
Ken
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Ricomondo on January 06, 2013, 04:46:04 PM
Congrats on your new puchase!
Hope to see the car at some CMC events this year.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 68 CHARGER R/T on January 06, 2013, 06:03:38 PM
Congrats   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: WINGIN IT on January 06, 2013, 06:13:57 PM
As good as you're probably going to find...  :icon_smile_big: :drive:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on January 06, 2013, 06:15:25 PM
Sweet, thanks guys!  Kind of cool - 999.   Just wish it was Petty Blue. :brickwall:

Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 05, 2013, 04:35:19 PM
Worked on the beast last weekend for a few hours, and going to hit it tomorrow again.   :2thumbs:

Going to look at the wiring situation further and also start cleaning up the engine compartment.   Lack of funds is going to put the Bird in line for the full restoration, but still hope to get it completed prior to the Taladega meet in 2014.  For this year, get it "road ready" and get some miles on the old girl.  :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Fred on April 05, 2013, 06:23:56 PM
Just caught this thread.   Congratulations.  :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 05, 2013, 06:34:17 PM
Quote from: Fred on April 05, 2013, 06:23:56 PM
Just caught this thread.   Congratulations.  :cheers:

Thanks! :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 70EK2Bird on April 05, 2013, 09:13:04 PM
Yeah Mike, it is starting to get warm enough to work now here in IL.  :2thumbs:

Replaced the pinion seal in mine last weekend to stop the leak. 

New steering gear box showed up today so I can stop that leaking :)

Old 383 is ready to come out and rebuilt 440 almost ready to go.  Will be cutting it close to our May show, but hope to have everything done.

Can't wait to see your car next to mine.   

Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Fred on April 05, 2013, 10:19:22 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 05, 2013, 06:34:17 PM
Quote from: Fred on April 05, 2013, 06:23:56 PM
Just caught this thread.   Congratulations.  :cheers:

Thanks! :2thumbs:


I'm thinking of changing my red stripes to matt black. Looking at yours, is that grey or black? You wouldn't have a close up pic of yours so that I can get a better look, would you?
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 06, 2013, 06:53:30 AM
Quote from: Fred on April 05, 2013, 10:19:22 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 05, 2013, 06:34:17 PM
Quote from: Fred on April 05, 2013, 06:23:56 PM
Just caught this thread.   Congratulations.  :cheers:

Thanks! :2thumbs:


I'm thinking of changing my red stripes to matt black. Looking at yours, is that grey or black? You wouldn't have a close up pic of yours so that I can get a better look, would you?

Fred, mine is painted and under the clear.  Here are some pictures in the rebuild thread-

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,56485.50.html

The stripe is 50% black paint with 50% metal flake.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 06, 2013, 06:55:27 AM
Quote from: 70EK2Bird on April 05, 2013, 09:13:04 PM
Yeah Mike, it is starting to get warm enough to work now here in IL.  :2thumbs:

Replaced the pinion seal in mine last weekend to stop the leak. 

New steering gear box showed up today so I can stop that leaking :)

Old 383 is ready to come out and rebuilt 440 almost ready to go.  Will be cutting it close to our May show, but hope to have everything done.

Can't wait to see your car next to mine.    :2thumbs:




I am planning on being at the show!  Will be good to meet you....

Keep the progress coming on the car :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 06, 2013, 04:15:55 PM
Well, took the car out today and went through it pretty well.  I decided on plan B which will include pulling the engine going through it, repainting the engine compartment, new wiring throughout, detailing here and there.  The rest of the paint is not bad, so I don't want to go down the full restoration route yet.  Funds are limited right now anyways. 

Here are some pictures of today-
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/56453F08-B78A-4353-9590-FC20D72320CE-334-00000030071DB8B6.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/648223BF-D88F-46EC-BAAA-25CE63C55CFB-334-0000002FF9E2B002.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/E4C22135-3046-4646-B28A-9EACF543A4A6-354-000000334B8D70C6.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/0CD6E5EC-B06D-44B0-897A-EB0731E4BC10-354-00000032D60ECE31.jpg)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 06, 2013, 04:19:00 PM
Haven't traced these wires yet... Wonder what this was for back in the day.

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/D786F772-1188-4515-8FCB-99F6CB23EF96-334-00000030AC57090E.jpg)

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/14FCC128-37A9-48D7-9BD6-2522F0E72228-325-0000002EAA9618B4-1.jpg)

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/D86C8EFB-7909-426B-B1AD-5C9089527A09-334-000000306F2104C5.jpg)

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/0ACB5169-ACA7-4BDC-B472-CD1B443063A0-334-0000002FF0F3F74C.jpg)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Someday70 on April 06, 2013, 08:00:22 PM
 :2thumbs: Nice..... Drive it!!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Beep Beep Dave on April 06, 2013, 08:14:34 PM
Very nice :2thumbs:

Dave
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Fred on April 07, 2013, 12:05:39 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 06, 2013, 06:53:30 AM
Quote from: Fred on April 05, 2013, 10:19:22 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 05, 2013, 06:34:17 PM
Quote from: Fred on April 05, 2013, 06:23:56 PM
Just caught this thread.   Congratulations.  :cheers:

Thanks! :2thumbs:


I'm thinking of changing my red stripes to matt black. Looking at yours, is that grey or black? You wouldn't have a close up pic of yours so that I can get a better look, would you?

Fred, mine is painted and under the clear.  Here are some pictures in the rebuild thread-

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,56485.50.html

The stripe is 50% black paint with 50% metal flake.


Thanks mate. That looks fantastic.  :2thumbs:   Great idea. It never even occurred to me at the time and just as well it didn't or I wouldn't be able to change my mind now lol.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Daytona Guy on April 07, 2013, 12:48:09 AM
A great day for you. congratulations. Lucky guy.

Dane
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: Dave Kanofsky on April 07, 2013, 08:40:16 AM
Sweet!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 472 R/T SE on April 07, 2013, 09:27:36 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 06, 2013, 04:19:00 PM
Haven't traced these wires yet... Wonder what this was for back in the day.

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/D786F772-1188-4515-8FCB-99F6CB23EF96-334-00000030AC57090E.jpg)


Brake light kill switch?


I used to work in crane rental.  I was an oiler (operator apprentice), didn't really want to be an operator.  For $3 less an hour I didn't need the stress.

Anyhoots, the owners' of the company loved to see their cranes all dolled up.  Putting tire shine on & polishing any aluminum was usually enough to convince folks the whole crane was like that.

Although I must say mine always were.


Watch someone's head & eyes sometime at a show when a car pulls up.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 08, 2013, 09:33:04 PM
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on April 07, 2013, 09:27:36 AM

Brake light kill switch?


Could be... I'll look there and report back. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: PlainfieldCharger on April 09, 2013, 07:14:20 AM
That is a beauty :drool5:  Which one to drive will be the hard question. Both of your cars are incredible. Hope to see them is person soon.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: RIDELIKEHELL on April 11, 2013, 10:45:23 AM
Quote from: PlainfieldCharger on April 09, 2013, 07:14:20 AM
That is a beauty :drool5:  Which one to drive will be the hard question. Both of your cars are incredible. Hope to see them is person soon.

I hope to be in Joliet in August guys so we should meet up? What do you think? I will be having Mopar withdrawl as my car will be at home in Canada :lol:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: RIDELIKEHELL on April 11, 2013, 10:45:40 AM
Sure is nice Mike!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: PlainfieldCharger on April 11, 2013, 03:13:59 PM
Mine should be on the road by the end of May...so for sure. Love talking with fellow Mopar brothers :yesnod:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 12, 2013, 01:44:15 PM
Quote from: RIDELIKEHELL on April 11, 2013, 10:45:23 AM
Quote from: PlainfieldCharger on April 09, 2013, 07:14:20 AM
That is a beauty :drool5:  Which one to drive will be the hard question. Both of your cars are incredible. Hope to see them is person soon.

I hope to be in Joliet in August guys so we should meet up? What do you think? I will be having Mopar withdrawl as my car will be at home in Canada :lol:

What are the dates again??   Looks like in August will be at the Nationals since it is dedicated to Wing cars. :2thumbs:  Hope it doesn't overlap.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 12, 2013, 01:44:46 PM
Quote from: PlainfieldCharger on April 11, 2013, 03:13:59 PM
Mine should be on the road by the end of May...so for sure. Love talking with fellow Mopar brothers :yesnod:

Can't wait to see it! :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: RIDELIKEHELL on April 15, 2013, 08:14:15 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 12, 2013, 01:44:46 PM
Quote from: PlainfieldCharger on April 11, 2013, 03:13:59 PM
Mine should be on the road by the end of May...so for sure. Love talking with fellow Mopar brothers :yesnod:

Can't wait to see it! :2thumbs:

Still trying to figure that out Mike....I know it wont be August 17 w/e as MOPARFEST is on here in Ontario....when is Nats? Too lazy to look it up :lol:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: RIDELIKEHELL on April 15, 2013, 06:06:58 PM
nevermind... ;)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 25, 2013, 05:37:53 PM
Just heard some bad news - to me.  My car was owned by man named Kirk (died last year), and a family friend sold it to the member I purchased it from.  I've went through the family friend to get with the wife and try and get some facts about the car - and she wants nothing to do with getting together.  The car has been in the same family since 1985...... My next step is to do a visit to Michigan to some addresses of companies that worked on the car and see if they can offer anything.  What a puzzle......
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: Xenon on April 25, 2013, 06:46:36 PM
Sooo, where is Kirk now....?

Did wife say why she didn't want anything to do with that car...?
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 25, 2013, 07:05:58 PM
Quote from: Xenon on April 25, 2013, 06:46:36 PM
Sooo, where is Kirk now....?

Did wife say why she didn't want anything to do with that car...?


Unfortunately Kirk Banks passed away last year.  From what I gather, Kirk wasn't much into fixing or doing anything to the car and had shops do the work. 

The wife could be still mourning his loss... not sure.

