http://www.autoevolution.com/news/lowest-mile-original-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-is-heading-to-auction-photo-gallery-90859.html
They are saying $800,000 potential price. I think not since aero cars seem down, even though chargers are hot sellers for the last few years.
HEMI 'Birds have about doubled in the past two years - the rarer HEMI Daytonas don't hit the public market as often - I agree $800K is ambitious - I guess we'll see.
Hell, I hope the Daytona sells 3X that amount!! :yesnod: Let me explain....
First of all, Wellborn's auction should help everyone already owning a Mopar. We've seen lower than usual prices paid at auction lately so this collection should do well to correct that. These are very significant cars - that would normally never be offered to the public at any price.
In the background I'm sure some ultra rare cars have changed hands amongst some high level private collectors.....but not these cars. They're going to be sold publicly. Top dollar sales like this don't usually get disclosed to the public, which is why this auction will be significant to watch.
Big sales numbers help everyone the market and attract vendors who make parts for our hobby. I see no reason not to boost our collector car economy with good strong money paid, for strong blue chip quality cars.
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 08, 2015, 05:37:33 PM
Hell, I hope the Daytona sells 3X that amount!! :yesnod: Let me explain....
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/g0WW6hPqbAA/0.jpg)
Fixed. :icon_smile_big:
The two most recent Hemi Superbirds have pulled over $500,000 at auction. This is the first Hemi 4-speed Daytona to come up to bat in a long time. I think it will do very well.
We may see a Daytona creep into the seven figure category! :popcrn:
Quote from: moparnation74 on January 08, 2015, 09:17:40 PM
We may see a Daytona creep into the seven figure category! :popcrn:
I'm all for that :2thumbs:
My first Spring Fling 20 plus years ago. I didn't think the red velvet rope treatment
was a good idea, later in the day I watched a kid get away from a parent and almost
go into the ropes... Luckily manager Jerry Sewell was standing between the car and
kid...
:popcrn:
:popcrn:
:popcrn:
The 'ground up' look at the nose is not flattering... :Twocents:
:drool5:
Blue chip car, for sure. It'll be interesting to see on which side of 7 figures the gavel falls.
VERY minor detail (sorta like giving fashion advice to a supermodel), but I noticed that the red stripe tires have been on at least since Mr. Chandler's ownership - wonder if someone just preferred those over the U64 white stripes the B-sheet calls out?
Quote from: odcics2 on January 09, 2015, 05:51:29 PM
The 'ground up' look at the nose is not flattering... :Twocents:
'Birds do it a lot better, but yeah best to keep the camera a half a foot higher for front end shots.
Hmmmmmm......now I would like to see it with the white stripe tires, might actually look good with that white wing.
Soooooo all I have to do is buy it and change the tires! Great.
Let me check my pockets.........darn, not enough.
I could write a check..........
But it would bounce damn near to mars.
Might have enough to buy the "white-out" to temporarily cover the red!
Quote from: hemigeno on January 09, 2015, 06:24:29 PMVERY minor detail (sorta like giving fashion advice to a supermodel), but I noticed that the red stripe tires have been on at least since Mr. Chandler's ownership - wonder if someone just preferred those over the U64 white stripes the B-sheet calls out?
Anyone have a good pic of the tires? From these pics, they appear to be Firestones :shruggy:
Goodyear POLYGLAS F70-15 "red streak" were STANDARD on '69 HEMI cars, Goodyear POLYGLAS F70-15 "white stripe" were OPTIONAL at no-charge. These are fiberglass-belted tires, instead of the nylon-cord SPEEDWAYS that '68 HEMI b-bodies used.
GG has Firestones listed in his "white books" as original on HEMI Daytonas & I always wondered why - AFAIK Firestone did NOT have a fiberglass belted tire available at the time of Daytona production. I wonder if this car with it's custom paint & L88 hood had Corvette spec. Firestone red-line in the trunk & that fact (& low miles) morphed into the Firestone & OE claim??
Any ideas?
I want to do a clone of that Daytona great color combo.
Quote from: 6bblgt on January 09, 2015, 08:46:05 PM
Quote from: hemigeno on January 09, 2015, 06:24:29 PMVERY minor detail (sorta like giving fashion advice to a supermodel), but I noticed that the red stripe tires have been on at least since Mr. Chandler's ownership - wonder if someone just preferred those over the U64 white stripes the B-sheet calls out?
Anyone have a good pic of the tires? From these pics, they appear to be Firestones :shruggy:
Goodyear POLYGLAS F70-15 "red streak" were STANDARD on '69 HEMI cars, Goodyear POLYGLAS F70-15 "white stripe" were OPTIONAL at no-charge. These are fiberglass-belted tires, instead of the nylon-cord SPEEDWAYS that '68 HEMI b-bodies used.
GG has Firestones listed in his "white books" as original on HEMI Daytonas & I always wondered why - AFAIK Firestone did NOT have a fiberglass belted tire available at the time of Daytona production. I wonder if this car with it's custom paint & L88 hood had Corvette spec. Firestone red-line in the trunk & that fact (& low miles) morphed into the Firestone & OE claim??
Any ideas?
Dan, this car was restored by Gibson, and it was basically his first Mopar he cut his teeth on, prior to that Gibson was doing Vettes for many years, so perhaps Gibson is the one that shod the car with Firestone Redlines?
Here's some photos of "back in the day" before Otis C./Gibson got their hands on it, the car had some personality then, now "restored" it looks like a large pinched off turd with all that browm :icon_smile_blackeye:
Mike
Almost always I prefer 1970's paint schemes to all the cars that look the same today.
