I was asked about the differences between a 70 Charger hood and a real Daytona hood.
There are the 'lumps' near the front. 2 hood pin holes.
The 'scallops' near the bottom are small, like a 1969 hood.
Then there are the 2 indents, one on each side, near the bottom.
Anything else?
Well, that's nice !!! :2thumbs:
My 70 Charger hood had the structural "lumps" at the front on the underside...I had to remove them in order to get the hood to close correctly
Quote from: A383Wing on November 30, 2017, 08:02:31 PM
My 70 Charger hood had the structural "lumps" at the front on the underside...I had to remove them in order to get the hood to close correctly
Latch tray in the way!
i think there is a difference in the small holes near the bottom as well?
No hood wiring holes.
I have these 2 hoods
The one on the left has the crash ribs on the front and the hood blinker wiring holes
The one on the right has no crash ribs and no wiring holes
Neither hood has the dents in the cross member closest to the hindges
the hole differences i referred to are clearly visible in your photo
Need to see the scallops under the rubber seal, along the bottom edge of the two hoods pictured above .
70 hood is large, 69, and 69 1/2, is small.
Any differences in the hoods you have, 70 sublime??
Would be cool to get some pics of 100% original Daytona survivor hoods of the details mentioned above. :coolgleamA:
Taken yesterday, legit unrestored Daytona hood. Today I pulled back some of the leftover hood pad insulation, and there is no hole for the turn signal wiring as I expected. It's all smooth (I just didn't snap a picture of it yesterday with the camera).
Quote from: hemigeno on December 01, 2017, 12:00:32 PM
Taken yesterday, legit unrestored Daytona hood. Today I pulled back some of the leftover hood pad insulation, and there is no hole for the turn signal wiring as I expected. It's all smooth (I just didn't snap a picture of it yesterday with the camera).
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, need that old hood any more Mr. Geno? :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 01, 2017, 12:11:42 PM
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, need that old hood any more Mr. Geno? :icon_smile_big:
Actually, no.
I also spied a small locating(?) hole that did not appear to be on another photo of a '70 Charger hood I had... see below. Is this another '69-specific trait?
if i only had some spare change.....
Quote from: hemigeno on December 01, 2017, 12:00:32 PM
Taken yesterday, legit unrestored Daytona hood. Today I pulled back some of the leftover hood pad insulation, and there is no hole for the turn signal wiring as I expected. It's all smooth (I just didn't snap a picture of it yesterday with the camera).
Here's a 70 Charger hood with the large scallops near the bottom. Note: it does not have the indents like hemigeno's photo of an original Daytona hood.
Quote from: odcics2 on December 01, 2017, 02:30:26 PM
Here's a 70 Charger hood with the large scallops near the bottom.
I've seen '70 Charger hoods with small scallops though. Interestingly enough, they had no holes for the turn signal wiring either but did have crash ribs up front.
From what I've seen so far, there are at least 3, if not 4, versions of '70 Charger hood stampings (apart from what MAY be the '69-Daytona-only pattern)
1. No crash ribs, no turn signal holes, (unknown rear scallop size, but I'm guessing small scallops), no indentations near hinges
2. Crash ribs, no turn signal holes, small rear scallops, no indentations near hinges
3. Crash ribs, turn signal holes, large rear scallops, no indentations near hinges
There's 1 or two other ideas I have about possible differences, but haven't had a chance to properly research them yet.
Dodge Don can shed more light on the wiring holes (or lack of) in the 70 hoods.....I think the early 70 hoods didn't have the turn signal wiring holes
Quote from: hemigeno on December 01, 2017, 03:31:54 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on December 01, 2017, 02:30:26 PM
Here's a 70 Charger hood with the large scallops near the bottom.
I've seen '70 Charger hoods with small scallops though. Interestingly enough, they had no holes for the turn signal wiring either but did have crash ribs up front.
From what I've seen so far, there are at least 3, if not 4, versions of '70 Charger hood stampings (apart from what MAY be the '69-Daytona-only pattern)
1. No crash ribs, no turn signal holes, (unknown rear scallop size, but I'm guessing small scallops), no indentations near hinges
2. Crash ribs, no turn signal holes, small rear scallops, no indentations near hinges
3. Crash ribs, turn signal holes, large rear scallops, no indentations near hinges
There's 1 or two other ideas I have about possible differences, but haven't had a chance to properly research them yet.
Looks like a Daytona only hood has: indents near hinges, small rear scallops, no crash ribs, no signal holes...
I moved a bunch of junk so I could get a picture of the bottom of my hood
Quote from: 70 sublime on December 01, 2017, 10:05:21 PM
I moved a bunch of junk so I could get a picture of the bottom of my hood
What size are the scallops along the bottom edge?
Quote from: odcics2 on December 02, 2017, 09:54:30 AM
Quote from: 70 sublime on December 01, 2017, 10:05:21 PM
I moved a bunch of junk so I could get a picture of the bottom of my hood
What size are the scallops along the bottom edge?