Here is a picture of Kirk with the car for the Michigan members that may have any knowledge of Kirk or the car-

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/8189957-7c00-0.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/8189957-7c00-0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: rnjump on April 25, 2013, 09:09:43 PM
   Mike, It seems like somebody would know something. These cars are too rare to go unnoticed. I would bet since he didn't turn wrenches on the car that the local shops would know what happened to the engine. Good Luck on the search.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: tan top on April 26, 2013, 03:47:41 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 25, 2013, 05:37:53 PM
Just heard some bad news - to me.  My car was owned by man named Kirk (died last year), and a family friend sold it to the member I purchased it from.  I've went through the family friend to get with the wife and try and get some facts about the car - and she wants nothing to do with getting together.  The car has been in the same family since 1985...... My next step is to do a visit to Michigan to some addresses of companies that worked on the car and see if they can offer anything.  What a puzzle......

interesting  stuff  :yesnod:  :popcrn:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: pettybird on April 26, 2013, 09:55:35 AM
wait a year and try again, methinks.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 26, 2013, 12:50:32 PM
Quote from: pettybird on April 26, 2013, 09:55:35 AM
wait a year and try again, methinks.

Yep, I will.   Detective work will continue... :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 26, 2013, 12:51:39 PM
Quote from: rnjump on April 25, 2013, 09:09:43 PM
   Mike, It seems like somebody would know something. These cars are too rare to go unnoticed. I would bet since he didn't turn wrenches on the car that the local shops would know what happened to the engine. Good Luck on the search.

Rex, I agree.  Grand Rapids is a decent size city, but not that big.  Some Mopar guys should have had some conversations with Kirk and might be able to offer some details.  :popcrn:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 29, 2013, 07:43:43 AM
Spent some time on the Bird yesterday :2thumbs:

-De-greasing 43 year old grease and dirt (engine compartment to rear wheels) - Check
-Good wash - Check
-Wax - Check
-Also got my Christmas gift on the car!

Based a recommendation used "Awesome" degreaser from Dollar Store (2 bottles), and then Simple Green.   Came out a lot better than what I thought.  The paint came back to life also.   With how things turned out, I decided that I'm going to get the drivable now, and keep it this way for a year or two before it goes to the original color. :2thumbs:

This week, tear the front of the engine apart, replace the water pump, maybe timing chain, and paint radiator, fan, water pump housing and brackets. :2thumbs:

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/30EDC8F1-2D1C-4CE2-A8A4-7ADC309643D4-13764-00000ABFBA4EBC96.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/30EDC8F1-2D1C-4CE2-A8A4-7ADC309643D4-13764-00000ABFBA4EBC96.jpg.html)

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/F5EAD1EB-B862-4C6B-A6D6-A4805BD4DD76-13764-00000ABFCAC52629.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/F5EAD1EB-B862-4C6B-A6D6-A4805BD4DD76-13764-00000ABFCAC52629.jpg.html)

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/2753D579-7970-4BC7-9835-843A4870AF72-13764-00000ABFC2CBF2F7.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/2753D579-7970-4BC7-9835-843A4870AF72-13764-00000ABFC2CBF2F7.jpg.html)

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/5F6C6E30-B0B0-460D-8F4B-D4E466C0DA3F-13764-00000ABFD2551E8D.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/5F6C6E30-B0B0-460D-8F4B-D4E466C0DA3F-13764-00000ABFD2551E8D.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: hemi68charger on April 29, 2013, 08:09:03 AM
Looking good Mike..
The cleaning, tinkering and improving are always fullfiling projects..
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: moparstuart on April 29, 2013, 08:38:07 AM
there is not to many thinks I really hate  but those stupid spring universal radiator hoses are so ugly   :icon_smile_big:

  Looking good   :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 29, 2013, 09:08:57 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 29, 2013, 08:38:07 AM
there is not to many thinks I really hate  but those stupid spring universal radiator hoses are so ugly   :icon_smile_big:

  Looking good   :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

Stuart, it's coming off in about three days!  Can't stand seeing it anymore also.   :nana:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: moparstuart on April 29, 2013, 09:57:46 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 29, 2013, 09:08:57 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 29, 2013, 08:38:07 AM
there is not to many thinks I really hate  but those stupid spring universal radiator hoses are so ugly   :icon_smile_big:

 Looking good   :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

Stuart, it's coming off in about three days!  Can't stand seeing it anymore also.   :nana:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:  i'm not really a detail guy but those things drive me crazy  for some reason .   I even really liked the white top on it  .
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: hemi68charger on April 29, 2013, 09:59:26 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 29, 2013, 08:38:07 AM
there is not to many thinks I really hate  but those stupid spring universal radiator hoses are so ugly   :icon_smile_big:

  Looking good   :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

We'll all start looking for the proper '70 valve covers for you too.....  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: moparstuart on April 29, 2013, 10:01:00 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 29, 2013, 09:59:26 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 29, 2013, 08:38:07 AM
there is not to many thinks I really hate  but those stupid spring universal radiator hoses are so ugly   :icon_smile_big:

  Looking good   :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

We'll all start looking for the proper '70 valve covers for you too.....  :2thumbs:
doesnt AMD make those now 
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: hemi68charger on April 29, 2013, 10:04:13 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 29, 2013, 10:01:00 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 29, 2013, 09:59:26 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 29, 2013, 08:38:07 AM
there is not to many thinks I really hate  but those stupid spring universal radiator hoses are so ugly   :icon_smile_big:

  Looking good   :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

We'll all start looking for the proper '70 valve covers for you too.....  :2thumbs:
doesnt AMD make those now 

I'm sure. but if we can find good originals.........
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: WINGIN IT on April 29, 2013, 11:29:57 AM
I agree with these guys , looking good man.
Also agree with Stu on the white vinyl top, looked good with the red IMO, and the rad hose, glad it's coming off  ;)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 29, 2013, 12:03:25 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 29, 2013, 09:57:46 AM
 I even really liked the white top on it  .

I washed the car yesterday and noticed a few chips in the paint already.  It may start flaking quicker with some summer heat....
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: rnjump on April 29, 2013, 05:35:12 PM
  Mike, I still have your Dana rear end. It will be here til you need it.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: moparstuart on April 29, 2013, 09:43:01 PM
Quote from: rnjump on April 29, 2013, 05:35:12 PM
 Mike, I still have your Dana rear end. It will be here til you need it.
I will come get it and store it for him and then just give it a little exercise  :icon_smile_big:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 08:01:42 AM
Can you guys tell in this picture if I have the correct hood latch?

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/2753D579-7970-4BC7-9835-843A4870AF72-13764-00000ABFC2CBF2F7.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/2753D579-7970-4BC7-9835-843A4870AF72-13764-00000ABFC2CBF2F7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: moparstuart on April 30, 2013, 09:35:43 AM
 :popcrn:  here is my correct one  and correct spring  , to me it looks longer and straighter then yours ??

Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: moparstuart on April 30, 2013, 09:39:47 AM
 a guy from canada at Indy a couple years ago  had two latches one the correct straight one
and then one the hooked more at the bottom  , maybe a  different c body latch  ?  :shruggy:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: moparstuart on April 30, 2013, 09:42:58 AM
here is a correct daytona latch on a correct no rib daytona hood
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 10:22:47 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 30, 2013, 09:35:43 AM
to me it looks longer and straighter then yours ??

Hey, don't get personal with me Stu.  I have never seen your hatch rod before. :nana: :smilielol:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: moparstuart on April 30, 2013, 10:24:58 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 10:22:47 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 30, 2013, 09:35:43 AM
to me it looks longer and straighter then yours ??

Hey, don't get personal with me Stu.  I have never seen your hatch rod before. :nana: :smilielol:
well come on over   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
what does your latch  look like from the side  ?
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 10:28:56 AM
More pictures-

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/photo-1.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/photo-1.jpg.html)

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/photo.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/photo.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 10:34:34 AM
Stu, I'm asking my original question because either mine is bent, or wrong.  I just have to move it slightly and it hits the hood, thus not moving the latch lever much.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: moparstuart on April 30, 2013, 10:38:36 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 10:34:34 AM
Stu, I'm asking my original question because either mine is bent, or wrong.  I just have to move it slightly and it hits the hood, thus not moving the latch lever much.
yours has a crook to it    :yesnod: :icon_smile_big:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: hemi68charger on April 30, 2013, 10:46:59 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 10:28:56 AM
More pictures-


I'm going through my stuff and find a proper or as-close-as-I-can washer bottle for you Mike......  ;D
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 10:52:03 AM
Let's play a game... What is incorrect on the car - seriously!  I need to correct this stuff eventually.

1 - 6 pack carbs are incorrect - CRAP!
2 - Coolant bottle
3-  Hoses - being changed this week!
4-  Valve covers.....
5-  Wing brackets should be black
6-  Wiper motor

NEXT?  Don't be shy.. :slap:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: moparstuart on April 30, 2013, 10:55:35 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 10:52:03 AM
Let's play a game... What is incorrect on the car - seriously!  I need to correct this stuff eventually.

1 - 6 pack carbs are incorrect - CRAP!
2 - Coolant bottle
3-  Hoses - being changed this week!
4-  Valve covers.....
5-  Wing brackets should be black
6-  Wiper motor

NEXT?  Don't be shy.. :slap:
the loose nut behind the wheel    :nana:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: hemi68charger on April 30, 2013, 10:59:59 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 10:52:03 AM
NEXT?  Don't be shy.. :slap:

1. Ballast resistor
2. paint those eccentric access plates black
3. shroud
4. cooler for the power steering pump if it isn't there
5. not sure about the water pump housing, but you need to get those nipples in there ( Ok Stu, clean thoughts )........ Take the heater core maybe leaks, hence no heater hose?
6. couple of more latch tray-2-nose fasteners....
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: maxwellwedge on April 30, 2013, 11:18:42 AM
Congrats on the new ride - cool car.  :2thumbs:  

Here is an unrestored engine compartment. Probably best to yank the motor to get at the rest of the engine bay.

http://www.moparaction.com/Article/JIMS_BIRD/3B.jpg (http://www.moparaction.com/Article/JIMS_BIRD/3B.jpg)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: moparstuart on April 30, 2013, 11:22:09 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on April 30, 2013, 11:18:42 AM
Congrats on the new ride - cool car.  :2thumbs:  

Here is an unrestored engine compartment. Probably best to yank the motor to get at the rest of the engine bay.

http://www.moparaction.com/Article/JIMS_BIRD/3B.jpg (http://www.moparaction.com/Article/JIMS_BIRD/3B.jpg)
oh now that one so should be my car one day    :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: moparstuart on April 30, 2013, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 30, 2013, 10:59:59 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 10:52:03 AM
NEXT?  Don't be shy.. :slap:

1. Ballast resistor
2. paint those eccentric access plates black
3. shroud
4. cooler for the power steering pump if it isn't there
5. not sure about the water pump housing, but you need to get those nipples in there ( Ok Stu, clean thoughts )........ Take the heater core maybe leaks, hence no heater hose?
6. couple of more latch tray-2-nose fasteners....

you mean a whole different latch tray right 
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 11:27:19 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on April 30, 2013, 11:18:42 AM
Congrats on the new ride - cool car.  :2thumbs:  

Here is an unrestored engine compartment. Probably best to yank the motor to get at the rest of the engine bay.

http://www.moparaction.com/Article/JIMS_BIRD/3B.jpg (http://www.moparaction.com/Article/JIMS_BIRD/3B.jpg)

Great picture - thanks! :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 11:28:42 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 30, 2013, 10:59:59 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 10:52:03 AM
NEXT?  Don't be shy.. :slap:

1. Ballast resistor
2. paint those eccentric access plates black
3. shroud
4. cooler for the power steering pump if it isn't there
5. not sure about the water pump housing, but you need to get those nipples in there ( Ok Stu, clean thoughts )........ Take the heater core maybe leaks, hence no heater hose?
6. couple of more latch tray-2-nose fasteners....