I really liked the L88 hood on the before shots.
Plus the deep dish Cragars. Or Keystones, Americans, or better yet Moto-Wheels.
Butt in this particular case which Brown paint scheme is the pinched off one, before or after?
I'm kind of fine with the inside and outside browns as it is today.
I guess I disagree with most of you all. :shruggy:
I generally dislike the day 2 paint jobs and LOVE the stock look, I also dislike the tan interior. That being said I wont turn away any chance to own a Daytona.
My Charger came with "U65 F70-15 Fiber" per my build sheet and I bought a set of Coker F70-15 Firestone Wide Oval Fiberglass tires for it. These tires were made and on cars, as I remember, as early as 1967 and that is what Coker Tire says about its' repros. I bought my Charger in 1976 and the original tires were long gone so, I cannot say for certain that the Firestone tires or Goodyear tires came on it from the factory. I believe the Firestone tires to be correct and that is just my opinion.
I think this particular Daytona would look better with whitewall tires on it and do not understand why it has redline tires on it now.
Here is a link to the Coker tire and a picture of my Charger with them on it.
https://www.cokertire.com/f70-15-firestone-wide-oval-redline.html
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/69HEMICHARGER/86c4fbbd-7c56-457f-b40d-52507ab80044_zps1cb34ea6.jpg)
All factory installed white letters tires on Mopar muscle cars should be Goodyear....period, end of story. :yesnod:
All white-stripe or "whiteline" tires should also be Goodyear Custom Wide Tread or "Speedway Wide Tread" (I'm not sure but I believe that was the same tire)?
I can't say for sure on Redline tires. I believe most Redline tires on Mopars were also Goodyear Custom Wide Tread, but Hemigeno swears Firestones were installed on his Daytona, so I have no reason to doubt him based on all of his research.
As a side note Chrysler installed very few Firestone brand tires on its cars. However Ford was consistently using Firestones on new vehicles. The first high production Chrysler product (I'm aware of) wearing Firestone tires from the factory was the Omni/Horizon in 1978...
I have the original redline spare in my charger. It's a Firestone.
Most "performance" a-bodies from '68-'69 were equipped with Firestones (WIDE OVAL) these were NYLON cord tires.
The '69 "performance" b-body model year started with Goodyear NYLON cord red or white stripe F70-14 tires (SPEEDWAY) STANDARD with red stripe Goodyear fiberglass-belted (POLYGLAS) OPTIONAL.
During the second half of the '69 model year some "performance" b-bodies also received Firestone NYLON cord red or white stripe F70-14 tires (WIDE OVAL).
********* WAG - I wonder if Goodyear cut production of the lesser SPEEDWAY to devote more manufacturing capacity to the far superior POLYGLAS? :scratchchin: Forcing Chrysler Corp. to purchase WIDE OVALs?
If HemiGeno's Daytona is a T83 red stripe "NYLON" tire car then the FIRESTONES are likely correct, if it is a T85 red stripe "fiberglass-belted" tire car it would be GOODYEAR.
ALL 1968/1969 OE fiberglass-belted tires (GM, FoMoCo, Chrysler Corp.) are GOODYEAR POLYGLAS
Chrysler Corp.'s 1970 model year performance "white stripe" & "RWL" tires (70 series & 60 series) are all GOODYEAR POLYGLAS
I believe the FIRESTONE fiberglass belted 60/70-series WIDE OVAL made its debut around January of '70 (prior to that they were all "NYLON" cord).
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 10, 2015, 06:48:48 PM
All factory installed white letters tires on Mopar muscle cars should be Goodyear....period, end of story. :yesnod:
This is ONLY true for 1969-1972
Stunning car which ever way you look at it! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Got to be in the realms of Hemi Cuda Ragtop money surely?
I've been blessed by the God of Mopars, as I have worked on both a Hemi 4-speed Daytona and a 71 Hemi Cuda Ragtop... :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Never wanted to own the cars myself, just happy to be able to help them along the way to Stardom!
Pinched turd maybe a bit strong, more a dropped and stood on Saveloy?
If I win the Lottory I won't be buying it myself, more fun buying a Spitfire!
Looney LiMeY 5J :dance:
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Quote from: TUFCAT on January 10, 2015, 06:48:48 PM
Hemigeno swears Firestones were installed on his Daytona, so I have no reason to doubt him based on all of his research.
I'm not sure where this came from, but I don't recall having made the statement about my car having Firestones originally. The car's original owner doesn't remember what the car had on it (apart from being redlines), and they were long gone by the time Owner #2 stepped into the picture even after only +/-22,000 miles. I think Owner #1 did a
little lot of :drive:
In 2012, my car went through the OE judging wearing a vintage set of Goodyear Custom Wide Tread redlines. It's admittedly wearing Firestone repops now, but that's because AFAIK they don't make a Goodyear repop and I'm not tooling anywhere other than on/off the trailer on 46 year old tires (tyres, for 500Jon's benefit :P ).
Tom, were you referring to this thread (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,63503.0.html) where maxwellwedge/Jim B. mentions two of his cars that had original Firestone spares?