I pulled the rubber off the bottom edge and took some pictures
I have to resize the pictures so I can post them later this evening when I have time
Will you be able to post a picture of that same area on a real Daytona hood ?
Jeez seems like this stuff was a big secret the last time we discussed it here. Guess its out in the open now. Shot of another real unrestored Daytona hood. The scallops are 1.9 " long at the bottom and 2.7 inches long where they blend in at top. So far I have not found Geno's locating hole in it. I wondered if you still had that hood Gene.
Quote from: 70 sublime on December 02, 2017, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on December 02, 2017, 09:54:30 AM
Quote from: 70 sublime on December 01, 2017, 10:05:21 PM
I moved a bunch of junk so I could get a picture of the bottom of my hood
What size are the scallops along the bottom edge?
I pulled the rubber off the bottom edge and took some pictures
I have to resize the pictures so I can post them later this evening when I have time
Will you be able to post a picture of that same area on a real Daytona hood ?
First photos on this thread are of a real Daytona hood...
The size of the scallops along the bottom edge are easily seen. Small compared to a 1970 Charger hood.
Quote from: Davtona on December 02, 2017, 11:14:02 AM
Jeez seems like this stuff was a big secret the last time we discussed it here. Guess its out in the open now. Shot of another real unrestored Daytona hood. The scallops are 1.9 " long at the bottom and 2.7 inches long where they blend in at top. So far I have not found Geno's locating hole in it. I wondered if you still had that hood Gene.
Photo posted shows an indent.
The scallops are along the bottom, usually obscured by the rubber seal.
:cheers:
Quote from: odcics2 on December 02, 2017, 12:43:45 PM
The scallops are along the bottom, usually obscured by the rubber seal.
Here are a couple more pics without the rear hood seal. I might be missing exactly where the scallops are. :shruggy: Go figure!! :lol: I need to dig out a regular 70 Charger hood and compare the 2 side by side close up.
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Looks like a Daytona only hood has: indents near hinges, small rear scallops, no crash ribs, no signal holes...
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You must have a good eye to have noticed those indents and that they aren't on any other hood.
My 70 hood is missing the turn signal wiring routing holes....unusual for a 70 hood.
Are my pics of my Ray Elder Daytona hood still floatin around? someone post them I haven't figured out how to post pics yet since PB got greedy.
Quote from: wingcar builder on December 02, 2017, 05:35:27 PM
Are my pics of my Ray Elder Daytona hood still floatin around? someone post them I haven't figured out how to post pics yet since PB got greedy.
No problem, buddy.
So when I took my other pictures of my hood I pulled the rubber seal off the back edge to take these pictures
Just resized them to post
So is my understanding this is what a Daytona factory hood looks like ?
Quote from: 70 sublime on December 02, 2017, 08:16:18 PM
So is my understanding this is what a Daytona factory hood looks like ?
A better pic would be helpful, but the small scallops are there.
Off topic here a little bit but:
So with all the discussion on the Daytona only hood quirks it got me to thinking. I've never used any AMD panels or any other repo metal but how close to original shape and form are they. For instance floor pans, or inner fender wells. Are there differences between original metal and reproduction metal in the bends, depth of grove punches say on a floor pan. I got to believe they are not exact and someone who knew what to look for could pick out repo metal from original metal easily.
Quote from: Davtona on December 04, 2017, 09:27:20 PM
Off topic here a little bit but:
So with all the discussion on the Daytona only hood quirks it got me to thinking. I've never used any AMD panels or any other repo metal but how close to original shape and form are they. For instance floor pans, or inner fender wells. Are there differences between original metal and reproduction metal in the bends, depth of grove punches say on a floor pan. I got to believe they are not exact and someone who knew what to look for could pick out repo metal from original metal easily.
While some of the repro metal may not be exact, the mere fact that something is available is a blessing, hunting for NOS, clean original is a thing of the past for most, not to mention the price gouge of NOS/original sheetmetal, what may have taken years to amass for a project is now a click/PH call away, only the most anal will insist on OEM/NOS for refurbishment
Quote from: DAY CLONA on December 05, 2017, 05:36:41 AM
Quote from: Davtona on December 04, 2017, 09:27:20 PM
Off topic here a little bit but:
So with all the discussion on the Daytona only hood quirks it got me to thinking. I've never used any AMD panels or any other repo metal but how close to original shape and form are they. For instance floor pans, or inner fender wells. Are there differences between original metal and reproduction metal in the bends, depth of grove punches say on a floor pan. I got to believe they are not exact and someone who knew what to look for could pick out repo metal from original metal easily.
While some of the repro metal may not be exact, the mere fact that something is available is a blessing, hunting for NOS, clean original is a thing of the past for most, not to mention the price gouge of NOS/original sheetmetal, what may have taken years to amass for a project is now a click/PH call away, only the most anal will insist on OEM/NOS for refurbishment
There are still a few of us that go the extra mile to do it correctly.
Someone has to set the bar.