The housing will be checked this week!  Thanks.  Keep them coming...
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: hemi68charger on April 30, 2013, 11:29:38 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 30, 2013, 11:24:13 AM
you mean a whole different latch tray right  

:brickwall:  Duh, yes......
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 11:32:03 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 30, 2013, 11:29:38 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 30, 2013, 11:24:13 AM
you mean a whole different latch tray right  


:brickwall:  Duh, yes......

You think mine is a repo?  I see it doesn't have the access cover part to the left.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: hemi68charger on April 30, 2013, 12:13:57 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 11:32:03 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 30, 2013, 11:29:38 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 30, 2013, 11:24:13 AM
you mean a whole different latch tray right  

:brickwall:  Duh, yes......

You think mine is a repo?  I see it doesn't have the access cover part to the left.
[/quote]

Now that it's been pointed out by Stu. Yes, there should be a squared-shaped hole. Also, I see, what looks to be, a welded seam along the forward and aft bend on the latche tray. I bet it was rusted out and then "repaired".
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 03, 2013, 07:53:45 AM
Guys, who makes the most correct repo hood pins/lanyard set up? 
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: maxwellwedge on May 03, 2013, 08:01:01 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 03, 2013, 07:53:45 AM
Guys, who makes the most correct repo hood pins/lanyard set up? 

Frank Badalson makes the best, most correct ones....hands down
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 03, 2013, 08:45:24 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on May 03, 2013, 08:01:01 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 03, 2013, 07:53:45 AM
Guys, who makes the most correct repo hood pins/lanyard set up? 

Frank Badalson makes the best, most correct ones....hands down

Awesome, thank you!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: maxwellwedge on May 03, 2013, 08:57:44 AM
No problem - Happy to help.

Here is a link to the catalog   http://www.rogergibsonautorestoration.com/catalog.htm (http://www.rogergibsonautorestoration.com/catalog.htm)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: wingcarenvy on May 06, 2013, 12:07:50 AM
Mike, from the bottom of my heart CONGRATS!!!!!!!

I was in line to buy the bird from Rex. He is a stand up guy and sounds like you have a match made in heaven.  :2thumbs:

Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 06, 2013, 07:38:39 AM
Quote from: wingcarenvy on May 06, 2013, 12:07:50 AM
Mike, from the bottom of my heart CONGRATS!!!!!!!

I was in line to buy the bird from Rex. He is a stand up guy and sounds like you have a match made in heaven.  :2thumbs:


Your getting a little personal now - LOL.   It was a stressful time because I had to sell a car to get the Bird.  I'm still amazed that it worked out the way it did.  If you ask Rex when we went for a short spin in it, I told him the trans could have dropped out of the car while driving and I still would have bought it.   :2thumbs:

Yesterday while working on it, I stepped back yet again, and said to myself " I have a freak'in Bird" :2thumbs:   The stun and shock is still with me after 5 months. :2thumbs:

I hope to be driving it in two weeks! :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: Dave Kanofsky on May 06, 2013, 07:45:08 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 06, 2013, 07:38:39 AM
Yesterday while working on it, I stepped back yet again, and said to myself " I have a freak'in Bird" :2thumbs:   The stun and shock is still with me after 5 months. :2thumbs:

I've owned wing cars for 16 years, and I still have that!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: DAY CLONA on May 06, 2013, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 10:52:03 AM
Let's play a game... What is incorrect on the car - seriously!  I need to correct this stuff eventually.

1 - 6 pack carbs are incorrect - CRAP!
2 - Coolant bottle
3-  Hoses - being changed this week!
4-  Valve covers.....
5-  Wing brackets should be black
6-  Wiper motor

NEXT?  Don't be shy.. :slap:


That latchtray looks like it had the center section cut out and replaced, incorrect, probally a rust repair, A Superbird latch tray started life as a Daytona latch tray, the "ears" where cut off, then it's turned 180 degrees, a new hole is punched for the bird latch location, and the Daytona hole is patched...

Mike
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 06, 2013, 09:09:31 AM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 06, 2013, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 10:52:03 AM
Let's play a game... What is incorrect on the car - seriously!  I need to correct this stuff eventually.

1 - 6 pack carbs are incorrect - CRAP!
2 - Coolant bottle
3-  Hoses - being changed this week!
4-  Valve covers.....
5-  Wing brackets should be black
6-  Wiper motor

NEXT?  Don't be shy.. :slap:


That latchtray looks like it had the center section cut out and replaced, incorrect, probally a rust repair, A Superbird latch tray started life as a Daytona latch tray, the "ears" where cut off, then it's turned 180 degrees, a new hole is punched for the bird latch location, and the Daytona hole is patched...

Mike

Mike, thanks.  Is the Janak one close to original?
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: moparstuart on May 06, 2013, 09:23:37 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 06, 2013, 09:09:31 AM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 06, 2013, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 10:52:03 AM
Let's play a game... What is incorrect on the car - seriously!  I need to correct this stuff eventually.

1 - 6 pack carbs are incorrect - CRAP!
2 - Coolant bottle
3-  Hoses - being changed this week!
4-  Valve covers.....
5-  Wing brackets should be black
6-  Wiper motor

NEXT?  Don't be shy.. :slap:


That latchtray looks like it had the center section cut out and replaced, incorrect, probally a rust repair, A Superbird latch tray started life as a Daytona latch tray, the "ears" where cut off, then it's turned 180 degrees, a new hole is punched for the bird latch location, and the Daytona hole is patched...

Mike

Mike, thanks.  Is the Janak one close to original?
janak one is reinforced fiber glass
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 06, 2013, 09:45:45 AM
Stu, does anyone make a metal version?
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: moparstuart on May 06, 2013, 10:06:56 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 06, 2013, 09:45:45 AM
Stu, does anyone make a metal version?
there are a couple different venders   , I know some complain about the fit of Erik Nelson's ?
maybe someone else who has actually used them  will chime in  ? 
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: DAY CLONA on May 06, 2013, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 06, 2013, 09:45:45 AM
Stu, does anyone make a metal version?



your choices for a steel one are: original used/NOS, or Gene Gregory (Alhambra Auto restoration Parts), one pc stamping as original, price varies with Gene depending on his "mood"....$500-$750 (keep in mind Gene is closing up shop), or me, Dayclona Enterprises, $500 all hardware included, mine is .047 steel, but my end rails are added (welded) on to the  one peice center section, the tray is delivered ready for paint...Erik Nelsons tray is .030 thick steel, $500...3 pc construction as well, I have heard issues with it, I don't know if he has retified the situation, I currently know of no others making steel trays



Mike
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: Hemi Runner on May 06, 2013, 04:27:54 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-MOPAR-Superbird-or-Daytona-Latch-tray-for-Nose-cone-/130897867166?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e7a1ef19e&vxp=mtr#ht_291wt_1045 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-MOPAR-Superbird-or-Daytona-Latch-tray-for-Nose-cone-/130897867166?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e7a1ef19e&vxp=mtr#ht_291wt_1045)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: moparstuart on May 06, 2013, 04:50:28 PM
Quote from: Hemi Runner on May 06, 2013, 04:27:54 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-MOPAR-Superbird-or-Daytona-Latch-tray-for-Nose-cone-/130897867166?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e7a1ef19e&vxp=mtr#ht_291wt_1045 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-MOPAR-Superbird-or-Daytona-Latch-tray-for-Nose-cone-/130897867166?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e7a1ef19e&vxp=mtr#ht_291wt_1045)
that would be gene's   ,  I think Mikes sounds like a better deal   :Twocents:
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Post by: Hemi Runner on May 06, 2013, 05:39:26 PM
I looked at those when I picked up my nose from Gean's shop. It's a damned nice piece, (not saying Mike's isn't as I've never seen his)but since mine is a race car rather than a resto, I passed on it. I still need to get all the rest of the head light doors and buckets rounded up and if I could sell my steel nose, I'd have Mike make me a carbon fiber version of it and the headlight buckets. I'd like to have a CF wing as well.
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Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 06, 2013, 06:18:43 PM
Awesome!  Thanks guys.  :2thumbs:

The list is getting higher.......
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Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 07, 2013, 08:47:10 PM
Next question ------

Are the head light buckets supposed to be painted black?  And does the black decal of the nose when installed correctly butt up to the bucket holes with virtually no gap? 

Mine buckets are black on the sides, but were painted red when the nose was painted with the decal on top.

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/DA72C592-17B6-48B8-892B-164A47129A65-354-00000032873DA51B.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/DA72C592-17B6-48B8-892B-164A47129A65-354-00000032873DA51B.jpg.html)
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Post by: hemi68charger on May 07, 2013, 09:54:54 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 07, 2013, 08:47:10 PM
Next question ------

Are the head light buckets supposed to be painted black?  And does the black decal of the nose when installed correctly butt up to the bucket holes with virtually no gap?  

Mine buckets are black on the sides, but were painted red when the nose was painted with the decal on top.