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Back to the original subject... once Mike/Dayclona posted those photos of the Chandler/Wellborn car with the L88 hood, I remembered seeing them or similar shots before. Great look for the car back then! I'm surprised they didn't leave the Hemi door badges on back then though, even with the custom paintjob. If I ever had the photos, they were lost when my computer's hard drive did a meltdown back in 2007. Those photos also explain why the car was wearing a '70 Charger ribbed hood when the fresh stock resto was first unveiled by Otis C. I don't remember seeing any photos of the hood's leading edge since Tim W. has owned the car, although I was at MCACN in 2012 when Tim brought it (and some other really cool iron too) to the show. Never thought to look. They could have changed the hood out long before now.
When Otis Chandler had the Daytona, he had a giant poster of the Daytona displayed behind the actual car. He had a similar poster display behind his green Packard 12-cylinder boattail speedster. Did he have a commercial artist make up those posters? I suppose they could have been paintings? Likely blow-ups of drawn art though, not that Otis Chandler couldn't have whatever he wanted made up. What happened to the posters?
Good point bringing up Tyres(tires) back in 1969!
What were the tire manufacturers doing in 1969, did they not see Nascar?
Why were they only supplying the Car-makers with barely road-legal wheel-barrow TIRES!!!
You go to the Dodge showroom and put down a heap of money on 425hp flying machine with shopping trolley wheels on it?
6 x 15 rims with hi-profile rubber-bands!!!
I'm surprised after the first Winter of 69/70 any hemi-cars survived at all? :rofl: :bump: :drive:
It'll be interesting to see what the car goes for. The last Hemi 4speed I saw
for sale was on Rich P's collectorcarconnection site in the 600's...
:2thumbs:
TEAL?? :icon_smile_cool: my color-blind grandfather would've thought it was teal also :rofl: not like it's Q5 :shruggy:
I had to look it up...
Quote from: 500Jon on January 12, 2015, 11:16:52 AM
I'm surprised after the first Winter of 69/70 any hemi-cars survived at all? :rofl: :bump: :drive:
With the crappy quality sheetmetal, poor water drainage & lack of galvanization, after the 4th or 5th winter, most cars from all manufacturers were pretty much junk, or when the odometer hit 80,000 miles; whichever came first. Those that did survive are true miracles.
http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/21673156-900-0.jpg?rev=2
My Charger and Challenger survived mainly due to a combination of factory or dealer installed undercoat and major oil leaks that the owners felt weren't worth fixing...... :lol:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on January 13, 2015, 01:43:41 PM
http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/21673156-900-0.jpg?rev=2
$6500 in 1976 interesting. Already selling for more then when brand new.
Quote from: hemigeno on January 12, 2015, 09:53:57 AM
In 2012, my car went through the OE judging wearing a vintage set of Goodyear Custom Wide Tread redlines. It's admittedly wearing Firestone repops now, but that's because AFAIK they don't make a Goodyear repop and I'm not tooling anywhere other than on/off the trailer on 46 year old tires (tyres, for 500Jon's benefit :P ).
Sorry Geno,
With reference to the redline Firestone tire issue (or "tyre" for 500jon :D....hee hee) I musta' thought I learned that information from you, or at least from your restoration thread :scratchchin:. Anyway, the red-line Daytona spare in the trunk probably rang a bell for me. :icon_smile_wink: I'd be willing to bet it Firestone's were used, it was something as simple as a supply issue without any particular rhyme or reason.
Coker Tire makes reproduction Firestones
Kelsey Tire makes reproduction Goodyears
All available 1969 Charger 500-Daytona-R/T tires (sort-of) are available in reproduction:
T82 white F70-14 nylon cord (Goodyear SPEEDWAY, Firestone WIDE OVAL*)
T83 red F70-14 nylon cord (Goodyear SPEEDWAY, Firestone WIDE OVAL*)
T85 red F70-14 fiberglass belted (Goodyear POLYGLAS)
U64 white F70-15 fiberglass belted (Goodyear POLYGLAS)
U65 red F70-15 fiberglass belted (Goodyear POLYGLAS)
* Firestone did not change the "WIDE OVAL" name when the design changed from nylon cord to fiberglass belted, what they did change was the "sub-title" on the tire's sidewall.
The nylon cord tires were "Deluxe Champion" & the fiberglass belted were "SUP-R-BELT" (the F70-14 Coker reproductions are 1970s "SUP-R-BELT")
& Goodyear's sidewall had the SPEEDWAY "Wide Tread" & POLYGLAS "Custom Wide Tread" text.
Quote from: Redbird on January 12, 2015, 10:32:23 AM
When Otis Chandler had the Daytona, he had a giant poster of the Daytona displayed behind the actual car. He had a similar poster display behind his green Packard 12-cylinder boattail speedster. Did he have a commercial artist make up those posters? I suppose they could have been paintings? Likely blow-ups of drawn art though, not that Otis Chandler couldn't have whatever he wanted made up. What happened to the posters?
Otis Chandler talked about the murals on a two part episode of the PBS show
World of Collector Cars on PBS...
Quote from: hemigeno on January 13, 2015, 11:00:58 AM
I had to look it up...
Thanks for the explanation. I was puzzled too.
TPR
Quote from: Daytona Enthusiast on January 13, 2015, 10:45:07 PM
Quote from: Redbird on January 12, 2015, 10:32:23 AM
When Otis Chandler had the Daytona, he had a giant poster of the Daytona displayed behind the actual car. He had a similar poster display behind his green Packard 12-cylinder boattail speedster. Did he have a commercial artist make up those posters? I suppose they could have been paintings? Likely blow-ups of drawn art though, not that Otis Chandler couldn't have whatever he wanted made up. What happened to the posters?