Why bust our balls on various threads? :shruggy:
I do not know how many had hood mounted signal indicators but if there were no holes for the wire, I wonder how creative ran the wire?
Leave wire disconnected for first few cars?
Run under insulation pad if so equipped?
Drill hole? (I doubt it but I have not seen them all)
Did any of the hoods shipped to creative come with signal lights? Or none to simplify manufacturing?
The Daytona hoods and front fenders have been of interest to me for years.
I would say at least 1/3 of the surviving Daytonas have 1970 Charger hoods in one form or another.
Even the top of the pyramid 426 HEMI 4 speed that David Spade bought has a 1970 Charger hood.
The original hood was modified with a scoop early on and then removed at restoration.
Most common is to remove the ribs up front and call it a day.
My first two pictures show a close up of the indents and then an overall of the area on my original Daytona hood.
My last picture shows a close up in the front of a stamped recessed area on an original Daytona hood.
This area may not be the same either on a 1970 Charger hood?
I have seen this area evened out when the ribs are removed.
I would like to see a close up of this area on a 1970 Charger hood with an unmodified rib panel.
MJ
Quote from: FJMG on December 05, 2017, 12:18:25 PM
I do not know how many had hood mounted signal indicators but if there were no holes for the wire, I wonder how creative ran the wire?
Leave wire disconnected for first few cars?
Run under insulation pad if so equipped?
Drill hole? (I doubt it but I have not seen them all)
Did any of the hoods shipped to creative come with signal lights? Or none to simplify manufacturing?
My hood does not have the holes cut into the webbing for the turn signals wires but it has a row of these clips instead
Quote from: 70 sublime on December 05, 2017, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: FJMG on December 05, 2017, 12:18:25 PM
I do not know how many had hood mounted signal indicators but if there were no holes for the wire, I wonder how creative ran the wire?
Leave wire disconnected for first few cars?
Run under insulation pad if so equipped?
Drill hole? (I doubt it but I have not seen them all)
Did any of the hoods shipped to creative come with signal lights? Or none to simplify manufacturing?
My hood does not have the holes cut into the webbing for the turn signals wires but it has a row of these clips instead
correct, if the hood did not have the turn signal wire holes in the webbing, the wire was run along the outside of the webbing with the little wire clips that pushed into the pin holes
Quote from: Davtona on December 04, 2017, 09:27:20 PM
Off topic here a little bit but:
So with all the discussion on the Daytona only hood quirks it got me to thinking. I've never used any AMD panels or any other repo metal but how close to original shape and form are they. For instance floor pans, or inner fender wells. Are there differences between original metal and reproduction metal in the bends, depth of grove punches say on a floor pan. I got to believe they are not exact and someone who knew what to look for could pick out repo metal from original metal easily.
I will freely admit to having pretty limited Charger bodywork knowledge compared to many on here but there seems to be quite a bit of variation even on the factory parts (the hoods in this thread for example). In the few original and nos floors and doors I've seen there is variation in the depth of floor strengthening ridges, hole positioning and door scallops...a couple of old doors I've seen had the scallops extending over and inch further back than mine. My left door indent starts very slightly further back from the A pillar than the one on my right door too! Can't beat that late sixties build quality!
....anyway ....BOT!
Quote from: Mopar John on December 05, 2017, 12:37:13 PM
I would like to see a close up of this area on a 1970 Charger hood with an unmodified rib panel.
MJ
Here you go John. Shot of a unmolested 70 Charger hood in that area.
Quote from: Davtona on December 05, 2017, 09:17:08 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on December 05, 2017, 12:37:13 PM
I would like to see a close up of this area on a 1970 Charger hood with an unmodified rib panel.
MJ
Here you go John. Shot of a unmolested 70 Charger hood in that area.
What about the indents near the front, on each side? Any differences there between an original Daytona hood and a 70 Charger hood? I assume the various 70 hoods would have to be investigated.
John - can you post of yours?
Quote from: Davtona on December 05, 2017, 09:17:08 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on December 05, 2017, 12:37:13 PM
I would like to see a close up of this area on a 1970 Charger hood with an unmodified rib panel.
MJ
Here you go John. Shot of a unmolested 70 Charger hood in that area.
Thanks Dave!
It looks like they are the same in that area.
So the hoods that I have seen with the ribs removed didn't include the recessed area in the NEW panel.
MJ
Quote from: odcics2 on December 06, 2017, 08:45:05 AM
Quote from: Davtona on December 05, 2017, 09:17:08 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on December 05, 2017, 12:37:13 PM
I would like to see a close up of this area on a 1970 Charger hood with an unmodified rib panel.
MJ
Here you go John. Shot of a unmolested 70 Charger hood in that area.
What about the indents near the front, on each side? Any differences there between an original Daytona hood and a 70 Charger hood? I assume the various 70 hoods would have to be investigated.
John - can you post of yours?
Greg,
Here are some pictures of the bottom of my Daytona hood near the front.
MJ
Interesting....I assume those stretch/stress marks are factory.
Yes, factory. Here's a 70 hood. Looks more crisp.