Whew !!!! I was hoping you would ask that... I didn't wanna come out and say it making it sound like I was "putting your car down" Mikey... But yes, there shouldn't be any body color showing.. The exact black I'm not sure of, maybe satin or organosol?
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Post by: DAY CLONA on May 07, 2013, 10:33:45 PM
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Post by: DAY CLONA on May 07, 2013, 10:36:02 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 07, 2013, 10:33:45 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 07, 2013, 08:47:10 PM
Next question ------

Are the head light buckets supposed to be painted black?  And does the black decal of the nose when installed correctly butt up to the bucket holes with virtually no gap?  

Mine buckets are black on the sides, but were painted red when the nose was painted with the decal on top.

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/DA72C592-17B6-48B8-892B-164A47129A65-354-00000032873DA51B.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/DA72C592-17B6-48B8-892B-164A47129A65-354-00000032873DA51B.jpg.html)


You could probably "save" the flaw by carefully taping around the decals and blacking out the headlite doors and exposed nose area, if you decide to remove the decals to do it properly, don't make the mistake of leaving hard tape lines thinking they will be hidden by the decals (another common resto mistake) the black out around the headlite openings on the nose under the deacals must have soft paint edges, either achieved by fading the black out, or by backtaping to achieve a "soft" paint edge that won't show under the decal.....the other "bad" news, either they replaced the fenders, or completely stripped the originals, as the leaded peak that is added to Superbird fenders to transition the fender edge to the cone is not present (althought from the pics the passenger side looks OK), that's why your cone back edge is higher than the fender peak, Bird fenders had a few inches of lead added to the leading fender peak to help transition the cone to fender contour,....your front spoiler looks to be a replacement of the Dave Patik design (PCG) correct in shape, but not angle (nothing you can do about it, other than replacement)...not dissing your car, Nice ride!, flaws the average auto enthusiast would never know or realize,...just stuff us anal wingers make note of :cheers: Don't forget you need to add the "standing bird" to the drivers headlight door

Mike
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Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 07, 2013, 10:49:40 PM
Mike, thanks!  I want to hear the bad, because eventually it will be fixed correctly.  The car is a Midwest car, therefore I'm positive there will be a good amount of surprises along the way. 

I welcome all remarks because this is a learning process for me.  :2thumbs:
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Post by: FJ5WING on May 08, 2013, 07:09:51 AM
I think the right side fender peak is OK, But Im not sure with the blurriness.

They make a decal to fill in for the missing part of the headlight door.

hey Mike, Ive got a PCG front spoiler and had no idea its not the best option....Do you know of a better replacement? Mine is getting painted early next week so I have a small window to find another.
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Post by: moparstuart on May 08, 2013, 10:40:57 AM
Quote from: FJ5WING on May 08, 2013, 07:09:51 AM
I think the right side fender peak is OK, But Im not sure with the blurriness.

They make a decal to fill in for the missing part of the headlight door.

hey Mike, Ive got a PCG front spoiler and had no idea its not the best option....Do you know of a better replacement? Mine is getting painted early next week so I have a small window to find another.
your better off with that angle  ,  it wont scrape in low spots or on parking blocks  ,  keep it
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Post by: 62 Max on May 08, 2013, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 07, 2013, 08:47:10 PM
Next question ------

Are the head light buckets supposed to be painted black?  And does the black decal of the nose when installed correctly butt up to the bucket holes with virtually no gap? 

Mine buckets are black on the sides, but were painted red when the nose was painted with the decal on top.

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/DA72C592-17B6-48B8-892B-164A47129A65-354-00000032873DA51B.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/DA72C592-17B6-48B8-892B-164A47129A65-354-00000032873DA51B.jpg.html)
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Post by: Aero426 on May 08, 2013, 11:28:06 AM
This is a PCG/Dave Patik front spoiler of fairly recent manufacture.  I have had several of these through the years, and do not recall seeing a Patik spoiler that had the wrong angle.   
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Post by: Dave Kanofsky on May 08, 2013, 04:10:42 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on May 08, 2013, 11:28:06 AM
This is a PCG/Dave Patik front spoiler of fairly recent manufacture.  I have had several of these through the years, and do not recall seeing a Patik spoiler that had the wrong angle.   

The angle may be ok, but I think you need to check your front tires...there's no tread left on 'em!   :hah: :hah: :smilielol: :smilielol:
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Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 08, 2013, 05:40:31 PM
Quote from: FJ5WING on May 08, 2013, 07:09:51 AM
I think the right side fender peak is OK, But Im not sure with the blurriness.

They make a decal to fill in for the missing part of the headlight door.

hey Mike, Ive got a PCG front spoiler and had no idea its not the best option....Do you know of a better replacement? Mine is getting painted early next week so I have a small window to find another.

Yep, just checked.  The drivers side definitely is missing the peak pretty bad.  The passenger side is fine.   

Keep the items coming guys.  No matter what you come up with, the car is a keeper! :yesnod:
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Post by: Aero426 on May 08, 2013, 05:53:23 PM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on May 08, 2013, 04:10:42 PM

The angle may be ok, but I think you need to check your front tires...there's no tread left on 'em!   :hah: :hah: :smilielol: :smilielol:

Not so hot in the rain, huh?  :rofl:
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Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 08, 2013, 06:43:55 PM
62 Max,

I think I'll keep mine as/is, like yours, and I'll piss off Troy... :rofl: :rofl:

Troy, don't you know by now, I like being different. :nana:
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Post by: hemi68charger on May 08, 2013, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 08, 2013, 06:43:55 PM
62 Max,

I think I'll keep mine as/is, like yours, and I'll piss off Troy... :rofl: :rofl:

Troy, don't you know by now, I like being different. :nana:


That you are........... Just when I thought there was hope............... But now, I'm starting to get the "hot-rod" bug.......
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Post by: billssuperbird on May 08, 2013, 06:53:45 PM
where can i get center caps like in that old picture for my 500 wheels. :drool5:
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Post by: 62 Max on May 08, 2013, 09:11:07 PM
Quote from: billssuperbird on May 08, 2013, 06:53:45 PM
where can i get center caps like in that old picture for my 500 wheels. :drool5:

Bill,new ones are available.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=Magnum+500+Spinners&_qfkw=1&_mqf=0&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=Magnum+500+Spinners&_sacat=0
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Post by: billssuperbird on May 09, 2013, 05:14:28 AM
Thanks  :2thumbs:
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Post by: billssuperbird on May 09, 2013, 07:46:51 AM
What do you think of the look with the center caps on a superbird. On the 500 wheels. Yes or on.  :shruggy:
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Post by: moparstuart on May 09, 2013, 08:56:44 AM
Quote from: billssuperbird on May 09, 2013, 07:46:51 AM
What do you think of the look with the center caps on a superbird. On the 500 wheels. Yes or on.  :shruggy:
my buddy jim cordell ran them on his white daytona  with the chrome magnum wheels and i loved the look   :Twocents:
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Post by: moparstuart on May 09, 2013, 09:24:51 AM
 :popcrn: :popcrn:
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Post by: moparstuart on May 09, 2013, 09:25:15 AM
 :popcrn: :popcrn:
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Post by: billssuperbird on May 09, 2013, 09:38:20 AM
 :2thumbs: thanks I think I will put them on
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Post by: WINGIN IT on May 09, 2013, 11:38:42 AM
Different, I'm diggin them :2thumbs:

Maybe down the line I'll get some, :scratchchin: :yesnod:
But first objective is to get the car done !
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Post by: moparstuart on May 09, 2013, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on May 09, 2013, 11:38:42 AM
Different, I'm diggin them :2thumbs:

Maybe down the line I'll get some, :scratchchin: :yesnod:
But first objective is to get the car done !
get out the whip
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Post by: 62 Max on May 09, 2013, 02:22:30 PM
Quote from: billssuperbird on May 09, 2013, 09:38:20 AM
:2thumbs: thanks I think I will put them on

Bill,took mine off ten years ago and sold them,put the original rallies on,wish I would have never changed them  :image_294343:
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Post by: DAY CLONA on May 09, 2013, 04:45:52 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on May 08, 2013, 11:28:06 AM
This is a PCG/Dave Patik front spoiler of fairly recent manufacture.  I have had several of these through the years, and do not recall seeing a Patik spoiler that had the wrong angle.   


Doug, I've found that while the Patick spoilers are the correct thickness, and basic shape is correct, along with the correct alloy, that the mounting angle varies on them quite considerably, I've had a few customers send them to me to see it they could be corrected, it's not a simple rebending of the mounting tab, as it effects the "V" formation and how it fits the nose, and has a proper gap,.....the Bird and Tona front spoiler is the same unit

Mike

I'll try to post some pics, as this site is horrible for pic posting
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Post by: DAY CLONA on May 09, 2013, 04:48:53 PM
here's a so called pic of a "factory/original", an unmodified, unrestored car from back in the day
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Post by: DAY CLONA on May 09, 2013, 04:50:11 PM
Here's another view of the front spoiler, on an "original" back in the day unmolested Daytona
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Post by: DAY CLONA on May 09, 2013, 04:55:25 PM
NOW, here's a nice clean shot of Tim Wellborns car that Roger Gibson restored using a Jack McGaughey nose, and a Dave Patik front spoiler,...I know for a fact the parts used, as I had conversations with both Jack and Roger over the phone regarding the sources and uses of parts....Roger was "difficult" to make understand some issues with various parts supplied from various vendors....note the angle
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Post by: DAY CLONA on May 09, 2013, 04:56:47 PM
another view, the extreme angle of the front spoiler makes it appear short in height, although it is the full shape of the factory spoiler
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Post by: DAY CLONA on May 09, 2013, 04:59:27 PM
I'll run a few more cars with know PCG spoilers
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Post by: DAY CLONA on May 09, 2013, 05:00:24 PM
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Post by: DAY CLONA on May 09, 2013, 05:02:12 PM
Let's see what a factory Bird should look like....known factory promo photo
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Post by: DAY CLONA on May 09, 2013, 05:04:05 PM
Here's my spoiler on Brian's car (1HotDaytona)
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Post by: DAY CLONA on May 09, 2013, 05:06:26 PM
.....Here's "Stingray's" car,....very original
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Post by: DAY CLONA on May 09, 2013, 05:29:40 PM
Here's a "good" side shot depicting what the proper profile/angle should be of a Tona or Bird mounted spoiler,...note the front face/edge of the spoiler, not the shadowed backside
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Post by: 62 Max on May 09, 2013, 06:05:50 PM
This one is original to the car.
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Post by: DAY CLONA on May 09, 2013, 06:11:18 PM
IIRC...Larry (Hotrod98} is running one of my spoilers also....
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Post by: remta1 on May 10, 2013, 02:36:29 AM
diggin the bigger front spoiler  :2thumbs:
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Post by: Fred on May 10, 2013, 02:37:44 AM
Quote from: remta1 on May 10, 2013, 02:36:29 AM
diggin the bigger front spoiler  :2thumbs:

:iagree:
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Post by: FJ5WING on May 10, 2013, 07:17:52 AM
Hey Mike...you have any spoilers you can ship out in the next week or so?  :D
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Post by: Dave Kanofsky on May 10, 2013, 07:36:31 AM
WOW, talk about a hi-jacked thread!
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Post by: maxwellwedge on May 10, 2013, 12:47:07 PM
What were we talking about again?  :lol:
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Post by: DAY CLONA on May 10, 2013, 02:47:02 PM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on May 10, 2013, 07:36:31 AM
WOW, talk about a hi-jacked thread!