Otis Chandler talked about the murals on a two part episode of the PBS show
World of Collector Cars on PBS...
Pretty sure it was made of fabric or tapestry. I seem to remember seeing it when the car was at Tim's house.
Quote from: Aero426 on January 14, 2015, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: Daytona Enthusiast on January 13, 2015, 10:45:07 PM
Quote from: Redbird on January 12, 2015, 10:32:23 AM
When Otis Chandler had the Daytona, he had a giant poster of the Daytona displayed behind the actual car. He had a similar poster display behind his green Packard 12-cylinder boattail speedster. Did he have a commercial artist make up those posters? I suppose they could have been paintings? Likely blow-ups of drawn art though, not that Otis Chandler couldn't have whatever he wanted made up. What happened to the posters?
Otis Chandler talked about the murals on a two part episode of the PBS show
World of Collector Cars on PBS...
Pretty sure it was made of fabric or tapestry. I seem to remember seeing it when the car was at Tim's house.
The man of the hour...the Daytona came to the show in an enclosed trailer. Otis
came in his Hemi convertible.
Quote from: Aero426 on January 14, 2015, 09:47:08 AM
Pretty sure it was made of fabric or tapestry. I seem to remember seeing it when the car was at Tim's house.
yes, it was a tapestry...got some pretty good video of it when it was at 'Dega in 99
Quote from: stripedelete on January 10, 2015, 08:43:58 PM
I have the original redline spare in my charger. It's a Firestone.
Yep Redlines are what my 500 ( 14 in.) had on it till about 10 K or so. I even had one of the original tires till I moved and did a major clean out. :slap:
Are the repo Goodyears the OEM tread width or the one you'd buy at the dealership, after the fact ? A good 1/2" difference!!
Quote from: odcics2 on January 18, 2015, 02:35:15 PM
Are the repo Goodyears the OEM tread width or the one you'd buy at the dealership, after the fact ? A good 1/2" difference!!
c'mon man :cheers: get it off your chest, what do you really want to say or ask? & You'll probably have to ask about a specific size tire and application .....
AFAIK all tires are not created equal & the specs for measuring them is not an industry STANDARD, that being said .....
mid-'60s Corvette 7.75 x 15 tires are different dimensionally than the same tire on a full size station wagon & Goodyear may or may not have supported that fact thru their franchised Goodyear Tire dealer stores.
Quote from: Daytona Enthusiast on January 14, 2015, 11:10:26 PM
The man of the hour...the Daytona came to the show in an enclosed trailer. Otis
came in his Hemi convertible.
I seem to remember this convert for sale in the san Fernando valley back in 86 or thereabouts for $13.500.00 and people were saying that was too much, boy I remember a hemi ragtop 69 gtx for 5 grand with a 383 in it and a hemi 69 green on green runner for 5 grand and a black on black 69 hemi runner for 5k. lime green superbird for 3k etc etc . that was a good time to buy.
Quote from: superbirdtom on January 18, 2015, 03:13:08 PM
Quote from: Daytona Enthusiast on January 14, 2015, 11:10:26 PM
The man of the hour...the Daytona came to the show in an enclosed trailer. Otis
came in his Hemi convertible.
I seem to remember this convert for sale in the san Fernando valley back in 86 or thereabouts for $13.500.00 and people were saying that was too much, boy I remember a hemi ragtop 69 gtx for 5 grand with a 383 in it and a hemi 69 green on green runner for 5 grand and a black on black 69 hemi runner for 5k. lime green superbird for 3k etc etc . that was a good time to buy.
Otis's Hemi came straight from Canada along with his Plum Crazy 70 Hemi Challenger
convertible and Greg's Pink 70 Hemi Cuda. I hear ya Tom ,there's a lot of
super cool cars that are way way off the radar...
Quote from: Daytona Enthusiast on January 18, 2015, 11:58:05 PM
Quote from: superbirdtom on January 18, 2015, 03:13:08 PM
Quote from: Daytona Enthusiast on January 14, 2015, 11:10:26 PM
The man of the hour...the Daytona came to the show in an enclosed trailer. Otis
came in his Hemi convertible.
I seem to remember this convert for sale in the san Fernando valley back in 86 or thereabouts for $13.500.00 and people were saying that was too much, boy I remember a hemi ragtop 69 gtx for 5 grand with a 383 in it and a hemi 69 green on green runner for 5 grand and a black on black 69 hemi runner for 5k. lime green superbird for 3k etc etc . that was a good time to buy.
Otis's Hemi came straight from Canada along with his Plum Crazy 70 Hemi Challenger
convertible and Greg's Pink 70 Hemi Cuda. I hear ya Tom ,there's a lot of
super cool cars that are way way off the radar...
I stand corrected it was a 69 hemi coronet r/t hemi convert that was for sale in the s.f valley in woodland ca for $13.500.00. don't know who has it now but it was bronze with brown interior. just a great time for buying mopars for cheap prices.
This guy's cars are getting ready to cross the block.
Watching on NBC Sports :cheers:
Quote from: JB400 on January 23, 2015, 02:20:47 PM
This guy's cars are getting ready to cross the block.
Watching on NBC Sports :cheers:
:2thumbs: :yesnod:
http://www.mecum.com/live.cfm think its lot F180 , the wellborn Daytona , I await to be corrected :shruggy: :cheers:
First Daytona (Brown one) $900,000
Man nearly a mil :2thumbs:
Congrats to Tim and the aero crowd.