Just a little "detour"..... :icon_smile_big:
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Post by: DAY CLONA on May 10, 2013, 02:55:54 PM
Quote from: remta1 on May 10, 2013, 02:36:29 AM
diggin the bigger front spoiler  :2thumbs:






Hmmmmm....It's not a "bigger" spoiler,  same factory size, just at the correct angle, the original spoilers were only .040 thick aluminum, so they got bent up pretty bad, if they survived at all on the street, some of the repros on the market vary to much in angle when installed, too forward a rake makes them appear smaller, that was the "excersise" in pics just posted for comparison
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Post by: Hemi Runner on May 10, 2013, 04:59:06 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 09, 2013, 05:00:24 PM
....

Wow, that's extreme, and obvious.
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Post by: hotrod98 on May 10, 2013, 05:25:28 PM
I love the spoiler that Mike made for my bird. Fit perfectly and everything lined right up.
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Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 12, 2013, 09:01:15 AM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on May 10, 2013, 07:36:31 AM
WOW, talk about a hi-jacked thread!

Wow, I'm gone for a while and now 3 people are off my Christmas card list.... WTF! :nana:
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Post by: billssuperbird on May 14, 2013, 07:41:48 PM
62max i got the set you told me about on ebay. for my 500 wheels. i  call him and made him a offer 100.00 he said no. them he put them on line buy now for 100.00+9.95 shipping and i got them  :woohoo: when i get them and put them on i will take a picture and put it on hear to see what every one thinks. :popcrn:   
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Post by: moparstuart on May 14, 2013, 07:54:18 PM
Quote from: billssuperbird on May 14, 2013, 07:41:48 PM
62max i got the set you told me about on ebay. for my 500 wheels. i  call him and made him a offer 100.00 he said no. them he put them on line buy now for 100.00+9.95 shipping and i got them  :woohoo: when i get them and put them on i will take a picture and put it on hear to see what every one thinks. :popcrn:  
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:

  I really like them to  , used a couple cragar ones on my rat rod , radiator cap and spin off gas lid for my moon tank
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Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 15, 2013, 09:50:54 PM
Anyone know the part number for a radio a Superbird is supposed to have?
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Post by: moparstuart on May 16, 2013, 08:41:24 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 15, 2013, 09:50:54 PM
Anyone know the part number for a radio a Superbird is supposed to have?
is yours just an am ?  , if so should look like this one
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Post by: moparstuart on May 16, 2013, 08:45:40 AM
or this one minus the broken face   :icon_smile_big:
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Post by: JB400 on May 16, 2013, 10:18:14 AM
I have one of those that came out of a 70 Satellite 4 dr. if you need it :popcrn:
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Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 16, 2013, 10:30:22 AM
Guys, thanks for the reply. 

How many radios were offered on a Bird?   I'm assuming mine was a AM, but the previous owner had, wait for it.........  BEST BUY install a stereo in the car.  I would have loved to see a Bird show up at Best Buy wanting a radio install......

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Post by: WINGIN IT on May 16, 2013, 10:52:38 AM
I've seen AM /FMs but they are rare on 70s and pricey.

Guess you could order an AM 8-track, never seen a console mounted cassette on a bird, not sure if that option was available yet.
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Post by: 62 Max on May 16, 2013, 11:51:53 AM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on May 16, 2013, 10:52:38 AM
I've seen AM /FMs but they are rare on 70s and pricey.

Guess you could order an AM 8-track, never seen a console mounted cassette on a bird, not sure if that option was available yet.

Fortunately my bird came with one ! ;D
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Post by: moparstuart on May 16, 2013, 12:49:16 PM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on May 16, 2013, 10:52:38 AM
I've seen AM /FMs but they are rare on 70s and pricey.

Guess you could order an AM 8-track, never seen a console mounted cassette on a bird, not sure if that option was available yet.
he would know right off if it was an am/8 track car as it would be a three speaker dash with two raised speaker grills on top of it
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Post by: moparstuart on May 16, 2013, 01:49:14 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 16, 2013, 10:30:22 AM
Guys, thanks for the reply. 

How many radios were offered on a Bird?   I'm assuming mine was a AM, but the previous owner had, wait for it.........  BEST BUY install a stereo in the car.  I would have loved to see a Bird show up at Best Buy wanting a radio install......


you mean like this   :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
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Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 16, 2013, 02:11:34 PM
Is this what you mean.

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/E542327B-CF3F-4C8C-92AD-76AFFDF8BBF4-1568-000001CF7B1DEB4B.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/E542327B-CF3F-4C8C-92AD-76AFFDF8BBF4-1568-000001CF7B1DEB4B.jpg.html)
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Post by: moparstuart on May 16, 2013, 02:23:03 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 16, 2013, 02:11:34 PM
Is this what you mean.

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/E542327B-CF3F-4C8C-92AD-76AFFDF8BBF4-1568-000001CF7B1DEB4B.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/E542327B-CF3F-4C8C-92AD-76AFFDF8BBF4-1568-000001CF7B1DEB4B.jpg.html)
thats the defrost vent  

 a AM/ 8track 3 speaker dash grille will look like this
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Post by: moparstuart on May 16, 2013, 02:29:04 PM
someday i'm going to get around to converting my dash too a three speaker dash
I have all the stuff to do it just havent gotten to it yet    :icon_smile_big:

  and the Am/ 8 track would be a thumb wheel design still in 70 instead of the new style for 70  round knobs on the standard am or am /fm radios

  here is my thread on it  with pictures of all the stuff it takes

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,60797.0.html
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Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 16, 2013, 02:35:30 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on May 16, 2013, 02:29:04 PM
someday i'm going to get around to converting my dash too a three speaker dash
I have all the stuff to do it just havent gotten to it yet    :icon_smile_big:

 and the Am/ 8 track would be a thumb wheel design still in 70 instead of the new style for 70  round knobs on the standard am or am /fm radios

  here is my thread on it  with pictures of all the stuff it takes

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,60797.0.html

As always, thanks.

Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: moparstuart on May 16, 2013, 02:50:21 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 16, 2013, 02:35:30 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on May 16, 2013, 02:29:04 PM
someday i'm going to get around to converting my dash too a three speaker dash
I have all the stuff to do it just havent gotten to it yet    :icon_smile_big:

 and the Am/ 8 track would be a thumb wheel design still in 70 instead of the new style for 70  round knobs on the standard am or am /fm radios

  here is my thread on it  with pictures of all the stuff it takes

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,60797.0.html

As always, thanks.


figures i should make good , after helping the derail   :rofl:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: Dave Kanofsky on May 16, 2013, 03:04:18 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on May 16, 2013, 12:49:16 PMGuess you could order an AM 8-track, never seen a console mounted cassette on a bird, not sure if that option was available yet.
he would know right off if it was an am/8 track car as it would be a three speaker dash with two raised speaker grills on top of it
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Mike -

My Daytona has an 8-track along with the 3 speaker dash, AND a single rear speaker - how's that for Hi-Fi !

You can check it out at MoPower Madness this Sunday  in Wheaton, IL (shameless plug - http://www.chicagolandmopar.com/forum/content.php?131-2013-Chicagoland-Mopar-Club-Events)

:yesnod: ;D ;) :o
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 16, 2013, 03:06:07 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on May 16, 2013, 02:50:21 PM
figures i should make good , after helping the derail   :rofl:

No shit Stuart!  WTF.... :nana:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: moparstuart on May 16, 2013, 03:23:33 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 16, 2013, 03:06:07 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on May 16, 2013, 02:50:21 PM
figures i should make good , after helping the derail   :rofl:

No shit Stuart!  WTF.... :nana:
:nana: :nana: :nana:

   let see what random picture can i post now to get this train off the tracks again

  who likes rat rod and pin up girls 
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: billssuperbird on May 16, 2013, 07:15:18 PM
got my 500 center caps put them on and they look good. i will put pictures on soon. :popcrn:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 18, 2013, 11:43:26 PM
Guys, does anyone make a semi correct trunk mat for a Bird?
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 70moparman on May 19, 2013, 11:16:49 PM
I like pin up girls!!!   :yesnod:  :drool5:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 21, 2013, 12:31:11 PM
Cross my fingers that I'm going to get the car on the road this weekend!  Can't wait!  Need to finish up the front end and change the fuel tank and gas line.  :nana:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: Aero426 on May 21, 2013, 12:34:11 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 18, 2013, 11:43:26 PM
Guys, does anyone make a semi correct trunk mat for a Bird?

This is a much needed part.   All the current reproductions I have seen are not very nice.     
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 21, 2013, 01:08:08 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on May 21, 2013, 12:34:11 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 18, 2013, 11:43:26 PM
Guys, does anyone make a semi correct trunk mat for a Bird?

This is a much needed part.   All the current reproductions I have seen are not very nice.     

Thanks for responding! :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: Aero426 on May 21, 2013, 01:24:03 PM
The closest to a NOS mat is one made by Motor City Originals in the 80's.     The others on the market now are real shiny and just look "bad".   But they are the best available, even though they suck.    

Dave Walden/ECS has spoken about trunk mats being on their radar screen as a future product.    I have not heard a timeline for when or if that will happen.      
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: Aero426 on May 21, 2013, 03:03:33 PM
Here is the pattern you want for a Superbird. 
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: Aero426 on May 21, 2013, 03:05:15 PM
The factory and NOS service part mats have this pattern molded into the back side.  
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 21, 2013, 03:09:31 PM
THANKS DOUG!!!!

I appreciate everyone's help. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 25, 2013, 08:46:58 AM
Well, made some progress the lasts few days - not as much as I liked though.

Changed out the waterpump
Changed out the radiator (painted)
Added a fan shroud
painted fan
Painted water pump housing
Detailed power steering pump and pulley
Cleaned the alternator (can't believe how much dirt and grime was in/on it!)
Passenger mirror installed (near perfect original on Ebay!)
New hoses
New thermostat
New pulleys
New belts

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/19AB876E-3BDA-409A-96E8-5AC0F3563AA9-7553-0000076B06D56B52.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/19AB876E-3BDA-409A-96E8-5AC0F3563AA9-7553-0000076B06D56B52.jpg.html)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/5FA49F69-17D0-402C-BD3B-1358622ADE80-7553-0000076BF0B53497.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/5FA49F69-17D0-402C-BD3B-1358622ADE80-7553-0000076BF0B53497.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 25, 2013, 08:50:16 AM
I went to put the passenger mirror on, and can't believe what I found.  - duct tape bolt contraption to hold one of the two braces for the armrest.  Found this on the drivers side also....

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/0EFB55F5-17A9-41C5-8948-D6EC9DD9B0C8-7553-0000076BBF350CA4.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/0EFB55F5-17A9-41C5-8948-D6EC9DD9B0C8-7553-0000076BBF350CA4.jpg.html)

Anyone have any spare clips?
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 25, 2013, 08:54:56 AM
Questions-

Question 1 - did all Birds come with a remote drivers side mirror?

Question 2 - Would the standard 70 B Body Rally Gauge dash wiring harness be used for a Bird, or would it make sense to get a 68 for the headlights?  I knew the wiring in the engine compartment was jacked, but it's also under the dash.  I'm getting an Evans hardness for the engine, but they don't make the dash one.


As always, thanks guys!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 62 Max on May 25, 2013, 01:55:39 PM
Standard mirror,remote optional.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 25, 2013, 09:39:37 PM
Thanks.  Do you have a standard on yours?  If so, can you post a picture of your upper interior door?
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: hemi68charger on May 25, 2013, 11:39:44 PM
Mike, texted you... If you still need 1 or 2 of those clips for the armrest base, I believe I can help you with that......

Troy
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: wingcarenvy on May 26, 2013, 12:48:02 AM
I heard people have some problems with Evan's harnesses. I bought a harness from Year One (M&H fabricators made) harness and it is really nice, excellent quality.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 62 Max on May 26, 2013, 07:56:30 AM
Quote from: wingcarenvy on May 26, 2013, 12:48:02 AM
I heard people have some problems with Evan's harnesses. I bought a harness from Year One (M&H fabricators made) harness and it is really nice, excellent quality.

And I've heard the same thing about Year One so I guess it's a toss up. :scratchchin:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 62 Max on May 26, 2013, 08:32:33 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 25, 2013, 09:39:37 PM
Thanks.  Do you have a standard on yours?  If so, can you post a picture of your upper interior door?

Standard  mirror.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: moparstuart on May 26, 2013, 08:41:31 AM
Quote from: 62 Max on May 26, 2013, 07:56:30 AM
Quote from: wingcarenvy on May 26, 2013, 12:48:02 AM
I heard people have some problems with Evan's harnesses. I bought a harness from Year One (M&H fabricators made) harness and it is really nice, excellent quality.

And I've heard the same thing about Year One so I guess it's a toss up. :scratchchin:

the 70  ,  70 only dash harness from year one ( M& H ) is aweful , sucks sucks suck , but the 69 harness from year one was fantastic perfect

   
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: DAY CLONA on May 26, 2013, 11:37:14 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on May 26, 2013, 08:41:31 AM
Quote from: 62 Max on May 26, 2013, 07:56:30 AM
Quote from: wingcarenvy on May 26, 2013, 12:48:02 AM
I heard people have some problems with Evan's harnesses. I bought a harness from Year One (M&H fabricators made) harness and it is really nice, excellent quality.

And I've heard the same thing about Year One so I guess it's a toss up. :scratchchin:

the 70  ,  70 only dash harness from year one ( M& H ) is aweful , sucks sucks suck , but the 69 harness from year one was fantastic perfect

   






Hmmm....Interesting?, what was the issue with your "installation" of the 70 MH dash harness?, ....when I restored my 70 Charger, I purchased EVERY harness available from YO(M&H) front to back, top to bottom, including the dash harness (I spent over $1500 in harnesses, I didn't use one piece of original wiring, tossed it all)....on pretest, and actually first run of the car, I didn't have a single issue, 8 yrs later, nothing ever reared it's head electrically, and EVERYTHING works, even the annoying key buzzer

mike
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 26, 2013, 01:54:55 PM
I bought two 68 versions and no problems.  Interesting.....
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 26, 2013, 02:47:37 PM
Quote from: 62 Max on May 26, 2013, 08:32:33 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 25, 2013, 09:39:37 PM
Thanks.  Do you have a standard on yours?  If so, can you post a picture of your upper interior door?

Standard  mirror.

Thanks.  This car gets more interesting as I get into it.  The upper door area does have the hole for a remote mirror, but no hole in the outer door.  There is no code for the remote mirror on the fender tag, so I'll put a standard mirror on it.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 62 Max on May 26, 2013, 03:38:01 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 26, 2013, 02:47:37 PM
Quote from: 62 Max on May 26, 2013, 08:32:33 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 25, 2013, 09:39:37 PM
Thanks.  Do you have a standard on yours?  If so, can you post a picture of your upper interior door?

Standard  mirror.

Thanks.  This car gets more interesting as I get into it.  The upper door area does have the hole for a remote mirror, but no hole in the outer door.  There is no code for the remote mirror on the fender tag, so I'll put a standard mirror on it.

When you are ready to get into the engine compartment let me know,there are a lot of details I can help you with.Also,get rid of the rubber fuel line !! :nono:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: moparstuart on May 26, 2013, 07:54:01 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on May 26, 2013, 11:37:14 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on May 26, 2013, 08:41:31 AM
Quote from: 62 Max on May 26, 2013, 07:56:30 AM
Quote from: wingcarenvy on May 26, 2013, 12:48:02 AM
I heard people have some problems with Evan's harnesses. I bought a harness from Year One (M&H fabricators made) harness and it is really nice, excellent quality.

And I've heard the same thing about Year One so I guess it's a toss up. :scratchchin:

the 70  ,  70 only dash harness from year one ( M& H ) is aweful , sucks sucks suck , but the 69 harness from year one was fantastic perfect

   it literly has 35 extra plugs not needed in a road runner and none of the wires where the correct factory color , it was not plug and play at all
 I have a huge bundle of plugs taped up under there ,   my buddy wayne had the exact same problem with his and had to pay a guy to go in and snip and clip and figure out what went where on his original superbird and 1/2 the gauges are flakely now  






Hmmm....Interesting?, what was the issue with your "installation" of the 70 MH dash harness?, ....when I restored my 70 Charger, I purchased EVERY harness available from YO(M&H) front to back, top to bottom, including the dash harness (I spent over $1500 in harnesses, I didn't use one piece of original wiring, tossed it all)....on pretest, and actually first run of the car, I didn't have a single issue, 8 yrs later, nothing ever reared it's head electrically, and EVERYTHING works, even the annoying key buzzer

mike
it literly has 35 extra plugs not needed in a road runner and none of the wires where the correct factory color , it was not plug and play at all
 I have a huge bundle of plugs taped up under there ,   my buddy wayne had the exact same problem with his and had to pay a guy to go in and snip and clip and figure out what went where on his original superbird and 1/2 the gauges are flakely now
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: FJ5WING on May 26, 2013, 08:57:27 PM
Stuart, it sounds like you got an incorrect harness shipped to you.  :shruggy:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 26, 2013, 09:53:09 PM
Quote from: 62 Max on May 26, 2013, 03:38:01 PM

When you are ready to get into the engine compartment let me know,there are a lot of details I can help you with.Also,get rid of the rubber fuel line.

Max, shoot away!  I hope that future people will look at this thread for knowledge from people like you. :2thumbs:

Issues-
-wiring
-fuel lines
-water bottle
-correct exhaust manifolds
-440 Super Commando pie tin ( will put the 6 pack on it in a few years)
-brake booster and master detailed black

I'll probably pull the engine in fall to do a correct detail,

Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 27, 2013, 12:29:22 PM
Found out the "other" toggle switch in the glove box - It ran from the back of the car, up the engine compartment on the passenger side, to the alternator, as a loop, to the firewall, across to the drivers side firewall, into the car, to the toggle switch - WTF.. :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:  I'm guessing it was for an electronic fuel pump from a while ago.    The other end of the toggle went to the alternator.... :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy: What is the "other" blue wire supposed to be for? See below.

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/014518D2-3E67-49CD-9E35-31351C8C8E01-8375-000008D6EFD04570.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/014518D2-3E67-49CD-9E35-31351C8C8E01-8375-000008D6EFD04570.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: hemi68charger on May 27, 2013, 12:55:53 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 27, 2013, 12:29:22 PM
Found out the "other" toggle switch in the glove box - It ran from the back of the car, up the engine compartment on the passenger side, to the alternator, as a loop, to the firewall, across to the drivers side firewall, into the car, to the toggle switch - WTF.. :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:  

Mike, Dude... If you can afford it, get a new engine wiring harness. If you're going to go to a 6bbl, then get the 6bbl harness........ And when you can get to it, please get the conversion of the amp gauge to voltmeter like I did on the Daytona and my former 500. If you have a spare b-body dash with good circuit board and sacrificial amp gauge, I would send it off then use it to restore your dash. If you didn't want to do the complete silkscreen process, Dave P. sells the gauge decals. They do a great garage-resto....
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: ws23rt on May 27, 2013, 02:50:56 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on December 03, 2012, 01:28:08 PM
Anyone have the part number for the exhaust manifolds for a Bird?