The other Daytona sold for $280,000 (orange one)
Quote from: moparnation74 on January 23, 2015, 04:08:27 PM
Man nearly a mil :2thumbs:
Congrats to Tim and the aero crowd.
With the money left over, the new owner can buy himself a real Daytona hood for it! :2thumbs:
wonder if it will ever see the light of day or ever be seen again?
Quote from: JB400 on January 23, 2015, 04:53:22 PM
The other Daytona sold for $280,000 (orange one)
:yesnod: :2thumbs:
the C500 also :yesnod:
I am surprised the white 500 didn't get to 200K.
Once again, thanks for all you do Tan Top! :2thumbs:
Yeah I thought the brown Daytona would crack the million mark and I thought the white 500 would bring more too. Still strong.
Quote from: Ghoste on January 23, 2015, 08:10:54 PM
Yeah I thought the brown Daytona would crack the million mark and I thought the white 500 would bring more too. Still strong.
I thought the 500 suffered a bit from "the money in the room".....and was worth a more if you ask me. Maybe some of the superstar bidders had their eyes on other stuff? :Twocents: :Twocents:
The Orange Daytona sold pretty good seeing it had a lot of repro sheetmetal on it, the "Gibson" restoration probably helped push the price up, the late Jack McGaughey provided the repro steel nosecone and repro rear window plug, I provided the repro steel Z bars, IIRC Gene Gregory supplied the light buckets/pivots, the car was a real rot bucket, it's claim to being 1 of 1, maybe 2 painted in Competition Orange/Omaha Orange was it's saving grace
Mike
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 23, 2015, 09:14:07 PM
The Orange Daytona sold pretty good seeing it had a lot of repro sheetmetal on it, the "Gibson" restoration probably helped push the price up, the late Jack McGaughey provided the repro steel nosecone and repro rear window plug, I provided the repro steel Z bars, IIRC Gene Gregory supplied the light buckets/pivots, the car was a real rot bucket, it's claim to being 1 of 1, maybe 2 painted in Competition Orange/Omaha Orange was it's saving grace
Mike
The orange Daytona was a concourse quality restoration on an already rare Daytona in a special order color. It was obviously restored to a very high level and considered by experts to be exceptional car with a broadcast sheet, owned by the second owner since 1973, and all numbers matching. There's really no reason to dog this car. :-\ It brought the money it deserved.
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 23, 2015, 09:07:22 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on January 23, 2015, 08:10:54 PM
Yeah I thought the brown Daytona would crack the million mark and I thought the white 500 would bring more too. Still strong.
I thought the 500 suffered a bit from "the money in the room".....and was worth a more if you ask me. Maybe some of the superstar bidders had their eyes on other stuff? :Twocents: :Twocents:
yea...I was surprised at how low the white 500 went for
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 23, 2015, 09:23:01 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 23, 2015, 09:14:07 PM
The Orange Daytona sold pretty good seeing it had a lot of repro sheetmetal on it, the "Gibson" restoration probably helped push the price up, the late Jack McGaughey provided the repro steel nosecone and repro rear window plug, I provided the repro steel Z bars, IIRC Gene Gregory supplied the light buckets/pivots, the car was a real rot bucket, it's claim to being 1 of 1, maybe 2 painted in Competition Orange/Omaha Orange was it's saving grace
Mike
The orange Daytona was a concourse quality restoration on an already rare Daytona in a special order color. It was obviously restored to a very high level and considered by experts to be exceptional car with a broadcast sheet, owned by the second owner since 1973, and all numbers matching. There's really no reason to dog this car. :-\ It brought the money it deserved.
How is he dogging the car...more of just saying like it is I thought. It is what it is.
Tan Top thanks for always posting the pics and results. I appreciate the trouble you go through. We have an opening on the A12 Registry for you!
Dave
Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on January 23, 2015, 09:43:03 PM
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 23, 2015, 09:23:01 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 23, 2015, 09:14:07 PM
The Orange Daytona sold pretty good seeing it had a lot of repro sheetmetal on it, the "Gibson" restoration probably helped push the price up, the late Jack McGaughey provided the repro steel nosecone and repro rear window plug, I provided the repro steel Z bars, IIRC Gene Gregory supplied the light buckets/pivots, the car was a real rot bucket, it's claim to being 1 of 1, maybe 2 painted in Competition Orange/Omaha Orange was it's saving grace
Mike
The orange Daytona was a concourse quality restoration on an already rare Daytona in a special order color. It was obviously restored to a very high level and considered by experts to be exceptional car with a broadcast sheet, owned by the second owner since 1973, and all numbers matching. There's really no reason to dog this car. :-\ It brought the money it deserved.
How is he dogging the car...more of just saying like it is I thought. It is what it is.
Dave
How many restored 1 of 2 special order Daytona's (or any other specialty vehicle) actually have their original born with oem parts these days - especially the nose cone?
This was a rare numbers matching Daytona with its original born with documentation and paperwork...... and one expertly restored to high standard.
If DayClona has a bitch with the build quality then so be it. The buyers didn't see it that way. :Twocents: :Twocents:
Many COPO Camaro's, LS6 Chevelle's, W-31 Old's, and Shelby Mustangs have been restored the same way also nearly reaching the $300K mark. Why is this rare documented Daytona any different?