I heard that I need to look for a September/October date.  I found the attached on Ebag, but one of them has a early November date.  :shruggy:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NR-1969-1970-1971-Mopar-B-body-Mopar-exhaust-manifolds-383-440-MAGNUM-HP-NICE-/281030913945?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item416ebf6f99&vxp=mtr

  Hey Mike   I still have the exhaust manifolds from my 70 charger. The drivers side is cast # 2951865-2 and 12-4-69 date. The other one is 2899879 but I am not sure how to date it. (it does have the round counter weight on the heat riser).  Is that december date too late for your car?
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 27, 2013, 02:53:56 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 27, 2013, 12:55:53 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 27, 2013, 12:29:22 PM
Found out the "other" toggle switch in the glove box - It ran from the back of the car, up the engine compartment on the passenger side, to the alternator, as a loop, to the firewall, across to the drivers side firewall, into the car, to the toggle switch - WTF.. :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:  

Mike, Dude... If you can afford it, get a new engine wiring harness. If you're going to go to a 6bbl, then get the 6bbl harness........ And when you can get to it, please get the conversion of the amp gauge to voltmeter like I did on the Daytona and my former 500. If you have a spare b-body dash with good circuit board and sacrificial amp gauge, I would send it off then use it to restore your dash. If you didn't want to do the complete silkscreen process, Dave P. sells the gauge decals. They do a great garage-resto....

Troy, I have an engine harness coming from Evans.  :2thumbs: 

Also have the Petronix ordered today... :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 27, 2013, 02:58:55 PM
Quote from: ws23rt on May 27, 2013, 02:50:56 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on December 03, 2012, 01:28:08 PM
Anyone have the part number for the exhaust manifolds for a Bird?

I heard that I need to look for a September/October date.  I found the attached on Ebag, but one of them has a early November date.  :shruggy:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NR-1969-1970-1971-Mopar-B-body-Mopar-exhaust-manifolds-383-440-MAGNUM-HP-NICE-/281030913945?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item416ebf6f99&vxp=mtr

  Hey Mike   I still have the exhaust manifolds from my 70 charger. The drivers side is cast # 2951865-2 and 12-4-69 date. The other one is 2899879 but I am not sure how to date it. (it does have the round counter weight on the heat riser).  Is that december date too late for your car?

Bruce, September and October dates would be correct for a Bird.  Thanks anyways.  I wound up finding a nice set in December.  On the list of "to do's"..

I would think someone would snag your up right away especially if the heat riser still works. :2thumbs:

Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: ws23rt on May 27, 2013, 03:03:12 PM
You are welcome---They are on my list to list.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: moparstuart on May 28, 2013, 09:43:41 AM
Quote from: FJ5WING on May 26, 2013, 08:57:27 PM
Stuart, it sounds like you got an incorrect harness shipped to you.  :shruggy:
well not acording to m&h  we were on the phone with them 50 times figuring out the stuff we have working in the car now
   wayne got the same harness
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 28, 2013, 08:35:10 PM
I guess I was a little excited and wanted to get the car on the road ASAP.  Well, after spending 25 hours on it the last 4 days, I decided that I need to slow down and do it correctly how I want to, prior to getting it on the road.  The list just got about 3x in size!  :RantExplode:

Just ordered a bunch of parts and am tapped $$ wise.  :brickwall:

Time to put the Bird on the side, get my Charger on the road.  That list isn't done and want to get it close to done.  Pick it up from storage tomorrow. :2thumbs:

I hope to have the Bird on the road by Mopar Nats now.... :eek2:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on August 14, 2013, 08:39:29 PM
Well, I made the decision that the car is going to get restored!  :cheers: :cheers:

The body shop will be ready by July 2014, so I have some time to get it apart and get the pieces I need.

Does anyone know of a media blaster they can recommend in the northern IL area?  Anywhere in the midwest is fine even.   How much does it usually cost?
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: Xenon on August 14, 2013, 09:08:49 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on August 14, 2013, 08:39:29 PM
Does anyone know of a media blaster they can recommend in the northern IL area?  Anywhere in the midwest is fine even.   How much does it usually cost?

There is one in Joliet I have used a few times.. Never a whole body tho...
There is another in Lakemoor (Mchemry) ... Never used them at all....
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on August 14, 2013, 09:25:06 PM
Quote from: Xenon on August 14, 2013, 09:08:49 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on August 14, 2013, 08:39:29 PM
Does anyone know of a media blaster they can recommend in the northern IL area?  Anywhere in the midwest is fine even.   How much does it usually cost?

There is one in Joliet I have used a few times.. Never a whole body tho...
There is another in Lakemoor (Mchemry) ... Never used them at all....

Cool-  do you have names of the places?
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 70EK2Bird on August 15, 2013, 03:22:47 PM
When do you expect it to be completed?  Will you be able to make Talladega next fall?

What made you decide to go for a full restoration now?
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on August 15, 2013, 04:03:51 PM
Quote from: 70EK2Bird on August 15, 2013, 03:22:47 PM
When do you expect it to be completed?  Will you be able to make Talladega next fall?

What made you decide to go for a full restoration now?

Pat, the car will be done for Talladega!  The more I get into this car, the more my decision has been to restore it.  I know I'll have some surprises with the metal, being a high mileage Midwest car, but it will be worth it.  The car just needs it.  The rear frame rails are questionable, engine needs to come out, suspension done, wiring, windshield, trans needs to be rebuilt, new clutch, windshield..... As much as these cars seem to never be done, I want to get it back to it's original color and drive the piss out of it.  If I just keep going on it now, it will be a lot of double work in the future if I restore it.   I just want to strip it down and get it done right.  I've already been buying new parts that I need. :2thumbs:  The plan is to get the car to the body shop by July (when he expects to finish the car in front of mine) and this will give me August and September and part of October to get it back together. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: Dave Kanofsky on August 15, 2013, 04:24:18 PM
That is an ambitious plan Mike, go get 'em!

We are looking for a Gene / John level of photo documentation!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on August 15, 2013, 04:36:33 PM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on August 15, 2013, 04:24:18 PM
That is an ambitious plan Mike, go get 'em!

We are looking for a Gene / John level of photo documentation!

There will be documentation!!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: RIDELIKEHELL on August 15, 2013, 04:42:39 PM
I promise to see it next year Mike when we are in Joliet visiting! Oh and the 68 of course  :rofl:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on August 15, 2013, 07:00:41 PM
Quote from: RIDELIKEHELL on August 15, 2013, 04:42:39 PM
I promise to see it next year Mike when we are in Joliet visiting! Oh and the 68 of course  :rofl:

Marc, the Bird won't be done in August, but I hope that the Charger is.... :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:  Might just sell the damn thing at this point.   :shruggy:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 70EK2Bird on August 15, 2013, 07:55:31 PM
Well good luck and keep the updates coming. 

Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on August 17, 2013, 09:13:12 AM
Thanks Pat.

Yesterday, I drove the car about 20 miles to the storage location (Friends business), car ran ok, but did confirm the clutch and trans are bad.  The cooling system work I did in Spring is good to go though :2thumbs:.   Ran a cool 170 with the mechanical fan new Midlodon water pump and fan shroud.  The weather was about 80 only.  Traffic was a crawl for 10 miles, 2 miles lucky to be going 2 MPH.  Ran up to 190, but not higher.

Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: tan top on August 17, 2013, 02:24:41 PM
 :drool5:   good mini video , thanks for the cruse  :yesnod: :2thumbs: 
:popcrn:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: PlainfieldCharger on August 18, 2013, 03:46:01 PM
Thanks for the ride!! ;) :drool5:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: RIDELIKEHELL on August 20, 2013, 07:58:54 AM
 :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: FJ5WING on August 20, 2013, 10:32:57 AM
Thanks for the ride!

I haven't driven my car in close to ten years....I  really miss that center peak and fender scoops. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: hemi68charger on August 21, 2013, 08:07:18 AM
Looking Good Mike..................  :2thumbs:

You are planning on having it for the 2014 Talladega Meet, no? I read you wanted to restore her....... Get the tranny/clutch squared away, go, then tear her down........ You don't wanna miss out.....

T
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on August 21, 2013, 08:56:57 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 21, 2013, 08:07:18 AM
Looking Good Mike..................  :2thumbs:

You are planning on having it for the 2014 Talladega Meet, no? I read you wanted to restore her....... Get the tranny/clutch squared away, go, then tear her down........ You don't wanna miss out.....

T

Troy, depending on funds, that is what might happen!   I will do anything to be at Talladega!   Just don't want to break down on the track.. LOL
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: Aero426 on August 21, 2013, 09:54:03 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 21, 2013, 08:07:18 AM

You are planning on having it for the 2014 Talladega Meet, no? I read you wanted to restore her....... Get the tranny/clutch squared away, go, then tear her down........ You don't wanna miss out.....

T

This is excellent advice.    The restoration (and going back together part) is going to likely take longer than you anticipate.  

If I read it right, getting the car into the body shop next July doesn't seem to leave enough time.    
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: Dave Kanofsky on August 21, 2013, 12:08:14 PM
I broke down on the track in my SuperBird, they got a tow truck to push you right off in a hurry.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on August 21, 2013, 04:58:52 PM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on August 21, 2013, 12:08:14 PM
I broke down on the track in my SuperBird, they got a tow truck to push you right off in a hurry.

Dave, anyone get a picture of that?

I'll tell you by driving it that small amount of time last week was awesome!  I have too many headaches with car crap right now to worry about the Bird.  But, I will be at Talladega hook or crook.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: hemi68charger on August 21, 2013, 07:05:06 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on August 21, 2013, 04:58:52 PM
...  But, I will be at Talladega hook or crook.  :2thumbs:

Tow the sucker there for peace-of-mind and discount the naysayers about "drive it or leave it".......  I say, "Yeah,,,, whatever.."

You can get to drive the car locally there in Alexander City and the track....... Heck, trailer it to the track if need be....... You won't be the only one...........
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: Dave Kanofsky on August 22, 2013, 06:37:06 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on August 21, 2013, 04:58:52 PM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on August 21, 2013, 12:08:14 PM
I broke down on the track in my SuperBird, they got a tow truck to push you right off in a hurry.

Dave, anyone get a picture of that?

I'll tell you by driving it that small amount of time last week was awesome!  I have too many headaches with car crap right now to worry about the Bird.  But, I will be at Talladega hook or crook.  :2thumbs:

Not that I know of, this was 1999 just as we were driving off the track.  It was the culmination of a rough weekend of car trouble, I couldn't look at the thing for a few months. Yet, we made some life long friends, some lasting memories, and we have gone back twice since then.  And can't wait for next year!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on September 15, 2013, 09:29:03 PM
Guys, please help with a few questions -

-Where is it recommended to get the decals for the Bird?

-What color should the inside of the nose be?

-As for the wiring, I understand that no one really makes the gauge cluster harness.  What is the next best solution?  Get a 68 Charger due to the head light vacuum?

BTW, if anyone has a old Bird cluster harness,  Bill Evans said he would love to have it so he can make a copy moving forward...... :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: oldcarnut on September 15, 2013, 09:53:30 PM
I think most will say Dave Patick of Performance Car Graphics.  I got all mine from there 4-5 yrs ago and still haven't got to put them on  :slap: Pg 22 of the catalog.  The web page doesn't look like its been updated in a long time.  When you look at several others that advertise especially on Ebay their colors of the RR are all off or altered in some way.
http://www.performancecargraphics.com/images/Catalog/Catalog.pdf
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: moparstuart on September 15, 2013, 10:32:31 PM
i second that  dave at performance car graphics 
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: FJ5WING on September 16, 2013, 07:24:44 AM
I agree with going to dave for the decals!

Inside of the nose should be satin black.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on September 16, 2013, 07:24:48 AM
Thanks guys!  I'll cross off the decals on the list. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on September 16, 2013, 07:25:25 AM
Quote from: FJ5WING on September 16, 2013, 07:24:44 AM
I agree with going to dave for the decals!

Inside of the nose should be satin black.

Awesome! :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's a Wing Owner!
Post by: SouthernChargers on October 11, 2013, 01:05:09 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 28, 2012, 10:08:50 AM
I show RM23VOA172646 as FY1  D Whitsel Detriot
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_4685.jpg)

Were did you get that sheet with all the cars and owners on it?
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: hemi68charger on October 13, 2013, 09:14:05 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on September 16, 2013, 07:24:48 AM
Thanks guys!  I'll cross off the decals on the list. :2thumbs:

And make sure you blacken out the headlamp buckets and nose inside the decal so you don't see body color......
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: hotrod98 on October 13, 2013, 09:52:52 PM
I replaced my dash harness on my bird with a harness made for both 70 Plymouths and 70 Dodges with the oil pressure gauge. I remember that there was a pigtail for the electric headlamp motor that I didn't use.  Other than that, it was dead on. Part number  HU272B from Yearone.

On most wingcars that I've seen, there's overspray inside the headlamp buckets. The inside of the buckets are semi gloss (satin) black.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: A383Wing on October 13, 2013, 10:44:17 PM
I don't think a 68 harness will work due to the 4 way flasher being in the dash on 68-69 & in the column on a 70
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on October 14, 2013, 09:23:04 AM
Thanks guys!   

I'm purchasing parts for the restoration now.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: hemi68charger on October 14, 2013, 01:26:37 PM
Quote from: hotrod98 on October 13, 2013, 09:52:52 PM
I replaced my dash harness on my bird with a harness made for both 70 Plymouths and 70 Dodges with the oil pressure gauge. I remember that there was a pigtail for the electric headlamp motor that I didn't use.  Other than that, it was dead on. Part number  HU272B from Yearone.

On most wingcars that I've seen, there's overspray inside the headlamp buckets. The inside of the buckets are semi gloss (satin) black.

Same experience... The '70 B-body harness YearOne sells ( M&H ), is reproduction of the parts replacement part that MaMopar sold back when ( at least that's what the tech guys at M&H told me ). I recently swapped out the dash harness on my friend's '70 Superbee. The harness also included the connections for the headlamp relay required for '70 Dodge Chargers........ So, when you get it Mike and see those extra connections, in an Italian accent, "It'z a'all right......"
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on October 21, 2014, 06:44:29 PM
Some people have been asking me, what's going on with the Bird...  Well, nothing.   Been sitting since last year Fall.   I plan on bringing it home in a month to start figuring out what direction I want to go with it.   Will start cleaning the under body, and make sure structurally it is in good shape.   If it's in good shape, a mechanical / touch up process will begin.   If it needs metal replacement, I'll probably start taking it apart and get it media blasted in Spring. 
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: Dave Kanofsky on October 22, 2014, 12:42:39 PM
Good luck, let the fun begin!
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Post by: 1970Moparmann on October 22, 2014, 09:21:57 PM
Thanks Dave!   I hope that the frame rails are okay.  If so, it will be on the road in Spring!    Yesterday, I went to my friends place to give some storage money, and had to pinch myself again that I have a Bird... Can't wait to get it home again! :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 10, 2015, 11:25:21 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 30, 2013, 10:28:56 AM
More pictures-

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/photo-1.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/photo-1.jpg.html)

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k28/1970Moparmann/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/photo.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/1970Moparmann/media/1970%20Plymouth%20Superbird/photo.jpg.html)

Ok guys, finally getting back to the Bird.   Going to start up all the questions again....

Anyone know if the Birds hood latch is the same for all 70 models?
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: DAY CLONA on May 10, 2015, 12:59:35 PM
That looks like a "homemade" latch tray you have there, or someone cut out a rotted/damaged center section and used just the front/rear rails,... I'd suggest you get one of Gene Gregory's one piece steel latchtrays before they're gone, IIRC they retail for under $750



Just a little FYI...Superbird latchtrays were just leftover Daytona trays, "turned 180 degrees, the end tabs cut off, the rear lip tab trimmed down, the Tona' safety latch hole plated over with a patch, a new hole punched for the Bird's safety latch, a hood spring added, and a few new mounting holes, and wala! the Superbird latch tray was created, my trays are created mush like J.McGaughey's were, formed, welded...Gene's are true 1 piece stampings like original




Superbird tray pictured below is a J.McGaughy piece, the Daytona steel tray is one of my pieces, sorry I don't have a pic of my Superbird tray at this time, but I do make them, if interested

Mike
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: Arnie Cunningham on May 10, 2015, 07:55:26 PM
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,74685.0.html
more on the latch itself

Your latch tray has been modified.  Hopefully they kept the clips that hold the spring in place - they are Superbird only unless you count the one you might find on a 1970 Imperial.
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Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 10, 2015, 08:44:38 PM
Hey guys, I met Gene last year and picked up a new latch tray.  :cheers:   Gene is a great guy.... Went to his shop and talked Mopars for a few hours.
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on May 10, 2015, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: Arnie Cunningham on May 10, 2015, 07:55:26 PM
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,74685.0.html


Awesome - THANKS!!
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on January 02, 2016, 04:51:38 PM
Ok guys, I've had this car for three years already..... FINALLY going to get it on the road! :2thumbs:

Looking at the 6 pack carbs, the car came with the following carbs -

List 4382 date code of 2679 (Front)

List 4365 date code of 3399 (Outboard)

List 4144 date code of 0436 (Center)

From what I am reading, my front carb is the only thing that is correct.   I'm showing the Bird should have a 4375 (Center) and a 4383 (Rear).   Can someone confirm this?

I appreciate the help! :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: Dave Kanofsky on January 04, 2016, 01:49:30 PM
YAY MIKE!!!

I can't help you on the carb numbers, but I am REALLY looking forward to seeing the car on the road!

MoPower Madness in Bartlett will be here before you know it...(Sunday, May 15th)
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on January 04, 2016, 02:02:02 PM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on January 04, 2016, 01:49:30 PM
YAY MIKE!!!

I can't help you on the carb numbers, but I am REALLY looking forward to seeing the car on the road!

MoPower Madness in Bartlett will be here before you know it...(Sunday, May 15th)

Thanks Dave!   Looking forward to bringing it out!  Drive train is coming out in no more than two weeks! 
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: Mopar John on January 04, 2016, 06:40:10 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 10, 2015, 08:44:38 PM
Hey guys, I met Gene last year and picked up a new latch tray.  :cheers:   Gene is a great guy.... Went to his shop and talked Mopars for a few hours.
Mike,
Great find getting an authentic replacement latch tray for your Superbird!
That is one of the most noticeable items when you lift the hood.
MJ
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on January 04, 2016, 07:40:21 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on January 04, 2016, 06:40:10 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 10, 2015, 08:44:38 PM
Hey guys, I met Gene last year and picked up a new latch tray.  :cheers:   Gene is a great guy.... Went to his shop and talked Mopars for a few hours.
Mike,
Great find getting an authentic replacement latch tray for your Superbird!
That is one of the most noticeable items when you lift the hood.
MJ

John, it looks great also!   Meeting Gene was a great experience also.  What a great guy....
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: Mopar John on January 05, 2016, 04:18:35 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on January 02, 2016, 04:51:38 PM
Ok guys, I've had this car for three years already..... FINALLY going to get it on the road! :2thumbs:

Looking at the 6 pack carbs, the car came with the following carbs -

List 4382 date code of 2679 (Front)

List 4365 date code of 3399 (Outboard)

List 4144 date code of 0436 (Center)

From what I am reading, my front carb is the only thing that is correct.   I'm showing the Bird should have a 4375 (Center) and a 4383 (Rear).   Can someone confirm this?

I appreciate the help! :cheers:
Mike,
I got home before 426 Linda and had time to remove the air cleaner and check out the carbs!
Here is what I found:
Front carb LIST 4382 dated 323 9
Center carb LIST 4376 dated 321 9 ( AUTO TRANS! )
Rear Carb LIST 4383 dated 324 9

I was surprised by how close the dates were on the 3 different carbs within 3 days.
Also even more surprised by how close to the November 28th build date 332 9 they were!
MJ
Title: Re: 1970Moparmann's Superbird - Continuous questions.....
Post by: 1970Moparmann on January 05, 2016, 09:20:35 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on January 05, 2016, 04:18:35 PM

Mike,
I got home before 426 Linda and had time to remove the air cleaner and check out the carbs!
Here is what I found:
Front carb LIST 4382 dated 323 9
Center carb LIST 4376 dated 321 9 ( AUTO TRANS! )
Rear Carb LIST 4383 dated 324 9


Thanks a lot John!!   Hope to have my Bird next to yours soon!