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 23, 2015, 10:01:41 PM
Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on January 23, 2015, 09:43:03 PM
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 23, 2015, 09:23:01 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 23, 2015, 09:14:07 PM
The Orange Daytona sold pretty good seeing it had a lot of repro sheetmetal on it, the "Gibson" restoration probably helped push the price up, the late Jack McGaughey provided the repro steel nosecone and repro rear window plug, I provided the repro steel Z bars, IIRC Gene Gregory supplied the light buckets/pivots, the car was a real rot bucket, it's claim to being 1 of 1, maybe 2 painted in Competition Orange/Omaha Orange was it's saving grace
Mike
The orange Daytona was a concourse quality restoration on an already rare Daytona in a special order color. It was obviously restored to a very high level and considered by experts to be exceptional car with a broadcast sheet, owned by the second owner since 1973, and all numbers matching. There's really no reason to dog this car. :-\ It brought the money it deserved.
How is he dogging the car...more of just saying like it is I thought. It is what it is.
Dave
How many restored Daytona's these days have their original born with oem parts....especially nose cone? This is an exceptional car restored to a very high standard. If Dayclona has a bitch with the quality then so be it....obviously the buyers didn't see it that way. :whistling:
Whoa, who's hittin the catnip! I didn't dis this car other than to note that it was restored with the majority of it's Aero components replaced, where as some might assume it's all "original" seeing the collection it came from, so time for a "catnap" their Buddy :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 23, 2015, 10:17:43 PM
Whoa, who's hittin the catnip! I didn't dis this car other than to note that it was restored with the majority of it's Aero components replaced, where as some might assume it's all "original" seeing the collection it came from, so time for a "catnap" their Buddy :icon_smile_big:
No catnip here and no offense... I thought the car was worth the money being a 1 of 2 special order color Daytona with documentation.
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 23, 2015, 10:21:09 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on January 23, 2015, 10:17:43 PM
Whoa, who's hittin the catnip! I didn't dis this car other than to note that it was restored with the majority of it's Aero components replaced, where as some might assume it's all "original" seeing the collection it came from, so time for a "catnap" their Buddy :icon_smile_big:
No catnip here and no offense... I thought the car was worth the money being a 1 of 2 special order color Daytona with documentation.
No offense taken, just merely implying that the replacement parts didn't seem to affect it's value, seeing that this Tona" is just a no frills "base" model, the color being it's key attraction... as some like to gauge the value of the market based on what they see cross the auction block, often times not knowing the vehicles reconstruction history, had this car been any other color, and not carrying a "Gibson" restoration, and no notoriety from being part of a "collection" , but wearing the same amount of repro parts, and a quality restoration, it probably wouldn't have garnered no more than $140-$150K at auction IMHO
Mike
Well heck, wonder what my Daytona is worth now with the 426 Hemi in it?
It isn't a Roger Gibson nor GYC restoration, it's a Troy Hawkes Creation. :icon_smile_big:
But, it DOES have it's original sheetmetal....... double :icon_smile_big:
Man, I had fun watching the auction... Quite the collection of pedigrees Tim USED to own...... Man, the next Aero Warriors Meet will have some more room in the Wellborn Museum for us..
I wonder what Tim will buy now?
Probably nothing since he has health issues . Anyone know what this car sold for in the past ?
Quote from: daytonalo on January 24, 2015, 08:57:02 AM
Probably nothing since he has health issues . Anyone know what this car sold for in the past ?
He bought another B5 '71 Hemi Charger a few weeks ago.
I think he will be buying. Maybe a more diverse collection. Maybe some more of the early max wedge cars? Early Hemi cars? Who knows.
Yes, I thought the herd thinning was to obtain some other things for the museum. :shruggy:
Quote from: 69_500 on January 24, 2015, 11:47:18 AM
I think he will be buying. Maybe a more diverse collection. Maybe some more of the early max wedge cars? Early Hemi cars? Who knows.
I don't know about what motivated the sale but I do know taste in things can change over time, its just evolution at work. :popcrn:
I think coming from the W museum, the Gibson restoration, and the color affected the price.
I liked Jack McGaughey, I met him, and he did some work for me.
I do not believe he ever got making the sides of cones exact. I believe from what he told me that he used 2 piece sides to adjust the size.
If this car did not come from the W museum, I would see it selling for considerably less.
Good for Tim for getting the price he did.
Troy, I think you should be thrilled your car wasn't GYC restored. :stirthepot:
I was thinking about Tim yesterday and wondered if he was going to start collecting some more exotic cars?
the moon buggy with a hemi !!!!! that's exotic.
Long trip to go get it though.
Quote from: Ghoste on January 25, 2015, 06:38:25 AM
Long trip to go get it though.
That's only IF it's actually on the moon. :lol:
Quote from: Redbird on January 24, 2015, 01:45:03 PM
If this car did not come from the W museum, I would see it selling for considerably less.
I think who was selling had more to do with price than anything.
I personally would never had guessed this car to darn near break 7 figures
OH YES... he is definitely buying.... you should see the list he has of stuff he wants. It's nuts.
, thanks TC & Dave (sixpack registry ), :2thumbs: :cheers: :cheers: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Aero426 on January 23, 2015, 06:40:04 PM
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on January 23, 2015, 06:36:11 PM
I am surprised the white 500 didn't get to 200K.
Agree.
yes I thought it was odd , seemed a low price for a HEMI C500 , don't mean any offence to the ford / mercury Fans if your watching :cheers:
two cars after the C500 on Friday was $195,000 for a 302 cougar :o :shruggy:
They only made a couple Boss 302 cougars. Pretty Rare.
A few more than a couple I think, weren't there like 200 in 69 and almost 500 of them in 70? Still crazy rare though.
I think they only made a small handful (2 maybe?) of Boss 429 Cougars......Those are Uber rare
The $900.000 Hemi Daytona.Was $4000.00 in 1974 PA newspaper
http://s37.photobucket.com/user/75414/media/well_zps9b565d9c.jpg.html
I think Kevin Greene (the Sack Machine) sold it to Tim for 7 and change during the peak. Kevin used to park it at Walmart and it would get dinged up.....Roger had to fix it a couple of times and told Kevin to stop parking it at malls....Lol
Did someone say park at the mall? :smilielol:
Haha!
Nice car..... ;)
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 26, 2015, 01:01:09 PM
Haha!
Nice car..... ;)
You know it.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
You'd always be able to find that car.......... :2thumbs:
Quote from: Ghoste on January 26, 2015, 09:23:14 AM
A few more than a couple I think, weren't there like 200 in 69 and almost 500 of them in 70? Still crazy rare though.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 26, 2015, 10:04:17 AM
I think they only made a small handful (2 maybe?) of Boss 429 Cougars......Those are Uber rare
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on January 25, 2015, 10:35:01 PM
They only made a couple Boss 302 cougars. Pretty Rare.
oh right I see , thanks for the info :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Quit parking it at malls. :lol: :lol:
Love the mud flaps :2thumbs:
TMZ is reporting that David Spade was the buyer of the Wellborn car. Reading the comments at the bottom of the article are entertaining.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/01/27/david-spade-joe-dirt-car-photos-1969-dodge-daytona/ (http://www.tmz.com/2015/01/27/david-spade-joe-dirt-car-photos-1969-dodge-daytona/)
Read the comments section...funny stuff in there!
Dave
Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on January 27, 2015, 10:03:43 AM
Read the comments section...funny stuff in there!
Dave
I can see it now, cloning out the Daytona to look like the Joe-Dirt car... Man, a Joe-Dirt HEMI 4speed Daytona !!!! :icon_smile_big:
Give the guy some credit, he scored this for a while too...........
(https://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/132/MPW-66283)
The comments, wow!
Tough crowd!
I hope to see David hanging out with Jay Leno and cruising the California highways, each in their badass Mopars ( Dave in the Daytona ) :2thumbs:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on January 27, 2015, 01:05:13 PM
Give the guy some credit, he scored this for a while too...........
(https://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/132/MPW-66283)
Who hasn't? :nana:
Quote from: Aero426 on January 26, 2015, 12:43:49 PM
Did someone say park at the mall? :smilielol:
I think the only picture I have of the cars in front of stores like that is the one when I was 14 and the car overheated on the way to Grand Rapids...
It's not like they haven't been to any and every kind of store in the US.
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 27, 2015, 04:09:19 PM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on January 27, 2015, 01:05:13 PM
Give the guy some credit, he scored this for a while too...........
(https://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/132/MPW-66283)
Who hasn't? :nana:
You ? :nana: :smilielol:
BaaaZingggggggg!!!
:smilielol:
Quote from: moparnation74 on January 27, 2015, 08:48:05 AM
Love the mud flaps :2thumbs:
Quote from: odcics2 on January 28, 2015, 05:32:15 PM
You ? :nana: :smilielol:
Hell, I threw her outta the bed for eatin' crackers and.....and she still came back. :D even with the mud flaps. :smilielol:
wonder how many mopars he has? he's had a lot of mopars in his movies over the years.
I saw this link on my local radio station web site :)
http://www.thewolf.ca/#2015/01/31/david-spades-new-classic-ride/
Now needless to say, Spade's new ride is in considerably better condition – It better be, with a $900K price tag! From Fox News:
TMZ has outed actor David Spade as the winning bidder for a perfectly restored 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona at a recent Mecum Auction event.
It was the highest price ever paid for the model at auction, and a very rare version. Of the 503 Daytona's built in 1969, it's one of just 20 that feature a 426/425 HEMI V8 and 4-speed manual transmission combo.
The wild-looking Daytona, with its aerodynamic nose cone and gigantic rear wing, was built as a homologation special for NASCAR, which eventually banned it. It was the first car in the series to break the 200 mph barrier, but wasn't as successful in showrooms.
Spade's character drove a phony Daytona beater in the 2001 comedy film "Joe Dirt" that was the complete opposite of this Copper Metallic masterpiece, which has just 6,435 miles on its original engine and may be the best example of its kind in the world. The movie car last sold in 2002 for a reported $18,000 bucks.
Spade told US Weekly "I don't even know if I will drive this car around. It's too nice for me. I'm just going to wake up every morning and spray it with Armor All. Or I'll just drive it to the Beverly Center and stand on the hood."
As if this car wasn't already sexy enough – it's got a HEMI (Well, duh) AND a 4-on-the-floor!
Here's some more photos from AutoFocus:
any one who did not see the auction , here it is on youtube :yesnod:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCf7s3kH-Pw
Quote from: odcics2 on January 28, 2015, 05:32:15 PM
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 27, 2015, 04:09:19 PM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on January 27, 2015, 01:05:13 PM
Give the guy some credit, he scored this for a while too...........
(https://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/132/MPW-66283)
Who hasn't? :nana:
You ? :nana: :smilielol:
In his dreams and with his left hand.
Dude. I hit that....and it was spectacular! :coolgleamA:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on February 04, 2015, 04:41:02 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on January 28, 2015, 05:32:15 PM
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 27, 2015, 04:09:19 PM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on January 27, 2015, 01:05:13 PM
Give the guy some credit, he scored this for a while too...........
(https://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/132/MPW-66283)
Who hasn't? :nana:
You ? :nana: :smilielol:
In his dreams and with his left hand.
What's her name?
Of the 20 hemi daytonas built how many are still out there ? Other than this one and the f8 car that has been for sale for awhile i never recall even seeing pictures of others.
Hey David Spade I have an NOS Daytona grille if you need a backup !!
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on February 05, 2015, 02:37:10 PM
Of the 20 hemi daytonas built how many are still out there ? Other than this one and the f8 car that has been for sale for awhile i never recall even seeing pictures of others.
I know of an orange one in NJ.
There was a green one at the Chicago show
.there is a black one here in Ky
She was sweet 25 years ago !! Now washed up
I dunno, she aged better than a lot of her contemporaries. :shruggy:
She just has a better surgeon than the rest .
Photo posted is quite old. Graded on the curve, I am sure most of us would still hit the current edition.
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on February 05, 2015, 02:37:10 PM
Of the 20 hemi daytonas built how many are still out there ?
OK the number I always heard back in the day was around 70 Hemi Daytonas were built. Of that number only 30 some were ever accounted for. What is known today as to how many were built and how many still exist?
The number 70 from back in the day i believe was based on an expected percentage of the total to be Hemi powered.
You are correct in that when the shipping list surfaced there were only 36 Hemi VIN's on it and a couple of corrections may bring that number to 38 or so.
Here is where things get interesting, every single Hemi daytona in existence can be accounted for in the 36 VIN's.
So if there were indeed 70 built, it is truly amazing that EVERY single one of those VIN's (except for a couple) that fall outside the 36 on the list have disappeared.
Area 51?
Hmmmmmm.
Quote from: FJMG on February 06, 2015, 09:23:29 AM
The number 70 from back in the day i believe was based on an expected percentage of the total to be Hemi powered.
You are correct in that when the shipping list surfaced there were only 36 Hemi VIN's on it and a couple of corrections may bring that number to 38 or so.
Here is where things get interesting, every single Hemi daytona in existence can be accounted for in the 36 VIN's.
So if there were indeed 70 built, it is truly amazing that EVERY single one of those VIN's (except for a couple) that fall outside the 36 on the list have disappeared.
Area 51?
Hmmmmmm.
Cool facts. Are all 36 still alive ?
No, big willies for instance and of course a couple others that are accounted for but destroyed.
However, most are still around restored or not.
An incredibly high survivor rate actually.
I should be clear in that it is MY opinion that the '70' is an estimate from back in the day as I have not seen any documents to back this number up.
The only documents that indicate engine breakdown is the shipping list and that is what I base my opinion on.
I won't swear to the 70 figure listed in Galen's little white books, but in my informal/unofficial spreadsheet there are 37 hemis noted (VIN or Fender Tag information/reference), with 2 more which are likely hemis but unverified beyond anecdotal supporting evidence.
I find it a little hard to believe that absolutely every one of the Shipping List hemi's (plus a couple corrections, as Robert noted) is a known car, but... :shruggy:
We know they made at least 2 or 3 mistakes in listing the engine on the VIN, and 2 or 3 duplications of VINs on the Shipping List. Could they have made +/- 30 VIN mistakes ("L" vs. "J")? Possible, but it is perhaps just as likely that the mysterious document(s) from which Galen pulled his information had errors too.
One of these days (maybe if/when I retire in 20 err, 30 years), I can have the time to parse every entry in both the Shipping and Dealer Invoice lists the way I'd like to do. :brickwall:
Back in the late 70s, the article on Wing Cars in Special Interest Autos mentioned the "70" number.
It also mentioned it was made up and based on what were known cars at the time vs the "500 built" number.
So, no actual science was involved, just guessing! If one would find that article, we could even see WHO made up that number!
The COMPLETE Daytona shipping list would be the most accurate list of vins around. And that has some errors.
In my collection of actual newspaper ads found a handull of hemis .And a lot of 440s
Quote from: FJMG on February 06, 2015, 09:35:55 AM
An incredibly high survivor rate actually.
That's not to hard to believe to me at least. Everybody knew wing cars were special. A normal B Body original Hemi car could be found at a bargain price for the time period sometimes but a wing car usually could not. Everybody knew wing cars were somewhat special and average prices reflected it even back then. Combine the Daytona with the Hemi and it became extra special. I guess in retrospect with the low number known to exist now I feel a little better about never coming across one that could be bought. :icon_smile_blackeye:
Quote from: Davtona on February 06, 2015, 08:51:00 PM
Quote from: FJMG on February 06, 2015, 09:35:55 AM
An incredibly high survivor rate actually.
That's not to hard to believe to me at least. Everybody knew wing cars were special. A normal B Body original Hemi car could be found at a bargain price for the time period sometimes but a wing car usually could not. Everybody knew wing cars were somewhat special and average prices reflected it even back then. Combine the Daytona with the Hemi and it became extra special. I guess in retrospect with the low number known to exist now I feel a little better about never coming across one that could be bought. :icon_smile_blackeye:
I would agree. Just look at some of the scraps of Daytonas that were saved from the wrecking yard for decades in the " It used to be a 69 daytona" thread. A Hemi car without the engine was just an old body with an interesting past that would be scraped no differently than a 383 car.
Maybe David Spade will bring it to one of the "flings" and i can see it in person.